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Mataman
10-17-2008, 07:39 PM
I just finished lighting some trees for this HOA and now they'd like me to do their tower and I would like your input on this.

This is what you see when you come in the entrance. They just tore out a few trees and will have various scenes infront of the tower as the seasons change.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio213.jpg

I'm guessing it to be around 4 stories high and they had it lite with 4ea 1500watt halogens. It barely lite up 1/2 way and at 3/4s the way, it was shadowy and they commented on the color change.

The bottom is only visible from the front and the back. The sides are hidden by trees.

these photos are rotating around the tower ccw from 4 of the 5 roads leading to it. The 1st road is the main entrance. Hope I'm not confusing you.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio216.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio217.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio218.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio219.jpg

Mataman
10-17-2008, 07:51 PM
here is one of the front close up

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio227.jpg


all sides are identical and here are some of my thoughts and please once again, feel free to comment.

On the front and back at ground level, I'm thinking a par36 to catch the base(white area). From the ground to the green bracing is 20ft.

In the bell area(green), I'm thinking four spots but not sure of the spread. Two at the bottom posts pointing up and then two at the top pointing down. I'm guessing the green area is approx 14ft and the louvered area is another 10

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio228.jpghttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio223.jpg

Now my concern is how do I effectively light the bell area? Would I center another spot/par/mr16 down lighting from the canopy?

Another thought was to mount lighting on the balconies with some 12-18in extensions. Good/bad idea?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/Mataman/YBNPortfolio220.jpg

DUSTYCEDAR
10-17-2008, 07:52 PM
Lots of rope lights

Mataman
10-17-2008, 07:55 PM
lol!

they commented something on the fact that "moonlighting is not what we want". From talking to them, I took that as they don't want a haze, they want a beacon.:laugh:

DUSTYCEDAR
10-17-2008, 07:59 PM
well i go with my gut on these things.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-18-2008, 01:14 PM
Well, I have a bunch of ideas for that structure and am 100% certain that we could make that a spectacular focal point.

Now, what type of budget do you have to work with?

It would be a challenging installation to hide all of the fixtures and infrastructure so you want to take that into consideration when you are quoting it.

Lite4
10-18-2008, 02:08 PM
Uplight the lower stucco looking section. I would mount downlights under that top roof with green colored lenses to make the green color and louvers pop. I would place lights on the corner posts to cross light the bells. You would want to be sure to use some good louvers or fixtures with deep set lamps for this. Just my initial thoughts without actually seeing the structure in person and sight lines.
Looks like a fun project. I hope they give you a decent budget to work with.

Mataman
10-18-2008, 04:17 PM
budget,, budget,, ummm, they didn't give me a budget I know that I'm the only one they're talking to.
They have dealt with several companies in the past but they can never get them to come back for a maintenance call and I maintain one of their wedding pavilions, so I'm there weekly. I've also worked with this HOA for some,,,, 5 years now.

Tim,
I'm not familiar with how louvers work or what effect they give. I've searched on here but sheesh,, there's just soooo much to read through.

You know it would be awesome if we had a sticky thread on here that showed the various effects; blue lens on trees, frosted lens, etc..., louvers, led, wall washing, par 36 vs led vs mr16,, nothing but pics. that would be awesome

I have easy access to vista and kichler through JDL and then FX, Hadco, Nightscaping, Focus, x-10 from Ewing.

I still need to get up in that upper area and see if power is still there (HOA isn't sure) because I'd like to some leds pointing down with their own xformer. Mainly because of the lifespan and how hard it is to access that upper area to service them. Install em and leave em.

What do you think about putting a couple floods inside the upper louvered area? Some light would emit through the louvers and kinda make the underside of the tower glow.

just taking a quick look at it, I'm thinking 26 various mr16s. 6 on the base(3 on the N/S sides), and 20 on the top(5 on each face, two uplights/ three downlights).

