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bmwsmity
09-18-2008, 08:50 PM
Okay, just got a few sample LED fixtures from Kichler today...

I gotta say, I'm totally impressed. VERY bright, and great color temp...definitely what they claim.

Here are some side by side pics. 35w 60deg. Prism Halogen vs. 35w equivalent 35deg. Kichler LED. (sorry, didnt have a quality 35w 35deg. bulb handy).

The color rendering from my so-so camera isn't exactly true to life, but it gets the point across i think...

LED is on the right...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/LEDComparison049.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/LEDComparison037.jpg
50w equivalent 35deg. Kichler LED on a tree...

I gotta say, the 50w almost looks like a HID light it is so white and intense...

Tomorrow I start installing 75 of these things (mostly 35w equiv. 60deg.), so hopefully I can get some lit up to get some more pics if things go quickly enough....

My doubts have been smashed....

Chris J
09-18-2008, 09:09 PM
A more accurate comparison would be if you used a 38 degree MR16.. I'm wondering if spread lenses are in the future for Kichler LEDs?

bmwsmity
09-18-2008, 09:17 PM
I know... I did pop in a cruddy quality 38degree mr16....but it had such a nasty greenish tint i didnt think it would give a good illustration...

My main concern was the lumen output and the color temp...

These things are BRIGHT and nice and warm light..

Also nice, they can actually be handled with bare hands to adjust when illuminated, unlike a copper halogen that will melt skin...

bmwsmity
09-19-2008, 10:39 PM
i got the majority of the lights in the front installed today, and I've gotta say these LED's are absolutely PHENOMENAL!

125' run of 16/2 running 3 35w equivalent lights... only had to use the 13v tap...only 3 amps load... just crazy the potential...

i didn't get to take any pics yet, but it looked astounding and the clients are THRILLED with the look of the LED's.

pics coming monday...

Chris J
09-20-2008, 06:48 PM
I told you that you would like them!

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
09-21-2008, 07:42 AM
I see a big difference in the optics between the LED fixture on the right side of that shed and the Halogen on the left. You would have to keep this in mind when planning to use those fixtures in achitectural grazing / highlighting applications.

Also, there is the issue of the form of the Kichler LED fixtures. I (and many others) think that they are rather ugly. They have put function ahead of form in the design of the line. This might work for some, but for others, the look and ability to seamlessly integrate the fixtures into the property is very important.

Just my .02

NightLightingFX
09-21-2008, 12:50 PM
Ooooo! James,
Those are fightin words, you better put your boxing gloves on, I have a feelin Chris will be comin after ya for those comments.

The Lighting Geek
09-21-2008, 12:57 PM
I just finished a job with Kichler LEDs as the up lights and you can't tell they are LED. The customer wanted LEDs because the well lights and bullets are too high temperature in the dry leaves for their liking. I used Unique fixtures everywhere else and you can't tell the difference in color temp. I put the up lights on a separate trany and only needed a 600w for 50 8.5w LEDs, that's crazy.

S&MLL
09-21-2008, 01:11 PM
"I put the up lights on a separate trany and only needed a 600w for 50 8.5w LEDs, that's crazy."

Isn't it crazy. Kichler put the 15 year warranty on the fixture & FINISH. There are alot of guys that look down upon Kichler but for the price its a great deal. The amount of money in the long run its going to save. Plus if I never had to lug around a 1200 watt trans again I would be very happy.

David Gretzmier
09-22-2008, 12:29 AM
So I guess folks are not following James advice of wiring these things up just like Halogen in the event of LED issues? Roll them dice baby !

Chris J
09-22-2008, 05:35 AM
Not wiring it that way is one of the huge benefits of the technology. If one is going to still use conventional methods, including the same wire and amount of it, then what is the point of using it anyway. The only benefit your pulling out of this is the longevity of the lamps. Kind of defeats the purpose altogether, don't you think?

steveparrott
09-22-2008, 09:47 AM
Okay, just got a few sample LED fixtures from Kichler today...


If feasible, I suggest you take a footcandle reading of the beam at its center at a fixed distance. This will give you a starting point so you can check every year or so to measure how quickly the brightness diminishes.

Ideally you will also take a color reading (although color meters are expensive).

As you know, LED's diminish in brightness and change color as they age.

If the 40,000 hr. stated life is real, then you should lose about 1% brightness per 2,000 hr operation (about a year).

There's a great deal of skepticism among researchers about whether or not the new high powered LED's will live up to their claims. Time will tell.

bmwsmity
09-29-2008, 10:26 PM
Okay, finally finished this project and have some pics... turned out okay for only a 7mp $200 digital cam....

