Looking to buy used Isuzu NPR cabover...

[rjgolfer]

Looking to buy a used Isuzu NPR cabover (gas).....3-5 years old. Tired of the truck/tailer combo....Have seen some cabover's being used in KC and looks a heck of a lot easier than using my trailer!!!
Live in Kansas City

[BrandonV]

fyi my truck dealer called me last week and they have some new 2007 models still and are asking 27K warranty and everything, if you can swing it there are a LOT of good deals on new ones.

[lawn king]

I swear by my npr, but i would never buy the gas. The isuzu inline 4 cylinder turbodiesel is a great running engine, pretty damn good on fuel to boot!

[rjgolfer]

fyi my truck dealer called me last week and they have some new 2007 models still and are asking 27K warranty and everything, if you can swing it there are a LOT of good deals on new ones.

I might be able to swing a new one....any idea what the bed would cost...all I do is mowing...would need cage for gas cans etc and racks for timmmer/blower.

[rjgolfer]

I swear by my npr, but i would never buy the gas. The isuzu inline 4 cylinder turbodiesel is a great running engine, pretty damn good on fuel to boot!

I hear they are better on fuel but cost of diesel fuel:(:(

[BrandonV]

i'd guess 6-8k for the bed

[lawn king]

I hear they are better on fuel but cost of diesel fuel:(:(

Diesel may cost more but you get better mpg and far less engine maintenence. If you plan to run the truck for a long time go diesel, you will come out ahead in the long run.

[1cooltreeguy]

Diesel, Diesel, Diesel - Stay away from the GAS ones...

[Tony Clifton]

I would actually say go with the gas. I have 3, 2 diesel and 1 gas and will say any new ones that we get will be gas.

[rjgolfer]

I would actually say go with the gas. I have 3, 2 diesel and 1 gas and will say any new ones that we get will be gas.
Tony...I assume you like working out of your 3 trucks....I have been pulling trailer and is hassle....looks like the low cab are a better option...we do mowing for the most part and just tired of the hooking up and hauling the trailer every day. Thanks for your advice!

[Tadams]

i'd guess 6-8k for the bed

You can get a landscape bed here for $2500-$3000.

[DBL]

we have a 2000 gas npr and while our next dump will be a diesel the gas really isnt that bad

[Atlantic Lawn]

We have a gasser and bought it new, we ended up with a Wilro landscape body. Anybody can work on a gasser, often times the diesel goes back to the Isuzu dealer.

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

I would reccomend a gasser over a diesel for many reasons.....

1. Cheaper fuel

2. anyone can work on it

3. cheaper to buy and maintain

The gas engine should last 200,000 miles if taken care of. Possibly more. The Diesels should last about 300,000 miles, again only if taken care of. The Gas engine is a fraction of the price of the diesel to replace when the engine is wore out. All in all the gas engine is cheaper. The gas engine also have significantly more HP and nearly equal torque. It is alot quieter as well.

Gas should give you 8-9.5 mpg on average, diesel should give you 11-13 mpg on average.

I would highly suggest only looking at used trucks with the 6.0 liter gas V-8, stay away from the older ones with the 5.7 liter V-8, far less power with that engine.

I also think if I ever go back to another Isuzu, I would not buy the open type landscape body, but instead a fully enclosed box body and then have a tailgate made and welded on to get the mowers in and out. I think the box version might even get better milage due to the better aerodynamics ( mesh steel and all the angle iron creates extreme drag )

I did the Isuzu thing for a year and a half, It was okay as a work truck, but be prepared.... These trucks,

1. are loud inside

2. are hot inside, especially in the summer, the A/C can't keep up with the heat the engine soaks into the cabin and the heat from the sun coming through the large windows

3. the step up and down to get in and out of the cabin sucks, gets old and tiring after a while

4. the truck is wide, but not deep, and therefore can feel cramped if you like alot of leg room or like to have the seat reclined

5. the fuel tank is small, only 30 gallons, so they need to be filled up more than once a week for most people.


6. the truck has a harsh ride, very bouncy.....


Anyway, that is enough negatives for now. I won't go back to one for myself as a solo operator, but would consider using the box truck versions when and if I decide to grow and have several crews going out.

[Tony Clifton]

Yea, we love them. Only two of them are mowing trucks, the other is a crew cab w/14' dump that we use for landscaping. The mowing trucks have 18' open landscape bodies on them. They are great, alot easier for the guys to drive than a truck pulling a 16' trailer. We had one guy that prefered the pickup and trailer, but he was the type that tried going against everything we do. I will say that all of the trucks we add in the future for mowing will be cabovers with open and enclosed landscape bodies. We may add one dump with an enclosed trailer at some point, but to answer your question, these trucks are the way to go....not only reliable, but effecient and incredibly reliable.

[rjgolfer]

Yea, we love them. Only two of them are mowing trucks, the other is a crew cab w/14' dump that we use for landscaping. The mowing trucks have 18' open landscape bodies on them. They are great, alot easier for the guys to drive than a truck pulling a 16' trailer. We had one guy that prefered the pickup and trailer, but he was the type that tried going against everything we do. I will say that all of the trucks we add in the future for mowing will be cabovers with open and enclosed landscape bodies. We may add one dump with an enclosed trailer at some point, but to answer your question, these trucks are the way to go....not only reliable, but effecient and incredibly reliable.
Thanks for the comments!! That is very helpful....Still not sure which way to go on open or closed landscape body...seems the closed could be awkward when gassing up and driving stander mowers into box....??? And seems like gas is the way to go too. Pretty sure we are going to get one and get rid of trailer! And also looking to rent storage space....girl friend getting tired of us working out of our garage:(
Any thoughts on how old I can go on used NPR?? Sounds like 6.0 V8 might be best but not sure what when they started making. Hope to hold off buying until after first of year but if I find a "deal" would go ahead and buy now. Thanks again for comments!!

[rjgolfer]

I would reccomend a gasser over a diesel for many reasons.....

1. Cheaper fuel

2. anyone can work on it

3. cheaper to buy and maintain

The gas engine should last 200,000 miles if taken care of. Possibly more. The Diesels should last about 300,000 miles, again only if taken care of. The Gas engine is a fraction of the price of the diesel to replace when the engine is wore out. All in all the gas engine is cheaper. The gas engine also have significantly more HP and nearly equal torque. It is alot quieter as well.

Gas should give you 8-9.5 mpg on average, diesel should give you 11-13 mpg on average.

