U N Number ?

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

Hey anybody know what I am talking about ??? From what I heard you need to have this on your truck or trailer if carrying more than 13 or 15 gallons of fuel at a time ? I tried searching and found nothing and tried the net and nothing there except the United Nations, Dont think thats what I'm looking for..

My question is .. How and where do I get this # from , does it cost anything, whats' involved , etc, etc, etc, Thanks

[LAWNGODFATHER]

State regulations for carrying a hazardous material.

Different states different regulation.

I am going to assume it's a DOT number, may be wrong, but I know I'm close.

[LoneStarLawn]

http://www.ribbands.co.uk/genpages/unnumber.htm

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

Thanks Alan,
But I think that' s for the UK .. ?? And I dont see anything about fuel or gasoline, Unless i missed it ?? But Warheads and grenades Interesting stuff......

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

I did find some other sites on a search on yahoo.. and seems it is United Nations ? hazardous classifications , but I cant seem to find anything pertaining to Gasoline or fuel or anything about the 13 or 15 gallon thing I mentioned earlier.. Anybody know anything about this ???? Thanks..

[LoneStarLawn]

I believe that is what a UN number is. For transportation of hazardous material between countries. (I just thought you wanted to know what UN numbers were.)

I haven't seen any UN number for DOT regulations...
http://www.fuel-tanks.com/dotregs.htm

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

http://hazmat.dot.gov/erg2000/1201.htm

http://hazmat.dot.gov/erg2000/unidnum.htm

Gasoline is UN # 1203

But this still does not answer my question of wheather we need it or not ???

ANy one know the details of this UN #

[LoneStarLawn]

I can't find UN numbers there...what are they for us? I just see ID numbers...Sorry I wasn't more helpful...:( (I tried :) )

[Randy Scott]

Call the state sheriff's office, they should know what numbers you need and are required to have on your vehicle. Hopefully they do, otherwise they could point you in the right direction.

[PAPS]

I am also from N. Jersey, and have a truck with a 50 gallon transfer tank... and never heard of any permits etc. that are need.

[big james]

You have to have over a certain amount of a certain type of material ,it varies with the material ,this is known as the REPORTABLE QUANITY, before you have to placard it ,a placard is that sticker that has the U.N. # on it U.N stands for United Nations but these rules and regs. apply here in usa as well , there is a book available thru J.J. KELLER and And Ascosiates that gives you all this info. and 1203 is the right # for gasoline ,you can also put a Flammable placard on it. I used to know all this stuff real well back when I hauled all that crap for a living .:blob2:

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

So do we have to have " UN # 1203 " lettered on the trailer or have one of those diamond things ( think they are called placards ? ) that have flammable and 1203 on it ??? Just on the back or is it required on both sides like a pesticide # ???

Thanks

[big james]

you have to have them on all four sides if you are hauling a reportable quanity , y ou are not hauling a reportable quanity:D

[big james]

All states have the same rulesand regs. regarding transporting HAZMAT ,the U,N,# is for law enforcement ,fire and rescue people , it's identification is made easy ,so they know what to do in case of a spill.;)

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

Whats a reportable quantity... The guy I heard this from said I think it was somewhere between 15 and 20 gallons of gasoline.. Most landscapers you figure are over that .. 5 gallons per machine say 3 machines, Two 5 gallon cans, plus your mix and your at say 30 gallons or so ... ????

[GilbertJT]

The UN does stand for United Nations. Placarding and UN#'s are not required unless you haul over 119 gallons of fuel. Gas or diesel in a bulk container. The bulk container must be a spec container. That means it must meet the requirements of the Federal Regulations. So don't think that just because you buy one of those bulk tanks that fit in the back of your pick up that it meets the specs of the Regs. If you are just hauling a few five gallon fuel tanks you will be alright. When you haul a "reportable quantity" over 119 gallons you are required to placard, have shipping papers, label containers and possibly UN#'s. If I recall right, the five gallon containers are covered under an exception to the Regs. called "Materials of Trade". That allows people like us to haul the five gallon tanks without having to placard and have UN#'s. So to answer your question you don't need a UN# or placards on your truck.

[big james]

I am not sure I agree with 119 gallons as a reportable quanity ,but I been wrong before ,18 wheelers have 2 to 3 hundred gallons of diesel and their fuel tanks are not placarded. and it has something to do with being involved in intra or interstate commerce ,lawn services are not involved in interstate commerce , Hell make it simple ,go buy you some placards and stick them on there and that way your ass is covered ,or go to jj keller and associates ,their the people who print the book truck drivers carry who haul HAZMAT.;)NOTICE THE LAST GUY WHO P[OSTED SAID SHIPPING PAPERS ? you are not a shipper ,you are a consumer.

[deason]

You do not have to display a UN #or placards on your truck for gasoline unless you are transprting more than 119 gallons (in a regulated shipping tote tank or bulkhead) of any reportable quanity or over 882 lbs except for poison (keep away from foodstuffs).

Watch it!!! - DOT has very stiff fines for improper placarding. Tennessee is $1000 per placard, per side. $4000 if you make the wrong call. And no you cannot placard just to be safe. This is a violation also.

There were changes in these laws in 2000. You now can placard "dangerous" for a mixture that you are not sure of such as flamable and corrosive. But, you cannot placard for lets say "flamable" if you do not have enough weight or volume to justify running a placard. Kind of screwed up if you ask me.

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

Gemplers has that book " the emergency response guide book " that has all these regs and requirements in it , I think at least from the description it does.. I'ts only $8.00 So I'm gonna order it just to have , it will probly make interesting reading , and I'll never wann be near certain Rigs on the hiway again , But hey , it'l still be interesting..

