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trainerboy
10-05-2008, 11:40 AM
I just took the plunge and bought a Lastec 73" with the 35HP Vangaurd big block :weightlifter:. I bought off their website earlier this week during their fire sale. I think I did ok on it, it lists in the 15K range and I got it for $9,035. That is with the foot controls (love that idea), mulch kit, free set of high lift blades, and a extra oil filter.
My biggest pet peeve is to scalp a customers yard. It ticks me off more than the customer. I hope this machine will increase my productivity with its deck size and HP while eliminating scalping completely.
I'll let everyone know how it performs. Does anybody out there have any long term experience with these machines? I'm looking for a heads up on any area I need to keep an eye on.

I also need a 7x18 or 8.5x18 enclosed trailer if anybody knows of one to point me to, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Turf Dawg
10-05-2008, 11:53 AM
Congrats! Sounds like you got a great deal. Keep us informed on the cut, I am wondering how these do on short grasses like Bermuda.

jtkplc
10-05-2008, 12:44 PM
I was looking at one of these machines earlier in the year but what turned me away was that it only went 10 mph. I wish they went faster because I need that productivity. I love the idea of having the productivity of a 72" deck but no scalping issues. I don't see why they couldn't put 21cc pumps on it to give it more ground speed. I went with an Exmark XS and couldn't be more happy. I'm sure if I EVER get a demo of a Lastec that I would not be as happy with the XS.

trainerboy
10-05-2008, 12:59 PM
Yeah, I was dissapointed in the gorund speed too. I think it has 18cc pumps on it, and if I'm not mistaken they are mounted tandem. I could probably put bigger ones on in the future. I'm used to that speed though, my 52" Dixon Kodiak only does 9mph. Most of the time I can actually only mow at about 7mph so my reaction time is good for potential scalp areas. If I can mow at full speed with this thing and never scalp I think I will be on cloud 9.
I've talked to several hustler and Dixie Chopper owners and they pretty much all say the same thing. They can only mow in the 10mph range (with some scalping). The only time they can realy open up those pumps and kick it up to 15mph is when they are spreading around the wind rows of grass with their decks raised up. Most of them say the 15mph will beat you to death anyway.
I reeeeeally wanted a Walker with all the goodies but refuse to buy a mower (especially that much) that only has a ground speed of 5mph. I know they have an attachment to kick it up to 6.5, but that isn't going to cut it. (pun intended).

Ill let everyone know how it does. I have about 3 to mow tomorrow and my new toy should come in on the Fed-Ex truck at 8am.

cpel2004
10-05-2008, 01:15 PM
Let us know about the scalping? I have never operated a 70"+ deck, but I hear many LCO dont like them because of the "scalping" issues. Congrats on your new toy.

trainerboy
10-05-2008, 01:20 PM
Does anyone know what the best weedeater is?

I want enough power to cut a car in half, but I don't want to take out a second mortgage to buy it or suspend it from a crane while using it.

I've been ooogling over the Stihl FS250R. It has a 40cc 2 stroke and weighs 13 lbs.

Does anyone have one for sale?????*newusflag*

Brian

bob
10-05-2008, 05:15 PM
I've been ooogling over the Stihl FS250R. It has a 40cc 2 stroke and weighs 13 lbs.



In the trimmer world, thats a big trimmer! If you do a lot of trimming, that 13lbs will feel like 50lbs at the end of the day.

mgray10
10-05-2008, 06:48 PM
Does anyone know what the best weedeater is?

I want enough power to cut a car in half, but I don't want to take out a second mortgage to buy it or suspend it from a crane while using it.

I've been ooogling over the Stihl FS250R. It has a 40cc 2 stroke and weighs 13 lbs.

Does anyone have one for sale?????*newusflag*

Brian

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trainerboy
10-05-2008, 06:54 PM
I know it was off topic. The original thread was mine. I was trying to post a completly new thread about the weed eater but accidentally tacked it on to this thread. I reposted it by itself since then.
I'm a newby here....still trying to learn the ins & outs

Brian

mowin at the lake
10-05-2008, 09:11 PM
You might check the website for waynoka (ok) under the message board I seen a used enclosed.It was less that 1 year old.

kane

American_Lawn
10-05-2008, 10:50 PM
When I worked at my local college we had a toro 72in front mount. I never saw any problems with scalping. We mow with it everyday and it was actually fun using that huge thing. Also, it was pretty flat there. We mostly mowed around 3-3.5 inches.