I would highly suggest only looking at used trucks with the 6.0 liter gas V-8, stay away from the older ones with the 5.7 liter V-8, far less power with that engine.

I also think if I ever go back to another Isuzu, I would not buy the open type landscape body, but instead a fully enclosed box body and then have a tailgate made and welded on to get the mowers in and out. I think the box version might even get better milage due to the better aerodynamics ( mesh steel and all the angle iron creates extreme drag )

I did the Isuzu thing for a year and a half, It was okay as a work truck, but be prepared.... These trucks,

1. are loud inside

2. are hot inside, especially in the summer, the A/C can't keep up with the heat the engine soaks into the cabin and the heat from the sun coming through the large windows

3. the step up and down to get in and out of the cabin sucks, gets old and tiring after a while

4. the truck is wide, but not deep, and therefore can feel cramped if you like alot of leg room or like to have the seat reclined

5. the fuel tank is small, only 30 gallons, so they need to be filled up more than once a week for most people.


6. the truck has a harsh ride, very bouncy.....


Anyway, that is enough negatives for now. I won't go back to one for myself as a solo operator, but would consider using the box truck versions when and if I decide to grow and have several crews going out.Thanks Ron for your thoughts! The negatives you list are concerning but think the "benefit" of the cabover vs pulling a trailer offset the negatives. Just curious why you would not consider the open body style.....seems a lot easier to work out of .....is it just the aerodynamics you are concerned with?? Seems the box would be diffucult to gas up and drive on my standers....??? But sure it is nice when it rains!!!! Thanks again!

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

Get the box version.

It isn't hard to fill up the mowers, just keep a few 5 gallon jugs in the truck and at the end of the day you top off the mowers and then when you get to the gas station you take the jugs out to the pump to fill those while you fill the truck up. You will be filling up alot too, cause you will only get about 250-260 miles per tank.

The box version has much more room inside. It also keeps the equipment out of the sun and rain. It gives the guys a private place to go take a leak too, just walk inside and close the door and pee into a cup, this way your customers aren't exposed to your guys peeing in their bushes or behind the tool shed and you cut down on trips to the 7/11 for the guys to take a piss break.

The box version is also like a rolling storage unit, at the end of the day there is no need to unload the truck and put the equipment in a garage. You just close all the doors and lock everything up. You can even work on your stuff in a box truck, there is tons of room inside one.

There is very little advantage to a open bed landscape truck. Sure a open one would be better to haul mulch and would be easier to load pallets of fertilizer onto, but you can always keep one of your open trailers for that kind of work and tow it behind one of the isuzu's or a pickup truck for that kind of work.

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

Thanks Ron for your thoughts! The negatives you list are concerning but think the "benefit" of the cabover vs pulling a trailer offset the negatives. Just curious why you would not consider the open body style.....seems a lot easier to work out of .....is it just the aerodynamics you are concerned with?? Seems the box would be diffucult to gas up and drive on my standers....??? But sure it is nice when it rains!!!! Thanks again!

This forum is silly and won't let you repost a picture more than once, or else I would post a picture of my NPR. It was a 2006 I bought brand new, had the 6.0 liter gas engine and a 18 foot long ( 14 feet flat, 4 feet dovetail ) open landscape body.

I used it for a year and change and hated driving it. The turning radius wasn't much better and if anything was worse than the truck and trailer combos I had before and after the NPR...... then there was all the negatives I listed in the post you quoted above.

I bought the truck new for, if I remember correctly, 27,500$ out the door. I put down 2500$ cash and got a loan for the rest. My credit rating is in the highest category possible and I got the best loan rate possible. But banks do not make low interest loans on commercial trucks, not medium duty ones anyway.... so my payments were running around 525$ per month for a 60 month term. I was also averaging about 9.2-9.5 mpg, but I was driving easy on the truck to get better milage, when I drove it as if it wasn't mine and I wasn't paying for gas I got around 8 to 8.5 mpg. I couldn't go a full week on a tank of gas and hated I was using so much gas per week to mow my route. Gas prices were starting to go steadily up and I decided with all the negatives on the truck, I would look at going back to a truck and trailer. I sold the NPR for what I felt was a good price, sold it for enough to pay off the loan and have about 1500$ left over. Took the 1500$ and another 1800$ and bought a brand new 7x16 enclosed trailer, and ended up buying a new Toyota Tundra for 22,700$ out the door, and that lower price combined with the better interest rates for "pickup trucks" my payment on the toyota is just shy of 100$ less per month over the Isuzu. Between the savings on the monthly payment, I also figured I am saving 50-100$ a month in gas by driving a truck that is getting me between 10.5-12 mpg verses 8.5-9.5 I was seeing with the isuzu.


As for gassing up the mowers with a enclosed trailer, or box truck, I haven't found it to be a issue. I was worried it would be a pain in the butt before buying the enclosed trailer, but like I said, it hasn't been a problem yet. Matter of fast on the isuzu, the gas filling point is right at the back left side of the truck, so it would be easy to fill up the truck, then when done, take the hose/nozzle up into the back of the truck to fill at least the back most mower and your jugs right there in the back of the truck.

A advantage for you with going for a used truck, is there are tons of used box trucks on the market, not many used landscaper trucks. And lets be honest here, most used landscape trucks were driven by crews and are most likely been driven hard and are likely nasty dirty inside. Most box trucks are driven a little easier and should be clean inside and out. You buy a used box truck and have a local welder make you a short dovetail and ramp to weld onto the rear of the truck.

The 6.0 liter gasser started being used in the trucks in the mid 2000's. Not sure what years, but I am pretty sure they were in 2005's and I know 2006 and on. Possibly 2004's too. Easy way to tell is by looking at pictures of the trucks online and in the bottom corner of the windshield there will be a sticker that says either Turbo Diesel or V8efi... I am rather sure if you see that on the windshield it has the 5.7 liter in it. The 6.0 liters had a sticker on the side of the door that said 6.0 liter on it.

[Tony Clifton]

If you have the option, I would get an enclosed one...try to get one with the internal dove tail (the dove tail is inside the box) Also make sure it has a side door. Just think, you can keep all of your equipment on the truck and won't have to worry about loading/unloading each day. It can also act as a rolling billboard. In terms of age, just look for something that looks like it has been taken care of...we have one that is a 95 and another is a 98...I wouldnt hesitate to drive either cross country. The other trucks are newer

[rjgolfer]

Sounds like the box is the way to go.....I was thinking I could get some storage place for a landscape bed and not have to worry about unloading...that is a PITA. And get rid of trailer which I find and PITA also....just liked to look of the landscape bed with the cage for gas cans and the trimmer and blower racks...seems like fast way to work. I will keep both ideas on the table...and maybe find it is cheaper to buy a box vs landscape.

