Whats the prefered type of sprinkler for watering roses ?

[Bluelude1]

I have a decent size area of planter that is going to have carpet roses & knock-out roses and I was wondering what the best type of sprinkler head to water roses was? Drip would be an option, but unfortunately this section of the planter is on the same zone as the rest of the plants in the planter and adding an additional zone isn't an option. Should I go with a shrub head, spray head, or a bubbler?

Thanks in advance

[ARGOS]

Roses shouldn't be top sprayed, causes/encourages black spot. Bubblers.

[Kiril]

You can still do it in drip (netafim) providing your matching PR closely and have the same water requirements as the rest of the planting bed.
Now this is not saying I condone this practice, but if you really can't add another zone, it can be done.

On second thought, I would probably just convert the entire zone to use netafim if possible.

[ARGOS]

You can still do it in drip (netafim) providing your matching PR closely and have the same water requirements as the rest of the planting bed.
Now this is not saying I condone this practice, but if you really can't add another zone, it can be done.

Ditto. Ditto.

[Wet_Boots]

Bubblers - roses are desert creatures, and they don't like wet leaves.

[DanaMac]

Roses shouldn't be top sprayed, causes/encourages black spot.

Yeah, good thing rain comes from below. :)

Seriously, I've heard the same thing. I'm no master gardener or flower expert, so i can't say for sure if it happens.

What kind of heads are on the rest of the zone. Match it up.

[Bluelude1]

Roses shouldn't be top sprayed, causes/encourages black spot. Bubblers.

I was leaning toward bubblers myself being that they are easier to work into a standard spray head system then drip. But like anything else it never hurts to ask the opinions of people who do it all the time.

[Kiril]

Yeah, good thing rain comes from below. :)

You've been hanging around ML too long. :cry:

I was leaning toward bubblers myself being that they are easier to work into a standard spray head system then drip

Perhaps .... assuming you can get the coverage you need.

[Wet_Boots]

The easy answer to rose watering might change, if the breeding program in Oregon works out.

Just remember that bubblers were the classic method to water roses, and the gardener could hoe some trenches into the rosebeds to distribute the water.

[Mike Leary]

The easy answer to rose watering might change, if the breeding program in Oregon works out.

Link? I have not heard of this.

[ARGOS]

Just remember that bubblers were the classic method to water roses, and the gardener could hoe some trenches into the rosebeds to distribute the water.

Trenches are crucial OR you have new bubblers with dead roses.

I am taking an office day catching up on paper work. Kinda slow around here. I noticed Dana is on his game though.:)

[Wet_Boots]

Something I read somewhere in the newspaper. The program is using the rainy weather of the Northwest to find cultivars that can take it.

[Mike Leary]

I've had luck with 4" pop-ups and flat spray heads. It's not leaf wetness, per se; it's exposure to full sun and proper air movement.

[Mike Leary]

The program is using the rainy weather of the Northwest to find cultivars that can take it.

Interesting, we have lots of varieties of plants that get mildew; sorta goes
with the territory. The Rugosa & Nutka do great, they're natives.

[Wet_Boots]

I would use 1800 popups and bubbler, or stream nozzles, and the special Rainbird flow-restricting screens.

[ARGOS]

I've had luck with 4" pop-ups and flat spray heads. It's not leaf wetness, per se; it's exposure to full sun and proper air movement.

I agree full sun and proper air movement, watering in the morning are crucial, but my understanding is that new leaf growth and cane growth with too much overhead irrigation exacerbated black spot on the cane or leaf?

[DanaMac]

Kinda slow around here. I noticed Dana is on his game though.:)

Slowed down after the freeze from Wednesday. Trying to make calls now instead of at 6 PM. Going back out in a few for two more. I keep moving some of my jobs to tech #2. No more stress for me.

[Mike Leary]

my understanding is that new leaf growth and cane growth with too much overhead irrigation exacerbated black spot on the cane or leaf?

Good point, though I have seen roses watered with Stream-Rotors; they had southern exposure and proper spacing for air circulation.

[Wet_Boots]

Interesting, we have lots of varieties of plants that get mildew; sorta goes
with the territory. The Rugosa & Nutka do great, they're natives.I'm not sure how close they were to having a lot of product ready to market. It sounded like they were going to be taking a long view.

[DanaMac]

Good point, though I have seen roses watered with Stream-Rotors; they had southern exposure and proper spacing for air circulation.

what about in areas like Colorado Springs with very minimal humidity? Would top watering dry off quick enough to not be a problem?

[Mike Leary]

what about in areas like Colorado Springs with very minimal humidity? Would top watering dry off quick enough to not be a problem?

As with all "sensitives", I'd think just at sunrise would dry the leaf area fine. Nothing prettier than dew on a rose. :clapping:

[Kiril]

I've had luck with 4" pop-ups and flat spray heads. It's not leaf wetness, per se; it's exposure to full sun and proper air movement.

Actually it is first about spreading disease and secondarily about providing the correct environment.

[Mike Leary]

Actually it is first about spreading disease and secondarily about providing the correct environment.

You don't get "disease" with proper placement. Oh, and compost.

[ARGOS]

Slowed down after the freeze from Wednesday.

I meant slow around this forum...:sleeping:

I have a lot of paperwork to put off.

[Mike Leary]

I meant slow around this forum...:sleeping:
I have a lot of paperwork to put off.

Whenever billing is put off, the forum automatically goes to molasses mode.

[DanaMac]

Whenever billing is put off, the forum automatically goes to molasses mode.

