View Full Version : Liteclip strip for c9's
09-23-2008, 09:26 PM
I got a sample of these a few years ago from litesource and never really used them. anybody here tried them?
On commercial I used parapet clips up until a few years ago when I went to hotglue and silicone. I went away from parapet clips and v-shingle tabs because of the huge time of install and parapets disappearing and having to reglue 10% of them every year. This liteclip strip seems more likely to stay up year after year given it's greater mass and larger area to glue, and knowing how much faster v-tabs reinstall on parapets as compared to hotglue and silicone, I am hoping reinstall on these strips is just as fast. pricewise with clips it get's your attention, but I figure it will make up for it in labor and material savings over parapet install and replacement. let me know guys- this time I'm asking YOUR advice.
I'm looking at a 2000 plus bulb install on a commercial building, so don't hold back.
09-23-2008, 10:31 PM
I just read thier website. Looks like about 50 cents perfoot for the clips and all, but it does look far faster. Right now I glue down the par clips and snap the shingle tabs on. this I bet takes less time and less glue. So I would guess this saves money over all.
I have the perfect building to try these on this year!
09-23-2008, 11:49 PM
it seems like it may be a lot of over kill? A lot more stuff to put up? But then I guess you would have space to manuever the clip if needed for slack, tightening...
also seems like it would stand out more than a par clip... would something such as liquid nails not be stronger than hot glue and silicone? I believe this may have been covered before with the time it takes to set... what about that one commercial wher the guy glued the hammer to the ceiling? What product was that?
09-24-2008, 07:30 AM
The link is gone..........
09-24-2008, 10:07 AM
09-24-2008, 11:51 PM
powergrab is the hammer to ceiling product- that is an indoor type construction adhesive. It has a high initial grab, but outdoors I would probably stick ( ha ha) to 100% silicone and masking tape to hold it initially. There is also a liquid nails product specifically for bonding plastic to metal, but for some reason, The plastic used in parapet clips are so slick on the back that they pop off really easy, no matter what you use.
Other things I like about the liteclip strip as opposed to parapets, no measuring, just lay it all out end to end, looks like saving a lot of time. 5 feet at a time verses one clip at a time. the clips that go on the c-9's or c-7's are flat, not L-shaped, so much less likely to tangle and you can get more on the spools we wind lights back up on. It also appears that the act of installing them, a push down, does not rip off the strips, unlike parapets a push out to go in the v-tab.
The big negative is the cost. I am looking at a building with close to 3000 feet or so, and liteclip verses parapet and shingle, about a 40% increase in cost of clips, somewhat offset by a decrease in labor this year and following years. It would be nice to find someone who have used these for 10 years to determine the durability.
09-26-2008, 10:56 PM
Spoke with the inventor of liteclip today,was really impressed. He has had this out there for 10 years now, and it is impregnated with a very strong UV inhibitor. He has also been doing Christmas lights for around 20 years or so. really neat guy and I hope to have more conversations with him. After speaking with him I feel very confident in this system and will be trying it if I get this bid next week.
10-01-2008, 02:43 PM
Do you have some pics of your demo clips you have? I have a commercial project to use these on, but would like to see a pic before I order them!
The more I read about them, the more I like the idea!
10-01-2008, 10:22 PM
Don't have pics, but they are in the litesource catalog on page 21 I think. There is also a liteclip.com or something similar that has a technical drawing.
10-02-2008, 10:04 AM
Yeah, I've seen both of those, I was just looking for a real life pic if you had one.
10-18-2008, 02:58 PM
Thought I'd give you guys an update- The liteclip strip has went well on the project. We used the white track with the white c-9 clips. We put down 2250 feet of track or so , and it took about 2 days for 2 guys. The fastest install method is for one guy to lay dots of adhesive every 8 inches ahead of guy 2 laying track on the edge. We still have to install the c-9 clips bulbs on 15 inch spacing cord, and run extension cords and timer everything. but laying the track, at least in nice weather, has went well.
We used Marine Goop waterproof caulk, and it bonds very well to plastic/metal and concrete plastic. It took about 30 tubes to do 2250 feet using nickel size dots every 8 inches. at 12 bucks a tube, this stuff is the most expensive adhesive I have used. Supposedly it will work on boats underwater in salt water. I will be happy for 10 years of adhesion above water in -10 to 110 degree temps on a roof.
The track is much smaller in width than I originally thought. It is probably only 1 inch wide with a 1/4" round bulb in the middle running 5 foot lengthwise. I had expected it to be 2 inches wide and look like trim on a building. This stuff looks more like the smallest trim in a 3 piece crown molding setup . It absolutely is the same hard vinyl used in vinyl windows. It feels like quality. You do have to cut the track at every line in the metal, where the metal crafters joined the caps for the parapet walls, as the adhesive is not thick enough to touch the metal and plastic together.
I got some extra to try track around windows and also got some mini-light clips to try and make perfect window frames. Since these will have vertical elements, I will be using outdoor Powergrab stuff, which is new, like the hammer to the ceiling commercial.
In all , at this point, I can safely say it is way faster than the parapet clip/shingle tab method, and rolling up the spools at takedown ( smaller clips) and reinstall shoud be faster as well. For some reason, laying track is not as monotnous as a parapet clip every 10-12 inches, and it looks way better, like trim or a reflection/shadow line.
10-22-2008, 04:10 PM
I just ordered some of these tracks to try out on one of my commercial strip malls, I'm glad you made this post, cuz I was worried it wasn't gonna work out as well as the parapet clips, but now I'm excited to test it out.
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