Onstar will soon be used against you

[nosparkplugs]

WOW, The government, with the help from ONSTAR, and at the request of law enforcement agencies across the country will soon be have the ability to take control of your "ONSTAR" equipped vehicle, if you don't have ONSTAR, a clone system will soon mandatory on all vehicles. This technology will mainly be used to end highspeed police chases involving vehicles.

The hardrive can store all engine parameters, tracks & stores GPS info on where that vehicle has been or going.

While "harmless" at face value the privacy issues continue to be debated

[Jason Rose]

I think it's use to disable vehicles in the event of a chase scenario is brilliant. Collecting data about your driving habits and recording when you have driven over xx mph. NO. For the latter reasons alone many people will disable, or have it disabled, in their vehicles and then loose the saftey features that went with it.

[Petr51488]

Yep, i read about this. THey'll use it if someone steals your car. Once they track it down, they can kill the engine to a lower mph and take action. They also now have insurance through onstar where if you drive below X miles a year, its saves you money on your insurance. I think its called a low mileage discount. I'm a little mixed on both of these. Its nice to have onstar (i have it) incase someone steals your truck. You'll know exactly where it is, or you'll have a much better idea of where the car is rather then guessing.

[ovalracer44]

Buy an old vehicle. Big brother is watching

[ryry278]

I think that it would take a lot for americans to let that actually happen. I for one would be totally against it. They have been saying we will have mandatory chips in us forever to. Like Heck will ya do that to me. Just another sign we are headed in the wrong direction

[TXNSLighting]

Any vehicle with onstar in 06 + can be controlled by onstar. Thats why my truck doesnt have it. They can shut that truck down if they want to.

[ryry278]

I meant government mandated control of vehicles.

[mike lane lawn care]

i like OnStar, i use the phone feature daily, as well as traffic reports and weather. what still creeps me out is when i push the blue button and I'm greeted with "Hello Mr. Lane, how's the weather in (where ever i am ville)? i like knowing that in the event of a collision that i've got that safety feature, as well if the the truck is stolen, but i don't like how they can track the truck's past movements.

[nosparkplugs]

Yep, i read about this. THey'll use it if someone steals your car. Once they track it down, they can kill the engine to a lower mph and take action. They also now have insurance through onstar where if you drive below X miles a year, its saves you money on your insurance. I think its called a low mileage discount. I'm a little mixed on both of these. Its nice to have onstar (i have it) incase someone steals your truck. You'll know exactly where it is, or you'll have a much better idea of where the car is rather then guessing.

This is going to be all or nothing with this issue, I'm all for the use when your vehicle is stolen; however all the other data's use is questionable the insurance companies will be able to get a more accurate policy, based on this data, on your number of miles driven vs your current policy. No more under estimating your miles driven per year to your insurance agent. Agents will have access to all your driving data: how often you speed, where you do business.

Think about the Auto bail out now, the government will now have the ability to speed this reqiurment up, since their "bailing them out"

[ryry278]

Well i would still like to think Americans would not let this happen and would stand up against it.

[ovalracer44]

This is going to be all or nothing with this issue, I'm all for the use when your vehicle is stolen; however all the other data's use is questionable the insurance companies will be able to get a more accurate policy, based on this data, on your number of miles driven vs your current policy. No more under estimating your miles driven per year to your insurance agent. Agents will have access to all your driving data: how often you speed, where you do business.

Think about the Auto bail out now, the government will now have the ability to speed this reqiurment up, since their "bailing them out"

I am contemplating moving to costa rica because of our government these days

[ryry278]

I dunno about there. I dunno how biblically accurate this is but sure feels like the end is ever closer with things like this

[stuvecorp]

Well i would still like to think Americans would not let this happen and would stand up against it.

Are you sure? I am totally against Onstar, too much room for abuse and we are sliding down that slope.

[ryry278]

I would like to think. But of course reality is probably false lol.

[cpel2004]

Mark of the BEAST. Thats no surprise, everything is sold to us to make our lives more convenient and secure, but as usual there are other sinister motives.

[AintNoFun]

i love my onstar use it a few times a week at least.. you guys are so worried about onstar, what about that gps tracker you wear on your hip everyday aka cell phone...