[B&B Lndscpng & Lwn Srvc]

If you have not made your purchase already i would go with the diesel. I have a customer who sells penske off lease trucks and i buy all my npr's through him. We usually get 2 to 3 yr old trucks with 20k to 30k miles. I use crew cabs and all have enclosed 20ft boxes with 4ft dovetails. I find these are great and all you do at the end of the day is close the door and lock them up. Rolling garages!!! In the end it is up to you and your situation. I use mine for mowing as well as landscaping and the crew cabs are great for multiple person crews.

[Horizon Lawn]

I have three nprs with three different beds on them and i love them all three. I have 2 gassers with the 6.0 and one 4 door diesel. The gas does get about 8 miles a gallon while the 4 dr diesel gets about 10. So mileage shouldnt be a difference on either engine. 03 model has a 18 open landscape bed and u can haul 4 mowers on it easy with all the extras weedeaters, blowers etc. now the 07 box has a dove tail on it and box is 14 ft with 5 dove and it will haul 3 mowers easy. I love this truck for leaves. You hook up the blower and blow her full about 2 days of leaf sucking is all you can get out of it. Then 08 4 dr with 18 ft landscaping body that the dove tail is removable so i have a 14 ft flat with a dump under it. great for everything can haul 8 guys 6 comfortable and mulch dirt or what ever. Dump load go back and get mulch while guys are working and keep on going. So i would recomend any of them. You can also get the dump with removable tail on the single cabs also. The 03 model is for sale if you are interested it just has 64,000 mile on it and in good shape.

[nosparkplugs]

I have visited the Cab forward debate myself MANY TIMES over the years, and it has always come down to the financing, and consumables, the increased title cost, tag cost, insurance cost. I have above average credit, and banks just do not give any deals on medium duty truck loans. Still cheaper to drive a 3/4 or 1 ton, and for me I can still tow, and use my truck for some personal use too. But for dedicated commercial use their a great option. You can send a crew out without having to worry about a trailer.

It continues to be far more cost effective for me to use 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks, and have multiple trailers. Also my HOA does not allow anything over 1 ton or commercial use or medium duty to be parked in your personal driveway EVER. It was easier to convince the HOA that a 3/4 ton or 1 ton was for some personal use. Their was no arguing a cab forward ever needing to be parked in my personal driveway. I already pay a small fortune in storage fee's enclosed & open, so I must wait until I grow more to justify these cab overs.

[buyisuzu]

There are several things to consider.

Gas vs Diesel - The best thing about the diesel engine is that it last so much longer than a gas engine. Isuzu Diesel has 300,000 mile rating. One reason diesel's last longer is HEAT or lack of! Diesels run much cooler than gas engines. If you are driving less than 35,000 miles per year...by a gas burner. With diesel costing 66% more than gas and the diesel engine gets 25% better fuel economy, buying a diesel doesn't add up in a low mileage application. Lastly the warranty on a N-series diesel is 3YR/UNLIMITED MILEAGE - BUMPER TO BUMPER, while the gas is 3yrs/36,000 - bumper to bumper and 3yrs/75,000 on the engine.

New vs Old - The new Isuzu (2008up) has the new 205hp/441lbft engine, compared to a 1998 model had 170hp, and there was a 190hp in between them. The new engine is stronger and yet it is more fuel efficient.

I hope this helps you... of course by now (year after your post) I hope you have already made your purchase. :cool2:

[Drew Gemma]

Horizon can u post pics of your 3 diff trucks thanks

[buyisuzu]

There are several things to consider.

Gas vs Diesel - The best thing about the diesel engine is that it last so much longer than a gas engine. Isuzu Diesel has 300,000 mile rating. One reason diesel's last longer is HEAT or lack of! Diesels run much cooler than gas engines. If you are driving less than 35,000 miles per year...by a gas burner. With diesel costing 66% more than gas and the diesel engine gets 25% better fuel economy, buying a diesel doesn't add up in a low mileage application. Lastly the warranty on a N-series diesel is 3YR/UNLIMITED MILEAGE - BUMPER TO BUMPER, while the gas is 3yrs/36,000 - bumper to bumper and 3yrs/75,000 on the engine.

New vs Old - The new Isuzu (2008up) has the new 205hp/441lbft engine, compared to a 1998 model had 170hp, and there was a 190hp in between them. The new engine is stronger and yet it is more fuel efficient.

I hope this helps you... of course by now (year after your post) I hope you have already made your purchase. :cool2:

Correction - 2008 Gas warranty is 5yrs/75,000 on drivetrain and 3yrs/36,000 - bumper to bumper.

[Horizon Lawn]

I will try and get some pics up of them soon. I have been trying to finish up some last minute leaf jobs in the RAIN that have to be done by the first of the year. So not much extra time in the past week or so. I didnt work much last week because of the weather here and now this week is the same all rain but i have to have these finished up.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

OK I have a question for all the guys using them. I am buying two of them and need to find a good reasonable place to insure them in FL. Any help is appreciated.

Also do you care to show pics of the inddside layout of your box?


THANKS!

[rjgolfer]

Still have not make a decision...but need to soon. I am a solo and would need a place to store the truck. If open bed I would need to store inside....if Box might get away with keeping it outside?? Haven't looked to hard yet but seems it might be a challenge to find a storge location for just one truck..Public Storage gargages I believe would be too small. And I am leaning toward a used gasser as I wouldn't dive more than 10,000 miles a year. Maybe one that is 3 years old.... The biggest benefit is getting rid of the trailer..PITA to hookup and loading up every day:( Thanks for all the good comments..I appreciate! IF you are in Kansas City area...anyone looking so sell Cabover or know of any used ones for sale??

[nosparkplugs]

Still have not make a decision...but need to soon. I am a solo and would need a place to store the truck. If open bed I would need to store inside....if Box might get away with keeping it outside?? Haven't looked to hard yet but seems it might be a challenge to find a storge location for just one truck..Public Storage gargages I believe would be too small. And I am leaning toward a used gasser as I wouldn't dive more than 10,000 miles a year. Maybe one that is 3 years old.... The biggest benefit is getting rid of the trailer..PITA to hookup and loading up every day:( Thanks for all the good comments..I appreciate! IF you are in Kansas City area...anyone looking so sell Cabover or know of any used ones for sale??

