f250 4x4 7.3L powerstroke vs 35 ft gooseneck?

[childret]

Should I buy a 35 ft gooseneck anderson or just go with the 25ft.....im pulling it with a f250 crew cab long bed 4x4......ill be hauling a cat 277b and some pallets of sod......to much weight for that small of truck? How much can I haul realistically. The trailer is rated for 20,000 lbs

[Marek]

What rear does the truck have ? How old is it and how often will you be towing ?

[TandM]

I think this will be pushing that truck honestly or 250 with the 6.0 can barely handle 10000 pounds of weight behind it so Id go with a dually or something with more gvwr

[childret]

its an 01...not sure the rear end but its single rear wheel....ill be towin it 2 or 3 times a week

[TandM]

ya I thnk a bigger truck is in need how bout a 3500 dodge witha cummins?

[DBFlawn]

its an 01...not sure the rear end but its single rear wheel....ill be towin it 2 or 3 times a week

Deffinatly need a bigger truck for that. I'd look for a 350/3500 something like that to pull it. You can probably get one for a decent price with the way the market is now

[redneck farmer]

Towing that often I'd go with a bigger truck probably a F-550.

TandM, not sure about a F250 with the 6.0 powerstroke barely be able to handle 10,000 pound I have a F350 with the 6.0 powerstroke with a 24ft 14000 gooseneck and I can load it right on up to the 14000 total and the truck handles it like nothing. This is my truck hauling my brothers pulling tractor the tractor is between 10000- 11000 popund with no extrenal weights

[Green Pastures]

250 with the 6.0 can barely handle 10000 pounds of weight behind it


BS

:dizzy:

[TXNSLighting]

Should I buy a 35 ft gooseneck anderson or just go with the 25ft.....im pulling it with a f250 crew cab long bed 4x4......ill be hauling a cat 277b and some pallets of sod......to much weight for that small of truck? How much can I haul realistically. The trailer is rated for 20,000 lbs

It will tow it no problem, its just how much weight is it going to carry? That truck can carry 12-14k no problem. Puts some air bags on the truck if youre concerned.
T & M: I had an 04 6.0 and loaded 15k on it, and it pulled it with ease...Youre getting some false info.

[SuperDuty335]

I can tow in excess of 10000lbs. with my Excursion 7.3 3.73's and still average 13mpg along country roads with plenty of power to spare. My F350 dually 7.3 IDI can handle a lot more weight it just takes longer to get there.:rolleyes:

[CALandscapes]

I hate to "rat" myself out for letting my guys haul more than the truck is rated for, but we've pulled 25k+ with a Dodge 2500 Cummins...

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

I hate to "rat" myself out for letting my guys haul more than the truck is rated for, but we've pulled 25k+ with a Dodge 2500 Cummins...

Check this out!
I weighed close to 30k, Truck pulled it like a champ!

[PLM-1]

I'm registered to 30k and gross over that occassionaly. As long as your rear axle isn't over-weight it's no big deal. It's all about how you load your trailer. It's easier to pull more weight with a longer trailer, especially if the axles are more forward.

[Gravel Rat]

If you want to pull a long trailer better find a shorter truck. A 35 foot long trailer behind a crew cab. Can you say wide turn. For what your trying to do I would find a short wheelbase 3 ton truck. They are cheaper than a P/U truck and alot safer.

Something like this where you can put a flatdeck on it with a fuel tank, tool boxes etc and able to pull the trailer with anyload and have braking power and capacity to do it. You can buy a decent used medium duty for 20 grand. The truck will go 400,000 miles or more and work everyday. The cost per mile is far cheaper to run a medium duty truck than a P/U truck pulling a heavy trailer.

www.commercialtrucktrader.com/find/listing/photos/print/90932698/

[TXNSLighting]

Did anyone think maybe he doesnt want to get a new truck? Or cant? Hes fine how it is. And GR i have pulled with CC LB many a times. Its not hard. If youre a good driver it doesnt matter.

[hosejockey2002]

I think this will be pushing that truck honestly or 250 with the 6.0 can barely handle 10000 pounds of weight behind it so Id go with a dually or something with more gvwr

After you grow up and learn something about trucks you'll realize that a dually can't pull any better than a single rear wheel truck. It may be able to carry more weight, but the powertrain is the same. Also, the big three's diesel trucks all have roughly the same towing capacity, give or take a thousand pounds or two, and choosing one brand over the other is basically a matter of personal preference, not capability.

