Liquid Dimension vs. Granular Fert+Dimension

[Please_Be_Green]

2009 will be my second year of attempting to keep a nice looking lawn... Even if I say so myself... I think I maintained the property pretty well... Previous owners of the house had a company @ $113.00 per app, which I just couldn't justify after paying for my first two applications of the 2008 season.


Rather than be late or just-in-time research with my questions... trying to plan ahead and have a "2009 Plan" in place...

Will plan on getting soil samples done in early 2009 to determine fert needs for my front, back and side lots totaling 15k of turf... approx 3 x 5000sq/ft.

Question today is surrounding pre-m. From my research seems as though I should be applying Dimension some time in April as the forsythia bloom here in NJ... I did heavy (N) fall feeding with the hope to go light (N) in spring. Lawn is full and a nice dark green at this point of the fall/winter.

I'm thinking about picking up either a battery or gas powered 4-6gal backpack sprayer to assist with liquid apps this season of herbicides or fungicides when/if needed... (Price is no object as I look at these type of investments as long term savings over paying $113.00 per app)

With that said, how much of a difference is there between Liquid Dimension apps vs. granular fert+Dimension applications... I had very little crab grass in 2008, but my pre-m was a liquid app done by a local independent professional.

I have a relationship with my local Lesco, who have helped me through my first season with fert products and equipment.

Thanks in advance...

[greendoctor]

To answer your question, there is a world of difference between a liquid herbicide application and a granular one. Coverage and cost are the two issues that come to mind. Is your lawn on an irrigation system? Reason why I ask is watering in a preemergent application within 24 hours is how to get textbook results. I am an LCO in Hawaii, I use no granular anything. Not even fertilizers. For small lawns under 10,000 sq ft I spray all of my applications out of an engine drive backpack sprayer at 1 gallon of solution per 1000 sq ft. For the bigger lawns I run a 100 gallon skid mount powering either a pressure regulated wand or a 10 ft boom. If you are willing to spray your applications, there are lots of products available to you. Also, those products will not be tied to a fertilizer that you might not need or want. I know many on the forums spread Crosscheck or Merit on 0-0-9 for insect control. That 0-0-9 is potassium chloride, which can make the soil salty. Check out the pictures. http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=243068Take note of the multiple nozzle boom and the no drip wand. Both of those are set up with fan nozzles calibrated to put down a gallon per 1000 at a moderate walking pace. Getting it done fast does not mean anything if the results are poor. I suppose poor results and a high invoice are why you no longer have someone else do your lawn applications. I probably cost more than average, but the results show.

[Please_Be_Green]

I suppose poor results and a high invoice are why you no longer have someone else do your lawn applications. I probably cost more than average, but the results show.


Thanks for the response...

It was purely cost driven as $113.00 an app for just shy of 15,000 seems crazy after I started doing research on cost... If I didn't mind spending money on something I can do myself, I would hire the same company back in a heartbeat.

re: COST- I can pick up a 64oz bottle of Dimension, which seems to be just shy of 8 full applications for my yard at 3.3tsp/1000, for $176.00. Granted, I need to drop some coin on a good quality backpack, but then I have a new toy and if I need to spray a Fungicide (which was $156 an app) I have the tool to spread additional if needed.

My lawn does have an irrigation system. What's the best rule of thumb on a liquid app? Let is sit and soak for 24 hours then give it a light watering?

[Marcos]

re: COST- I can pick up a 64oz bottle of Dimension, which seems to be just shy of 8 full applications for my yard at 3.3tsp/1000, for $176.00. Granted, I need to drop some coin on a good quality backpack, but then I have a new toy and if I need to spray a Fungicide (which was $156 an app) I have the tool to spread additional if needed.



I say go for it, PBG!
You look as though you're doing the math pretty well already, but here's some more tips:

The barameter you want to look for when you compare costs is either "cost per acre" (43,560 sq ft).... or "cost per 1000 sq ft".
For a 15,000 sq ft lawn, which is 1/3 acre, I recommend using "cost per 1000".

Look at p.5 of this table:
http://www.uap.ca/products/documents/Dimension03_000.pdf
The median range for Dimension EC for New Jersey (program 2) is 1-1/2 oz (3 tablespoons) per 1000 sq ft.
This means that your 64 oz bottle should cover 64/ 1.5= 42.666 sq ft, at program 2.

Now, $176.00 divided by 64 = $2.75 per ounce, right?

If you choose to use to use 1.5 oz (3 tablespoons per 1000, your cost/1000 will be 1.5 x 2.75 = $4.13 per 1000.

No disrespect intended, but $4.13/1000 is still definately (ahem...:rolleyes:) "upper retail" pricing.
I would shop around for some better deals if I were you!