Your going to loose your arse, going to the NPR. I'm in a similar situation with parking & storage. I live in a HOA that does not allow ANY commercial vehicles on your property, unless you can get them in a garage. I'm pushing it with my 2500/3500 trucks I have owned.


I have 2 enclosed storage units garage size, and one open space. The NPR's have their advantage, but you can haul, a trailer with anything. I have zero trouble hooking up to my trailers. You guys make it sound like it's nuclear engineering. Yah if you have knuckle heads working for you the NPR has zero learning curve, and thats another reason their well liked, it takes zero experience to run a NPR

Lawn & Landscape magazine did a national study on the NPR, and the open vs box configuration. The BOX gets worse MPG your basically carryng a parachute behind you always. Where the open landscape bed/mesh decreased wind drag. Obviously folks are not truly thinking the air dynamics through on this?. Everyone says get diesel if your towing over 10,000lbs daily? what do these trucks gross??. My Fert/squirt guy hates his new NPR gas models only because their not getting the MPG he thought. he's fueling up his trucks 3 times a week with gasser vs 1 time a week diesel. Thats real world, so you spend less on gas, but fill up more. The 6.0L V8 is very strong, but guzzles gas if your truly working it.

Climate & security has been the main reason for the BOX NPR's success; however that is changing with higher fuel price's. Many companies that once supported the BOX NPR are now switching to the open mesh body.


Why is their so many NPR's for sale??? their's several reasons, but their NOT the end all to our problems

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

newer 6.0 gasser will do between 8 to as much as nearly 10 mpg, depending on how you drive it.

The newer diesels are reported to give 10-12 mpg tops.

Do the math, and the diesel is not worth it. And drive the diesel then drive the 6.0 gasser and the gas engine wins hands down, drives much better.

I would pick a diesel over the older 5.7 gasser though. That engine was overworked in a truck this large.

I liked my NPR, but I will never own another for myself to drive. Great for crews, but uncomfortable, loud, hot, and rough ride..... I would rather deal with trailering and ride in a normal truck. Or at least get a cab/chassis that is based on a pickup or van instead of a cabover.

[buyisuzu]

I agree with Sparkplug regarding the fuel economy of the gas (6L corvette engine) versus the diesel. But if you are only driving 10,000 miles a year stay with gas. And of course a flatbed will get better fuel economy than a box, 50% of your fuel is used to push wind...use drafting when all possible (HAHA). Where Sparkplug and I differ is...The future is box trucks, because of the secure environment they provide. I just sold a Freightliner Sprinter Van to one of my landscape guys and he loves the 18-22 mpg he is getting. Don't take my word (Bryan Landscape, Irmo, SC) for it ask him. The advantage of the sprinter, you can put all the equipment that usually walks away into a lock Sprinter van and the bigger (and heavier) equipment stays on the trailer.

Find a used Isuzu Gas burner from Flowers Bakery there are hundreds out there for sale.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

A box truck is a free rolling bilboard everywhere you go. If you want the box truck get it and don't look back. I am working on getting 2 now if the deal works out. Both are boxes, I will change one to a dump bed but the other will stay a box and be lettered front, back and both sides. I wouldn't get anything but a diesel in one of them..... my friend has 2 gas jobs and doesn't have much power pulling up the bigger bridges in town.

[Gravel Rat]

The lawn care guys here still try get all they can into a P/U truck and pull a small trailer you can move around by hand if you can.

The only benefit of the cab overs with the diesels is they will go more miles than a P/U truck ie last longer.

I wouldn't own a cabover because like they say you are the first on the accident scene.

If I was in the landscaping business this is what I would have

www.commercialtrucktrader.com/find/listing/photos/print/93877797/

These Hino trucks will easily go the distance and get very good fuel mileage and are able to carry the weight. If you did lawn mowing and landscaping you could have a switch and go or a hooklift system to swap bodies.

I don't know how anybody can just do lawn mowing as a business you would have to do landscaping aswell like installing flower beds etc.

[Lawnworks]

I get 12mpg with a diesel npr box or open.... 12mpg is just the magic number for diesel nprs.

[Gravel Rat]

The gearing is what kills the little cabovers. To get the little 4 banger rice cookers to have enough power your running lower axle gears. The cab overs will carry a good load but really don't tow a load very well.

Any cube van be it the high cube or the standard profile cube its going to have some wind resistance even with a air defector mounted on the box.

I would think the biggest advantage about a cube van and something that the landscaper here has found you have more room to work in the back. So if you need to fix something you can. Its not so cluttered. The one guy I know he worked out of the back of a modified truck camper.

Now with the cube van on the GMC chassis the crew is able to get into places its easier to get to the job. For areas like where I'am you can't have a trailer you will never get into the areas where you need to work. A cube van on a cabover chassis or a Ford or Chev cuttaway chassis with a cube on it.

A F-450 F-550 truck like mine with a 165 wheelbase and a 12 foot deck can't get into places as easy as a Ford E-350 with a 14 foot box even the ones with the 16 foot boxes get into places that I have troubles with.

The big problem with the cabover cubes is the lack of traction if they are lightly loaded you can get stuck. The E350 E450 and 3500 Chevy cubes they are not so bad.

Years ago I helped a guy move and he rented a E350 cube with a 16 foot box I had to get used to where the truck would go. Places no hope in h*ll I could back my truck into the E350 went.

Ford made the E550 van for a year they were a beast with a F-550 drive line and 19.5 wheels.

You other option it use a Grumman van they turn well all enclosed mostly came on GM chassis. Snap On used them alot for tool trucks.

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

First of all, most people are uneducated in aerodynamics, and looking at a box verses a open landscape bed, the box would seem to be far more drag and cause worse mpg. But even though you will probably not believe it, the open bed with all the exposed machinery, and ESPECIALLY the expanded metal on the side and tail gate has more drag.

The box likely weights more, causing a slight reduction in MPG, but aerodynamically, the box is cleaner.

Ever watched Myth Busters? They did a episode on whether you would get better or worse MPG by driving with the tailgate of a truck open or closed. Turned out the closed tailgate won. Aerodynamics are more tricky than most would believe. Think of the air as water, and any where you have a disturbance in the water you will have drag. The box is one big disturbance, but it is relatively smooth. A expanded metal tailgate has hundreds of individual strands of steel, and each one adds drag. You would have less drag and better MPG if you bolted a sheet of plywood over the expanded metal tailgates on your trailers.....