I'm almost caught up with mine. back in the office now, so maybe I'll start on that. Or maybe a nap, and do some billing watching the baseball game. Naps are good. :sleeping:

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

stream sprays would do well..
is it a turff zone of shurb bed

[Dripit good]

Bubblers or drip I suppose is prefered. Dana makes the point.......rain (along with dew) will wet the leaves.

This is an age old discussion about carpet roses. I can tell you from keen observation and experience in this area there are no adverse effects watering these from above. We have many jobs with mass carpet rose beds that are being watered with spray and/or rotors that are beautiful. If you're up with your fertilizer, fungicide and insecticide treatments you should have no real problems.

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

ML...

We need you to do an irrigation tour 2009...

Seriously

[ARGOS]

If you're up with your fertilizer, fungicide and insecticide treatments you should have no real problems.

With proper irrigation some of the fungicide issues can be avoided, thus less spraying, etc. Better for the environment.

This is really hedging on the lawn care forum.

[Wet_Boots]

I'm no rose expert, but I know that most landscapes I see aren't created with rosebush health as a priority. I've done some rosebed irrigation, with watering close to the ground, and off the leaves, but some of those beds didn't have the right soil, or enough sunlight, to get great results.

[BrandonV]

here's another vote for bubbler/flooders... a lot of the diseases are spread by splash so even though mother nature rains from the top it's best to keep it to a minimum if you're going to have a rose garden

[AI Inc]

Never did anything but drip or bubblers on roses.

[Kiril]

You don't get "disease" with proper placement. Oh, and compost.

B.S. ! :hammerhead: However, it certainly helps prevent it. ... and you forgot ... proper watering.

Compost does a soil good!

[ARGOS]

Why hasn't anyone suggested "shrubblers"?

[hoskm01]

Why hasn't anyone suggested "shrubblers"?
No vulgarity allowed on the site!

[Kiril]

shrubblers/bubblers .... same diff.

[bicmudpuppy]

shrubblers/bubblers .... same diff.

Is he THAT new????? Do a search for shrubblers. You need more edumacation!

[hoskm01]

Is he THAT new????? Do a search for shrubblers. You need more edumacation!
The Shrubbler conflict of 2007. A scary time in the history of this site. Godspeed to those who lost everything in that terrible ordeal.


:::Plays funeral-like Trumpet tune:::

[Mike Leary]

The Shrubbler conflict of 2007. A scary time in the history of this site. Godspeed to those who lost everything in that terrible ordeal.

I don't think I will ever recover; my shrink agrees.

[Kiril]

Is he THAT new????? Do a search for shrubblers. You need more edumacation!

Get real mudpup. A shrubbler is nothing more than a micro bubbler. Perhaps you need more edumacation.

[DanaMac]

Get real mudpup. A shrubbler is nothing more than a micro bubbler. Perhaps you need more edumacation.

I think he's talking about the discussions on "shrubblers" and the notorious "sheshovel". Good times. Glad I stayed out of that one.

[Kiril]

I think he's talking about the discussions on "shrubblers" and the notorious "sheshovel". Good times. Glad I stayed out of that one.

Yes, perhaps. I vaguely remember a throw down with the she, not too long after "she" disappeared.

[bicmudpuppy]

The Shrubbler conflict of 2007. A scary time in the history of this site. Godspeed to those who lost everything in that terrible ordeal.


:::Plays funeral-like Trumpet tune:::

I "stand", scared, and battered, BUT I did survive:usflag:

[bicmudpuppy]

Get real mudpup.................... Perhaps you need more edumacation.

I do have enough sense to do a search when someone suggests it. If you want to be taken seriously, learn to refrain from ACTING like a noob. Even Rotar has enough experience here to KNOW shrubblers. <severe shudder>

[hoskm01]

Rotar has enough experience



Someone call Ripleys.




J/K Rotar.

[Kiril]

I do have enough sense to do a search when someone suggests it.

A search where .... this site, or the entire world. Over 1800 hits for "shrubbler" on google, where should I start?

If you want to be taken seriously, learn to refrain from ACTING like a noob.

And perhaps if you kept up on your daily intake of Geritol people would take you seriously as well. I mean really mudpup, do you really need to be an ass to EVERYONE. People who post like trolls (do a search) are the true noobs.

[bicmudpuppy]

And perhaps if you kept up on your daily intake of Geritol people would take you seriously as well. I mean really mudpup, do you really need to be an ass to EVERYONE. People who post like trolls (do a search) are the true noobs.

I thought I was fairly discriminatory about who I treated so well. And just to humor you, I used the obvious search function here on the site...............Yep, brought me back here to you and your last post. THAT I found funny.

[Waterit]

What are shrubblers?

::::ducks down below desk::::

[ARGOS]

Is he THAT new????? Do a search for shrubblers. You need more edumacation!

I try not to use icons, but does this clarify things?

Why hasn't anyone suggested "shrubblers"? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I was referencing sheshovel.

[Mike Leary]

What are shrubblers?

::::ducks down below desk::::

This will be explained at the right time; when we think you can handle it.

[Mike Leary]

[QUOTE=Kiril;25774 I mean really mudpup, do you really need to be an ass to EVERYONE. [/QUOTE]

Thanks for taking the weight off me & Dana.

[bicmudpuppy]

Thanks for taking the weight off me & Dana.

ROFLMFAO. It's been one of THOSE days and that hit me just right. Thx for the uplift!

[Waterit]

This will be explained at the right time; when we think you can handle it.

(The Beach Boys singing in the background: When I grow up to be - e a man...)

And when'll that be, Pa?

[hoskm01]

And when'll that be, Pa?



Come on, you could hear the twinkle in his eye.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/First_Appearance_Opie_Taylor.JPG

[Mike Leary]

Come on, you could hear the twinkle

"Paw, I sure would like won of them 700 cfm compressors."