RB 5004 pc $6.50

[turfman59]

My supplier is now offering these for a limited time, I paid $7.10 all summer long, is this a good price, as far as what eveyone else is paying

[hoskm01]

make it stainless and plus, and im sold.

[turfman59]

make it stainless and plus, and im sold.

so you are saying not a great price??

[hoskm01]

pretty good for one without the plus. I cant even but non-plus 5000's at my supplier any more. Except for fulls, they are still gettin rid of those.

[turfman59]

Your kidding me!! grab all I can get or what?

[hoskm01]

Your kidding me!! grab all I can get or what?
Thats like saying... VCR tapes are being phased out. Even though you have a DVD player, suck up all the tapes now, because you should!

Leave em, if its a site you have to work on in the future.

[turfman59]

I am looking at the lowest price....Do you think the rb5000 is like a vcr tape.
There is only one manufacturer for the 5000 unlike many for vcr tapes which are still being manufactured...My thoughts are Home cheapo or lowes will be getting them with a different top on them with there own logo....Its time to take this antiquated supply chain up to a different notch

[Mike Leary]

make it stainless and plus, and im sold.

Make it a 6" and I'm in; only dweebs use 4" heads.

[hoskm01]

never seen 5k's at HD or Lowes. Dont think they can afford them. No one smart enough to shop there would buy a 5k, anyway, too expensive, too complicated.

"I screwed this in like you said, and it shoots a lot of water, not very far."

"Let me call the RainBird guy, Ill get right back with you"

"What RB Guy? They have to put a nozzle in the head? How is that done?"


Like I said, never seen em there, dont think they ever will be. The old head, without the plus, I am equating to VCR vs. Tape. Old vs. New. Dont be too literal here.

[turfman59]

They are in Menards with a different color top, they sell for about 19.00. They have it advertised now and then with a 12.95 price point too...

[turfman59]

and their prenozzled with a number #3

[EBHC]

5004 PC = $6.00 each case amounts @ Shemin

[ICS]

used to get them for 5.48 now 5.61. I usually buy a pallet at a time (600)

After you kick in the rewards points.... you are getting a price that is hard to beat, especially with the trade in warranty

[AI Inc]

My supplier has been selling them for $6 since August.

[Waterit]

Make it a 6" and I'm in; only dweebs use 4" heads.

Oh, so now I'm a dweeb dork piker. With the 3 names I'm starting to feel more southern:laugh:

[EagleLandscape]

i think we've been paying somewhere in the $5 range. It's what we use.

[LawnMastersTx]

I pay $7 each, but its my first season in irrigation and i have only bought about 100 of them.

[turfman59]

Now you see why I want to CO-OP I have bought over 2500 this year and now at the end of the year they want to give me a price that everyone else has been getting all along

[lawns Etc]

I pay $6 case or $7 singles add .50 for plus

[sprinklerchris]

K-Rain RPS-75 at Stovall $6.25 each. Just like PGP. Or 5004 for $5.99

If you're payin more than $7.00 for a rotor, start shopping.

[bicmudpuppy]

Now you see why I want to CO-OP I have bought over 2500 this year and now at the end of the year they want to give me a price that everyone else has been getting all along

I hate to burst your bubble, but 2500 rotors doesn't put you in the right ball park to get a volume discount. That can't be 100 systems, or if it is, they are fairly small. I worked with an outfit in DFW that (in 1995) was on Hunter's top 50 contractors list...........the ONLY Hunter product we bought at that time was the PGP with a few I-20's thrown in. The later picked up the ICC because of the crap with the ESP's at that time. The growing pains with the ICC were as bad or worse. Is 125 cases two pallets? Ask for a pallet discount from your supplier. If they order in the pallet for you, AND you take the pallet, they would probably sell them to you at a nickel over cost. Realize that those really low fall and spring rotor prices are below cost promo's from the manufacturer. Your never going to get that, even with major co-op ordering. If you feel that strongly about it, open your own parts house. Pick a chain that is NOT in your area and offer to foot all the expenses in exchange for dealer pricing, etc. My bet would be they would jump at the chance for a new, funded franchise.

