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JoeyD
09-18-2008, 01:46 PM
So I haven't got it quite dialed in, and I forgot my tripod so I had to find hard surfaces to set the camera on to shoot the photos. I will be playing with the Shutter speed some more to not allow so many hot spots but I think they came out alright.

This job was designed and Installed by a good friend and customer Kyle Finley of Silver Moon Lighting here in San Diego. This job is enormous and has some of the trickest lighting I have seen as of late. He did not take the easy way out and even created a new light that we will be considering selling from now on. He actually combined a Envoy and Saturn to develop an new patio light that directs light back up into the ceiling.....GENIUS!

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Garyl53
09-18-2008, 02:04 PM
Spectacular!

SamIV
09-18-2008, 02:33 PM
Nice job and much better photos. I am assuming this is not a point and shoot.

Burt Wilson
Accent Outdoor Lighting

JoeyD
09-18-2008, 03:18 PM
I had set the camera on manual setting and had my good friend Paul help me with getting it set up. I will look at my camera display and figure out what all the settings were. But it was not jsut set on Night Time Scene, point and shoot.

newz7151
09-18-2008, 05:43 PM
WOW... looks like the only thing missing is the hot barely clothed girls in the pool!

Lite4
09-18-2008, 08:18 PM
Nice pics Joey. I like the idea of what he did with the saturns, very cool, just not sure I like it with that fixture. I would probably custom make something that didn't just look like an upside down path light. Great innovation though. Those pics make me miss those nice balmy San Diego nights. Thanks

TXNSLighting
09-18-2008, 08:50 PM
Fantatsic looking Joey! He did a very good job.

Chris J
09-18-2008, 09:11 PM
Tell him congrats from us and invite him to this forum. Looks like he could be a source of valuable info, and share with us.

pihta
09-19-2008, 01:43 AM
Very, very impressive! Contratz to Kyle.

Is this job is only around pool or there is more around the territory? How many sq.f job has and how many ligths?

This up-side-down Saturns I think will collect dust. not good, but funny.

irrig8r
09-19-2008, 02:12 AM
Hey...how is business there in Russia? I heard the stock market there has lost 54% of it's value since May 19 and that there is a banking crisis there too... so are your clients effected?

pihta
09-19-2008, 04:01 AM
Hey...how is business there in Russia? I heard the stock market there has lost 54% of it's value since May 19 and that there is a banking crisis there too... so are your clients effected?
Yes, stock exchange was closed for two days. World wide crisis.
I think our clients will prefer to put their money into something physical than bank account, may be into our lighting too :-)

JoeyD
09-19-2008, 06:14 PM
Very, very impressive! Contratz to Kyle.

Is this job is only around pool or there is more around the territory? How many sq.f job has and how many ligths?

This up-side-down Saturns I think will collect dust. not good, but funny.

This job has over 180 lights I believe. Both front and backyard. I had more pics but they werent very good due to me not having a tri pod. The entire backyard is 24v lighting as well. Not sure of the Sq.Ft. on the house but If I was to guess I would say around 6000sqft. This is a high dollar $3-5 million home.

The Saturns can and will collect dust over time, Kyle will be maintaining the entire job regularly and that is something he is considering. We have another light that is coming out that I wthink would be better for this application but his idea here was very creative and one I had never seen before.


Thanks to all of you for your kind words on the photo taking. This new camera is a lot of funa nd I want to thank Chris Jones in GA for giving me such a great deal on it!!!

David Gretzmier
09-19-2008, 08:37 PM
Perhaps it is the camera, the pics, the website or the file compression or my monitor, but everything seems a little hotspotty. I don't want to come off as a harsh critic, I just like my lighting a little softer. I think it may be the exposure setting or something.

The Lighting Geek
09-20-2008, 12:11 AM
very nice and very original. I agree with Tim on using Saturns, but that is a great idea.

