Driveways and foundations, same sealer?

[Dynamic]

I am just getting into driveway sealing as an addon to my lawn maintainence business and I have already been approached about doing basements for new houses. Do they use the same sealer?

[Loooogie]

I have heard that they are the same. I am pretty sure that they are. Protect sells sealer, give them a quick call. They also sell heated tanks so you can spray foundations in the winter.

[Dynamic]

I just called protect and they did confirm that you can spray foundations with the same sealer. Thanks. Do you deal with protect?

[Loooogie]

I bought a couple of wands and tips from them, they seem to be ok.

As for the sealer I buy pure BlackMac from TJ pounder, that is ready to spray. It am very very happy with the sealer so for.

Protect adds stuff to their BlackMac, what they sell is called cut-back.

I think the guy from Protect post on this fourm. Anyway I asked why do they add things to thier Blackmac but he never replied to me yet.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=240310

I am new to this sealing as well so I would really like to know the differance.

Also before you buy a system check out marathon equipment I have heard great things about their systems.

[EpicPaul]

yeah I own a marathon system, 210gal tank, the big albany pump and 2 wands, 2 hoses and 2 reels and I would never buy anything else its built to last.

[Pro-Tect]

We add nothing to our product! It is the exact same as TJ Pounder. We buy 40,000 liters at a time and add nothing. It is pure Blackmac exactly the same as TJ Pounders. Your ill informed on this and spreading bad information.

As far as spraying foundations... yes it is to code you can spray foundations with it. We have a number of customers that only do foundations with it.

Cut back is just another name for the oil based sealer.... cut back is actually just refering to it being a derrivitive of actual ashpalt. We buy off of the exact same manufacturer as TJ Pounder.

[Loooogie]

You told me:


"As far as the sealer Pro-Tect sells is Blackmac and is cut with NAPTHA"


I guess I miss understood what you said.

If you could clear things up that would be great. Do you ask your supplier to add NAPTHA to BlackMac? Why is NAPTHA added?

Maybe to you my question is stupid and not worth answering? I would still like an informative response from a informed person.

I am just asking as a potential customer, if you don't want to clear things up for ME, then that is fine.

[Loooogie]

I was going to buy a marathon spray system to but I figured I could build my own.

[Pro-Tect]

Blackmac is cut with NAPTHA... but that is how it is made at the plant. The other oil based sealer is cut with minireal spirits when it is made. I am sorry for the missunderstanding but I don't want people thinking we cut our product with anything. And I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Depending on what your building you probably could build your own system but it would probably in the end be cheaper to buy a proven system. Again it is up to you but feel free to ask any questions.

[Pro-Tect]

We have been manufacturing systems for over 25 years so feel free to ask any questions you may have.

[GRW]

We have been manufacturing systems for over 25 years so feel free to ask any questions you may have.

I have a Protect unit and like it alot.

My question is with a 5.5 Honda and an Albany pump spraying Blackmac what pressure (psi) should I be running at the wand? I currently don't have a gauge but am thinking about putting one in.

[Pro-Tect]

The pressure at the tip is probably around 300 to 350 psi. And there really is no need for a pressure guage on one of these units. You just set the pressure so that there is a nice even spray the the wand does not lift to much when you hit the trigger.

[Loooogie]

Thank you for the information, I am sorry for any missunderstanding. It is good thing you cleared that up because I had the wrong idea. So I should be able to switch to the sealer at your lakeshore location with no problem, that is good to know, thanks again.

[Pro-Tect]

It is the exact same stuff. And they are cheaper than anyone except the Cobourg location.

[Loooogie]

I have a Protect unit and like it alot.

My question is with a 5.5 Honda and an Albany pump spraying Blackmac what pressure (psi) should I be running at the wand? I currently don't have a gauge but am thinking about putting one in.


I have a pressure gauge on my system and I use around 300 psi. It also depends on the weather and time of day.

To be honest I don't use the gauge that much I look pay more attention to how my system is spraying.