The box version is really the way to go. Rolling billboard.... Lockable storage.... Keeps your tools out of the sun and rain..... Gives you a private place to take a piss ( after you close the doors of course ) ..... more room inside for hanging tools and so on.... and much easier to buy new or used since box trucks are a dime a dozen and landscape trucks are not nearly as common, especially on the used market.

As for Diesel verses Gas. Well all I can say is do yourself a favor and test drive the Gas 6.0 version and then the Diesel version. Unlike a 1500 gas chevy pickup verses a 3500 diesel chevy pick up, the gas engine in the Isuzu's has far more horsepower and nearly equal torque. It will out accellerate the diesel, and will pull a hill just as well. The Isuzu Diesels are quite loud in the cab and it isn't a cool sexy Diesel sound like a Cummins straight 6 or a Duramax V-8, but instead sounds like a overworked Kubota tractor....

As for the Diesels lasting far far longer, all I say is start browsing the internet classifieds for used NPR's. Look carefully at the milage on the used trucks and what kind of repairs the trucks have needed. Most Used Diesel Npr's seem to need a new tranny somewhere between 150-225 thousand miles, and most need a new engine or at least cylinder head replacement by 250 thousand miles. Very rare to see one over 300,000 miles and usually it has had a engine replacement at least once to make it that far. Go look, I am not lying or BSing you, just research the ads and you will see. The gas engines should last 200,000 miles, the tranny should do 100-150 thousand. The entire gas engine can be replaced for what just the cylinder head costs on the Diesel. The Gas tranny should be considerably less than the tranny in the diesel.

In the end the diesel just doesn't make sence.

Now compair a older pre 2003 ( or whatever year they started using the 6.0 in them ) to a diesel, the diesel is a better pick. The 5.7 didn't have nearly as much HP or Torque as the 6.0, and also, if your considering a truck that old, say a 1999 or 2000 year model, by the time they are that old, there is little price difference between a diesel and a gasser. But a new or late model NPR, the gas is a clear winner, just a 5 minute test drive in both types and it is plainly obvious.


Someone else mentioned accidents, that never bothered me while I owned my NPR, but I have thought about it since, and he is right, a head on collision and your ass is toast in one of these. There is nearly nothing in front of you to protect you, just crawl under the truck and take a look at the bumper and under the steering wheel to see what would protect you, you might change your mind right then and there

[clay duncan]

the 6.0 gas has 325 hp and 360 ft. lb torque. the 5.2 diesel has 205 hp and 441 ft.lb. torque. one negative of the box truck is you cannot haul mulch, rock, pallets of fert, brush, ect and i believe it would be very hard to see backing up. i would never go back to towing a trailer daily again. my W3500 is diesel and i get 12mpg stop and go driving. i dont find the truck hard to cool or loud but it is not the most comfy truck to ride long distance in.

[Gravel Rat]

You get in a head on with a 2-3 ton cab over your going to hurt. Atleast with a conventional cab truck you have some sheet metal to crunch before you get hit.

There is a reason why Hino got out of the cabover market for North America. They used to be famous for building cab overs. The only manufactures that makes cab overs in the 2-3 ton market is Isuzu/GMC, Ford/International and Mitsubushi/Sterling.

The old orginal GMC/Isuzu cab overs the old ones from the 90s to 2002 model trucks were pretty good. The P+D guys use them and abuse them putting more weight into them than they are designed for. They were reliable they went more miles cheaper than a F-450 F-550 the only other truck in that size category.

[FordLawnLandscape]

This is one of those topics where its going to be half pro half con. I personally cannot imagine running my Lawn/Landscape buisness without my NPR Landscape bed truck. Just cant. I've operated outta both a open trailer and a enlosed trailer before buying my NPR from a very good friend of mine who began his biz the same way, and he'll tell u the same about the nprs. Just a couple of neg. comments that have came up serveral times in this thread were , Ride ability and the heat inside the cab. I cant complain about either of those neg. remarks. My NPRS a 98 w/ 192.000 and it rides great for what it is. I mean its a work truck its not going to ride like a new DEnali , what do ya expect ? Try a little prevntative maintenance , replace your shocks, rotate/balance your tires. Truck shouldnt ride that bad :rolleyes: Now i gotta admit, as far as heat the NPRS have ALOT of glass , which is going to let in a LOT of sun , I tinted my windows in my NPR soon as i got it. No probs at ALL in the summer for me w/ the A/C on. These trucks are just so convient in SO many different ways. Also , someone said mileage expect. of diesel NPRs is 300.000 ? Look on ebay any time under NPRs , whether they be Landscape trucks , tow trucks, box trucks, etc etc , you want look long before u see SEVERAL w/ over 400,000 miles ! Also , hence all the diff. applications for these trucks ??? Pretty handy truck if you ask me :confused: ... Just dont understand all the neg. criticism (sp) surrounding NPRS. The gas or diesel debate is one that'll go on FOREVERRR !! It's more personal pref. , yes you will spend more money on tuneups w/ the diesels , but you'll also go twice/three times further until the next one. I love a diesel b/c they dont have to turn 5 & 6 grand RPM to pull a load (reason for longer life) take the same load with a diesel and you're turning half the rpm. Another advantage diesels are oiled on the top and bottom side of the engine. Gas only top side. But if you're staying away from diesel due to fuel being higher then you'll always stay in a gasser, I dont blieve diesel will ever be where it once was. Sorry for such a long rant but I got my NPR's back , been too good to me :weightlifter:

[Tadams]

I've got a 1995 gasser with a box. The BEST tool I ever bought. The gas mileage is kinda crappy. I would like to have a diesel but the exhaust gives me a headache. I got a really good deal on the box and I have never regretted it. There are drawbacks to a box but they are not anything that bothers me too much-the biggest being pinestraw and pallets but I have a trailer for that. Looking for an open bed truck for next season if we start up a second crew. Like others have said- This is a work truck that I can put anyone in and they can drive it anywhere. A trailer can be a little confusing for some to back up. If you ever use an NPR, you will never go back.