JoeyD
09-21-2008, 11:51 PM
Perhaps it is the camera, the pics, the website or the file compression or my monitor, but everything seems a little hotspotty. I don't want to come off as a harsh critic, I just like my lighting a little softer. I think it may be the exposure setting or something.

my very first post explains that I need to adjust shutter speed to not make it look so hot in spots. Thanks

cgaengineer
09-23-2008, 02:25 PM
These look great Joey!!...sorry it took me so long to post I have not been feeling well since the GB surgery but I did go back to work yesterday and I am on the road to recovery.

Just remember to read the little meter inside of the camera and base all of your shots on the middle of the meter. If you use the meter you have no reason to use any scene modes.

JoeyD
09-23-2008, 02:27 PM
These look great Joey!!...sorry it took me so long to post I have not been feeling well since the GB surgery but I did go back to work yesterday and I am on the road to recovery.

Just remember to read the little meter inside of the camera and base all of your shots on the middle of the meter. If you use the meter you have no reason to use any scene modes.

Glad to hear you are getting better Chris! Thanks for all your help!!

EOL
09-23-2008, 05:23 PM
I think you asked me on the other thread about demos if the camera I used to take the Alamo pics was the same camera I had at the Conference and that is correct. Its the exact same camera that you turned me on to about three years ago when I called you. Its the Olympus Stylus 770 SW. Small camera, but I am satisfied.

JoeyD
09-23-2008, 05:28 PM
I think somone else asked that Efrain, but that is awesome!! I cant wait to see the finished job photos of the Alamo!!! That thing is sweet!!!!

steveparrott
09-24-2008, 10:55 AM
Joey, nice pics and great lighting job. What camera did you use?

A couple pointers:

1. It looks like the focus on many of these shots was set at the background elements. Autofocus at night is hopeless. When I have foreground and background elements, I usually focus somewhere between the two. And, I close down my shutter (higher f-stops) as much as possible to increase depth-of-field.

2. Regarding hot spots; you won't find a single exposure that shows detail directly under fixtures and the darker sorrounding elements. Keep in mind that most digital cameras can only properly expose areas in a frame with about a 10X difference in brightness. Under a fixture, you'll have somewhere between 2 and 10 fc. A shadowed area could be as low as 0.01 fc (a 200 to 1,000x difference). For this reason, you need to take multiple exposures (1 for directly beneath the fixture and another for shadowed areas). Then you bring the files into Photoshop, layer them and carefully overlay the properly exposed under-fixture areas onto the properly exposed shadowed areas.

By the way, I now use a Canon EOS 5D that does a great job. Canon just released a new 5D with great new features that will make our tricky nighttime shots even easier.

pihta
09-24-2008, 10:59 AM
Yes, I also lloking on this new Canon 5D! Very interesting! Even FullHD video!

JoeyD
09-24-2008, 10:59 AM
Joey, nice pics and great lighting job. What camera did you use?

A couple pointers:

1. It looks like the focus on many of these shots was set at the background elements. Autofocus at night is hopeless. When I have foreground and background elements, I usually focus somewhere between the two. And, I close down my shutter (higher f-stops) as much as possible to increase depth-of-field.

2. Regarding hot spots; you won't find a single exposure that shows detail directly under fixtures and the darker sorrounding elements. Keep in mind that most digital cameras can only properly expose areas in a frame with about a 10X difference in brightness. Under a fixture, you'll have somewhere between 2 and 10 fc. A shadowed area could be as low as 0.01 fc (a 200 to 1,000x difference). For this reason, you need to take multiple exposures (1 for directly beneath the fixture and another for shadowed areas). Then you bring the files into Photoshop, layer them and carefully overlay the properly exposed under-fixture areas onto the properly exposed shadowed areas.

By the way, I now use a Canon EOS 5D that does a great job. Canon just released a new 5D with great new features that will make our tricky nighttime shots even easier.


Thanks Steve. I am using a Nikon D70 for these shots. I used an 18-55mm lens for the shots here. I know my guy here can photoshop out the hot spots but I would really like to try and dial in my night time photos as best as possible with limited PS. The focus is something I will have to work on as I did have it on auto focus.

