PDA

View Full Version : What is it worth?


Waterit
08-09-2008, 10:27 AM
Here's the numbers on the cemetery repair:

112.5 total man hours
$1600 in materials

What would YOU charge?

Kiril
08-09-2008, 10:28 AM
A cool mil. If that don't wash maybe 10-15K depending on how much time was "wasted".

DanaMac
08-09-2008, 10:28 AM
Here's the numbers on the cemetery repair:

112.5 total man hours
$1600 in materials

What would YOU charge?

$1600 your cost or list? I'm assuming your cost.

And what did you tell them you charge? did you tell them your regular rates or a discount?

Waterit
08-09-2008, 10:37 AM
$1600 your cost or list? I'm assuming your cost.

And what did you tell them you charge? did you tell them your regular rates or a discount?

1600 is cost

65 per man-hour plus materials, thinking about discount because they are a good customer, on the other hand we went thru he!! on this one. There wasn't much wasted time, and no travel time included. Doesn't include any extra for 521 or pulser, nor time spent offsite discussing problems with vendor, Hunter techline, or here.

DanaMac
08-09-2008, 10:43 AM
$7312.5 plus appx. $3200 for materials - give or take a few hundred on materials

Good job landing that one. Good chunk of coin.

I forget, was this lightning related or previous contractor incompetence?

CAPT Stream Rotar
08-09-2008, 10:53 AM
400% markup on parts.

and straight time for labor...round it off to 100 man hours if you feel generous or you think they will complain...

Waterit
08-09-2008, 10:53 AM
$7312.5 plus appx. $3200 for materials - give or take a few hundred on materials

Good job landing that one. Good chunk of coin.

I forget, was this lightning related or previous contractor incompetence?

Your numbers are right where I'm at, with a little off on materials. Total invoice = $10, 143.50.

Real nice chunk of coin, especially as slow as new installs are right now. I usually do 2/week, been averaging 5 per month.

This was both lightning and previous incompetence.

FIMCO-MEISTER
08-09-2008, 10:58 AM
Well I'd break down the man hours between LI hours and lower cost laborer hours. If it was all LI hours the labor charge alone from me would be over 10,000.

Wet_Boots
08-09-2008, 11:07 AM
Don't forget our consulting fee....

Waterit
08-09-2008, 11:27 AM
Don't forget our consulting fee....

The check is in the mail

Waterit
08-09-2008, 11:32 AM
Well I'd break down the man hours between LI hours and lower cost laborer hours. If it was all LI hours the labor charge alone from me would be over 10,000.

2 LI guys. Clifford, my helper, would also be LI if not for young-age felony for alcohol-induced destruction of governement property. I'll stick at 65 per and waive my usual 1st-hour-including-travel-time 75(:laugh:).

WalkGood
08-09-2008, 12:23 PM
You could show on the bill the "full amount" based on all the hours (break out by task if you wish, even on the phone hours w/vendors) and all the materials.

Then show some kind "big project discount", subtracting a percentage you can live with. Shows the client you aren't trying to ravage them. Leaves no room for the client to try to haggle the price down.

FIMCO-MEISTER
08-09-2008, 12:31 PM
You could show on the bill the "full amount" based on all the hours (break out by task if you wish, even on the phone hours w/vendors) and all the materials.

Then show some kind "big project discount", subtracting a percentage you can live with. Shows the client you aren't trying to ravage them. Leaves no room for the client to try to haggle the price down.

You get really hung up on telling people how to bill and telling everybody they should discount their bill. Don't discount a dime. Even if they are old, deaf, blind and crippled.

Kiril
08-09-2008, 12:34 PM
You get really hung up on telling people how to bill and telling everybody they should discount their bill. Don't discount a dime. Even if they are old, deaf, blind and crippled.

Ouch ...... cranky ....... need brisket ...... beer ......

Waterit
08-09-2008, 12:36 PM
You get really hung up on telling people how to bill and telling everybody they should discount their bill. Don't discount a dime. Even if they are old, deaf, blind and crippled.