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter099.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter173.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter158.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter145.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter130.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter114.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter105.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter073.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff204/s2lightscapes/KeatingAfter045.jpg

That's 75 LED's and 32 Unique Illuminator 6's.... and about 1750 feet of wire..

The neighbors are EXTREMELY jealous... one said that he came home the other night and just sat in his car and stared at it... LOL!

Most fixtures were the 8.5w (35w equivalent) 60deg. The two pillars in front are 4.5w (20w equivalent) 35deg. Above the front entry are the 12.5w (50w equiv.).

Beware when designing guys...the 4.5w fixture does NOT come in a 60deg. wide flood....only narrow or 35deg. Thats one mistake that will certainly cost you big time.

I have to say, these things saved me so much time.... I'm usually within a few hours when estimating time, and I finished 14 HOURS ahead of schedule - amazing! So much time saved not having to check voltage at every fixture, unpack and install bulbs and grease seals and sockets, etc.

bmwsmity
09-29-2008, 10:37 PM
One other note...these things have absolutely ZERO glare shielding - but you can buy add-on cowls for at least the 8.5 and 12.5 watt models (maybe the 4.5's too), which I HIGHLY recommend estimating in, because I'm going to go back and add a bunch, especially over the garage and over the entry.

They also don't offer any additional kinds of lenses as of now - not hex louvers, not colored lenses, nothing. I would bet they will come out with some though as they catch on.

Chris J
09-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Nice work smity.

TXNSLighting
09-29-2008, 10:41 PM
Pretty dang nice minus the path lights in the grass. Looks like a fun project.

bmwsmity
09-29-2008, 10:45 PM
Pretty dang nice minus the path lights in the grass. Looks like a fun project.

LOL... yeah, I hated putting path lights in the grass, but they were upon request of the client, and as long as it's not going to hurt them in the end, I do what they say.

It was a REALLY fun project...one of those where everything just goes well. Hell, an animal had tunneled under a sidewalk right where I needed to put some wire - cant get much better than that!

The only thing that really pissed me off was when their dog kept digging up the wire I just buried about 2 minutes previously haha...

Chris, you were right man, those things are BRIGHT!!!!

JoeyD
09-30-2008, 10:54 AM
Very nice looking!!!!

EOL
09-30-2008, 11:17 AM
Its cool to hear that your customers sat in their car and admired your work. I know when I hear stories like that about my work it means alot. Great work.

jshimmin
09-30-2008, 04:19 PM
Are the path lights LED's as well? If so, where did they come from?

bmwsmity
10-01-2008, 09:00 AM
unfortunately not... they are Unique Illuminator 6's, which I LOVE!

one cool thing i didn't expect is that these are shipping with 20,000 hour bulbs now!! so, even at 10 yours a day these things will last about 5 years...crazy.

once again, Unique makes my life easier and more profitable.

Gatewayuser
10-04-2008, 10:12 PM
Ohhhh I see how it is he's taking all of the credit again :nono:


I was the ladder holder on one light. lol

bmwsmity
10-06-2008, 09:15 AM
Ohhhh I see how it is he's taking all of the credit again :nono:


I was the ladder holder on one light. lol

That he was... an expert ladder holder and delivery man :laugh: thanks again nick

NiteTymeIlluminations
10-07-2008, 08:23 AM
hey guys, how's it going...nice job s2...you know for 5 years i'v been meaning to ask you what your name meant...please enlighten...

I have some led jobs projects in the works as well, Didn't use kichler as they just arent going to hold up in my situation but maybe someday they start a little more arch grade line for us.

Someone is going to say...why wont they hold up? I just underwent a cat 4 hurricane, we lost almost every single tree over 30 feet, most came crashing down right on the lights and I had to fly down right after the storm to salvage and reorder...almost every single fixture, spot light that is survived. Tall post lights not so lucky...lol...I'm glad to see them go anyway...

by the way...1 more year of a non compete clause...

Dont worry no interest in being a stocking distributor again but I have plans, website in the works and mfrs lining up to help me...

Good job! Call me sometime! You get a hold of Tommy when you needed him?

bmwsmity
10-07-2008, 09:59 PM
good hearing from you doug...

S2 was because the biz was originally started with both of us - 2 Smiths, hence S2.

you know i always enjoyed doing business with you man, just keep me in the loop.

yes, i've done some business with Tommy. he was generous enough to give me a referral before i'd ordered anything with him yet - something i can't say WC has EVER done for me.

I was super stoked that Tommy can get me Ushio bi-pins...those prisms were crap.... I couldn't believe that WC corporate wouldn't allow the branch to stock Ushios... I'm sure this aggravates S.M. there to no end...poor guy.

see ya round...