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P.Services
09-01-2008, 06:25 PM
has anyone seen or run the new d series 304 or 305?

i was looking to buy a 305c cr but may wait to run a new D first.

any info?

mrsops
09-01-2008, 07:29 PM
has anyone seen or run the new d series 304 or 305?

i was looking to buy a 305c cr but may wait to run a new D first.

any info?

since when is there a new d series? did you run the 305c cr yet

bobcat_ron
09-01-2008, 08:13 PM
I haven't heard any info on the D's either, only good stuff on the bigger D's.

mrusk
09-01-2008, 08:26 PM
A 305 is over priced no mater what letter is after it.

mrsops
09-01-2008, 08:27 PM
A 305 is over priced no mater what letter is after it.

what did you get quoted on it? i own one i felt i got a very good price

Scag48
09-01-2008, 08:32 PM
D series minis don't exist yet. Could easily be a year before they are released.

mrsops
09-01-2008, 08:35 PM
mrusk dont you own cat skid steers?

P.Services
09-01-2008, 10:57 PM
i had read a small article about the improvments of the new d's in the article in called them minis and had a pic of a 305 sive machine, i could not see the letters on the side to see if maybe they just threw a old mini pic on the article. i will ask my sales man for the low down. i just searched up and down for the mag but cant find it.

P.Services
09-01-2008, 10:59 PM
A 305 is over priced no mater what letter is after it.

i dont agree, i got a much better rate from cat then i did from deere or case for equal machines. deere was over 10k more for a 50d compared to a cat 305c cr. i belive a 304 is the equal to a 50d so that would be five grand less then the 305

ksss
09-01-2008, 11:11 PM
i dont agree, i got a much better rate from cat then i did from deere or case for equal machines. deere was over 10k more for a 50d compared to a cat 305c cr. i belive a 304 is the equal to a 50d so that would be five grand less then the 305


I was quoted 68K for 3 buckets, thumb and coupler on a 305C loaded. That was a 18 months ago when they were selling all that they could build. I am sure you could get a better deal now.

P.Services
09-01-2008, 11:12 PM
I was quoted 68K for 3 buckets, thumb and coupler on a 305C loaded. That was a 18 months ago when they were selling all that they could build. I am sure you could get a better deal now.

yeah knock about ten grand off that, thats what i got

mrsops
09-01-2008, 11:15 PM
yeah knock about ten grand off that, thats what i got

picasso you got a very good price

P.Services
09-01-2008, 11:17 PM
that was a off the top of his head price, he said for sure it wont be higher but maybe a little lower, he is kinda trying to get me into a 304c cr for money reasons. am i going to feel a big diffrence between the 4 and 5?

mrsops
09-01-2008, 11:21 PM
that was a off the top of his head price, he said for sure it wont be higher but maybe a little lower, he is kinda trying to get me into a 304c cr for money reasons. am i going to feel a big diffrence between the 4 and 5?

if i remember correctly the difference was in break out forces in the bucket and stick

Tigerotor77W
09-02-2008, 01:44 AM
i had read a small article about the improvments of the new d's in the article in called them minis and had a pic of a 305 sive machine

It might have been a mis-image -- the new 308D is out this year, and it's sometimes being referred to as a "mini" (other times just a "small" hydraulic excavator). Could be that the media picked up on that and thought the introduction of the "mini" 308D meant that the true "mini" line of 302.5-305 was getting replaced, too.

ksss
09-02-2008, 01:58 AM
It might have been a mis-image -- the new 308D is out this year, and it's sometimes being referred to as a "mini" (other times just a "small" hydraulic excavator). Could be that the media picked up on that and thought the introduction of the "mini" 308D meant that the true "mini" line of 302.5-305 was getting replaced, too.


I thought it was kinda fast for a replacement for the C series already.

bobcat_ron
09-02-2008, 11:17 AM
It might have been a mis-image -- the new 308D is out this year, and it's sometimes being referred to as a "mini" (other times just a "small" hydraulic excavator). Could be that the media picked up on that and thought the introduction of the "mini" 308D meant that the true "mini" line of 302.5-305 was getting replaced, too.

The D's are down to the 307, my Dad still has the literature from the 307/308 sizes here somewhere.

qps
09-02-2008, 03:12 PM
that was a off the top of his head price, he said for sure it wont be higher but maybe a little lower, he is kinda trying to get me into a 304c cr for money reasons. am i going to feel a big diffrence between the 4 and 5?


My 304 CCR fits on my skid trailer...the 305 would not....neither would the TB153

RockSet N' Grade
09-02-2008, 04:41 PM
QPS.......what does that new avatar say? Can't read it with my little beeeedy eyes? And while I am at it, what does QPS stand for?.........don't you dare tell me Quality, Production and Service...