I appreciate the feedback!

cgaengineer
09-24-2008, 11:46 AM
Thanks Steve. I am using a Nikon D70 for these shots. I used an 18-55mm lens for the shots here. I know my guy here can photoshop out the hot spots but I would really like to try and dial in my night time photos as best as possible with limited PS. The focus is something I will have to work on as I did have it on auto focus.

I appreciate the feedback!

Joey,

Keep in mind always error on the side of under exposure...once the highlights are blown that data is gone forever, and last but not least shoot in RAW for your keeper pictures. RAW/NEF will give you the most useable data to play with and will also allow white blance changes without affecting the original file in anyway.

On the D70 you have a screen that will flash the highlights and allow you to re-shoot if over exposed, keep in mind that this screen will almost always have flashing highlights in a night portrait with lighting as there is just too much dynamic range.

You can also try bracketing which will allow 3 shots of differing exposures.

If you have any questions just call me.

JoeyD
09-24-2008, 01:24 PM
Joey,

Keep in mind always error on the side of under exposure...once the highlights are blown that data is gone forever, and last but not least shoot in RAW for your keeper pictures. RAW/NEF will give you the most useable data to play with and will also allow white blance changes without affecting the original file in anyway.

On the D70 you have a screen that will flash the highlights and allow you to re-shoot if over exposed, keep in mind that this screen will almost always have flashing highlights in a night portrait with lighting as there is just too much dynamic range.

You can also try bracketing which will allow 3 shots of differing exposures.

If you have any questions just call me.

You just melted my mind!!! LOL Like this camera when playing with the manual settings!!!

I will definitley call if I cant figure it out. I do appreciate all your help! A little off topic but here are a few pictures of some unbelievable Sand/Pre Runner Cars from this weekend............

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AJhetzke
09-30-2008, 11:43 AM
Nice pics Joey!

JoeyD
09-30-2008, 11:56 AM
Thanks AJ!! Glad to see you are here!!!

EOL
09-30-2008, 12:08 PM
Koooollll!!!!!!!!!!

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:19 PM
Check out a new pic we took of Nate's back yard!!! We toned down a bunch of the lamps and shut certian ones off to eliminate what we felt was too hot on th ehouse.looks good!

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/Nate27s20Greenlight20Panorama2051.jpg

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 02:23 PM
You take this with the D70?

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:24 PM
No, I took some that came out good but this was the best one and was taken by Paul with a cannon EOS..........how are you doing buddy??? I use that D70 religiously!!!

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:26 PM
I was just told it was taken with a Cannon Rebel XTI 10 megapixel....somethin like that

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 02:27 PM
Beautiful picture just the same. How have you been? How is business?

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:32 PM
We are doing really good buisness wise....it has been slower than years past but we are still plugging away with a bunch of new product getting ready to drop!! 24v is blowing up, we cant complain. Just have to weather this little economic storm.

Personally I have been great! My kids are awesome, my wife is awesome! Looking to take advantage of this down houseing market and buy an awesome new house soon. Started a little side buisness for fun to do on the weekends. I am writing articles for a nationally publisized magazine called Side X Side Action which is awesome! I have been enjoying 2009 despite the down economy!!!

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 02:37 PM
Take all that money you plan to spend on a house in California and use it here in Georgia to buy 5 houses!

Good to hear you and your family are doing well. Things are slow in my line of business so I am kinda just hanging out waiting the storm...hopefully things will turn around in a few months.

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:42 PM
Yeah, no GA for me today. I'm locked in Calfornia for atleast a few more years! LOL

We all hope the economy turns around! Keep our fingers crossed it happens sooner than later!

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
03-13-2009, 02:43 PM
That back yard sucks! I mean really... how could you possibly enjoy any time there! :)

(Joey, tell Nate that I will be needing a room sometime soon, something nice, with direct access to the hot tub & pool would be great... thanks! :laugh:)

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 02:44 PM
You probably couldn't hack the climate here!! Its brutal in the summers here, not saying its a beautiful 70-75 year round where you are, but the summers are torture here.