Thanks for all the excellent feedback guys...

[LAWNGODFATHER]

So what you all are saying is, since I/we are not selling the fuel then no place card is needed.

35 gal truck

10gal each ztr x 2 = 20gal

5gal WB

12-5gal gas cans

All come to 120 gal which is over 119, and no need to use placecards(hypothetical)

And if I was to use a 100 gal tank in the back of the truck, plus the fuel tanks on the mowers, since the fuel is not for sale or distabution to a seller no place card is needed.

[big james]

According to the one guy the rules have changed ,but I believe if you have 120 gallons og gasoline in different containers then you don't need placards ,hell them placards just give the police something else to notice as you go by.When I hauled all that crap for a living I was pretty up on this stuff but that was 5 years ago .I do know when you pull on them state scales with them skull and crossbone placards they wave your ass right on thru!:D

[GilbertJT]

Ok, Ok, I guess that I left out a few things. Yes a semi-truck can haul a couple hundred gallons of fuel with out placarding. That is because they are using that fuel as a fuel source for the power unit or (tractor). There has to be a connected fuel line to the power unit. If they haul to transport from one place to another more than 119gallons in a bulk container then they have to placard, UN#'s, and YES even shipping papers. The shipping papers are not just for the shipper but also for the transporter of the fuel itself. You will not need to put placards on your truck if you are just hauling fuel in your equipment and truck and a few five gallon tanks. DO NOT Placard or place UN#'s on your vehicle, unless you are over the 119gallons. Like others have said that will just draw attention to you. :blob3:

[HacMan91]

I wouldnt worry about it unless your stopped or some of your friends get stopped. Im a paramedic with the fire dept and have never personally been called to a few 5 gallon cans in the road. We have the emergency guide books on our trucks, Im going to look at it tomorrow since im curious now. Maybe if you have an enclosed trailer but a regular utility trailer you can see everything that is on it. If im not mistaking the can itself is as good as a placard it says flammable liquids on it and has a warning on it. Most people can look at the container and tell how many gallons it will hold, unless you have a large tank mounted on your trailer. Your stated codes may be different up there, try calling a gasoline hauling company they would be a reliable source.:D

[SCAPEASAURUSREX]

OK... I got the facts for NJ...

As several other posters stated.... You have to Placard if you are carrying 1000lbs of Gasoline , or any qty in a bulk container, ( meaning large tank ) ...1000 lbs is about 120 gallons...

Also as others stated 5 gallon cans and the business we are in they fall under an exemption " Materials of Trade "

I also varified this with both the US DOT and the NJ Hazmat offices...

Thanks for all the Help guys...

[mickey]

Under current federal motor carrier regulations there is what's known as the 8 gallon rule, which basically is an exemption for people who use gasoline for Their business.You can however carry more than 8 gallons as long as it's not in one container or weighs more than approximately 400 lbs ( I think the number is closer to 419 lbs but i'm not 100% sure). So yes you can carry multiple containers of gasoline as long as you are not over on the gallons (8) per container or over on your weight.otherwise you are considered to be transporting and that is a whole new ballgame. For starters you would need to carry a CDL class A license with a hazmat endorsement, know all of the rules and regulations under the federal motor carriers guide, carry proper shipping papers which are to include, proper shipping name,hazard class,UN I.D.#, packing group, emergency response phone # and the transport vehicle need's to be placarded. You also need to have in your possession a hazardous material response guidebook.The 8 gallon rule does not apply to gasoline that may be in the vehicle, mowers or other equipment. Containers need to be secured, braced or blocked as to not allow movement of said container during transport. I could go on and on but I think you all get my meaning. Hope this helps everybody.

[mickey]

United Nations (UN) Numbers are four-digit numbers used world-wide in international commerce and transportation to identify hazardous chemicals or classes of hazardous materials. These numbers generally range between 0000 and 3500 and are ideally preceded by the letters "UN" (for example, "UN1005") to avoid confusion with other number codes.
North American (NA) Numbers are identical to UN numbers. If a material does not have a UN number, it may be assigned an NA number; these are usually 4-digit numbers starting with 8 or 9 such as 9037 (or ideally, NA9037), the NA number for hexachloroethane.
UN/NA numbers are required for the shipment of hazardous materials. You have probably seen placards that bear a UN/NA number on railway cars, trucks, shipping containers etc.
UN numbers are assigned by a committee of the United Nations, the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) Committee of Experts (COE) on the Transport of Dangerous Goods which issues "Recommendations on the Transport of Dangerous Goods" (also called "the Orange Book").
UN Recommendations are not regulations, but are recommendations addressing the international transport of dangerous goods by sea, air, road, rail and inland waterways. These recommendations are reviewed, amended and updated biennially (every second year) by the UN COE and are distributed to nations throughout the world.
These recommendations serve as the basis for national, regional, and international transport regulations such as those prepared by the International Maritime Organization (IMO) and the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). The UN Recommendations are also used as a basis for the development of regional (e.g., NAFTA and European Road and Rail regulations) and national transport regulations, including the U.S. Hazardous Materials Regulations (see our entry on DOT).
The UN Recommendations on the Transport of Dangerous Goods addresses the following areas:
A list of the most commonly carried dangerous goods, their identification and their classification.
Consignment procedures such as labelling, marking, and transport documents.
Standards for packaging, test procedures, and certification.
Standards for multimodal tank-containers, test procedures and certification.