Razorblades
10-05-2008, 11:19 PM
Yeah, I was dissapointed in the gorund speed too. I think it has 18cc pumps on it, and if I'm not mistaken they are mounted tandem. I could probably put bigger ones on in the future. I'm used to that speed though, my 52" Dixon Kodiak only does 9mph. Most of the time I can actually only mow at about 7mph so my reaction time is good for potential scalp areas. If I can mow at full speed with this thing and never scalp I think I will be on cloud 9.
I've talked to several hustler and Dixie Chopper owners and they pretty much all say the same thing. They can only mow in the 10mph range (with some scalping). The only time they can realy open up those pumps and kick it up to 15mph is when they are spreading around the wind rows of grass with their decks raised up. Most of them say the 15mph will beat you to death anyway.
I reeeeeally wanted a Walker with all the goodies but refuse to buy a mower (especially that much) that only has a ground speed of 5mph. I know they have an attachment to kick it up to 6.5, but that isn't going to cut it. (pun intended).

Ill let everyone know how it does. I have about 3 to mow tomorrow and my new toy should come in on the Fed-Ex truck at 8am.

As I said in a reply to you in the other Lastec thread, my Lastec will go about 12 Mph. The extra speed of the faster Brands out there can be utilized by some cutters if their accounts are smooth enough, large enough and they're not cutting tough bahia sometimes bi weekly. It all depends on the mowing conditions and frequency on whether the extra speed can be utilized to acheive the desired quality of cut. If you're mowing any large areas that have undulations, contours, uneven slopes on ditches or other areas, the Lastec will give a better, more precise cut in these areas, no doubt about it. You can also mow around shrubs, trees, landscaping at a faster speed without leaving dips and/ or rings around them like most 72" midmount mowers would do.

trainerboy
10-05-2008, 11:26 PM
Thank you for the info, It really helps. I can't wait to fire that thing up and blaze a trail.
I have 2 acres I need to mow tomorrow that will put it to the test. No trees, just a vacant 2 acre lot. It has some slight dips and waves that my dixon scalps if I'm running full speed, so it will really put this thing to the test. I'm going to even use a stop watch.

Brian

puppypaws
10-06-2008, 12:55 AM
I've talked to several hustler and Dixie Chopper owners and they pretty much all say the same thing. They can only mow in the 10mph range (with some scalping). The only time they can realy open up those pumps and kick it up to 15mph is when they are spreading around the wind rows of grass with their decks raised up. Most of them say the 15mph will beat you to death anyway.
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Not true, I mow at 15 mph 60% of the time on a Hustler Super Z, 66" deck with flex forks and flex seat at 2 3/4". I have places I will only mow in one direction to move the grass off the mowed areas, some of these are 300' to 500' runs. I just turn around and go back in the same path I just cut, this is actually double cutting. The mower is so fast you don't feel like you are wasting hardly any time, slower mowers would drive me crazy doing this.

This mower rides easier than any on the market, including Ferris. The only way to tell is to cut with a mower at 15 mph and there is not but three on the market, Dixie, Hustler and Bad Boy AOS model that is capable of this.

You can get on a 12 mph mower such as a Scag TT and it will ride rough but if you stepped it up to 15 mph you could not stay in the seat. The flex forks and flex seat make all the difference, take them away and the Hustler would be hard to ride at 15 mph, you could do it but would be a lot more beat up. I mow places at 10 mph you would need to slow other mowers on the market down to 5 mph just to stand the jarring.

I can promise you one thing, the 35 Vanguard want slow down for anything. That engine is so strong it will never change sounds with your 72" deck. Come back and tell us how strong you think the 35 is after you run it.

mag360
10-06-2008, 02:14 PM
Faster speed actually rides a little smoother as long as there are no big bumps. 15mph in an open field with few imperfections will feel smoother than 10mph in the same field. It's when you hit the big bumps that you'd better look out.