[sprinklerchris]

The prices I quoted are season-long from my supplier. If you are paying more than $7.00 per rotor, shop around and ask for a season-long price.

It's no longer the late 90's in our industry when the manufacturers could afford to dictate price because of booming sales. Now they are all happy to secure your business for the year, even if they have to give a little on price.

[DanaMac]

I hate to burst your bubble, but 2500 rotors doesn't put you in the right ball park to get a volume discount.

I think I have been paying between $6.00 and $7.00 this year. and I don't buy 1000.

[bicmudpuppy]

I think I have been paying between $6.00 and $7.00 this year. and I don't buy 1000.

I realize that, and I also realize that rotors get sold below wholesale in a lot of branches in an attempt to boost overall sales. Hunter, Bird, Toro all play the same game. They want to be the biggest bestest baddest and that title hunter has had for so long as the top "selling" rotor is the grand prize. Even if they have to almost give them away. I can remember buying PGP's for less than $6 on "special" when they had been $10 the season before. Or, better yet, $2 cheaper at one supplier vs another. We bust our own chops on this one. You go to supplier X because the rotors are $2 cheaper. You buy 2 cases of heads and save $40, BUT you over pay for all the little items that "don't count" and end up paying $100 more than you would have if you had paid a "fair" price for the rotors at your regular supply house. I'm a cherry picker. I know my prices. When I was in DFW, I knew what each parts house was selling at what matrix to me, AND I kept tabs on the sale flyers. When I'm at one spot buying parts for a repair, I pick up 2 cases of heads for the up coming install because they are a loss leader. Tomorrow, I'm going to be across town next to another supplier who has my preferred valves on sale.....etc. If I was picking up the parts for an install, I would kill myself with the time and cost of fuel, BUT if I plan ahead, I can save a few bucks.

I am the jerk, now, who calls my rep from company X and tells him the rep from company y just stoped by to save me 5% on my next fert app. So, what are we going to do about it? and after he caves, ask him if I've been getting screwed for the last few tonns? or did the price just change yesterday? My point is that even as a coop, your not going to make the volume to get the attention from the manufacturer to get a decent price, BUT you can squeeze your local supplier into thinning his margin, OR at a minimum, keep him honest!

[Hustlinfireman]

Just saw the 5004 at a Lowe's that just opened i Fayetteville. It is pre-nozzled with a #3. The only exception is they are now calling it the 42-SA. selling for $12.95.

[Waterit]

Just saw the 5004 at a Lowe's that just opened i Fayetteville. It is pre-nozzled with a #3. The only exception is they are now calling it the 42-SA. selling for $12.95.

They should be calling it a piece of crap instead. I don't know the technical details of how it differs from the 5004 I buy from Ewing, but I do know their failure rate is huge compared to the 5004. I've had 3 bad 5004's so far this year out of several hundred installed. All 3 were straight out of the box won't-turn scenarios. We've probably replaced 10 times that many 42-SA's.

[Wet_Boots]

Hey, doesn't Orbit sell a version of the 5004? :p

[hoskm01]

Just saw the 5004 at a Lowe's that just opened i Fayetteville. It is pre-nozzled with a #3. The only exception is they are now calling it the 42-SA. selling for $12.95.
That crapper has been at HD for many years. Never looked close to see if it has even close to the same features. Weve replaced plenty of these also, this year.

[turfman59]

Open up my own Branch AAAHHH NO ! CO-OP I want to see it become the way of the future...Is there anyone out there that Knows of one???? or has purchased from one....I really dont want to just talk about the fricken price of a RB5000 I want to talk about the future of the B2B and the oppurtunitys all installers would share by implementing this program....Just act like the last supply house on earth blew up and we are starting over as all of us are now becoming owners of the supply chain and still maintain are install companys.. I am not saying that you would be the one running it or selling parts over the counter I am saying there has to be huge leverage by consolidating purchases in this network nationally......

[turfman59]

That crapper has been at HD for many years. Never looked close to see if it has even close to the same features. Weve replaced plenty of these also, this year.
I have yet to see one installed in my market by a contractor but a few installed by mowing contractors that thought they were helping the client out.