Back to the OP's question, yes a full size diesel pickup will tow 20K, but that's like towing 6K with a Ranger or S10. His biggest issue will be that if he is towing 20K he will be well into class A CDL territory. It's not a problem if he and the truck are properly licensed, but IMO in the long run it's more economical and easier to use a real truck and not a pickup to move those kinds of loads.

[all ferris]

Overloaded truck + injury wreck = LAWSUIT

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

One major issue that nobody has mentioned is gearing. A truck like mine with a 4.10 gear ratio will PULL a heavy load better than a truck withh a 3.55 ratio. So consider that when choosing a truck.

Gravel Rat, In no way is it cheaper to run a medium duty truck than it is a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Show me some figures to support that please.

[Gravel Rat]

For one you can buy a medium duty for almost the same price as a P/U truck. A diesel P/U brandnew here is 45-50,000 dollars for a truck that will last maybe 4 years.

A P/U truck gets poor fuel mileage a medium duty with say a 466 International will get the same and pull more weight. Medium duty trucks are cheaper to fix you can do a complete brake job for less money than a dually P/U. A medium duty with a 466 International or a C7 Cat or ISC Cummins will give you far far better performance than a 6.7 Cummins, 6.4 Ford or Duramax.

Maybe you flatlanders that crap your pants if you see a steep hill will realize pulling a heavy trailer behind a P/U truck is suicidal.

That one picture you posted Even Cut with the trailer full of hay I wouldn't even consider doing that here. The first down grade you would be dead no question asked. The weight of the load would overcome the truck push it uncontrollably and smash into a rock bank or into the trees. Your instant dead with a load like that I bet you never seen a 11-12% grade.

If you want to pull a trailer that is heavy get the proper sized truck. If your electric brakes ever failed your road kill. A 3/4 ton or 1 ton DOES NOT have the braking power. I can see why they have the CDL rule down in the USA it keeps people from doing stupid things like grossly overloading P/U trucks pulling trailers playing wanna be big rig.

Maybe you might change you mind about pulling a heavy load behind a P/U truck when your brakes get so hot that your brake fluid boils you have no brakes. The brakes are so hot they can catch fire. Yep seen it happen, stupid people pulling too heavy of a load. Its a scary ride when your decending a 10% grade that twists and turns while your rocketing down it over 62 mph.

There are hills in my area that with my 03 F-450 grossing 15,000lbs has troubles with the brakes holding on a hill. The brakes on a 03 F-450 are the exact same brakes used on a 03 F-550 with a 19,000lb gvw.

A OBS Powestroke Ford with disk/drum brakes can't stop at the best of time you want to try pull a heavy trailer behind it.

The bare minimum truck should be F-450/550 with the best brake controller you can buy. The trailer brakes in top condition and the trucks brakes in top condition. Never count on a exhaust brake the potato in the exhaust pipe does very little.

I do :laugh: when I see you guys brag it up on what you can pull with your P/U trucks. Try the same stunt where I live your eyes would bug out of your head as you see your truck skid out of control.

Currently the CVSE (DOT) in my province is cracking down on landscapers etc pulling trailers with equipment on them. Nailing them with being over weight and not proper licensing.

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

Gravel Rat brings a really good point. Alot of guys on here brag how much their trucks can tow, but rarely consider if their brakes are up for the task.

ive been in some pretty scary situations with our 1 ton dump (rear drum brakes) they get hot and you get a spongy pedal. we have changed our front rotors due to warpage quite a few times.

at least in our area, we dont haul anything on steep grades. Ill be lucky to even see a 10% grade if im ever towing/hauling something heavy.

our 2500hd has slotted rotors and hawk pads and will still heat up pretty good towing our mowing rig around town all day.

our next dump is gonna be a class 5 for sure. then if we expand enough, add in a 6 or 750 for the heavier jobs.

[dura to the max]

I think this will be pushing that truck honestly or 250 with the 6.0 can barely handle 10000 pounds of weight behind it so Id go with a dually or something with more gvwr

my 97 GMC 3500 w/ a 5.7 gasser hauled a forklift that weighed in at the scrapyard at 10k plus the weight of the trailer w/ no issues. you have a problem it sounds like...

o wait, they listed the problem in the center of the grille, they circled it too so it would be easy to see.

