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PSUTURFGEEK
11-07-2008, 09:01 PM
I was wonderinfg if any of you have had any experience with dealing with Tech Bloc, my crew recently saw a demo class done by "Paver Pete" don't get this mixed up with Herbicide Henry, anyway it just seemed like everything he spoke of was I I I I I did this I changed the industry, nothing that really made you want to use Techo, he also constantly trashed all the other block companies, I find this to be bad business practices, he also embarrassed the other speakers by calling them Yahoo's this is just our experience.

AL Inc
11-07-2008, 09:34 PM
I've read similar things about Pete. But I went to a Techo seminar earlier this year, and didn't get that impression at all. Yeah, the guy is confident and sort of outspoken, but I got the impression of a person that worked hard to get where he was. I watched him during the lunch break, he answered guys questions and seemed very down to earth. He definitely kept everyone entertained. I've been to other all day seminars where I actually fell asleep:laugh:

DVS Hardscaper
11-07-2008, 10:57 PM
I've known Pete for about 11 years now.

Yes, Pete likes to self-promote :)

But ya know what.......so do most of us that participate in these online forums, as in reality look at our posts, they all say "I" "I" "I".

And honestly, he has made a name for himself. I think he even has his relatives and neighbors calling him "Paver Pete". Thats what we call *Name Branding*

He knows his audience.

You have to know Pete to love Pete. Overlook the ego and he's a decent guy.

Compared to Techo - most of the other manufacturers are "trash". Pete tells it like it is. I respect people who are straight forward.

Sometimes his ego lets him get carried away. A couple years ago he did a seminar, had a speaker from OUT OF STATE, he rudely only gave the man like 3 minutes to speak. And yes, he was rude. If I came from out of state and was only given 3 minutes - I would have been FURIOUS. I do not like rude people.

Techo has a great product.




I'm editinging this post because I type on a laptop and my fingers hit like 3 keyysss at once when I type!

PSUTURFGEEK
11-08-2008, 12:02 AM
I agree, but why trash the products he hyped as the best for so many years? it takes away the respect factor and makes you think he will move on to another company when the price is right and then that company is the new best paver.

DVS Hardscaper
11-08-2008, 09:39 AM
Certainly can't argue with you on that one!

Oh, it can get rather amusing when you've known someone for an extended period of time!

Believe it or not - he HAS toned it down quite a bit!!

See, I have this bad trait about myself - I remember everything that people say. There are certain comments I clearly recall a certain someone (bless his heart) making about the manufacturing process of a particular brand. Then, when a certain someone wound up working for another company - I clearly recall that someone making the same comments about the manufacturing process of the new company!!!

Dreams To Designs
11-08-2008, 11:25 AM
Pete can be abrasive, but just as your post has illustrated, he gets peoples attention and gets them talking. Agree or disagree, he definitely stimulates discussion with his passion. You will never agree with everything anyone has to say, but Pete makes you think.

As for their product, it is a premium product at a premium price. Their quality and support is better than any other manufacturer I have dealt with. Techo-Bloc takes great pride in their product, manufacturing and innovation in the industry. If you have never tried it, especially the walls. Next small job you get, go Techo, you will not be disappointed. Being in Pennsylvania, as you are, Pete would not be your direct rep, so make contact with the Techo-Bloc rep that covers your area and the dealers he represents. Most have some great displays to show off to your client and will go above and beyond to satisfy your needs. If the dealer doesn't have a great display, let Paver Pete know and he get that taken care of. Techo know they must impress you and your client to get a shot at your business, but once they do, their quality and support should keep you happy.

Kirk

DVS Hardscaper
11-08-2008, 12:11 PM
And to be fair, this thread is titled "techo bloc".

I will say that I had a minor concern and to my surprise I got a call from Techo. Not from Pete. Not from a manager. But from the OWNER! He took the time to hear my concern, and it turns out they were already aware and were already handeling the issue. And he also told me to feel free to shoot him an e-mail ANYTIME.

That alone is worth it's weight in gold.

We have NEVER had one problem with Techo's product, and have been using Techo for about 5 years.

woodwardschris
11-08-2008, 04:20 PM
Every time someone mentions that they had a problem with a certain product, there are always people that respond they had the same problem and there are always those people that have never had a problem.

No one company is perfect. It is critical that if you have any defective product, contact your supplier as soon as possible. We will make sure your concerns are heard.

