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TPendagast
08-10-2008, 10:11 PM
I was just browsing the irrigation direct website and it just occured to me, thats a hunter pro-c with different colors!
Does anyone use these clocks? They are alot cheaper than hunters, have a 3 year warranty and even work with the hunter ICR remote control.
Anyone have expereince or opinions about these clocks?

bicmudpuppy
08-10-2008, 10:24 PM
I was just browsing the irrigation direct website and it just occured to me, thats a hunter pro-c with different colors!
Does anyone use these clocks? They are alot cheaper than hunters, have a 3 year warranty and even work with the hunter ICR remote control.
Anyone have expereince or opinions about these clocks?

Do a site search. A lot of the guys were using them, and they were discussed in depth about a year or so ago. I haven't used anything that small since I heard about them, but from the discussions I heard, I would try them.

irrig8r
08-11-2008, 01:01 AM
I've used them and I like them. I try to keep at least three and a handful of modules in stock. I have had very few problems with them, and I like their customer service.

IMHO some of the features are actually better than the Hunter Pro-C, like a larger display, automatic daylight savings adjustments, and a 10 year replaceable lithium battery for current time and date.

Rainman7
08-11-2008, 08:49 PM
IMO some features are better but one thing that made me crazy was the speed- or lack of . The display, processor response, or both was very slow and annoying. I only used 3 but they all performed the same. You run one zone manually and try scrolling around the other zones- by the time you hit the arrows 5 times, the display registers once. That goes for all programing and manual operations.

Good Luck, it dont hurt to try.

grassman177
01-08-2009, 03:35 PM
i was wondering the same thing, looks like an amped Pro-C, which i love to no end for the stuff i work with. no problems ever with one. i would not mind checking these out but have always been a brand with brand kinda guy, never mixing brands unless i have too. maybe tht is crazy, but brands are made to compliment thier own components.

Flow Control
01-08-2009, 03:47 PM
http://www.rainproco.com/rainpro/pdf%202/rainpro%20exapandable.pdf

Above is copy of the pro-c too. Made in China for HIT.

I found a website where you can purchase the controller direct from CHINA. Also found
quick couplers
boxes
Multi-strand wire
drip nozzles
ball valves
copper fittings

Knock-offs on the below items
5004
PGP
R-50
PS-04
1804
Entire Hunter line of medium - large turf rotors
DV valves

I just found it interesting to see all the above.

You can buy the moulds and machines to make your own poly, pvc, fittings

Waterit
01-09-2009, 02:07 AM
Followed the link ICS provided, then went to HIT's home page. Was startled to learn that they are "the leader in two wire"...:dizzy:

grassman177
01-09-2009, 07:40 PM
haha, the leader, yeah right. i still use hunter as install, just a preference. but service all toro, rainbird and hunter stuff. up to the big commercial stuff. dont carry parts cause it is very rare to even come across it here

ARGOS
01-09-2009, 09:32 PM
i was wondering the same thing, looks like an amped Pro-C, which i love to no end for the stuff i work with. no problems ever with one. i would not mind checking these out but have always been a brand with brand kinda guy, never mixing brands unless i have too. maybe tht is crazy, but brands are made to compliment thier own components.

I question this logic. Being brand loyal is one thing, but being committed to one particular brand on the complete install doesn't make sense. Go with the products that work.

I don't know how irrigation products are developed. I know a lot of guys here have taken factory tours, but I would guess a lot of the products are developed by third parties or a private label manufacturer with limited consideration for product mix. They want the product to work with other manufacturers therefore a sprinkler head is developed as an independent item or component, not to work as a compliment item to a certain brands controller.

On a side note Grassman I have noticed that people on the irrigation forum are particular about using their shift key and spell check.

Mike Leary
01-10-2009, 09:57 AM
On a side note Grassman I have noticed that people on the irrigation forum are particular about using their shift key and spell check.

who wud thet be?

Wet_Boots
01-10-2009, 10:12 AM
Shift key isn't critical, although we like to think that we're worth the extra effort. Beats the hell out of all caps.