[DBFlawn]

o wait, they listed the problem in the center of the grille, they circled it too so it would be easy to see.


lmao haha I never thought of it like that

[dura to the max]

lmao haha I never thought of it like that

lol:laugh::laugh::laugh: im a chevy/gmc guy BTW:weightlifter::weightlifter::weightlifter::weightlifter:

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

For one you can buy a medium duty for almost the same price as a P/U truck. A diesel P/U brandnew here is 45-50,000 dollars for a truck that will last maybe 4 years.

A P/U truck gets poor fuel mileage a medium duty with say a 466 International will get the same and pull more weight. Medium duty trucks are cheaper to fix you can do a complete brake job for less money than a dually P/U. A medium duty with a 466 International or a C7 Cat or ISC Cummins will give you far far better performance than a 6.7 Cummins, 6.4 Ford or Duramax.

Maybe you flatlanders that crap your pants if you see a steep hill will realize pulling a heavy trailer behind a P/U truck is suicidal.

That one picture you posted Even Cut with the trailer full of hay I wouldn't even consider doing that here. The first down grade you would be dead no question asked. The weight of the load would overcome the truck push it uncontrollably and smash into a rock bank or into the trees. Your instant dead with a load like that I bet you never seen a 11-12% grade.
If you want to pull a trailer that is heavy get the proper sized truck. If your electric brakes ever failed your road kill. A 3/4 ton or 1 ton DOES NOT have the braking power. I can see why they have the CDL rule down in the USA it keeps people from doing stupid things like grossly overloading P/U trucks pulling trailers playing wanna be big rig.

Maybe you might change you mind about pulling a heavy load behind a P/U truck when your brakes get so hot that your brake fluid boils you have no brakes. The brakes are so hot they can catch fire. Yep seen it happen, stupid people pulling too heavy of a load. Its a scary ride when your decending a 10% grade that twists and turns while your rocketing down it over 62 mph.

There are hills in my area that with my 03 F-450 grossing 15,000lbs has troubles with the brakes holding on a hill. The brakes on a 03 F-450 are the exact same brakes used on a 03 F-550 with a 19,000lb gvw.

A OBS Powestroke Ford with disk/drum brakes can't stop at the best of time you want to try pull a heavy trailer behind it.

The bare minimum truck should be F-450/550 with the best brake controller you can buy. The trailer brakes in top condition and the trucks brakes in top condition. Never count on a exhaust brake the potato in the exhaust pipe does very little.

I do :laugh: when I see you guys brag it up on what you can pull with your P/U trucks. Try the same stunt where I live your eyes would bug out of your head as you see your truck skid out of control.

Currently the CVSE (DOT) in my province is cracking down on landscapers etc pulling trailers with equipment on them. Nailing them with being over weight and not proper licensing.

Wow, Where do I start?
My cummins gets 12mpg loaded please show me a medium duty truck that will do that empty! They dont make them! Why would a diesel P/U only Last 4 years? that makes absolutely no sense! Sorry but a medium duty truck is not cheaper to maintain either.

I pulled that load across several 10% grades to get to my destination. So yeah, dont try and tell me that I'm a flatlander that craps my pants at an 11-12% grade. Oh and I had no trouble so its not suicidal. And I didn't smash uncontrolably into any rock banks either. Why would I wanna play big rig? I have a Class A CDL and Frequently opperate my Dads Peterbilt 379 and A KW Wrecker. I know my trucks' limits and don't need some foriegner telling me I'm stupid for doing it.

As far as brakes go, I t sounds like you are talking from Experience there. You should relly be more careful Gravel Rat! I am greatly concerned for your safety.The weight of the load would overcome the truck push it uncontrollably and smash into a rock bank or into the trees. Your instant dead with a load like that. I keep my trailer brakes in tip top condition and have the best brake contollers in all my trucks.You should do the same apparently.


So, After all that you still didn't answer the original question.
Gravel Rat, In no way is it cheaper to run a medium duty truck than it is a 3/4or 1 ton truck. Show me some figures to support that please.
Today 11:25 AM

[TandM]

ok haha I didnt mean a 350 dually I know that the dif between single and dually isnt that much I meant a truck in the 550 5500 range. As I stated a truck that can handle the load better thats all.