Inca is a new product and while it is nice, I think they are having some growing pains. I understand that the molds are rubber and occasionally, dirt or waste material can get caught in the mold which will bulge it, thus creating a product that will not line up properly. I had a contractor who let me know of a problem with his lines and I immediately presented the situation to my rep. He agreed it was a problem and I immediately gave my contractor two replacement pallets while TB issued me a credit. We delivered the material and the contractor had minimal down time.

I would expect TB will review their process and work to fix their problems while they are shut down over the winter (they do not produce material during the winter months and use this time to fix/clean/upgrade).

Always let your suppliers know of any problems and we will work with manufacturers to improve their products.

AztlanLC
11-10-2008, 01:35 PM
Doesn't matter who has the best product if no one is there to support it.
We had a large TB job this season since customer really wanted to use Inca stone we called one supplier since our don't sell TB and just to get the samples was a pain then we contacted TB directly and they told us they couldn't provide us with the sales rep phone # that we had to talk to our dealer and they would call the sales rep.
And most of the TB dealers in the area are just a pain to deal with that is mi issue with TB but the times I have used their product I can say they are well design it.

Paver Gangster
11-10-2008, 09:48 PM
I can understand an installer having a favorite product, and telling everyone how much they like it, but to classify "most" paver products on the market as "trash" is quite unfair. Techo is a very good product, no doubt about it, but I have also had positive experiences with Cambridge, Unilock, EP Henry, Belgard and Rinox, all who make very high quality concrete usually at a fair price. Those that dont, not worth talking about, and we shall leave it at that. No manufacturer is perfect, that is a fact.

As for this Pete the Paver fellow bashing other manufacturers, it begs the question: if his product is so bloody good, then why does he have to put down other lines? As for him putting down other "experts", I'm sure Peter knows his stuff, and is a good show, but buy me a pint and I can come up with about 100 installers who I would rank over him.

DVS Hardscaper
11-10-2008, 11:16 PM
I can understand an installer having a favorite product, and telling everyone how much they like it, but to classify "most" paver products on the market as "trash" is quite unfair. Techo is a very good product, no doubt about it, but I have also had positive experiences with Cambridge, Unilock, EP Henry, Belgard and Rinox, all who make very high quality concrete usually at a fair price. Those that dont, not worth talking about, and we shall leave it at that. No manufacturer is perfect, that is a fact.

As for this Pete the Paver fellow bashing other manufacturers, it begs the question: if his product is so bloody good, then why does he have to put down other lines? As for him putting down other "experts", I'm sure Peter knows his stuff, and is a good show, but buy me a pint and I can come up with about 100 installers who I would rank over him.


And that brings up another thought -

One of Techo's big sales pitches is that their products are pumped up on Viagra, meaning they boast about the density of their products.

And I have never bought into this.

When we started out, we installed Belgard pavers. And ya know.....I have to say we have never had a problem with Belgard's paver's density, not even back when they were having major quality issues. Never. So yeah, I understand the importance of a decent density of pavers, but it's not something that has ever been an issue in the last 12.5 years.

Paver Gangster
11-11-2008, 12:13 AM
One of Techo's big sales pitches is that their products are pumped up on Viagra

Now is that part of the ASTM paver standard, or the Canadian standard? :D :D :D

PerfiCut L&L
11-11-2008, 04:47 AM
We've attended a few seminars where Pete has participated, as well as some of their show case seminars.

Personally, techo is about 90% of what we sell. They have a great product, and outstanding customer service/support.

A couple years ago, we did a project and had some issues with the cap stones. The design of caps had two 1" channels on the under side to allow for their plastic pins to lay. Works great if your running a strait line. But on curves it doesnt work at all, not to mention you lose about 40% of the surface area for which to glue.

Techo was aware of this problem and was in the middle of changing the stones design. They sent us as many as we needed to replace the poorly designed stones, at no additional cost. Personaly, I thought this is what they should have done, but I didnt even have to ask.

I will continue support Techo regardless of their higher prices. Great company, Great product. YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH TECHO.

ford550
12-12-2008, 09:47 PM
We are exclusive Techo for 6 years. I have tried the rest, my guys told me if I ever have a non-Techo project again, they won't do it. And I have to agree. Just lift a Techo 6" block and someone elses 6" block and you will feel the difference. A techo wall will be the same at the top dead level as you started it on the first row. Also Techo pavers are much denser. Our diamond blades last half as long as when cutting someone elses paver that's how much harder they are. We use over $000,000 in Techo product per year, so I know what I am talking about. I haven't found anybody to match their tolerances, especially with walls. No shimming here!