[Rons Rightway Lawncare]

This is one of those topics where its going to be half pro half con. I personally cannot imagine running my Lawn/Landscape buisness without my NPR Landscape bed truck. Just cant. I've operated outta both a open trailer and a enlosed trailer before buying my NPR from a very good friend of mine who began his biz the same way, and he'll tell u the same about the nprs. Just a couple of neg. comments that have came up serveral times in this thread were , Ride ability and the heat inside the cab. I cant complain about either of those neg. remarks. My NPRS a 98 w/ 192.000 and it rides great for what it is. I mean its a work truck its not going to ride like a new DEnali , what do ya expect ? Try a little prevntative maintenance , replace your shocks, rotate/balance your tires. Truck shouldnt ride that bad :rolleyes: Now i gotta admit, as far as heat the NPRS have ALOT of glass , which is going to let in a LOT of sun , I tinted my windows in my NPR soon as i got it. No probs at ALL in the summer for me w/ the A/C on. These trucks are just so convient in SO many different ways. Also , someone said mileage expect. of diesel NPRs is 300.000 ? Look on ebay any time under NPRs , whether they be Landscape trucks , tow trucks, box trucks, etc etc , you want look long before u see SEVERAL w/ over 400,000 miles ! Also , hence all the diff. applications for these trucks ??? Pretty handy truck if you ask me :confused: ... Just dont understand all the neg. criticism (sp) surrounding NPRS. The gas or diesel debate is one that'll go on FOREVERRR !! It's more personal pref. , yes you will spend more money on tuneups w/ the diesels , but you'll also go twice/three times further until the next one. I love a diesel b/c they dont have to turn 5 & 6 grand RPM to pull a load (reason for longer life) take the same load with a diesel and you're turning half the rpm. Another advantage diesels are oiled on the top and bottom side of the engine. Gas only top side. But if you're staying away from diesel due to fuel being higher then you'll always stay in a gasser, I dont blieve diesel will ever be where it once was. Sorry for such a long rant but I got my NPR's back , been too good to me :weightlifter:


Mine was a brand new 2006 NPR that I bought new in October of 2006. The ride was not bad for a heavy duty truck, and after a ride a few weeks ago in a tow truck ( had to have my 1992 Volvo 940 towed to the shop to have the distributor replaced, 260,000 miles and running strong on the orginal gas engine and tranny btw... ) the ride in the NPR was far better than that international rollback.

My problem with the ride was for me, I work hard and want / deserve a little comfort as I drive from stop to stop all day long. The jarring ride of sitting right on top of the front wheels, wheels with tires pumped up to 80+ psi, and leaf spring suspension, and a seat with minimal padding and spring support.... well it wasn't what I would coin as comfortable. It was a far cry from the 1/2 and 3/4 ton pickups I have owned.

The heat was bad inside in the summer, not only from the sun, but from heat coming up through the cab from the hot engine below it. I had my windows tinted too, but still the A/C just didn't blow hard enough to really cool me off unless I had driven for a good while between stops. My Tundras A/C blows tons of air, and it is cold air within 20 seconds of starting the engine, even when it is steaming hot outside.

You drive a 1998 Diesel. One day when your slow and bored, go by the dealer and drive one with the 6.0 gasser. You will be quite surprised. I test drove both before I bought the gasser.

[FordLawnLandscape]

Mine was a brand new 2006 NPR that I bought new in October of 2006. The ride was not bad for a heavy duty truck, and after a ride a few weeks ago in a tow truck ( had to have my 1992 Volvo 940 towed to the shop to have the distributor replaced, 260,000 miles and running strong on the orginal gas engine and tranny btw... ) the ride in the NPR was far better than that international rollback.

My problem with the ride was for me, I work hard and want / deserve a little comfort as I drive from stop to stop all day long. The jarring ride of sitting right on top of the front wheels, wheels with tires pumped up to 80+ psi, and leaf spring suspension, and a seat with minimal padding and spring support.... well it wasn't what I would coin as comfortable. It was a far cry from the 1/2 and 3/4 ton pickups I have owned.

The heat was bad inside in the summer, not only from the sun, but from heat coming up through the cab from the hot engine below it. I had my windows tinted too, but still the A/C just didn't blow hard enough to really cool me off unless I had driven for a good while between stops. My Tundras A/C blows tons of air, and it is cold air within 20 seconds of starting the engine, even when it is steaming hot outside.

You drive a 1998 Diesel. One day when your slow and bored, go by the dealer and drive one with the 6.0 gasser. You will be quite surprised. I test drove both before I bought the gasser.

The 6.0 is a great motor, and you're starting to see more and more NPRS 6.0s on the road. My dad bout a new Tundra last year i believe and loves it. Toyota has come along way in a short amount of time with full size trucks !

[TXNSLighting]

My dad bout a new Tundra last year i believe and loves it. Toyota has come along way in a short amount of time with full size trucks !

Aw man and i thought we could be friends! :laugh:

[FordLawnLandscape]

Aw man and i thought we could be friends! :laugh:

ROFL !! I said full size trucks (as in 1/2 tons) , not 3/4 tons which you and I are fans of !! :drinkup:

[TMlawncare]

Keep in mind that the gas and the diesel use different transmissions. The gas uses the regular gm transmission and not the Aisin that the diesel uses. The gm trans is much smoother shifting then the Aisin but it is nut nearly as rugged or reliable. Thats why gm uses the Allison in there hd trucks.

[TMlawncare]

I might be able to swing a new one....any idea what the bed would cost...all I do is mowing...would need cage for gas cans etc and racks for timmmer/blower.


I have a 2007 npr diesel. I had a 16ft Supreme Landscaper body put on it. It cost around 7k if I remember correctly.

[cclllc]

I too am considering the purchase of an NPR. I found a 2002 gaser with 12 ft bed for 8k.It has 88000 miles on it.The down side is it has a 12 foot box and a lift gate where I need the ramp.Can some of you post pics of your setups inside and out?

[Lawnworks]

I too am considering the purchase of an NPR. I found a 2002 gaser with 12 ft bed for 8k.It has 88000 miles on it.The down side is it has a 12 foot box and a lift gate where I need the ramp.Can some of you post pics of your setups inside and out?

You can put a dovetail on the box... I think I paid right at $1500 for mine. I would work on that price a little... I think you can get one for around 5-6k.

[rjgolfer]

I have a 2007 npr diesel. I had a 16ft Supreme Landscaper body put on it. It cost around 7k if I remember correctly.Do you like the landscape body set up vs hauling a trailer???

[SLC, LLC]

I will probably sound like a real dumba$$, but where can you find these things used at? I have been looking, yet run across virtually nothing unless it is a box truck. I am looking for dumps or flatbed dumps. I live in the St. Louis area, and am willing to drive several hours to pick up equipment. I've gone as 5 hours away for good equipment at a good price, so if anyone knows of anything that they would like to pass along - I would definately appreciate it.