[nosparkplugs]

What scares me is that the goverment likes to add or "slip" these types of laws into larger bills passing through the house & senate. Heck it could already be in the Government Auto bail out. We need less Government control of private industry ; their are small, medium size business's closing daily. Yet their is no bail-out for them; I don't want to "sleep in a bed some else shat in". The government CAR "CZAR" will have control of the bail-out money, and can "take it back" whenever forcing the Auto industry into bankruptcy at any time. So now private industry is held hostage to big government, "do as I say" type agenda. These watch dog agencies are drooling over this including your beloved ONSTAR.

No matter how hard we try to "watch" for these types of agenda's. Many are passed with little resistance. Only "after the fact" do we respond.

[ryry278]

a cell phone cannot control your car and monitor your driving habits to inform your insurance company.

[ryry278]

Your exactly right no spark plugs. The "riders" you talk about are often attached to bills that will 100% get passed so they can push through what they want. Makes things pretty hard on the politicians who are honest too.

[AintNoFun]

a cell phone cannot control your car and monitor your driving habits to inform your insurance company.

i dont see anything about them sending the info to your insurance company.. who cares if they can control your car whats the worst that happens they shut it off, OMG.. dont buy a gm or if you do rip the reciever out of the onstar, problem solved..

[ryry278]

Right you have no even read the entire thread. Go back and reread it. And the discussion was about a mandated car system. Not just gm vehicles. And i see a big problem with someone being able to control my car. Talk about the safety problems that could happen. What if it got in the wrong hands. Read the whole thread before you remark on this

[nosparkplugs]

i dont see anything about them sending the info to your insurance company.. who cares if they can control your car whats the worst that happens they shut it off, OMG.. dont buy a gm or if you do rip the reciever out of the onstar, problem solved..



Lets hope this is true about the insurance companies; however Onstar was never intended to be able to shut your vehicle down either; yet that is a fact now on all new 07 Onstar equipped vehicles. As it stands the line is long on whom whats access to the data, with Law enforcement wanting ultimate control of the "Shut down" ability. That I'm all for, not all the extra secondary data that is stored & transmitted to Onstar or whom ever else is used.

As far as "ripping" out the receiver might work, but I'm sure it's connected to your ECM, and would shut down your vehicle, or the system would think you were trying to steal your own vehicle sending the PO-PO after you:laugh:

[Gravel Rat]

Like somebody already said its big brother watching you. Most of the larger trucking companies have satelite tracked trucks.

[AintNoFun]

:dizzy: omg i think the world might end



Right you have no even read the entire thread. Go back and reread it. And the discussion was about a mandated car system. Not just gm vehicles. And i see a big problem with someone being able to control my car. Talk about the safety problems that could happen. What if it got in the wrong hands. Read the whole thread before you remark on this

[ryry278]

Your a jerk. No one said that. No wonder people keep talking about leaving this sight. I do not loose any sleep to this or anything else, but it can be a concern. If you do not want to talk about it then do not freaking read it.

[ovalracer44]

Your a jerk. No one said that. No wonder people keep talking about leaving this sight. I do not loose any sleep to this or anything else, but it can be a concern. If you do not want to talk about it then do not freaking read it.

Well said.

People just keep giving the government more and more authority to obtain personal information.

[Gravel Rat]

You really don't want the gov't or who ever to know what you are doing at every last second.

[AintNoFun]

Your a jerk. No one said that. No wonder people keep talking about leaving this sight. I do not loose any sleep to this or anything else, but it can be a concern. If you do not want to talk about it then do not freaking read it.



wow name calling.. not bad, loser..

all im saying is YOUR NOT GONNA STOP IT.. theres no point in discussing it when does the govt listen to people, um never.. so keep up with your conspiracy theories..

[ovalracer44]

wow name calling.. not bad, loser..

all im saying is YOUR NOT GONNA STOP IT.. theres no point in discussing it when does the govt listen to people, um never.. so keep up with your conspiracy theories..

Oh there is a way to stop it, I just am beginning to thing the american people are too pansyfied to do it.

[ryry278]

I have not even heard about this until today. So i have no idea if it is true or not, but i was commenting on if it was and that i disprove. But your so right we should just all shut up because we cant do anything to stop it. I am sure our forefathers would have loved that answer. Its funny that a 20 year old has more eagerness to stand up for what he believes in. Maybe you just could not handle the fight. In fact i would imagine your the type that walks by a homeless person and is like oh sucks for you nothing i can do to help though. I am the loser that is wanting to make a difference. The kid who is getting and education becuase when he sees wrong he does everything he can to fix it. Man you no nothing of what your talking about.