I ain't giving nothing away that I can't make back on the next go-round (or that I didn't already over-bill on the previous one).

Wet_Boots
08-09-2008, 12:46 PM
Add a couple hundred for blinker fluid.

FIMCO-MEISTER
08-09-2008, 12:51 PM
Ouch ...... cranky ....... need brisket ...... beer ......

You hit the nail on the head. Long story associated with that post that I have to save for another day. Something called bill proportionality.

CAPT Stream Rotar
08-09-2008, 12:52 PM
sounds like someone ate a job!

FIMCO-MEISTER
08-09-2008, 12:54 PM
sounds like someone ate a job!

Because the job was overcharged for to begin with and not by me.

CAPT Stream Rotar
08-09-2008, 01:12 PM
Because the job was overcharged for to begin with and not by me.

Henry?

and how much over charged was it a number error or was he trying to zip someone?

bicmudpuppy
08-09-2008, 01:32 PM
If your going to provide a warranty on the work, then I always expect a min of 2.5x materials. So, $4,000 for Materials and $6750 for labor ($60/hour), but if your normal is $65, I wouldn't discount it.

WalkGood
08-10-2008, 12:32 AM
You get really hung up on telling people how to bill and telling everybody they should discount their bill. Don't discount a dime. Even if they are old, deaf, blind and crippled.

You seem to invent things in your own delusional mind. Getting your vino on alters your perception of reality. :hammerhead:


1600 is cost

65 per man-hour plus materials, thinking about discount because they are a good customer, on the other hand we went thru he!! on this one. There wasn't much wasted time, and no travel time included. Doesn't include any extra for 521 or pulser, nor time spent offsite discussing problems with vendor, Hunter techline, or here.

EagleLandscape
08-10-2008, 07:36 PM
Like Peter said, was it LI hours, or laborer digging hours? If it was LI hours, at 65 per hour we would have lost money. Fuel/Overhead and Wage wouldnt have cleared at that hourly rate.

Mike Leary
08-10-2008, 07:39 PM
Getting your vino on alters your perception of reality.:

Squeeze a lemon between your legs.

Waterit
08-10-2008, 07:42 PM
Like Peter said, was it LI hours, or laborer digging hours? If it was LI hours, at 65 per hour we would have lost money. Fuel/Overhead and Wage wouldnt have cleared at that hourly rate.

You're back! How was the honeymoon?

It was myself and my helper, who gets 12/hr., and a buddy who's licensed, is re-starting his irrigation career, and didn't have much going on so I drafted him. As stated, my helper could be licensed, he certainly has the knowledge, but has things in his past that prevent him from pursuing it.

So I'm looking at it as 3 licensed guys, with a total of about 65 years experience between us.:weightlifter:

Our markets are obviously all different - just wanted to see what y'all would do in this situation, get a better idea of just how different our markets really are.

Mike Leary
08-10-2008, 07:51 PM
So I'm looking at it as 3 licensed guys

That's 3 service trucks, three crews, three jobs going at once;
that's the only way it can work. I've run two at once, both 90 zoners,
pretty crazy, but done.

hoskm01
08-10-2008, 07:53 PM
That's 3 service trucks, three crews, three jobs going at once;
that's the only way it can work. I've run two at once, both 90 zoners,
pretty crazy, but done.
Especially if you finished by noon!:)

Mike Leary
08-10-2008, 08:06 PM
Especially if you finished by noon!:)

Up at 4.00 am, hit the sites, do bookwork, have a life.

hoskm01
08-10-2008, 10:03 PM
, have a life.




:::tries to have life:::

Mike Leary
08-10-2008, 10:23 PM
:::tries to have life:::

We all should. Daily, hourly, minute by minute. :dancing:

DanaMac
08-10-2008, 10:46 PM
We all should. Daily, hourly, minute by minute. :dancing:

We'll get there. Eventually :)

Mike Leary
08-10-2008, 11:05 PM
Might think about a panel discussion the first day concerning that.

