Why so quiet about GM'??????

[nosparkplugs]

Karma is bliss, "what comes around goes around"

[hosejockey2002]

Wtf are you talking about? All of the big three are in trouble, Chrysler almost as bad as GM.

[Petr51488]

Hey at least all 3 agreed to have a $1.00 sallary and sell their jets! lol

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

Hey at least all 3 agreed to have a $1.00 sallary and sell their jets! lol

yep, just read about that yesterday. chrysler said they might not last even a few weeks, and gm is worse off than they are. ford said they could hold their own until 2010 but not longer if the economy doesnt pick up.

have you guys heard the news about opec...

[Petr51488]

yep, just read about that yesterday. chrysler said they might not last even a few weeks, and gm is worse off than they are. ford said they could hold their own until 2010 but not longer if the economy doesnt pick up.

have you guys heard the news about opec...

2010 is alot longer then the other two! whats the news with opec?

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

venezuela and iran and some other nations are in trouble b/c they have been making their budgets with oil pegged around 100 a barrel. since its been dropping to 50, they wont be able to spend as much as they have been and now they want the more conservative nations like saudi arabia to cut production so that oil will go back up to 100 a barrel. the saudis dont like this b/c it means they have to cut their production but venezuela and iran will keep producing or cut just a lil bit to make up their profits. they had a meeting in cairo earlier this year and could not come to an agreement. there is alot of dissention among the opec nations b/c the conservative nations like the saudis, algeria and qatar can continue operating on their budgets b/c they only need the oil at around 50 a barrel whereas the others want it up at 100 but dont want to make the same sacrifices to get it there.

there is also talk of russia not joining opec, but entering an agreement to control output to raise the price per barrel, which saudi arabia does not like either.

if opec does break down (it wont completely, it just wont have the same power and control) all the countries will just pump as much oil as they can which means cheap fuel for everyone in the short run, but who knows what that means for the long run.

[nosparkplugs]

Come on:laugh: don't act stupid many here are "anti-Dodge, and would be ALLL over Dodge had they been worst off. At least Dodge can survive, and hang with Ford into the new year.


Like I have said with Cerberus Capital Management owning Chrysler they have deep pocket to fund their shortfalls. CCM will of course try to milk the US government first, you could not pay me to own a GM product. Just like many could never own Dodge

[stuvecorp]

Come on:laugh: don't act stupid many here are "anti-Dodge, and would be ALLL over Dodge had they been worst off. At least Dodge can survive, and hang with Ford into the new year.

I guess I didn't understand what the point was but now I get it. If the Cummins would have been put in the Ford chassis instead of Dodge they would have been gone years ago.(beating the dead horse)

Besides Obama is going to send me a new 3500 GMC crewcab Dmax so that GM can survive.:)

[nosparkplugs]

I guess I didn't understand what the point was but now I get it. If the Cummins would have been put in the Ford chassis instead of Dodge they would have been gone years ago.(beating the dead horse)

Besides Obama is going to send me a new 3500 GMC crewcab Dmax so that GM can survive.:)


The heavy duty truck lines of the big three has always been the most profitable. The average US citizen no longer needs, and now cannot afford the SUV's. Truck sales alone cannot support GM, Ford, or Dodge. It's well known GM has always been too proud to admit they cannot build a diesel ie 6.2L 6.5L will never win any awards, they had to horse trade SUV product line's R&D with Isuzu for the Duramax. Ford uses the Cummins 5.9L ISB in the F-650 to this date.

Cummins & Dodge's loyalty has been extraordinary, to say the least. The fact that Cummins has not strayed from Dodge, speaks volume. Guess Cummins is Dodge's salvation, yet their is so few on the road according to the Lawnsite truck "hierarchy" soon that will change too

[TXNSLighting]

The heavy duty truck lines of the big three has always been the most profitable. The average US citizen no longer needs, and now cannot afford the SUV's. Truck sales alone cannot support GM, Ford, or Dodge. It's well known GM has always been too proud to admit they cannot build a diesel ie 6.2L 6.5L will never win any awards, they had to horse trade SUV product line's R&D with Isuzu for the Duramax. Ford uses the Cummins 5.9L ISB in the F-650 to this date.

Cummins & Dodge's loyalty has been extraordinary, to say the least. The fact that Cummins has not strayed from Dodge, speaks volume. Guess Cummins is Dodge's salvation, yet their is so few on the road according to the Lawnsite truck "hierarchy" soon that will change too

Just think if the cummins could run without a truck! Then there would still be alot still on the road!! :laugh:

[hosejockey2002]

you could not pay me to own a GM product. Just like many could never own Dodge

Most people who have some sense don't have blind brand loyalty. I've owned several examples of all three brands, and at times have cussed and praised all three. Right now I own two GM products, both of which I am totally pleased with, and two Fords, one of which occasionally causes me to swear. However, my next purchase will likely be a Jeep- a Chrysler product. I also have no problems with the imports, good vehicles, just none that I am interested now since they don't sell a HD pickup or a soft-top SUV.

I hope that the big three all survive, but they really need to up their game when it comes to economy cars which like it or not are the future. Gas may be cheap at the moment, but we all know it could be $4 a gallon a year or two from now. None of the big three make a car that averages better than 35 mpg in combined driving, which is pathetic considering that the Japanese did that with cars that had pushrods and carbuerators nearly 30 years ago. None of the big three have available in the states small cars with clean diesel or hybrid technology. All three have wasted their hybrid technology on SUVs or pickups, which is like developing an engine with incredible towing capability like the 6.7 Cummins and instead of putting it in a 1-ton pickup placing it into a muscle car. It might make for interesting conversation, but not very practical and not a good use of technology.