Mike Leary
01-10-2009, 10:40 AM
Beats the hell out of all caps.

Please, don't give anyone any ideas. :dizzy:

irrig8r
01-10-2009, 02:46 PM
http://www.rainproco.com/rainpro/pdf%202/rainpro%20exapandable.pdf

Above is copy of the pro-c too. Made in China for HIT.

I found a website where you can purchase the controller direct from CHINA.

Please IM me with a link. Not gonna buy any, but I am curious.

Man... easier to find than I thought.

http://www.commerce.com.tw/modules.php?modules=products&action=detail&ID=E0065555&no=43230&category=0

AI Inc
01-10-2009, 02:56 PM
Minimum order , 100 units ?

irrig8r
01-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Minimum order , 100 units ?

I thought it said 1,000...

Anyway, I think this link is even more interesting...

http://www.importgenius.com/importers/irrigation-direct-inc.html

AI Inc
01-10-2009, 03:01 PM
correct , it does say 1000.
Well thats what Hunter gets for producing their product in a country that dosnt recognize copyright laws.

Mad Estonian
01-10-2009, 03:22 PM
A plumbing inspector I know said that one of the big local outfits was bringing in cheap Chinese Philmac knock-offs for teeing off supply lines. And guess what... they leak!

AI Inc
01-10-2009, 03:24 PM
Funny thing is , when Chinease are looking to buy, they save up for the expensive American made stuff because they want quality.

Armadillolawncare
01-11-2009, 12:43 AM
Business week just recently had an article about counterfit military hardware and electronics that are causing a lot of problems with high end equipment. They are finding computer chips that are stamped "military grade" that are not. The problem is they are finding them after thay have been installed in jet fighters, on aircraft carriers etc. I just figure if you buy direct from China, chances are your are getting a counterfit product.

irrig8r
04-30-2009, 01:59 PM
I explored a little more about MicroMist... here's another version of the Hunter Pro-C/ Hit Rain Pro/ Irrigation Direct controller:

http://www.micromist.cn/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_ProductID=c373e9168fcfa65f8f6fb2f47038a127&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false

And this looks like the Irrigation Direct valve:

http://www.micromist.cn/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_ProductID=c373e916c4586a8e8feff3c03bb13005&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false

Meanwhile this one looks just like the Hit 515 valve:

http://www.micromist.cn/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_ProductID=c373e916c4586ab38feff3c03bb13005&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false

http://www.rainproco.com/RAIN-PRO3/PDF%202/500%20Series.pdf


Apparently Micro Mist is a Taiwan based company operating in the free trade zone in Ningbo, China.

"Micro Mist was founded in 1992 in Taiwan and established its present plant in Free Trade Zone Ningbo China in 2001,covering the area of 10,000 square meters and having 300 employees. The registered capital is 10 million US dollars, and trade volume in 2003 exceeded 12 million USD. Micro Mist is ranked one of the top ten fast-growing enterprises in NFTZ. Micro Mist now has become one of the leading manufacturers of irrigation products in Southeast China."

irrig8r
04-30-2009, 02:10 PM
"Micro Mist is ISO 9001: 2000 certified company and with our advanced testing facilities. We guarantee customer's satisfaction both on quality and delivery. We provide a brief list of inspection and test equipment available at facility: Digital Dimensions, Tensile Strength, Spring Testing, Melt Flow Index, Density Balance, Impact Strength Machine, Salt Spray Test Machine, Water Pressure Test Machine. Besides Our engineering staff have One (1) Chief Engineer, Eights ( 8 ) Pro-E Engineers, One ( 1 ) Document Control Manager, Three ( 3 ) Mold Designers, Two ( 2 ) Process Engineers.

Our core processes and strengths are injection, molding and assembly. 30 Injection molding machines, 25 Die tooling machines, 8 Assembly lines, which could achieve 20 dies per month and 10*40ˊcontainers of product per month."