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:47 PM
That back yard sucks! I mean really... how could you possibly enjoy any time there! :)

(Joey, tell Nate that I will be needing a room sometime soon, something nice, with direct access to the hot tub & pool would be great... thanks! :laugh:)

LOL...what you cant see in the picture off to the left is a nice cabana for you with everything you want!! Come on out!! I will set you up!!! LOL :laugh:

You probably couldn't hack the climate here!! Its brutal in the summers here, not saying its a beautiful 70-75 year round where you are, but the summers are torture here.


Your probably right.....I spent a lot of time and still do in Arizona and I hate it!! LOL I can only imagine throwing humidity into the mix! I like being 20minutes from the beach!!

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 02:47 PM
That back yard sucks! I mean really... how could you possibly enjoy any time there! :)

(Joey, tell Nate that I will be needing a room sometime soon, something nice, with direct access to the hot tub & pool would be great... thanks! :laugh:)

Does he even use that backyard? Where are all the childrens toys and floating pool crap?

If that was my house (big IF) it would have 2 dogs, pool floats and toys laying everywhere! Matter of fact I am about 100% sure my dogs would be in that pool!

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 02:50 PM
Your probably right.....I spent a lot of time and still do in Arizona and I hate it!! LOL I can only imagine throwing humidity into the mix! I like being 20minutes from the beach!!

Yeah, 98% humidity is awful! Leave for work in the morning weighing 160, come home weighing 170!

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 02:52 PM
LOL...They have an annoying little chihuaha......it cant swim...it only knows how to do one thing and thats bark! LOL

During the summer that pool is full of floats! My family is always there BBQ'ing and partying it up! My wife loves the spa, its really trick with a bunch of nice jets......That pool gets used!! LOL We use it more than he does!! LOL I love it when he goes out of town!! He is going to read this and kill me...........LMAO

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
03-13-2009, 03:43 PM
Oh crap... hmmm a barky little dog? That won't do at all. I guess it will have to be the Ho-Jo's for us. :(

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 03:48 PM
you canadians are so damn picky!!!



LOL

cgaengineer
03-13-2009, 03:50 PM
Oh crap... hmmm a barky little dog? That won't do at all. I guess it will have to be the Ho-Jo's for us. :(

Tie his leash to a brick and take him swimming!!:rolleyes::rolleyes: Nevermind, Joey said he couldn't swim anyway...no sense in chancing a chip in the gunite with a brick!!


Disclaimer:I actually love dogs and would never do something like this!

TXNSLighting
03-13-2009, 04:04 PM
you canadians are so damn picky!!!



LOL

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

klkanders
03-13-2009, 06:53 PM
That pool gets used!! LOL We use it more than he does!! LOL I love it when he goes out of town!! He is going to read this and kill me...........LMAO

Umm when is Nate going out of town again? :) So do you have keys Joey?
Just the lighting regulars here to attend. I am envisioning the pool party scene from Caddyshack!!! :)

Keith

JoeyD
03-13-2009, 06:55 PM
I got full access!! I will notify everyone!! LOL

klkanders
03-13-2009, 07:04 PM
No Baby Ruth candy bars near the pool please! :)

klkanders
03-13-2009, 07:33 PM
Sorry Joey I couldn't help myself.
Beautiful picture...I forgot to mention that! :)

MAGLIGHTING
03-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Check out a new pic we took of Nate's back yard!!! We toned down a bunch of the lamps and shut certian ones off to eliminate what we felt was too hot on th ehouse.looks good!

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/Nate27s20Greenlight20Panorama2051.jpg

Great photo Joey. Beautiful house Nate has. Just shows what hard work can achieve.

Mr. Quik electric
03-14-2009, 01:56 AM
Love those laminar jets! Very sweet setup and excellent pic Joey.

JoeyD
03-16-2009, 11:59 AM
Thanks Guys!!