[ryry278]

there are alot of Americans turning into a bunch of pansy apathetic robots. Just wish the others would grow some guts and speak out

[AintNoFun]

there are alot of Americans turning into a bunch of pansy apathetic robots. Just wish the others would grow some guts and speak out

so then tell me. what ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT... how are you gonna speak out... its not about being a pansy tardino, you think i should get all aggravated about somethign i can not change, this country it going to hell in a handbasket.. i got it i'll write my congressman, senator and president.. will i get a response back no.. maybe i should stand in front of the white house with a sign by myself.. so please enlighten me as to what you are doing or going to do?

[AintNoFun]

Oh there is a way to stop it, I just am beginning to thing the american people are too pansyfied to do it.

another one, please tell me what you are going to do to stop...

[ovalracer44]

Its called the revolutionary war, part dos.

[ryry278]

All i am saying is we are entitiled to discuss it. Discussin it is the only way to discover what we should do. I rather do something and get no response and do nothing. Do not worry i hope one day you need some help or have a cause you want people to support yet no one will come to your rescue or side. Let me tell you about a short version of a very long story about my girlfriend. Her sister and niece went missing 5 years ago in a small town. The people that they were last seen are good buddies with the sheriff and DA and are also known for selling drugs. The girls are now presumed dead with no suspects or reason why. They never searched the proptery were last seen or questioned the family. It is an entire mess. That family has almost 0 hope of finding any help or solutions the TBI want even pick it up or look at it. Instead of giving up and saying oh well to a screwed up goverment they are raising money to take it to civil court. THen to change the laws. You know how many people actually care. NOT many at all becuase people assume they can do nothing. These are 2 girls, daughters, moms, sisters missing. And you have the gall to do nothing and tell people they can do nothing

[ovalracer44]

Fact about a lot of new cars.

Bluetooth technology.

I can walk by a car in a parking lot, and pull data from its computer. Average speed, number of times of loss of traction, braking habits. New cars have sensors that judge distance between yourself and cars in front of you while moving. All of that information without ever hooking a cable up.


http://www.denlorstools.com/home/dt1/page_16171_657/otc_3825_pegisys_automotive_diagnostic_scan_tool_o.html

[ryry278]

by the way i guess no one should support cancer research fact is it want do any good. And i guess the NRA should just pack up and give up since they do not do any good influencing govt.

[AintNoFun]

this has really gone outta control... and wow your a bitter person, didnt say you couldn't discuss it, did i say lock this thread and stop talking about it no.. im saying no one is or can do anything about it, and you keep jumping down my throat on tyriads about people not helping me, homless people.. i happen to donate as much i can to different charities and help people out.. ive done a lot of pro bono work for them as well.. so get off your high horse about me not helping people seriously... you got your opinion i got mine grow up.. you didn't answer the question though, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT..



All i am saying is we are entitiled to discuss it. Discussin it is the only way to discover what we should do. I rather do something and get no response and do nothing. Do not worry i hope one day you need some help or have a cause you want people to support yet no one will come to your rescue or side. Let me tell you about a short version of a very long story about my girlfriend. Her sister and niece went missing 5 years ago in a small town. The people that they were last seen are good buddies with the sheriff and DA and are also known for selling drugs. The girls are now presumed dead with no suspects or reason why. They never searched the proptery were last seen or questioned the family. It is an entire mess. That family has almost 0 hope of finding any help or solutions the TBI want even pick it up or look at it. Instead of giving up and saying oh well to a screwed up goverment they are raising money to take it to civil court. THen to change the laws. You know how many people actually care. NOT many at all becuase people assume they can do nothing. These are 2 girls, daughters, moms, sisters missing. And you have the gall to do nothing and tell people they can do nothing

[ryry278]

right your the one who started mocking everybody. And i plan on staying informed and if it is true and they are planning to implement it i will support groups and lobbyists against it. i will vote for people who favor my view. giving money good job invest a little time and energy thats great, but I am not bitter by anymeans i am realistic and an oppurtunist. You seem to be the one bashing people who care. I am so sick and tired of people saying they cant do anything or hey this and that is wrong, but do not offer solutions or how to support their idea

[nosparkplugs]

Wow, lets not be "trying to get each others Goats here" :laugh::dizzy: I enjoy reading everyone's posts. My life attitude has been "he who thinks he knows all, will die knowing the least" as a child that got me in lots of trouble, but serve's me well as I have aged. I hope I am still learning when I reach old age. Can't we all learn something from each other. It's weither we choose to respect the other person's viewpoint. No comment is better than a negative one. Our tongues or now keyboards sting the same.