[irritation]

I've seen a few of the 42-SA's and can't tell a much of a difference with the 5004's. I haven't seen one go bad yet.

[DanaMac]

I haven't seen one go bad yet.

Seen plenty go bad. Three on one home. Same with the retail KRains. All junk. Junk Junk Junk. And more junk.

[Mike Leary]

[QUOTE=DanaMac;2603395 All junk. Junk Junk Junk. And more junk.[/QUOTE]

Works for me, reminds me of the Hunter PGMs.

[DanaMac]

Works for me, reminds me of the Hunter PGMs.

Funny you mention it. I was at my post office on Wednesday checking PO Box for $$$. As I was walking to my truck, I caught a PGM with my boot along the curb and broke it off. Must have been blown out recently. I saw two others sticking up.

[Wet_Boots]

Keep kicking those heads!! :)

[ARGOS]

I caught a PGM with my boot along the curb and broke it off.

It deserved it.

[ARGOS]

Just act like the last supply house on earth blew up and we are starting over as all of us are now becoming owners of the supply chain and still maintain are install companys.

Let me wrap my mind around this.

[Who is John Malt]

Funny you mention it. I was at my post office on Wednesday checking PO Box for $$$. As I was walking to my truck, I caught a PGM with my boot along the curb and broke it off. Must have been blown out recently. I saw two others sticking up.

Someone just got some service work. At least they can throw a PGJ in the body (if they're smart enough).

[AI Inc]

Someone just got some service work. At least they can throw a PGJ in the body (if they're smart enough).

I would thorw in a pgp and finaly call it a good head. IMO pgj is junk too.

[DanaMac]

I would thorw in a pgp and finaly call it a good head. IMO pgj is junk too.

Ditto. Any mini rotor is junk. I have higher failure rate on ANY of those than any "regular" rotor.

[turfman59]

Ditto. Any mini rotor is junk. I have higher failure rate on ANY of those than any "regular" rotor.
I would humbly agree toot toot

[sprinklerchris]

I would thorw in a pgp and finaly call it a good head. IMO pgj is junk too.

PGJ is the same gear drive as PGM, just a different nozzle turret. Both have tiny gears that are easy to clog. Gimme a PGP or RPS any day.

[Who is John Malt]

Ditto. Any mini rotor is junk. I have higher failure rate on ANY of those than any "regular" rotor.

Agreed but if that's what is already there...I'd prefer to slap in all new 1800SAM's with MP2000's for the short throws.

[Mike Leary]

Agreed but if that's what is already there...I'd prefer to slap in all new 1800SAM's with MP2000's for the short throws.

As long as you have runtime.

[DanaMac]

Agreed but if that's what is already there...I'd prefer to slap in all new 1800SAM's with MP2000's for the short throws.

Why would you replace ONE rotor head with spray and MP? as Mikey said, run time. Plus it seems just as bad to me to replace a rotor with a spray, or vice-versa. Keep the heads the same on the zone.

[Who is John Malt]

Am I not the Program Master? (As long as it doesn't involve my nemesis, the dreaded Touch Command.)

[Mike Leary]

(As long as it doesn't involve my nemesis, the dreaded Touch Command.)

Carefull, You've still got a couple in service & remember what your wife said about keeping me around.

[Who is John Malt]

You know I'll tear those TC's out if they piss me off. They better feel lucky we have you around. :wall

[Mike Leary]

They better feel lucky we have you around. :wall

They do, however, they have been talking to our Rain Masters. Word gets around.

[Waterit]

Am I not the Program Master? (As long as it doesn't involve my nemesis, the dreaded Touch Command.)

That's hysterical - my nemesis is the Greenskeeper - always forget they require a double-tap to start manually.

I still have a couple of TC's inservice too - one is at an architectural millwork factory, where we use it to run a lacquer thinner separator.

[Who is John Malt]

That's hysterical - my nemesis is the Greenskeeper - always forget they require a double-tap to start manually.

I still have a couple of TC's inservice too - one is at an architectural millwork factory, where we use it to run a lacquer thinner separator.

A better service would be boat anchor (for both units). Or Boots' use of the hydraulic press. Better entertainment value anyway.