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-19-2008, 01:17 PM
My initial fixture count is more like into the mid 30's.

It looks like those vertical posts are square tubular steel. If that is so you are going to have to get very creative with how you mount to them as you will not be able to drill holes without the services of a structural engineer. Then you will have to hide all of the wiring too. Like I said, a very challenging installation.

Have a great day.

Mataman
10-19-2008, 05:50 PM
Well, I have a bunch of ideas for that structure and am 100% certain that we could make that a spectacular focal point.

Now, what type of budget do you have to work with?

It would be a challenging installation to hide all of the fixtures and infrastructure so you want to take that into consideration when you are quoting it.

This is exactly the type of thing that I would be happy to assist you with through JSLDesign Inc. Give me a call if you would like to discuss a full design & specification.

My initial fixture count is more like into the mid 30's.

It looks like those vertical posts are square tubular steel. If that is so you are going to have to get very creative with how you mount to them as you will not be able to drill holes without the services of a structural engineer. Then you will have to hide all of the wiring too. Like I said, a very challenging installation.

Have a great day.

sorry I missed your 1st response.

c'mon dawg,, spill your ideas.

About mounting to the structures;
I didn't really have any intentions on mounting them on the structure,, well at least not at the bottom. I don't see any problem with mounting them to those 2in angle irons and the one in the center could easily be done by a junction box and a 8-18in riser to push is out from the structure.

Hiding the wire;
That's why I'm hoping that the power up top is still hot or even available. If not,, I'm pretty resourceful and I'll find a way to do it cleanly.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
10-20-2008, 09:31 AM
Sorry Mataman, but sometimes ideas come with price tags. I am at a point now that I can and do contract out my design & specification services; to other lighting guys, builders, landscapers, architects, and clients. I have spent the better portion of the last decade freely giving away my advice, knowledge and experience. Now it is a 'for hire' experience. :)

I will gladly design, specify, and even project manage any lighting job for a fee of 10% to 15% of the final price of the system. Let me know if you want to proceed. If not, I understand completely and wish you the best of luck with the project.

Have a great day

Tomwilllight
10-20-2008, 10:06 AM
You may want to look at Jan Moyer's lighting of the Chicago Botanical Gardens Carillon at http://www.janmoyerdesign.com/pages/recent_work.html.

Certainly, her project is in a very dark area and her customary low light levels work well. The problem, of course, is how to get the light up to the top. Anything mounted on the ground will have to travel a long way to be to the bells.

I suggest you consider using a linear source such as, T10 fluorescent in weather tight enclosures, mounted on the horizontal cross structures. This would also save energy, reduce light pollution and save on labor in maintenance. You will need to find a fixture that has a small cross section and they exist. If you're interested, I'll ask about a fixture I saw demonstrated 4 or 5 months ago that may fit you needs.

There is a lot of good work going on creating energy efficient sign lighting; you may want to check with your distributors too.

This looks like a very exiciting project. Good luck!

Tom

BTW: My advice is still free.

Mataman
10-20-2008, 10:44 PM
You may want to look at Jan Moyer's lighting of the Chicago Botanical Gardens Carillon at http://www.janmoyerdesign.com/pages/recent_work.html.

Certainly, her project is in a very dark area and her customary low light levels work well. The problem, of course, is how to get the light up to the top. Anything mounted on the ground will have to travel a long way to be to the bells.

I suggest you consider using a linear source such as, T10 fluorescent in weather tight enclosures, mounted on the horizontal cross structures. This would also save energy, reduce light pollution and save on labor in maintenance. You will need to find a fixture that has a small cross section and they exist. If you're interested, I'll ask about a fixture I saw demonstrated 4 or 5 months ago that may fit you needs.

There is a lot of good work going on creating energy efficient sign lighting; you may want to check with your distributors too.

This looks like a very exiciting project. Good luck!

Tom

BTW: My advice is still free.

WOW! That bell tower is definitely 1st class.