[rjgolfer]

I will probably sound like a real dumba$$, but where can you find these things used at? I have been looking, yet run across virtually nothing unless it is a box truck. I am looking for dumps or flatbed dumps. I live in the St. Louis area, and am willing to drive several hours to pick up equipment. I've gone as 5 hours away for good equipment at a good price, so if anyone knows of anything that they would like to pass along - I would definately appreciate it.
I live in KC and have not looked too hard yet but didn't see much on the market....looking to spend 10-15K so will need to be an older model but haven't seen much

[Marek]

You can look at truckpaper.com Tons of used stuff on there.

[letsplay]

Has anyone used a cabover truck for a dingo setup? Open or enclosed box setup ideas or pictures would be great. Thanks.

[letsplay]

My one concern about a cabover truck with a dingo is I have a backhoe attachment that I use alot on my dingo so that would have to fit and go up the ramps while on the dingo. Just considering different setups this year. Thanks.

[Lawnworks]

My one concern about a cabover truck with a dingo is I have a backhoe attachment that I use alot on my dingo so that would have to fit and go up the ramps while on the dingo. Just considering different setups this year. Thanks.

I use my npr for my dingo.. but mostly I use my FRR since it is set up for irrigation. As far as the backhoe attachment, our NPR has an entire side that folds down for loading pallets and such. You could lay the attachment down first and then put the dingo on the truck.

[TMlawncare]

Do you like the landscape body set up vs hauling a trailer???
Myself and the employees all like the Isuzu. Btw, the air conditioner, atleast mine will almost freeze you. The Isuzu is great, we plan on adding another one in about two years. One thing we will do next time is get a little longer wheelbase. This way we can use a 18ft bed instead of the 16ft. For grass clipping and such we use a 1cu yd dump cart that easily fits off to one side. If needed we could add another. On the 16ft bed (13ft flat, 3ft dovetail) we can easily fit 2 60" turf tracers, 2 21" prolines, 1 1cu yd container and still have room left over. However with the extra 2ft I could get my 60" lazer on utilizing part of the dovetail.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

OK Guys I am buying a used 03 model GMC version diesel should I go with the 16' or 18' Box I can get either one I will have a beaver tail added with a ramp gate on it. I am thinking the 16 will be ok but the 18 would have plenty of extra room. What knid of ramp system do y'all use on yours? Can some of you guys post pics of your rigs?

[PROCUT1]

Selling mine if youre still looking

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=166502&highlight=2001+isuzu+npr

Thread with pics

[gmc1989]

I'm also looking at the npr. The one i'm looking at is a 1988 turbo diesel for $1500 i would like to hear you guy thought at the 88 turbo diesel get it or stay away

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

I was told that the ones older then I believe he said 99 models had tranny troubles from lack of a tranny cooler ......that came from the repair shop in town that doesn't sell any trucks just works on them.

[PROCUT1]

For 1500 if it runs its worth it.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

I just bought a 03 model Diesel 112,000 miles with a 18' box for $3275.00

[gmc1989]

i have a serious question can you put a plow on the front of a npr and if you can how good do they plow

[letsplay]

That is a question that I have aswell. I have never seen a plow on the front of the NPR's and wonder if that is why some contractors here still keep other brands of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks around in their fleets.

[Drew Gemma]

yes you can you need to add weight!
The Mitso Fuso model has 4x4 option

[gmc1989]

i talk to some dealers and some say you can and some say you can but I want to hear it from you guys that use the thing everyday

[gmc1989]

i know the fuso come in four wheel drive but they are exprnive to buy and fix does the npr come in a four wheel drive model or just two

[Lawnworks]

I just bought a 03 model Diesel 112,000 miles with a 18' box for $3275.00

Wow. How did you pull that off? Truck in good condition? Box or flatbed?

[rjgolfer]

I am looking at a 2002 Isuzu NPR gaser with 26,000 miles. Dealer will add new 16' landscape bed (12' plus 4' dove) They want $16,500. I looked on truckpaper.com and looks like the price is comparable to trucks listed there. Does this look reasonable ???? Miles seem VERY low for a 2002...."assume" they are actual miles???

[rjgolfer]

Same dealer has a 1998 GMC chassis (gasser) they would put the same 16' bed on. It has 130k miles...want 12,500. Seems a bit high to me. Cab is a bit rough and little rust on body.

[Lawnworks]

Those are "ok" deals... the gassers lose there value QUICK.

[rjgolfer]

Those are "ok" deals... the gassers lose there value QUICK.
Lawnworks...the Isuzu deal fell apart....so still looking. Are you the same Lawnworks here in Kansas City..?? If so I see lots of your trucks...any suggestions where I can buy a good used one?? The deal I mentioned above that fell apart was Mid West Truck in Olathe. Thanks for any suggestions.

[Lawnworks]

Lawnworks...the Isuzu deal fell apart....so still looking. Are you the same Lawnworks here in Kansas City..?? If so I see lots of your trucks...any suggestions where I can buy a good used one?? The deal I mentioned above that fell apart was Mid West Truck in Olathe. Thanks for any suggestions.

I am located in GA. I have found some pretty good deals on isuzu's. My latest purchases were a GMC W4500 with 100k diesel for $8300 and Isuzu FRR with 60k for 16k. I also bought a '95 gmc w3500 gasser with 130k for $3500 with a nice landscape body... more of a back-up truck but still a great deal. If you can be patient I would think you would be able to find a great deal in this economy. Keep an eye on craigslist and ebay... it seems dealers are oblivious to economy and probably have too much in it in the first place.

[rjgolfer]

I am located in GA. I have found some pretty good deals on isuzu's. My latest purchases were a GMC W4500 with 100k diesel for $8300 and Isuzu FRR with 60k for 16k. I also bought a '95 gmc w3500 gasser with 130k for $3500 with a nice landscape body... more of a back-up truck but still a great deal. If you can be patient I would think you would be able to find a great deal in this economy. Keep an eye on craigslist and ebay... it seems dealers are oblivious to economy and probably have too much in it in the first place.Thanks for you thoughts....TOTALLY agree on dealers not willing to deal!!! Maybe I can find a good deal here closer to KC. Will keep an eye on Craigslist and Ebay

[Lawnworks]

Thanks for you thoughts....TOTALLY agree on dealers not willing to deal!!! Maybe I can find a good deal here closer to KC. Will keep an eye on Craigslist and Ebay

I can see why you are having a hard time. I checked KC craigslist and found only 2 trucks for ridiculous prices... but if you check ATL craigslist you will find 20 trucks and a few that look like they could be deals and negotiated down to be really good. I guess they are just not popular in KC? Down here... your not a landcape company if you don't have one... they are literally everywhere.