[americanlawn]

I knew I should not have bought that HEMI. :laugh: Uncle Sam also probably keeps track of my frequent stops to the beer store too. Not good. :hammerhead:

Radio talk shows are now wondering if Ron Paul should have been our next President. I agree. Now Obama says he didn't know any crooks. :confused:
We'll see, but things are not like the old days. Cuz now I'm being taxed to death, and Uncle Sam keeps getting bigger & bigger.

[GravelyGuy]

No Onstar, but I know my 07 Toyota has a black box or something very similar that records all data if you are in an accident that involves air bags, rollover, etc.

The manual says that Toyota does have the right to use this information against you in the event of of a lawsuit against them. It also says that they have the right to release it to authorities if they request it.

[nosparkplugs]

No Onstar, but I know my 07 Toyota has a black box or something very similar that records all data if you are in an accident that involves air bags, rollover, etc.

The manual says that Toyota does have the right to use this information against you in the event of of a lawsuit against them. It also says that they have the right to release it to authorities if they request it.

So if your "power braking a truck, or drop shifting it" trying to get an new transmission, Then take it to the dealer, the tech's scan the " black box" your BUSTED :laugh:

[GravelyGuy]

So if your "power braking a truck, or drop shifting it" trying to get an new transmission, Then take it to the dealer, the tech's scan the " black box" your BUSTED :laugh:

From what I've heard, the average dearship tech doesn't have access to the box, but I'm sure if they suspected something like that they could go higher up and bust you.

Not like I would ever do anything like that anyways lol.

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

i wanted to check this thread out b/c im not all too happy about what they want to implement with onstar, but after reading through all the posts, something bothers me more than that.

you know, its really sad with whats become of this site. there are too few like nosparkplugs (u know the dodge guy!), txnslighting, etwman and the others, where i can look to actually learn from, with you know, those things called facts. though its human nature to be opinionated and biased, these members try to be as professional and objective as possible. then you have the young guns, they come on here try to contribute as best they can, they ask alot of questions and get flamed for it too. in fact, ive learned alot from them as well, they often times bring a new viewpoint to the discussion. and then you have the salty guys on here, sure they have a ton of posts, but alot of them usually have the same salty attitudes, i just read a bunch of them earlier today as well.

it actually takes more effort to hit "post reply" and type out some negative, angry, or insultful remark than it takes to just scroll right through. ive felt tempted many times to respond, but thought better of it, ya my posts might not be in the thousands, but i dont try to act like i know everything. so seriously guys, is it so hard to just sit down and shut up? read and enjoy this site like it was supposed to be!

[TXNSLighting]

I didnt even bother reading this thread when i saw it getting out of hand. I have gotten so tired of all the arguing on here. It used to be fun to have a nice debate but theres someone who always takes it personal. Ruins it for everyone!

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

yep, everytime i see something like that its automatic: "Here we go again..." really unfortunate.

[TXNSLighting]

Yeh but o well. Thats what we get for being on these sites.

[ovalracer44]

From what I've heard, the average dearship tech doesn't have access to the box, but I'm sure if they suspected something like that they could go higher up and bust you.

Not like I would ever do anything like that anyways lol.

The onboard computer also stores a lot of this information. I know of a lot of people who have had warranty claims disallowed because of improper use of a vehicle.

[ryry278]

Well i would like to apologize if i came off as a jerk. I did not mean to partake in making the post off topic or heated or contribute to the bad things on Lawn Site. I am geniually interested in this post and would like to learn more. I do feel it is wrong, but i would still like to stay informed and as i learn i will be able to make more quality factual posts. I have always felt if you state an opinion argue with fact not emotion so again apologize if i moved that way. Its hard for a young guy like myself, who is told constantly they will not succeeded or that they can not do anything, to make a difference. That is all i want to do is make a difference.

[GravelyNut]

Wanted it on my 2001 dually but would have had to take leather seats that year to get it. No dice. Our 2002 Bonny had Onstar. Key word is "had". It was totaled less than six months after it was bought. Onstar called the police automatically and then checked with us on the need for medical help. The value of it was proven that day. Being able to shutdown a stolen vehicle or one involved in a chase is a small price to pay in a life and death situation. As for the blackboxes, they record all the time but only keep the last 30 seconds or so of data from before an accident. The car's/truck/s computer is the one you have to worry about being the tattletale for warranty problems.

And some car rental companies can already track how you drive their cars and where you take them.