Sounds to me like maybe they know what they're doing.

irrig8r
04-30-2009, 02:39 PM
One more thing..... the faucet end battery-operated timer I got for my tomatoes...

https://www.irrigationdirect.com/products/db.asp?id=DD-HEDT


Looks nearly identical to this:

http://www.micromist.cn/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProductInfoExhibit.html?ProductInfoExhibit_ProductID=c373e916c4533d048feff3c03bb13005&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false

...but the imprint on the back says "Holman, Australia."

The Holman site calls it a Tap Timer:

http://www.holmanindustries.com.au/products.asp?product=Programmable%20Tap%20Timer

And they also offer this:

http://www.holmanindustries.com.au/products.asp?product=Modular%20618

And how about this one... looks like a Hunter ICC to me:

http://www.holmanindustries.com.au/products.asp?product=PRO%201248

Welcome to the global economy!

FIMCO-MEISTER
04-30-2009, 03:50 PM
So this is buying Chinese right? no bueno right?

irrig8r
04-30-2009, 03:59 PM
I have no idea anymore if it's bueno or not... tal vez es muy loco...

Read Tom Friedman's (http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/bookshelf/the-world-is-flat-3) books on the global economy...

FIMCO-MEISTER
04-30-2009, 04:07 PM
I have no idea anymore if it's bueno or not... tal vez es muy loco...

Read Tom Friedman's (http://www.thomaslfriedman.com/bookshelf/the-world-is-flat-3) books on the global economy...

I put it on my Amazon list. I get 25.00 for my Amazon visa card with each 2500.00 in charges. Have you watched those Zeitgeist movies? They are really fascinating. A world without money run by engineers at optimum world resource efficiency. Wave and tide energy, geothermal, magnatrains...
I'll find the link if you are interested.

Mike Leary
04-30-2009, 07:43 PM
I put it on my Amazon list. I get 25.00 for my Amazon visa card with each 2500.00 in charges. Have you watched those Zeitgeist movies? They are really fascinating. A world without money run by engineers at optimum world resource efficiency. Wave and tide energy, geothermal, magnatrains...
I'll find the link if you are interested.

Like we care.

SoCalLandscapeMgmt
05-01-2009, 12:36 AM
http://www.rainproco.com/rainpro/pdf%202/rainpro%20exapandable.pdf

Above is copy of the pro-c too. Made in China for HIT.

I found a website where you can purchase the controller direct from CHINA. Also found
quick couplers
boxes
Multi-strand wire
drip nozzles
ball valves
copper fittings

Knock-offs on the below items
5004
PGP
R-50
PS-04
1804
Entire Hunter line of medium - large turf rotors
DV valves

I just found it interesting to see all the above.

You can buy the moulds and machines to make your own poly, pvc, fittings

Hey... what is the link to that website? I'm not interested in buying that knocked off crap I'd just like to see how good they are at copying it!

AI Inc
05-01-2009, 05:51 AM
Hey... what is the link to that website? I'm not interested in buying that knocked off crap I'd just like to see how good they are at copying it!

Exact copies , there are now about 4 pro c knockoffs out there. One of the reasons Hunter redesigned the pro c this yr.

FIMCO-MEISTER
05-01-2009, 07:04 AM
Like we care.

Whose this we TONTO?

irrig8r
05-01-2009, 10:58 AM
Actually, one reason Hunter redesigned the modules was to get around having to pay royalties to the patent holder for modular controllers.... Toro.

I talked to Bill at Irrigation Direct yesterday.

He assured me that not all "knock-offs" are the same. He owns the molds for the design of his box, and there are some features that are real improvements over the Pro-C that I've noted before...

Auto daylight savings time adjustment is one (programmable in case they change it on us again) An easier to read bar graph for season adjust is another.

Replaceable lithium back up battery is yet another.

I've installed two dozen of these. The biggest callback issue I've had is user error... even though it's one of the easiest to read user manuals I've ever run across.

There is an ET version or add-on (not sure which) in the works. There was also talk a while back of a larger version... (can't remember now, but I think it was gonna go to 36 stations.)