2004F550
09-02-2008, 05:28 PM
tried the 305C CR last week and it is 78" wide which was tight on our 79" wide between the tires trailer, the salesman said the 304 has the same undercarriage, the Bobcat 435 we have is 76" so we have a little more play

Junior M
09-02-2008, 05:39 PM
I noticed you guys are talking about the width of excavators and being a tight fit on your between the axle trailers. why dont you guys use deckover trailers? you wouldnt have to worry about width with a deckover.. I know multiple people here in sc that wont use a deckover because they are afraid of running off the side or flipping off the side..

bobcat_ron
09-02-2008, 08:50 PM
I noticed you guys are talking about the width of excavators and being a tight fit on your between the axle trailers. why dont you guys use deckover trailers? you wouldnt have to worry about width with a deckover.. I know multiple people here in sc that wont use a deckover because they are afraid of running off the side or flipping off the side..



No kidding, it's even easier for the fork lift operators to place anything on your trailer with out them rotten fenders in the way!

Junior M
09-02-2008, 10:11 PM
the other advantage of a deckover.. it is more comfortable to sit on!! haha

2004F550
09-02-2008, 11:07 PM
no we aren't worried about going off the side lol, we have deck over 20 ton tags and have for years, for the smaller trailers though we steer away from deckovers to keep the weight as low to the ground as possible because we don't always have a 2 ton truck to pull the trailer, sometimes the pick ups have to do and with a 6 ton machine you want the weight as low as possible.

NateV
09-02-2008, 11:23 PM
no we aren't worried about going off the side lol, we have deck over 20 ton tags and have for years, for the smaller trailers though we steer away from deckovers to keep the weight as low to the ground as possible because we don't always have a 2 ton truck to pull the trailer, sometimes the pick ups have to do and with a 6 ton machine you want the weight as low as possible.

exactly what he said.


i think our kobelco is 77'' and the between the fenders is about 80" i think. these are just numbers off the top of my head, but i know theres only about an inch or so on each side of the tracks. its no big deal we keep the blade to the rear so we dont have to fight that through the fenders.

Junior M
09-02-2008, 11:32 PM
I would be more worried about the top heaviness on a tounge trailer like mine because it would be really easy to roll the truck if the trailer went on its side I wouldnt worry about the top heaviness on a gooseneck..


But I know lots of people that wont even run a skid up on a deckover trailer because they are afraid of running off the side or rolling it off the ramps or they wont because the ramps and dovetail are so steep.. we have talked about it before and some people have said they were worried about missing the ramps or falling the ramps because they were so narrow and were goin to sell there trailer for a tilt because of this...

P.Services
09-02-2008, 11:35 PM
My 304 CCR fits on my skid trailer...the 305 would not....neither would the TB153

i havent thought about that, im going to have to look into that.

mrsops
09-02-2008, 11:35 PM
i havent thought about that, im going to have to look into that.

piccaso did you demo the 305 yet

P.Services
09-02-2008, 11:36 PM
i think i may buy a used 305c cr with about 1,500 hours on it. any thoughts? i believe it will still have lots of life left and still has a year left on the power train warranty.

P.Services
09-02-2008, 11:38 PM
piccaso did you demo the 305 yet

no he said its on a trailer ready to come out as soon as i say the word.
im so busy i dont have a day to screw around running a machine. im about ready to just buy one with out running it though. every one says i will regret it if i buy a deere.

Scag48
09-03-2008, 12:01 AM
The reason guys don't use deckovers for this size of equipment is that even though it's small compared to backhoes, larger excavators, etc.., chances are you're towing it behind a 1 ton truck at best. Get a lot of weight that high up in the air and let me know how you feel about it with only a small pickup towing it. Even a 12-15 ton excavator on a low-pro deckover tag feels too tall in some situations. The lower to the ground, the better.

Junior M
09-03-2008, 01:01 AM
you guys actually make sense compared to people here that I have talked to.. people here (sc) arent worried about the load hieght and stuff like that they are just scared.. freakn wimps!! I love a challenge! :laugh: but sometimes having a nice easy job where you arent on a hill or arent constantly worried about your tailswing is nice compared to being on a hill on the worst designed zts mini excavator ever (bobcat 430) trying to dump dirt over a retaining wall while you are beside a lake running out of dirt!! with good looking women on boats that is fun sometimes to...

qps
09-03-2008, 02:51 PM
I had a deck over trailer...it was that un easy feeling of driving up and down on ramps that made my backside pucker at times, on the 305 undercarriage...for some reason I was thinking it was wider..I know it was on the TK machines...maybe the 305 was so much more money is why I passed...QPS stands for Quit Posting Sh*t....:laugh:.....

MJM316
09-03-2008, 10:47 PM
Hey Jr tell those hillbillies that you live around to lay off the green stuff while they are operating equipement!:hammerhead:

Scag48
09-04-2008, 01:08 AM
While we're somewhat on the subject of D series excavators, we got a new toy at work today...brand new 345DL showed up. Hydraulic pin grabber, 48" tooth bucket, 72" deep heel cleanup, and a 30" trenching bucket. I think it has a medium stick, definatley isn't short. It's fast as all hell, I'd put it up against Deere's 450C and Komatsu's new PC450's. It'll bury our dash 6 400's even with a smaller bucket on it loading trucks, it had the 48" GP bucket on all day as the remaining 2 didn't show up on the lowboy until late. While it took more cycles with the smaller bucket compared to the 400's running 72" tooth buckets, it still got them loaded substantially faster.