Apples
10-06-2008, 07:36 PM
Did you get your mower? Is it as nice as you expected? Good luck with it!

trainerboy
10-06-2008, 09:40 PM
Did you get your mower? Is it as nice as you expected? Good luck with it!
Yes!!!!
Got it. It is a MONSTER!!!!
I didn't get to use it.....It started raining about an hour before the truck arrived. I just got to crawl around and under it to see how it ticks. I can say one thing, it has tight and responsive controls. I'm going to have to get used to the foot controls, but everything else is like silk. At just half throttle it rolled up my trailer ramp without the hydros even making a sound, (just a little test).
Weather is calling for rain tomorrow too......this is my luck.

I'll post an update after I knock out some lawns.

Brian

jtkplc
10-06-2008, 11:00 PM
The engine is definitely a monster. On my 72" Exmark XS, I can engage the blades at idle with the 35hp Vanguard!

puppypaws
10-06-2008, 11:26 PM
The engine is definitely a monster. On my 72" Exmark XS, I can engage the blades at idle with the 35hp Vanguard!

I want your honest opinion, on your 72" deck have you cut anything that fazed the 35 Vanguard? I'm talking about to the point of hearing the engine sound like it would come close to dropping rpms? How many hrs. are on the engine, is the fuel consumption extremely high?

trainerboy
10-08-2008, 08:04 AM
I want your honest opinion, on your 72" deck have you cut anything that fazed the 35 Vanguard? I'm talking about to the point of hearing the engine sound like it would come close to dropping rpms? How many hrs. are on the engine, is the fuel consumption extremely high?
I'm going to get to use my new today (the one I got Monday that started this original thread). It's been raining since I got it but it is clear skies today. I have some really tall stuff I'm going to test it on, so I will be able to chime in on your question later. I know you originally asked jtkplc but now you'll get 2 opinions for the price of one.
Everyone I have talked to running these big decks and 35hp monsters say that they run at a lower rpm (TRUE...mine hums much lower than my 21hp kawasaki on my Dixon) and with the bigger deck you get done quicker thus not running the engine as long. These two factors should bring the fuel consumption down to an average size ZTR with the average HP motor. I guess everything always depends on conditions.

*****NOTE***** Everyone needs to remember that for every 1000 feet of elevation an engine looses 3% of its horspower. This will explain a lot of engine performance differences that people are having. This is also going to change fuel consumption in these engines. This elevation/horspower notification will be on your owners manual for the engine, not the mower and it is true for all gas engines, brand does not matter. However, I don't know much about diesels, that may not apply to them since they have such a high compression ratio. Someone else might be able to chime in on the diesel aspect.
I know someone is going to chime in and call BS on this posting but it is just simple physics and IT IS noted on EVERY gasoline engine manual.

jtkplc
10-08-2008, 08:16 AM
I want your honest opinion, on your 72" deck have you cut anything that fazed the 35 Vanguard? I'm talking about to the point of hearing the engine sound like it would come close to dropping rpms? How many hrs. are on the engine, is the fuel consumption extremely high?

I don't think I've cut anything yet that has made the rpm's drop. I've tried to get the rpm's to drop by blowing all of the cut grass into the uncut area in really tall grass. Even then it doesn't phase it. I'm sure if I went through it at 12mph I would hear the rpm's drop.

I just put 100 hours on it yesterday.

I don't have any hard consumption numbers for fuel, however I'm using Ethos in it and if I had to guess I would say it's around 1.75 to 2 gph.

puppypaws
10-08-2008, 08:46 AM
I don't think I've cut anything yet that has made the rpm's drop. I've tried to get the rpm's to drop by blowing all of the cut grass into the uncut area in really tall grass. Even then it doesn't phase it. I'm sure if I went through it at 12mph I would hear the rpm's drop.

I just put 100 hours on it yesterday.

I don't have any hard consumption numbers for fuel, however I'm using Ethos in it and if I had to guess I would say it's around 1.75 to 2 gph.

The big block Vanguards are unbelievably powerful, it is really hard to understand what they are capable of until you experience it yourself.

I'm going to get to use my new today (the one I got Monday that started this original thread). It's been raining since I got it but it is clear skies today. I have some really tall stuff I'm going to test it on, so I will be able to chime in on your question later. I know you originally asked jtkplc but now you'll get 2 opinions for the price of one.

*****NOTE***** Everyone needs to remember that for every 1000 feet of elevation an engine looses 3% of its horspower. This will explain a lot of engine performance differences that people are having. This is also going to change fuel consumption in these engines. This elevation/horspower notification will be on your owners manual for the engine, not the mower and it is true for all gas engines, brand does not matter. However, I don't know much about diesels, that may not apply to them since they have such a high compression ratio. Someone else might be able to chime in on the diesel aspect.
I know someone is going to chime in and call BS on this posting but it is just simple physics and IT IS noted on EVERY gasoline engine manual.

