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mrsops
11-01-2008, 10:43 PM
i know this is always a pain in the a** subject with trucks and what they can pull legally but i need a little help on this 1..

I'm looking into getting a bigger trailer to pull both my cat 305ccr and my bobcat t190 a total weight of about 19,000. I have a eager beaver 9 ton trailer that is 20' long and the machines don't fit together. I figured i would need at least another 4' to fit them nice. Problem is would my f-650 be able to pull that much weight and would a 10 ton trailer be able to do it?

Dirtman2007
11-01-2008, 10:49 PM
i know this is always a pain in the a** subject with trucks and what they can pull legally but i need a little help on this 1..

I'm looking into getting a bigger trailer to pull both my cat 305ccr and my bobcat t190 a total weight of about 19,000. I have a eager beaver 9 ton trailer that is 20' long and the machines don't fit together. I figured i would need at least another 4' to fit them nice. Problem is would my f-650 be able to pull that much weight and would a 10 ton trailer be able to do it?

I would think you would be ok, we pull our skid steer and attachments at a weight of 13,000+ with a F350 truck trailer and all it's just about maxed out his GVW at 26000 lbs

P.Services
11-01-2008, 11:01 PM
doesnt a 305 weight about 12,000 so that only leaves 7,000 for a t-190? if so they are light little bugers.

mrsops
11-01-2008, 11:02 PM
doesnt a 305 weight about 12,000 so that only leaves 7,000 for a t-190? if so they are light little bugers.

i think i messed up 305 weighs about 12,500 and the t190 weighs about 7,500 so thats 20,000 opps :laugh:

P.Services
11-01-2008, 11:05 PM
thats still not that much though. figure another 5k for the trailer and i would say a 650 would be able to pull that. not that i have done it but i have seen a 650 with a 450 case ctl and a 50d deere around town and it seems to get the train movin.

mrsops
11-01-2008, 11:07 PM
thats still not that much though. figure another 5k for the trailer and i would say a 650 would be able to pull that. not that i have done it but i have seen a 650 with a 450 case ctl and a 50d deere around town and it seems to get the train movin.

I pull my bobcat 334 and my t190 around with no problem but the 334 weighs like 5,000 lbs less then the 305.

P.Services
11-01-2008, 11:08 PM
why cant you put the t-190 in the f650 and then put the 305 on the trailer?

mrsops
11-01-2008, 11:15 PM
why cant you put the t-190 in the f650 and then put the 305 on the trailer?

do you mean put my t190 in my f-750 roll off? And then pull the 305 on the trailer? I tried that its kind of a hastle getting to the job with a big rig on these tight streets out here no less trying to find a spot just to disconnect the trailer then putting the roll off truck down to take the other machine out it took to much dam time. I need a big enough trailer to put both machines on and go to the job

P.Services
11-01-2008, 11:23 PM
it seems it would be even harder to get around with a bigger trailer.

how about a custom set of ramps that bridge the gap between the trailer and the roll off body so you just back the machine across the ranmps on to the trailer and then down the trailer ramps.

if i ever buy that 650 hook lift im going to do that.

mrsops
11-01-2008, 11:25 PM
it seems it would be even harder to get around with a bigger trailer.

how about a custom set of ramps that bridge the gap between the trailer and the roll off body so you just back the machine across the ranmps on to the trailer and then down the trailer ramps.

if i ever buy that 650 hook lift im going to do that.

I dont know maybe

bobcat_ron
11-02-2008, 10:39 AM
Don't skimp on a trailer, if you go heavier, you might end up grabbing more work for someone who needs a large excavator or loader hauled around, I haul people's machines around once in a while, and I get business out of them in the process.

mrsops
11-02-2008, 10:56 AM
Don't skimp on a trailer, if you go heavier, you might end up grabbing more work for someone who needs a large excavator or loader hauled around, I haul people's machines around once in a while, and I get business out of them in the process.

Me to ron that's funny i have moved peoples machines around with my international flatbed tow truck. Ron what size trailer you think will do it

bobcat_ron
11-02-2008, 11:09 AM
Me to ron that's funny i have moved peoples machines around with my international flatbed tow truck. Ron what size trailer you think will do it

25,000 pound capacity trailer 70/30 or 60/40 tilt with pop down approach tail, with air brakes, that's the only way I'd go.