[rjgolfer]

I can see why you are having a hard time. I checked KC craigslist and found only 2 trucks for ridiculous prices... but if you check ATL craigslist you will find 20 trucks and a few that look like they could be deals and negotiated down to be really good. I guess they are just not popular in KC? Down here... your not a landcape company if you don't have one... they are literally everywhere.
I went to ATL listings....and look like some good deals!! Yeah NOTHING here in KC....see some guys using them but see mostly trailers. I am a solo and getting rid of the trailer!! These landscape body's look much easier to work out of...so in the market but no much here in KC....any idea what it would cost to ship truck from ATL to KC?

[Lawnworks]

I went to ATL listings....and look like some good deals!! Yeah NOTHING here in KC....see some guys using them but see mostly trailers. I am a solo and getting rid of the trailer!! These landscape body's look much easier to work out of...so in the market but no much here in KC....any idea what it would cost to ship truck from ATL to KC?

I have no idea... you might be better off buying a cheap plane ticket and driving. Have you checked the TX craigslist? Seems like there market might be the same as ours.

[fastcutter]

Where looking for a good used one with a dump bed on it.... Something to use like 10 times a year.. and a Tax write off...

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

Wow. How did you pull that off? Truck in good condition? Box or flatbed?

That was taxes and all. I bought it from a very large company that was downsizing all there trucks and going to new stuff. I am getting a price tomorrow on the beavertail and gate. Here is a pic after the lettering is finaly removed from the other company it took forever to get the stuff off.

[Lawnworks]

You stole that one! I am thinking that would bring 10k on ebay if everything is in good condition.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

You stole that one! I am thinking that would bring 10k on ebay if everything is in good condition.

It runs great it has some dings in the cab but other then them everything is in good shape it has plenty of power. I think I will like it once we get it set up. Just trying to make sure it's what we realy want to work out of after using a trailer for 26 years.

[Gravel Rat]

I don't know how they got away with a box too long for the truck :dizzy:

The box is atleast 2 feet too long or it looks that way in the pictures. With that much over hang it has currently you could possibly lift the front tires right off the ground with enough weight.

If you had some side profiles of the truck so you can see where the rear wheels are and the end of the box is.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

I don't know how they got away with a box too long for the truck :dizzy:

The box is atleast 2 feet too long or it looks that way in the pictures. With that much over hang it has currently you could possibly lift the front tires right off the ground with enough weight.

If you had some side profiles of the truck so you can see where the rear wheels are and the end of the box is.

LOL I don't need side profiles the truck is in my yard ,I drove it home for 7 hours I know where the rear wheels are on it. 2 zero turns and 2 walk behinds I doubt will lift the tires off the ground.

[Gravel Rat]

I meant if you had a side picture of the truck. It really does look like the box grossly over hangs past the rear axle. I don't know what the laws are down in the USA but that would be classed as illegal here in B.C.

Legally you need 60% of the van body forward of the rear axle.

Trust me I know what I'am talking about been around trucking for many years also loaded and unloaded lots of freight out of GMC/Isuzu cab over trucks with vans on them. I doubt you would be putting 6 tons in a 5500 like the P+D guys do.

[SunState Lawn Care inc]

I meant if you had a side picture of the truck. It really does look like the box grossly over hangs past the rear axle. I don't know what the laws are down in the USA but that would be classed as illegal here in B.C.

Legally you need 60% of the van body forward of the rear axle.

Trust me I know what I'am talking about been around trucking for many years also loaded and unloaded lots of freight out of GMC/Isuzu cab over trucks with vans on them. I doubt you would be putting 6 tons in a 5500 like the P+D guys do.

This truck is a 3500 12,000 lb. It will never see that much weight in it using it in the lawn buisness like we do.

[Lawnworks]

You definately won't be picking up the front tires with a ZTR! Any NPR will pick-up the front tires if you load a skid on it. That is why they make jacks for the rear of the truck to make sure this doesn't happen. You will have to be careful if you put a dovetail on it though. You really have to be careful going up steep driveways or you will be stuck!

I think you will like the Isuzu. It will be a little long if you put a 4' dovetail on it. You might want to try to find one that fits flush but isn't too steep. I have a 16' box and 4' dovetail on my NPR and I would not want it any longer.

Oh and gravel rat my Isuzu FRR rated for 19,500 is twice the truck any superduty will ever be.

[Gravel Rat]

Around here we don't have Isuzu but the common truck was the W5000 GMC with 16 foot vans I unloaded close to 8 ton out of one. The little 16 inch tires were almost flat. It is amazing what the cabover GMCs carry but they are really slow when it comes to the hills. Like the saying goes set it and forget it when you climb hills put it in first gear and crawl up doing walking speed.

[fastcutter]

Around here the trucks are way to high for the miles on them.

[icftwltv]

This truck has only 23,000 well maintained miles. It has a custom 12 foot flatbed with reconfigurable sides. Sides can be a full 4 feet tall or a 4 foot pallet can be loaded from either side. Diesel engine runs perfectly, gets 15 miles per gallon and has received fresh synthetic oil every 3,500 miles. Truck is in extremely good condition and has a pto powered oversize dump hoist, cold air, cd player, power windows and locks, limited slip differential, tool box, deluxe mirrors and trailer hitch. This truck is nimble, capable, and is a pleasure to drive. It is extremely rare to find a comparable truck with such low miles. I paid $40,00 new and I am selling it for $20,000. Truck is located in Sarasota Florida. I can be reached at 941-924-3619

[Lawnworks]

Around here we don't have Isuzu but the common truck was the W5000 GMC with 16 foot vans I unloaded close to 8 ton out of one. The little 16 inch tires were almost flat. It is amazing what the cabover GMCs carry but they are really slow when it comes to the hills. Like the saying goes set it and forget it when you climb hills put it in first gear and crawl up doing walking speed.

My FRR(inline six... not that v8 diesel sh!t) with a gross weight of 23k will outclimb my duramax on any hill, and it will stop a dime with air assisted breaks. I can make my passenger eat windshield at over capacity.