[blacktop]

I have a Protect unit and like it alot.

My question is with a 5.5 Honda and an Albany pump spraying Blackmac what pressure (psi) should I be running at the wand? I currently don't have a gauge but am thinking about putting one in.

Run at a pressure that gives you a good spray. I have a pressure gauge on mine and I run at 50 to 100psi

[RALENT]

Blackmac and foundation coating are not the same. Foundation coating or dampproofing is usually a blended asphalt product which contains rc30 Based asphalt and Blackmac. The penatration of this product is slightly less than pure Blackmac.

[RALENT]

Most sealing units have presure gauge connected at the out let side of the pump. For the optimal spraying of Blackmac the pressure should be 400 to 450 psi and the tip size in hot weather should be no bigger than an 8002 tjet tip.

[Pro-Tect]

your right there is a difference but the difference is extremely minute. I have customers that use the blackmac for driveways and basements. I have never said you can or can't use blackmac for foundations I just know that some people do it.

[JFGauvreau]

your right there is a difference but the difference is extremely minute. I have customers that use the blackmac for driveways and basements. I have never said you can or can't use blackmac for foundations I just know that some people do it.

How are you supposed to know the psi for the blackmac unit? When its only a little lever that you twist up or down. Do you think adding a real psi gauge to the unit will work? Or will black mac clog it up so it wont work? Also could you add a Fill Rite liter gauge to the unit, so I can calculate the exact amount of liters/gallons I'm putting down?

[Pro-Tect]

i have seen a few people put psi guages on the units but I have never used them. The honest truth to it is that the best way is when you spray the gun it has a nice full fan with out too much kick up when you pull the trigger. For me when I set them up and test them and fix them its usually about feel.

[JFGauvreau]

Ya I know what you mean, but I was trying to be more specific, since I need to know the exact psi and liters/gallons per min I'm pumping for my other gauges to work.

[Pro-Tect]

Well I have seen pressure guages on a couple of customers units... I myself have never used one and I personally don't believe you need one. The best way to set a system up is to add pressure until you have an nice full fan and your wand does not kick up hard wehn you pull the trigger.

As for meters for the units i have seen one once on a unit from bellvile and they said it worked ok. Meters are a tough think because they are never exact and I don't have a source for them.

[JFGauvreau]

Ya I'll have to figured it out this winter. Might be planning on switching unit also, heard rumors about black mac being illegal soon.

[Pro-Tect]

Yeah that is just a rumor... one that has been going on for at least 8-10 years. I can tell you I know I will be selling black mac for a long time to come and there has been absolutly no notification that there is any plans on banning it. Believe me I work very closley with a lot of people that are in the know and I understand where some of the rumors came from and I know that they are just rumors.

[RALENT]

Blackmac will be around as long as it remains economically fesable for the manufacturer. also the numbers of sealers has been falling off in recent years due to the insane prices I know i have sold Blackmac for forty years.

[Pro-Tect]

we havn't found any drop in the sealer sales out here... I think we have actually increased our sales.

[RALENT]

THE quantity of sealer i am selling is the same as usual. The number of sealers seems to be declining. this means that the guys that are left are able to get very good prices for the work they get. I here every day that it is getting harder to sell the jobs!!

[Pro-Tect]

oh I see what your saying... yeah come to think about it your right its the same people coming in and not as many new faces.

[RALENT]

The rumours about the banning of Blackmac are not totally inacurate read the product list contained in the Ontario toxic control act. You will find naptha is listed as one of the substances we have to monitor and reduce the use of!!!

[Pro-Tect]

That maybe true, but as far as oil based sealer its self, it can be cut with miniral spirits instead of naptha which lowers the flash point and I believe dodges that issue, not to mention it can be sprayed out of the same equipment. My personal opinion is the product that is cut with Naptha is still the best anyways. Even at that they would still have to give a phase out period which would include a date that they would have to stop producing and then a date to which they would have to stop selling/using the product. So its still a ways off and no need for people to panic.