GradeMan
11-02-2008, 12:45 PM
go with the pop up/ flip section trailer.... I really regret that decision, One of my guys damaged the truck when the trailer and truck rolled away...:cry:

Gravel Rat
11-02-2008, 02:02 PM
Buy a tandem axle rollback truck with a long bed :laugh:

If your going to be pulling a trailer with one of your single axles your going to make your hooklift truck with a body that has a fifth wheel or a gooseneck hitch. A conventional reach/pintle trailer behind a single axle is horrible to pull because you see saw on the rear axle.

You were saying your in tight streets you want the shortest trailer possible a gooseneck or fifth wheel would be better. As for a tilt trailer its not going to work if you want to haul two machines at a time. Even a splitdeck tilt wouldn't work because the skid steer is too long it still would be sitting on the tilt section of the trailer.

Dirt Digger2
11-02-2008, 02:09 PM
our backhoes weigh 17,000lbs and i wouldn't want to pull it with anything smaller then a 33K truck with air brakes

ksss
11-02-2008, 02:33 PM
I pull my TK TB153 (12.5K) and my 440 (7K) on a gooseneck trailer 31' long with 24K gvw with a GMC 5500. However I don't see a gooseneck being a real great thing in your congested streets. Hard to find a parking spot for 55' of truck and trailer. Looking for a trailer you may want to look at Towmaster. Very well built, all the specs are actual load carrying capacity, you don't have to subtract the weight of the trailer to get what you actually need.

mrsops
11-02-2008, 10:31 PM
I pull my TK TB153 (12.5K) and my 440 (7K) on a gooseneck trailer 31' long with 24K gvw with a GMC 5500. However I don't see a gooseneck being a real great thing in your congested streets. Hard to find a parking spot for 55' of truck and trailer. Looking for a trailer you may want to look at Towmaster. Very well built, all the specs are actual load carrying capacity, you don't have to subtract the weight of the trailer to get what you actually need.

really i didnt know that about towmaster ksss what about eager beaver??

bobcatuser
11-02-2008, 11:39 PM
I have a similar combo as Ksss. The truck is a Chevrolet 5500 standard cab (tow truck package) the trailer is a 24,000LB 25+5 GN. With my S185 and 334 on the combo scales at 14,300KG / 31 460LBS.

It will pass most commercial trucks on a 10% grade loaded and descend the hill in 3 gear with the exhaust brake holding the speed with minimal braking.

Gravel Rat
11-02-2008, 11:53 PM
Mrsops already has single axle trucks just have to modify one so a gooseneck trailer will work.

AWJ Services
11-03-2008, 07:57 AM
Here in Ga they take the total weight on scales, the distance between axles and the weight on each axle too determine total GVWR.

On the trailer you need too go by payload capacity not the 10 ton rating.
It seems common sense but the advertised ratings are confusing as each manufacturer does things different.
Eager Beaver makes a good trailer .They are very popular down here.
Most trailers will have a 20 foot deck till you get up into the 20 ton models which will have a 25 foot deck unless you get a custom or go too a Goose neck.

Take the machine weights and add too trailer weight then subtract tongue weight which will give true axle weight.
Gooseneck hitches increase the trailer capacity over a tag hitch.

ksss
11-04-2008, 12:47 AM
really i didnt know that about towmaster ksss what about eager beaver??

You see a few of their smaller trailers here, but I cant say that I have seen any larger ones. If I am not mistaken Eager Beaver has plant in Idaho somewhere but they don't seem to have much of a presence here in the market.

ksss
11-04-2008, 12:50 AM
I have a similar combo as Ksss. The truck is a Chevrolet 5500 standard cab (tow truck package) the trailer is a 24,000LB 25+5 GN. With my S185 and 334 on the combo scales at 14,300KG / 31 460LBS.

It will pass most commercial trucks on a 10% grade loaded and descend the hill in 3 gear with the exhaust brake holding the speed with minimal braking.

I wish I had the exhaust brake. When I bought my 5500 they were having some problems with them. I need find one in the aftermarket.