adding 24d to momentum?

[hobbsd]

Kind of a strange question...

Momentum FX is only 23% 24d which requires a lot of it to kill dandelions. However, a low amount of it kills all of the weird and "hard to kill" weeds.

So couldn't I just add .75 OZ's of LV400 to boost the 24d and use a 1.2 OZ of momentum instead of 1.6 OZ's???? It would be a lot cheaper.

My only problem is that I don't know if the two types of herbicide together equals one large amount of 2-4-d... Any thoughts?

[PSUTURFGEEK]

You might want to try Eliminate lo it's really high in 24D and is working pretty nice with low volume units, and it's alot cheaper than momentum fx, if harder to kill weeds become a problem just spike it with octane, quicksilver or spotlight.

[pinto n mwr]

1.6oz/gal, sound high. i use 1.1oz/gal but it comes down to how a person sprays for the rates. by the way, a dandelion is the easiest weed to kill. don't worry about it.

[hobbsd]

1.6oz/gal, sound high. i use 1.1oz/gal but it comes down to how a person sprays for the rates. by the way, a dandelion is the easiest weed to kill. don't worry about it.

We sprayed momentum at 1.3 to 1.4 ounces in August and got 100% control on everything but dadnelions which got basically a 0% control. We had to spray every customers lawn again in Sept / Oct for dandelions.

Also Eliminate lo only equals 24.5% 24d.....

What are you people doing to get away with 1.1 ounces???

[hobbsd]

can someone answer my original question??

[RigglePLC]

Momentum I looked at was 44 percent 2,4-D. We have never had problems with dandelions. Three way or Eliminate work fine. But maybe conditions were not right in your August spray. Or...maybe you are seeing new dandelions. We always spray for dandelions in the fall--when the new seeds sprout--mid sept to Mid Oct seems to be best for us.

[hobbsd]

Momentum I looked at was 44 percent 2,4-D. We have never had problems with dandelions. Three way or Eliminate work fine. But maybe conditions were not right in your August spray. Or...maybe you are seeing new dandelions. We always spray for dandelions in the fall--when the new seeds sprout--mid sept to Mid Oct seems to be best for us.

momentum is 44% tri--------24d which only equals an actual 24% by isomer percent of 24d


My original question still stands, does adding a little lv400 effectively increase the dandelion killing power of momentum?

[FdLLawnMan]

I do not understand why you did not kill the dandelions with Momentum Fx2. In my experience I have never seen that and I buy it by the 30 gallon drum. Momentum Fx2 has 2,4-D in it already, so I don't know if adding more would provide any value. According to Wisconsin lawn you can only apply so much 2,4-D per acre per year so you might get into trouble there. I know adding a surfactant helps the herbicide adhere the the weed surface when it rains, but as far as making it more effective, I don't know. I see you are in Wisconsin, August was awfully dry and it was not a very good time to kill any weeds.

[hobbsd]

I do not understand why you did not kill the dandelions with Momentum Fx2. In my experience I have never seen that and I buy it by the 30 gallon drum. Momentum Fx2 has 2,4-D in it already, so I don't know if adding more would provide any value. According to Wisconsin lawn you can only apply so much 2,4-D per acre per year so you might get into trouble there. I know adding a surfactant helps the herbicide adhere the the weed surface when it rains, but as far as making it more effective, I don't know. I see you are in Wisconsin, August was awfully dry and it was not a very good time to kill any weeds.

Your exactly right, it was hot and dry. But when I sprayed amine 400 on at 1.5 ounces I killed every dandelion. With momentum @ 1.4 ounces, not a single one died. I've had this problem in the past with different water sources, with or without sticker added.

[pinto n mwr]

I mix momentum fx2 at 1.1oz/gal. I apply the mixture at 1.5 to 1.75 gals per thousand depending on type of site and quantity of weeds. Never had a problem with dandi's, some problems with ground ivy(timing thing), lots of problems with violets.

Using the lesco gun with a blue nozzle.

[FdLLawnMan]

I mix momentum fx2 at 1.1oz/gal. I apply the mixture at 1.5 to 1.75 gals per thousand depending on type of site and quantity of weeds. Never had a problem with dandi's, some problems with ground ivy(timing thing), lots of problems with violets.

Using the lesco gun with a blue nozzle.

Wild Violets are not listed on the Momentum Fx2 label. You can spike it with Quicksilver which I think would make a great four way herbicide.

[RigglePLC]

Actually, if you look carefully at the label--Lesco 3-Way contains 2.44 percent 2,4-D by the isomer specific method, or--2.44 pounds per gallon. Hardly much difference as Momentum FX2 has 2.24 lbs per gallon.

Not sure, but I think the yearly limit is 2 lbs of 2,4-D per acre.

So --IMHO--no, adding 2,4-D to Momentum would not increase the effectiveness. Use the maximum rate. Adding a surfactant like Hawkeye would help. Also be sure to spray when conditions are right. Not when weed is dormant from heat or drought. Try to spray when weed is young and growing rapidly--early spring or mid fall for dandelions, for instance. I don't like Momentum compared to Three-way, because Three-way includes dicamba.

[hobbsd]

how does straight eliminate (not eliminate LO) stack up on a variety of weeds? Is it a good general use herbicide? whats your experiences?

[RigglePLC]

I really like Lesco Eliminate. Contains MCPA, triclopyr and dicamba. No 2,4-D of course. Not much odor. Almost clear as water. Max use rate is 1.1 oz per 1000 sqft. Costs about .45 per 1000 feet.

[hobbsd]

I really like Lesco Eliminate. Contains MCPA, triclopyr and dicamba. No 2,4-D of course. Not much odor. Almost clear as water. Max use rate is 1.1 oz per 1000 sqft. Costs about .45 per 1000 feet.

Do you get good overall results with it?

[tlg]

If your looking to fry dandelions try using three-way and quicksilver. It will also take out clover, ground ivy and a whole bunch of other hard to kill broad-leaf weeds.

[RigglePLC]

I am very satisfied with Lesco Eliminate. I always include a surfactant (except in the Permagreen). I always use the maximum rate: 1.1oz per 1000 feet.

It is possible there is some built in surfactant--sometimes i get foam while filling the Permagreen tank. The triclopyr is helpful on violets and clover.

[magland]

Why not just use Three-way. It's alot cheaper than Momentum, and you don't have to worry about mixing different products. My experience has been that if guys ask if they can mix this and that together, it's usually not a good idea. When it comes to mixing herbicides, you need exact rates, not guesses. Three things can happen, and only one of them is good. Either the mix isn't strong enough to kill weeds, it's too strong and burns the grass, or it works like Three-way or Momentum does. Stick with what you know works. Saves alot of time and usually money.

[FdLLawnMan]

I have used a lot of Three-Way and Momentum Fx2 so am very familiar with both them. In my experience Momentum is much more effective on Ground Ivy than Three-Way, especially in spring & early summer. For my fall applications I use Three-Way at the medium rate with sticker. I like to change of the products I use as I believe in the long run it helps. Dicamba is good but not as effective as Fluroxpyr is on hard to kill weeds.