[TandM]

and ya that blue oval def hurts the truck thats the problem lol

[TandM]

and the 10000 pounds was on a 20 foot open car trailer? I guessing thats what you would call it and its bumper pull. it was two asphalt rollers the which weighed about 6000 pounds each I found out today so make that 12000 pounds plus the trailer and it sits down so much and it doesn't like it at all!! the gmc pulls it like a dream and our 3500 cummins cant hardly feel it lol. but ya that 250 cant pull worth a crap to me maybe ours is a dud? its only got 110 k on it.

[Jerry Lee]

Should I buy a 35 ft gooseneck anderson or just go with the 25ft.....im pulling it with a f250 crew cab long bed 4x4......ill be hauling a cat 277b and some pallets of sod......to much weight for that small of truck? How much can I haul realistically. The trailer is rated for 20,000 lbs

to answer the rear end i think the 01 has 3.73, and on top of that the 7.3 is a heck of a motor, i know that will take the weight for shure. and the fact its a 3/4 ton it may sag a bit but that year of ford was a in my opinion the best that and 02's. so i think ul ttruck will handle the 35".

[ovalracer44]

Check this out!
I weighed close to 30k, Truck pulled it like a champ!

So you are a law man by night and you overgross a truck and overload it on its towing capacity.

I have always wondered why I hate cops. Thanks for the answer.

[Marek]

Nothing like taking truck advise from a 15 year old right Tand M ?

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

So you are a law man by night and you overgross a truck and overload it on its towing capacity.

I have always wondered why I hate cops. Thanks for the answer.

Yep, And I broke the speed limit once too!

[OrangeToys]

Since most people here know what they are talking about I figured I would ask what my truck can do. 2004 Silverado 2500HD 6.0 w/ 4.10 gears

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

Since most people here know what they are talking about I figured I would ask what my truck can do. 2004 Silverado 2500HD 6.0 w/ 4.10 gears

Hey Man, We are almost neighbors! What are you needing/wanting to pull with your truck?

[OrangeToys]

Hey Man, We are almost neighbors! What are you needing/wanting to pull with your truck?

I was starting to think nobody was a member on here near me...oh nothing specific just one of those curiousity things that I would like to know, what people have been able to pull with a similar truck. I think it could do a lot.

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

I was starting to think nobody was a member on here near me...oh nothing specific just one of those curiousity things that I would like to know, what people have been able to pull with a similar truck. I think it could do a lot.

Easily pull a skidsteer and several attatchemnts, just depends really. My dad has a similar truck and has pulled whatever we have hooked to it, But for heavy loads we use my Dodge 1 ton.

[nosparkplugs]

If you want a real tow truck get a Dodge Cummins 5.9L ISB; I can relate personally to the Ford 7.3L powerstroke's weak performance towing, Ford's are great trucks no argument on that, but the Powerstroke's in any configuration one or two turbo's is just not equal to a Cummins. I thought I was on top of the game with a 02 7.3L Ford f-350 crew dually I had for the business. That was until I found this Dodge Cummins 2500 it is able to just snatch this trailer & tractor 14,500GTWR like it's under 10,00GTWR. You will never hear a Cummins owner or me wondering if their{my} truck can handle a load, its always, should i really be towing this much weight with my truck.

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[nosparkplugs]

Check this out!
I weighed close to 30k, Truck pulled it like a champ!

That's what I'm talking about :laugh: Your crazy:clapping:
If you got the "cocernerts" to hook up to it a Cummins will tow it with ease.
ONLY with a Cummins:clapping:, you could still pass FERDS with that load going up hill

[TXNSLighting]

I like those wheels bud. Makes that truck look real good.