Can't wait to hear your opinion after you see what the big block will do, I'll promise it will blow your mind.

You are correct on the elevation analogy, people's lungs aren't as efficient as elevation increases either.

jtkplc
10-08-2008, 09:28 AM
The big block Vanguards are unbelievably powerful, it is really hard to understand what they are capable of until you experience it yourself.



Can't wait to hear your opinion after you see what the big block will do, I'll promise it will blow your mind.

You are correct on the elevation analogy, people's lungs aren't as efficient as elevation increases either.

I was mowing the house next to me last night which went to foreclosure and it hasn't been mowed in 6 weeks or so. There were some leaves down and I was cutting off about 8 inches of grass. A few different times I was throwing grass/leaves 3 passes back. It blew my mind how far it was throwing the grass/leaves. That's about 18 feet and the Big Block never even struggled. Simply amazing.

Flex-Deck
10-08-2008, 08:51 PM
I have never been on a Lastec, but from experience I will guarantee you will love the flexible deck concept. Your mowing jobs will be just a step above your competitors. Your stress levels will almost dissappear.

trainerboy
10-08-2008, 09:45 PM
I have never been on a Lastec, but from experience I will guarantee you will love the flexible deck concept. Your mowing jobs will be just a step above your competitors. Your stress levels will almost dissappear.
You couldn't be more right about the stress levels dropping.....

I just got in and got cleaned up from my new Lastecs maiden voyage.

picture this.....you go to the zoo and while your looking at the gorilla's you see that the HUGE silverback alpha male is on a rampage of distruction, then at that moment....the railing snaps and you fall in the pit right on top of the silverback ticking him off 10 times more...............THAT.....IS HOW PETRAFIED MY LOCAL COMPETING LCO'S SHOULD BE OF ME!!!!!
This thing is a must have for any LCO in my opinion. I don't care if you are so hell bent hard core for one specific brand (like some people I have been reading about) you should do your lawn care business a favor and at least demo one of these things.
I mowed the 2 acres across from my house. No trees, just 2 joining vacant country lots, both with ditches. from the time I engaged my blades till the time I shut them off = 24 minutes & 43 seconds. I was cutting about 4" of grass off (they only want them done every 3 weeks). That was $100 for less than 25 minutes.
NOT BAD
absolutely no complaints what so ever. The deck, the motor, the hydro's, and the RIDE was all second to none.

Brian

Razorblades
10-09-2008, 12:21 AM
Brian, Congrats' once again on your new mower. How did it do on the ditches? Have you noticed that the seat height is pretty low on the Lastecs? Keep us posted on how it works out on the different conditions that you use it.

mag360
10-09-2008, 10:50 AM
Let us know how you do with buildup under the deck. The pictures of one of the machines for sale on their site had the underside of the wing visible and it appeared to be packed with crap.

puppypaws
10-09-2008, 11:55 AM
You couldn't be more right about the stress levels dropping.....

I just got in and got cleaned up from my new Lastecs maiden voyage.

picture this.....you go to the zoo and while your looking at the gorilla's you see that the HUGE silverback alpha male is on a rampage of distruction, then at that moment....the railing snaps and you fall in the pit right on top of the silverback ticking him off 10 times more...............THAT.....IS HOW PETRAFIED MY LOCAL COMPETING LCO'S SHOULD BE OF ME!!!!!
This thing is a must have for any LCO in my opinion. I don't care if you are so hell bent hard core for one specific brand (like some people I have been reading about) you should do your lawn care business a favor and at least demo one of these things.
I mowed the 2 acres across from my house. No trees, just 2 joining vacant country lots, both with ditches. from the time I engaged my blades till the time I shut them off = 24 minutes & 43 seconds. I was cutting about 4" of grass off (they only want them done every 3 weeks). That was $100 for less than 25 minutes.
NOT BAD
absolutely no complaints what so ever. The deck, the motor, the hydro's, and the RIDE was all second to none.

Brian

The 35 had no idea it was having to work because it never changed sounds. When you find something (if you can) to make the governor kick in; please let us know, I want to hear what it was?