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INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-06-2008, 09:15 AM
Landscape Lighting Lawn Care and Landscape business owners discuss Landscape Lighting, a growing segment of the Green Industry and a great add-on service!

Ok, don't you guys think we have been at this long enough, and displayed enough knowledge and professionalism to warrant a change in the outdated, clunky, and factually incorrect forum heading? I sure do.

Clearly the vast majority of regular contributors to this forum are not "Lawn Care & Landscape business owners" who think of Lighting as a "great add-on service".

So how about updating this forum heading. It really is demeaning.

Lite4
10-06-2008, 10:02 AM
Your right. I agree on a change. This is factually inacurate with the representation here.

TXNSLighting
10-06-2008, 10:29 AM
Ill agree here!

irrig8r
10-06-2008, 11:38 AM
You know of course James that lighting continues to be sold as an additional "profit center"...

Ewing for instance held a seminar with that as the topic last week in Santa Cruz, CA.

In fact when I enrolled in a joint KKW (distributor at the time) and Nightscaping seminar in 1989 it was sold to me that way too.

Maybe in other areas where the growing season is shorter there are more lighting specialists. Here in California it's harder to be a "one trick pony", especially in a tough economy. I suspect that the vast majority of lighting installers are C-27s (licensed landscape contractors).

I think that you're off the mark as far as how many who contribute to this forum do "lighting only". Conduct a poll if you like.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-06-2008, 01:16 PM
You know Gregg, you might just be right. There may be more numbers of landscapers and irrigators and such who offer LV outdoor lighting systems in their product/service mix then there are "lighting only" operators... but I wonder if you compared volume who is doing more lighting? I would suspect the small handfull of lighting only contractors here in my Province outstrip the total sales of lighting done by the one stop shop operators by a large percentage.

I just think it is time for the green industry to stop thinking of Outdoor LV Lighting Systems as a convenient "Add on service". I would suspect that most members of the AOLP might support me in this desire too. We have all seen the effects generated and the quality of the systems installed by those who view Outdoor Lighting as an "Add on service". (There are, as always, exceptions to the rule.)

In the end, the Heading used by Lawnsite for this particular forum is not very representative of the people who regularly participate here.

Have a great day.

JoeyD
10-06-2008, 05:05 PM
I had never even noticed that header until you brought it up...............

Mike M
10-06-2008, 05:12 PM
James. It's L-a-w-n-s-i-t-e.

irrig8r
10-06-2008, 10:33 PM
You know Gregg, you might just be right. ... but I wonder if you compared volume who is doing more lighting?


You are probably right. And especially so as regards lighting on structures or beyond easy ladder reach.

Malibu landscape
10-07-2008, 08:00 PM
My guess is that distributors probably make more sales to so called one stop shops combined than to lighting only contractors. At least around here I'm sure. I don't know of many lighting only companies here.

If I'm correct I doubt that you'd get much support from that organization if it's made up of manufacturers and distributors and one stop shops. Just my humble opinion though.

irrig8r
10-07-2008, 08:20 PM
My guess is that distributors probably make more sales to so called one stop shops combined than to lighting only contractors. At least around here I'm sure. I don't know of many lighting only companies here.

If I'm correct I doubt that you'd get much support from that organization if it's made up of manufacturers and distributors and one stop shops. Just my humble opinion though.

Of course that depends on which kind of distributor you use. Lighting manufacturers distribute through irrigation supply houses, but also through electrical distributors.

There are probably more electricians than you realize installing low voltage outdoor lighting. And I'll bet a lot of the "lighting only" guys go through distributors with an online presence like Terradek, FOLD, CLL, etc.

Malibu landscape
10-07-2008, 08:37 PM
Oh I'm quite aware of the electricians (bless their little hearts). I know one has been on the job when I see 1 #10 coming from a buck boost and most of the lights are aluminum dabmar. The closer is the red wire nuts direct buried sometimes with clear silicone injected from a tube , sometimes not.

klkanders
10-07-2008, 08:45 PM
I guess I'm a "Lighting Mutt" but I realize the benefits of going with an on-line lighting distributor. I could go with a local irrigation distributor but choose not too.

NightLightingFX
10-07-2008, 08:55 PM
And I'll bet a lot of the "lighting only" guys go through distributors with an online presence like Terradek, FOLD, CLL, etc.

That is what I do.
~Ned

The Lighting Geek
10-07-2008, 09:42 PM
That is what I do.
~Ned

I prefer the old school method on tf, fixtures, and wire. The face to face relationship is better and we move too fast to wait for a shipment. I buy my bulk items online like fuses, crimps, etc. Too many times there is an add on or a change. Last week we installed 100+ fixtures, half was added midway through the job when they wanted the front done too. I am finding with this economy you need to be able to be flexible and fast.

TXNSLighting
10-07-2008, 10:55 PM
I wish i had a local supplier for my unique stuff. That would really help.

Sean Adams
10-08-2008, 10:29 AM
Fair enough guys...you tell me what we should retitle and describe the section as and I will make the change....post your suggestions and we (meaning us and you) will pick the best one and make the change

NightLightingFX
10-08-2008, 12:32 PM
A couple reasons why I don't do a lot of business with local distributors:
1) I try to do business with AOLP members, 2) I would prefer to do business with professionals that are knowledgable in outdoor lighting - my locals are hacks, however, they are getting better since they have taken on Cast. 3) They don't carry what I use - They don't have Unique, The Cast is tempting. 4) They have minimal inventory - If they have to ship it in I might as well order it myself. 5) Some of my other sources are less expensive. I do buy my wire from one local distributor. And since they have taken on Cast. I have seen an improvement in thier engineering philosophy and they are holding larger inventories. I may start dabbling with Cast.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Fair enough guys...you tell me what we should retitle and describe the section as and I will make the change....post your suggestions and we (meaning us and you) will pick the best one and make the change

Yea! Nice to know we are heard here by the higher-ups! Thanks Sean.

How about:

Outdoor Lighting: Landscape Lighting designers and contractors discuss a full spectrum of issues involving outdoor lighting.

TXNSLighting
10-08-2008, 06:36 PM
Im sold on that one James!

worx
10-08-2008, 08:06 PM
Here's another thought:


ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPE LIGHTING
Lighting designers and contractors discussing outdoor lighting

The Lighting Geek
10-08-2008, 09:38 PM
Outdoor Lighting: Landscape Lighting designers and contractors discuss a full spectrum of issues involving outdoor lighting.

I like it. :dancing:

Dreams To Designs
10-09-2008, 09:19 AM
James, I like it, short and sweet.

Worx, I think your's modification loses the average landscaper. How many know what architectural lighting is?

Kirk

worx
10-09-2008, 10:38 AM
Kirk I am not trying to lose anybody here, just offering up an idea. I consider arch lighting to be anything involved with permanent structure itself, condo, house, commercial building, etc. The landscape lighting portion I feel is anything pertaining to the grounds area. Just my thoughts.

Sean Adams
10-09-2008, 10:56 AM
I took the suggestion from Integra and worx and combined them to create....

Architectural & Landscape Lighting

Landscape Lighting Designers and Contractors Discuss a Full Spectrum of Issues Involving Outdoor Lighting.

What do you think?

I like it alot better than what we had!

worx
10-09-2008, 04:07 PM
worx for me:dancing:

JoeyD
10-09-2008, 04:15 PM
sounds great!

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-09-2008, 05:27 PM
Much better!

Thank you.