[Jerry Lee]

If you want a real tow truck get a Dodge Cummins 5.9L ISB; I can relate personally to the Ford 7.3L powerstroke's weak performance towing, Ford's are great trucks no argument on that, but the Powerstroke's in any configuration one or two turbo's is just not equal to a Cummins. I thought I was on top of the game with a 02 7.3L Ford f-350 crew dually I had for the business. That was until I found this Dodge Cummins 2500 it is able to just snatch this trailer & tractor 14,500GTWR like it's under 10,00GTWR. You will never hear a Cummins owner or me wondering if their{my} truck can handle a load, its always, should i really be towing this much weight with my truck.



those moto metals look awesome on ur truck.:clapping:

[hosejockey2002]

Since most people here know what they are talking about I figured I would ask what my truck can do. 2004 Silverado 2500HD 6.0 w/ 4.10 gears

Your truck has a GCWR (maximum combined weight of truck and trailer) of 16000 lbs. If you are on the flat it will tow more than that fine but a weak aspect of that truck is the relatively tall first gear of the 4L80E transmission combined with relatively low off-idle torque compared with the diesels and big block engines. That combo makes it hard to get a load rolling on a steep hill. Once you are going, that motor pulls very strong, you just have to keep your foot in it and the revs up. My truck loaded to 14,500 combined will go 65 up a 6% grade, but it needs 4500 rpm in second gear to do it. Since that motor redlines at 6 grand, it will run 4500 all day with no problems at all.

[Gravel Rat]

With any high revving gasser is don't let the rpms fall so take good runs at hills and try not to stop on any steep hills or you may not get moving again.

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

With any high revving gasser is don't let the rpms fall so take good runs at hills and try not to stop on any steep hills or you may not get moving again.

So I take it you are ignoring my reply to you reply?

[nosparkplugs]

and the 10000 pounds was on a 20 foot open car trailer? I guessing thats what you would call it and its bumper pull. it was two asphalt rollers the which weighed about 6000 pounds each I found out today so make that 12000 pounds plus the trailer and it sits down so much and it doesn't like it at all!! the gmc pulls it like a dream and our 3500 cummins cant hardly feel it lol. but ya that 250 cant pull worth a crap to me maybe ours is a dud? its only got 110 k on it.


No you don't have a "dud", you found out what I did? By towing the same trailer weight comb with another diesel on the market. If you stick with a Ford Powerstroke for LIFE you would be fine their nothing special, and will not win any race's. Don't get into a Duramax or Cummins, and expect to be impressed with a Powerstroke ever again.

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

well, put a 5.9L cummins out of the 07 dodges into an f350 and id be set!! but it aint happening, so ill take what i can get. lol.

[Gravel Rat]

So I take it you are ignoring my reply to you reply?

Why bother argue what you do would land you jail time here and maybe loose your truck.

Trust me you haven't seen any hills. Bring your Dodge to B.C. Canada and decend some of the hills. Love to see it you would crap yourself. Only the inexperienced do stupid stuff like grossing a P/U truck to 30,000lbs.

The CVSE inspectors would have fun with you the fines would be high enough you won't be doing a stupid stunt like playing wannabe 18 wheeler with a Dodge.

Oh ya it is cheaper to run a medium duty I'am not stupid to try to gross 30,000lbs with a P/U. Like I said YOU have absolutly no clue on what steep grades are.

I'am not going to argue I drive on 10-12% grades 365 days a year. Ohya I'am a CDL driver.

This is a easy hill its only 9% and has no curves. This a hill in B.C.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TXRvsvRnBA

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

Why bother argue what you do would land you jail time here and maybe loose your truck.

Trust me you haven't seen any hills. Bring your Dodge to B.C. Canada and decend some of the hills. Love to see it you would crap yourself. Only the inexperienced do stupid stuff like grossing a P/U truck to 30,000lbs.

The CVSE inspectors would have fun with you the fines would be high enough you won't be doing a stupid stunt like playing wannabe 18 wheeler with a Dodge.

Oh ya it is cheaper to run a medium duty I'am not stupid to try to gross 30,000lbs with a P/U. Like I said YOU have absolutly no clue on what steep grades are.

I'am not going to argue I drive on 10-12% grades 365 days a year. Ohya I'am a CDL driver.

This is a easy hill its only 9% and has no curves. This a hill in B.C.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TXRvsvRnBA

Whatever Man, I'm not impressed with your video. You worry bout you and I will worry bout me.

[Gravel Rat]

As commercial driver we report guys like you to CVSE or DOT because we get sick of the CVSE picking on us commercial guys and they are starting to listen and they are putting guys like you grossing P/U trucks way past their limit out of business.

You can stick with your flat land your a farmer I assume or work in farming trying to do things cheap. I hope you stay east of the Rocky mountains because you would need a pair of depends :laugh:

Does your neighbourhood have residential driveways with 15% grades. Are they steep enough that your truck can't climb them without being in 4 wheeldrive on dry concrete.