Waterit
08-11-2008, 02:16 AM
I wish y'all'd consider somewhere a little further east, like Austin, TX. You Westies don't think about us Easties much, do you?

I'm sure Peter could get you some sort of immunity pass to be in TX after all the stuff you've said about their irrigators. Maybe a 6"VB lid on a chain, Like Flavor Flav.

FIMCO-MEISTER
08-11-2008, 06:48 AM
The perfect irrigators reunion would be at Shiner TX to celebrate the 100th year of the Spoetzl Brewery.

DanaMac
08-11-2008, 08:51 AM
I wish y'all'd consider somewhere a little further east, like Austin, TX. You Westies don't think about us Easties much, do you?


Start your own. This is our island getaway.

hoskm01
08-11-2008, 08:59 AM
Maybe a 6"VB lid on a chain, Like Flavor Flav.



Its a terrible drawing. Gimme a break, its early.

EagleLandscape
08-11-2008, 09:41 AM
st thomas irrigation

FIMCO-MEISTER
08-11-2008, 09:53 AM
Start your own. This is our island getaway.

We'd have more fun than you tight shirts anyway:p

DanaMac
08-11-2008, 10:20 AM
We'd have more fun than you tight shirts anyway:p

Now it's on!!! You provide the brisket, and Colorado and Oregon will bring all the microbrews. Two best states for the brews. But you all have to come here to Colorado

WalkGood
08-11-2008, 02:15 PM
Squeeze a lemon between your legs.

Isn't that sweet of you...... coming to Dimco's rescue. Do you wipe his nose for him too? :rolleyes:

Waterit
08-11-2008, 02:46 PM
Now it's on!!! You provide the brisket, and Colorado and Oregon will bring all the microbrews. Two best states for the brews. But you all have to come here to Colorado

Whoa! Fimco provides the meal, but has to bring it to you?

Hey, wanta come over for dinner? What kind of food are you bringing?

Mike Leary
08-11-2008, 05:55 PM
Whoa! Fimco provides the meal, but has to bring it to you?
You'll see his point when the boys in the hills serve up Rocky Mt. oysters.

bicmudpuppy
08-11-2008, 06:45 PM
You'll see his point when the boys in the hills serve up Rocky Mt. oysters.

Mmmmmm, Mt. Oysters would be sheep fries? Calf or Bull Fries would be fine too!!

I have seen Turkey fries for sale back in KS, but never tried them.

Waterit
08-11-2008, 07:26 PM
See the "Bidding difficulty" thread - I may have hit upon a compromise solution where we can all get together, all get what we want, and do it on the manufacturers' nickel...

I'll bring some of that sweet southern delight - head cheese.

Mike Leary
08-11-2008, 08:12 PM
Might as well use this thread, since it's been jacked completely:
word from the trenches is Hunter's flow sensor does not work.
Anybody else use them ?..as usual, good idea, but.......:dizzy:

Mike Leary
08-11-2008, 08:17 PM
I'll bring some of that sweet southern delight - head cheese.

That will go great with the lutifisk we're bringing.

bicmudpuppy
08-11-2008, 10:17 PM
Might as well use this thread, since it's been jacked completely:
word from the trenches is Hunter's flow sensor does not work.
Anybody else use them ?..as usual, good idea, but.......:dizzy:

What's not working? and do we know who is making their flow sensor for them? (a reach, but I'm thinking they aren't making their own)

Wet_Boots
08-11-2008, 10:27 PM
K-Rain, who else?

Mike Leary
08-12-2008, 12:50 AM
What's not working? and do we know who is making their flow sensor for them? (a reach, but I'm thinking they aren't making their own)

Apparently won't link up with the controller sensor ports, which is a common shorting devise. the hype was 'works with any clock'; not working with a Smartline, though the "rep" said it would. Gee, wonder where they were made?