DVS Hardscaper
12-12-2008, 11:27 PM
Kinda like a house. You can have 2x4 walls or you can have 2x6 walls.

I've never heard of a house collapsing because the walls were 2x4's, instead of 2x6's.

Going on 13 years in the paver bidness, we've installed junk and we've installed the best. And to this day, never have even the junk pavers turned out to have issues deriving from low density. Sorry, this density stuff doesn't phase me.

I prefer Techo. I don't need any ridiculous sales pitches, just give us a nice product and stand behind it and we'll be a customer for as long as we're in business. Easy as that.



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ford550
12-13-2008, 09:39 PM
I prefer Techo. I don't need any ridiculous sales pitches, just give us a nice product and stand behind it and we'll be a customer for as long as we're in business. Easy as that.


i would have to agree.

Hard at Werk
12-24-2008, 12:21 AM
I have had some problems with Belgard as I'm sure most of you have. I actually had to replace 100' of cap (cut every piece- all curved) because they all fell apart. I dont know if that is due to improper density or a bad mix, most likely a bad mix. Then we were doing a driveway out of dublin cobble and oh man did we get stuck. We had 20+ bad skids, the thickness tolerences were like a quarter inch. As a result of those mishaps the supplier dropped belgard and replaced them with CST which I think is just as bad. Love techo pavers. Walls are ok. Advice: Do not use minicreta plus for curved walls with a small radius, it starts looking like poor craftsman ship because there are I think 5 diff sizes. And what happens is when you start curving the only way you can make it look good is if you use the same block on top of each other. If you use diff block the curve starts wondering off, you can make adjustments by cutting which is what I had to do to make it look presentable. But a pain in the @$$

DVS Hardscaper
12-24-2008, 11:40 AM
I have had some problems with Belgard as I'm sure most of you have. I actually had to replace 100' of cap (cut every piece- all curved) because they all fell apart. I dont know if that is due to improper density or a bad mix, most likely a bad mix. Then we were doing a driveway out of dublin cobble and oh man did we get stuck. We had 20+ bad skids, the thickness tolerences were like a quarter inch. As a result of those mishaps the supplier dropped belgard and replaced them with CST which I think is just as bad......


Sounds like problems that Belgard had up to about 2 years ago, which have since been overcome. Or, if it was recently, perhaps it was old inventory?

steve5966
12-24-2008, 01:21 PM
Keep in mind some products are made by licensees. It's been my experience that all manufactures are not held to the same standards. I know most of you don't travel to work, but we will go where the work is. You would be surprised at how many places don't have qualified wall builders. We mainly use Anchor products for our walls and we have bought product out of St. Louis, Alabama, Texas and Omaha. Except for Texas the product has all been good quality. In Texas, Anchor wall block is made by Pavestone. When the block showed up at the job (6 hour delivery drive time) and the guys started installing, I recieved the first of many calls about block quality. My first reaction was, it's just a few bad blocks. Then it might have been a bad batch. The guys were seperating the bad from the good and when I went back to Texas after having a hundred pallets delivered to the job, I see thirty six pallets of bad block. Seperating block is time consuming and expensive for any of us to do, but this job only has three guys working it. The sides of all these block are broken or chipped to the point that 3/4 backfill will fall out of the wall. I'm not a happy guy when things don't go right due to someone elses f***up and we had already talked to everyone who had anything to do with these blocks. Anchor, Pavestone, reps and local suppliers. Well, Pavestone sends their sales rep and Anchor sends their regional rep to meet with us. The first thing the Pavestone rep says about the block is that they are acceptable and nobody in Texas complains about them. If nobody in Texas complains that could mean that I'm an overdemanding prick or Texas contractors should hide their heads in shame. At this point I have given up and the Anchor reps hands are tied, due to Pavestone selling a million block a year. We go to see a recent wall job done with these block, but before we get there the Anchor rep tells me i'll see the issue before I even get close to the wall. It looked like they were making a limestone bed in front of the wall, there was so much falling out.

Sorry about the rant, but the point is it's not only the brand you use , but who is making it.