Leave the steep grades to people with experience I would love to see you have a white knuckle ride you would probably soil yourself :laugh:

[nosparkplugs]

Lets all get along here :canadaflag:*trucewhiteflag*:usflag:

[TXNSLighting]

Nothing wrong with the powerstrokes. I have had several and loved them all. My 6.0 was so fast and hauled crap so well. Just as good as my cummins did. I love the cummins, i love the powerstroke, and i love the duramax. They're diesels!! Lets all get along and stop bashing eachothers diesels, and stop saying one is better than the other!! This argument is getting so very old!!!!!!!!!

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

Nothing wrong with the powerstrokes. I have had several and loved them all. My 6.0 was so fast and hauled crap so well. Just as good as my cummins did. I love the cummins, i love the powerstroke, and i love the duramax. They're diesels!! Lets all get along and stop bashing eachothers diesels, and stop saying one is better than the other!! This argument is getting so very old!!!!!!!!!

I agree.... I like Dodges. Ryan likes Fords. No reason we cant get along just because someone drives a different brand of truck.

[TXNSLighting]

I agree.... I like Dodges. Ryan likes Fords. No reason we cant get along just because someone drives a different brand of truck.

Thanks i like dodges as well! They all have their fun points and bad points. Id drive any of them and be proud.

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

Thanks i like dodges as well! They all have their fun points and bad points. Id drive any of them and be proud.

Ditto, Hows the lighting biz going down there? Ive got a job coming up at a 1mil plus home and they want alot of lighting done! I may have to holler at ya...

[TXNSLighting]

Ditto, Hows the lighting biz going down there? Ive got a job coming up at a 1mil plus home and they want alot of lighting done! I may have to holler at ya...

FLy me up! Ill get it taken care of, its very slow down here. Havent done much of anything the past few weeks. Were selling live christmas trees now to pass the time.

[Even Cut Lawn Care]

FLy me up! Ill get it taken care of, its very slow down here. Havent done much of anything the past few weeks. Were selling live christmas trees now to pass the time.

lol...we'll see. It would probly be faster to drive tho its only about eight hours. I'm supposed to meet with the contractor next week to get okay.

[TXNSLighting]

Alright! Tell me when and im on my way! You pay for the diesel up of course. Ha!

[GWhunter]

[QUOTE=nosparkplugs;2633535]If you want a real tow truck get a Dodge Cummins 5.9L ISB; I can relate personally to the Ford 7.3L powerstroke's weak performance towing, Ford's are great trucks no argument on that, but the Powerstroke's in any configuration one or two turbo's is just not equal to a Cummins. I thought I was on top of the game with a 02 7.3L Ford f-350 crew dually I had for the business. That was until I found this Dodge Cummins 2500 it is able to just snatch this trailer & tractor 14,500GTWR like it's under 10,00GTWR. You will never hear a Cummins owner or me wondering if their{my} truck can handle a load, its always, should i really be towing this much weight with my truck.

This is typical internet propaganda. All of the big three are very close in hp and torque numbers. They all haul well with each having there strong suits. If you like a certain brand great but don't preach you opinions as fact. This type of stuff gets so old.

Matt T.;)

[Gravel Rat]

Dodge boys always have to try prove that Dodge is better to justify the worst decision they ever made buying the cheapest and poorest built P/U truck on the planet.

Any truck will pull a heavy load it all depends on how low the gears are. Stopping the load is another story.

Look at tractor trailers back in the 60s to 80 they grossed 80,000lbs the trucks only had 160-180 hp 6/71 Detroits or old 220 Cummins compared to todays trucks with 16 litre engines 600hp and 2000 ftlbs torque doing the same 80,000lbs.

I do find it funny any Dodge guy never talks about the truck itself its all about the Cummins the rest of the truck is too embarrasing :laugh:

[nosparkplugs]

I agree.... I like Dodges. Ryan likes Fords. No reason we cant get along just because someone drives a different brand of truck.