[WH401]

Most people who have some sense don't have blind brand loyalty. I've owned several examples of all three brands, and at times have cussed and praised all three. Right now I own two GM products, both of which I am totally pleased with, and two Fords, one of which occasionally causes me to swear. However, my next purchase will likely be a Jeep- a Chrysler product. I also have no problems with the imports, good vehicles, just none that I am interested now since they don't sell a HD pickup or a soft-top SUV.

I hope that the big three all survive, but they really need to up their game when it comes to economy cars which like it or not are the future. Gas may be cheap at the moment, but we all know it could be $4 a gallon a year or two from now. None of the big three make a car that averages better than 35 mpg in combined driving, which is pathetic considering that the Japanese did that with cars that had pushrods and carbuerators nearly 30 years ago. None of the big three have available in the states small cars with clean diesel or hybrid technology. All three have wasted their hybrid technology on SUVs or pickups, which is like developing an engine with incredible towing capability like the 6.7 Cummins and instead of putting it in a 1-ton pickup placing it into a muscle car. It might make for interesting conversation, but not very practical and not a good use of technology.

Exactly. Why should I be impressed with a hybrid SUV that can get 20 mpg with a huge a$$ price tag when I can go buy a 5.9 Cummins with a stick and get close or better than that mpg, for half the price. Why waste that kind of technology on something that is only going to do marginally, or not even better at all, than older vehicles already on the road. Yeah hybrids are green, but people dont have the green to pay for the green right now.

[IA_James]

Just think if the cummins could run without a truck! Then there would still be alot still on the road!! :laugh:

Alot more 6.doh trucks too.

[nosparkplugs]

Most people who have some sense don't have blind brand loyalty. I've owned several examples of all three brands, and at times have cussed and praised all three. Right now I own two GM products, both of which I am totally pleased with, and two Fords, one of which occasionally causes me to swear. However, my next purchase will likely be a Jeep- a Chrysler product. I also have no problems with the imports, good vehicles, just none that I am interested now since they don't sell a HD pickup or a soft-top SUV.

I hope that the big three all survive, but they really need to up their game when it comes to economy cars which like it or not are the future. Gas may be cheap at the moment, but we all know it could be $4 a gallon a year or two from now. None of the big three make a car that averages better than 35 mpg in combined driving, which is pathetic considering that the Japanese did that with cars that had pushrods and carbuerators nearly 30 years ago. None of the big three have available in the states small cars with clean diesel or hybrid technology. All three have wasted their hybrid technology on SUVs or pickups, which is like developing an engine with incredible towing capability like the 6.7 Cummins and instead of putting it in a 1-ton pickup placing it into a muscle car. It might make for interesting conversation, but not very practical and not a good use of technology.


Was there some diesel "love" in their:laugh:


The Diesel engine technology is already in production, VW has reintroduced the 1.9L turbo diesel to north america for the 09 Jetta this diesel is Tier 3 50 state EPA complainant, and gets 35mpg city, and 43 highway. Clean Diesel technology while not perfect, is a renewable energy that can be used RIGHT NOW. No recharging, expensive battiers, or massive Hybrid R&D. It would be cost effective to correct the issue ASAP with more clean diesel, that would give the auto indutry, and us breathing room the think of better solution's. I know Hybrid technology as it currently is, cannot fix our problem. Diesel can fix it right now
BMW, AUDI have reintroduced their diesels to North America, but this is nothing new for the Europeans, just a diesel rebirth to the US market. Diesel engines are the norm in Europe; while gasoline engines are rare. That speaks volume, and we could solve many of our short term problems without spending all this money on hybrid cars, just slap a green diesel in the current chassis, and BAME. That will reduce over crude oil consumption right now, and then work on the long term solution. You could even retrofit CNG to diesel engines further increasing our MPG, and decreasing our dependency on foreign oil. Diesel is the Future

During the 80's my father would bring home the GM oldsmobile 350 diesel V8 program cars for us to use:laugh:, and while that engine program failed it had many success, one during that time diesel fuel was .89 cents a gallon cheaper than gasoline, and while underpowered compared to today's standards it was fuel efficient with decent power in a passanger car. The program was scraped; because the gasoline engine block & head just could not stand up to the higher compression of the diesel cycle.

66% of the american public say NO to the auto bail-out; while many talk of the end of the world, and bankruptcy is not an option because the "experts" agree no one would purchase, or want to own, or sell a automobile from a bankruptcy auto company. Also all the warranties would be voided when chapter 11 or 13 was filed. Liquidation would then be the only option left.

Their was talk today, that even 35 billion would not be enough to save the auto industry. Also even with the 35 billion bail-out their is still zero guarantees that it will work. Why; becuase the banks are not lending credit; yet those institutions just got their handout. I don't foresee the banks just opening their credit lines once GM, Chrysler, Ford are bailed-out. It boils down to JOBS, from the bottom up, saving the taxpayer's job, yet it was the CEO's CFO's that caused this whole financial mess. SO should we bail-out the auto industry? when Zero dollars will go to the folks who need the money, oh thats right "you got to keep your job" WAFJ:laugh:

How about this if my tax dollars are used to bail the Auto industry out. I want a frickin steep arse discount, or free diesel truck? their is zero proof that the whole country will be crippled if the auto industry fails. So if it does not effect me here in the South, I want compensation for my trouble!!!!