[QUOTE=nosparkplugs;2633535]If you want a real tow truck get a Dodge Cummins 5.9L ISB; I can relate personally to the Ford 7.3L powerstroke's weak performance towing, Ford's are great trucks no argument on that, but the Powerstroke's in any configuration one or two turbo's is just not equal to a Cummins. I thought I was on top of the game with a 02 7.3L Ford f-350 crew dually I had for the business. That was until I found this Dodge Cummins 2500 it is able to just snatch this trailer & tractor 14,500GTWR like it's under 10,00GTWR. You will never hear a Cummins owner or me wondering if their{my} truck can handle a load, its always, should i really be towing this much weight with my truck.

This is typical internet propaganda. All of the big three are very close in hp and torque numbers. They all haul well with each having there strong suits. If you like a certain brand great but don't preach you opinions as fact. This type of stuff gets so old.

Matt T.;)

Is this Propaganda!! or just the truth

TandM said this, You should tell him to stop posting that "negative Propaganda" about Ford 250.

and the 10000 pounds was on a 20 foot open car trailer? I guessing thats what you would call it and its bumper pull. it was two asphalt rollers the which weighed about 6000 pounds each I found out today so make that 12000 pounds plus the trailer and it sits down so much and it doesn't like it at all!! the gmc pulls it like a dream and our 3500 cummins cant hardly feel it lol. but ya that 250 cant pull worth a crap to me maybe ours is a dud? its only got 110 k on it.


Hah! I would need to post alot of Dodge "propaganda" as you call it, to ever equal all the Dodge truck bashing that has went on here. The Ford & GM guys never let it rest; depending on whom your asking their tremendous difference's between spec sheets hp/torque vs real world towing, V8 vs inline 6 cylinder.

Who are you the "propaganda" POPO. Those that have owned more than one brand of trucks will tell you their are difference between the three towing the same weight!! Each truck brand tows differently, and when we have only ONE truck to purchase the debate will truly end. I would suggest if you don't like what your reading 1.) don't read it 2.) don't comment 3.) and you should expect a response.

[W.L.M.]

ya I thnk a bigger truck is in need how bout a 3500 dodge witha cummins?

HAHA lol if he was wanting to tow a mowing trailer maybe, I don't think he wants to downgrade.

[GWhunter]

Listen, the 5.9l has the 325hp and 660ftlbs. The duramax and powerstroke are right there with the dodge. The Dodge transmission is a weak link. They all have flaws. I've owned all three so you reply is just stupid. My opinion is the dmax was the best engine/tranny combo. The dodge was a pos except for the cummins. The ford was the best all around the fit and finish was good and the engine/tranny were up to task. If you think your special cause you can overload a pu and live to tell about it, that just means you clueless about truck and safety. I 'm not the one making stupid statement about real towing trucks being dodge. They all have there flaws and benefits. But don't spout the my brands better than your BS. It's completly counter productive. People should offer there opinions not act like experts with so called facts.

Matt:hammerhead:

[TandM]

all I was sayin was that the ford doesn't pull as well as the gm and the dodge but the dodge is a 3500 dually ok not in the same class. but the gmc 2500hd I have pulls better then the ford f250 Ive pulled the same trailer and load with both trucks. both are 2005's so ya everyone has there own opinion ya know I just happen to be lucky enough to have access to all big three in just about every different motor and trim level combo. dad owns 20 different p/u trucks which I think gives me a pretty accurate opinion compared to people who only have 1 truck brand and have never experrienced the others.

[TXNSLighting]

Listen, the 5.9l has the 325hp and 660ftlbs. The duramax and powerstroke are right there with the dodge. The Dodge transmission is a weak link. They all have flaws. I've owned all three so you reply is just stupid. My opinion is the dmax was the best engine/tranny combo. The dodge was a pos except for the cummins. The ford was the best all around the fit and finish was good and the engine/tranny were up to task. If you think your special cause you can overload a pu and live to tell about it, that just means you clueless about truck and safety. I 'm not the one making stupid statement about real towing trucks being dodge. They all have there flaws and benefits. But don't spout the my brands better than your BS. It's completly counter productive. People should offer there opinions not act like experts with so called facts.

Matt:hammerhead:

Youre close on your numbers. The 5.9 had 325 hp & 610 tq. But very good statement.

[GWhunter]

You guys get my point. The post from me were from the "dodge trucks are superior for towing" post. I understand they all make peak hp and torque at different rpms but hp is hp and torque is torque. They all make huge hp and torque compared to semi's.

Matt

[TXNSLighting]

I know and i was agreeing.