(You can figure, and cost-compare "cost/1000" on fertilizer the same way, of course :waving:)

Now...
You're next question is going to be:
"Exactly how far does ONE GALLON go in a backpack sprayer, when you're covering a lawn?" :laugh:
The answer depends upon the APPLICATOR, and how fast he/she walks and how much they overlap.
A good thing to do for a newbie like you is to buy a little bottle of turf tracker dye immediately after you get your new backpack sprayer, and do a trial run or two over maybe 1/3 of your yard, with just the blue dye.
Think of it as "training wheels" for Dimension.

EX:If you put in 4 gallons, and you end up covering 5000 sq ft with it in your spray trail, then your personal spray rate is .8 gallons per 1000 sq ft.
You would then add 1.5 oz of Dimension in the sprayer of every 0.8 gallons when you're ready to do the real application.

A lot of chemical labels try to claim that 1 gallon will cover 1000 sq ft as a rule, but that's a bunch of mallarkey!. :nono:
It all depends upon the applicator, and how many Wheaties they ate that morning.

You can water in Dimension right away after application.
It's stuff like broadleaf weed controls (2, 4-d, etc) liquid OR dry "weed 'n feeds" that need to have some TIME to translocate to the root system...before rain or irrigation.

Good luck! :waving:

[Marcos]

Oops! Scrap that last Dimension label! That was for Canadian turf! :canadaflag:
Try this one:
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld5TH000.pdf

[Please_Be_Green]

Oops! Scrap that last Dimension label! That was for Canadian turf! :canadaflag:
Try this one:
http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld5TH000.pdf

I noticed that too and was in the process of breaking out my spec sheets...

Now, when I look at either of those I have to say, that my original math was based on Dimension 2EW. Should I be looking at the EC or Ultra 40 instead? That does increase cost/1000.

Looking at the Spec Lable for 2EW, application rates would be based on the transition zone, program 1 of 3.3 tsp / 1000sq/ft. (That's what I was thinking at least)

3.3tsp =.56oz or 8.4oz for 15k.
64oz/8.4oz=7.61 applications
$176 / 7.61 apps = $23.12 per yard app

23.12 sounds a hell of a lot better than $113.00 based on retail. Granted if I wanted to go out and buy two - 2.5 gal containers, I could probably lower that cost a little more, but I'm not sure the shelf life would be that long for me;-)

So I guess, should I not be looking at the Dimension 2EW? If not, the Ultra 40 or EC?

[DUSTYCEDAR]

Are you north or south sand or clay?

[Please_Be_Green]

Are you north or south sand or clay?

North and clay

Why the big cost/1000 difference between EC and 2EW?

[DUSTYCEDAR]

THAT IS BETTER
did you last guy do split apps or just one?
split apps r better but if you plan to seed in fall dont over do the second app

[Please_Be_Green]

THAT IS BETTER
did you last guy do split apps or just one?
split apps r better but if you plan to seed in fall don't over do the second app

I believe he did single app, but I only had him for the first two of the season, which I believe was a PRE-M and 1st Feed... He'd been with the house for about 2 or 3 seasons and the lawn was/is the talk of the neighborhood.

I did the fall aeration and over seeding myself, and I know I didn't put down any pre-m after the first professional app...

I was thinking that this season I would put down a split app and go light on the second app for another fall aeration and overseed. I had very little crabgrass, a patch or two at the most.

I guess I'll see how I really did in the spring/summer of 2009.

[Marcos]

I noticed that too and was in the process of breaking out my spec sheets...

Now, when I look at either of those I have to say, that my original math was based on Dimension 2EW. Should I be looking at the EC or Ultra 40 instead? That does increase cost/1000.

Looking at the Spec Lable for 2EW, application rates would be based on the transition zone, program 1 of 3.3 tsp / 1000sq/ft. (That's what I was thinking at least)

3.3tsp =.56oz or 8.4oz for 15k.
64oz/8.4oz=7.61 applications
$176 / 7.61 apps = $23.12 per yard app

23.12 sounds a hell of a lot better than $113.00 based on retail. Granted if I wanted to go out and buy two - 2.5 gal containers, I could probably lower that cost a little more, but I'm not sure the shelf life would be that long for me;-)

So I guess, should I not be looking at the Dimension 2EW? If not, the Ultra 40 or EC?

Dimension 2EW's new to me.
http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld7ND000.pdf

From what I can tell, it looks as though it's a water-based formulation, as opposed to Dimension EC, which is a more volatile oil-based product that professional use, usually in cooler temperatures.

( I myself use Dimension WSP, which stands for "water soluble packets", that's why I'm sort of out of the loop here.)

Regardless, If you're set on using 2EW, I'd recommend using program 2 on the rate chart, even though program 1 is listed for "homeowners".
That's your built-in margin of error, so-to-speak.

I'm going to do the math with this in "acres", because it's easier for "me".
Rate: 1.5 pints / acre.......(16 ounces in a pint)
Cost $176.00 per 1/2 gallon bottle

Cost per ounce of Dim 2EW= $2.75
1.5 X 16 = 24
24 X 2.75 = $66.00/acre
$66.00 divided by 43.56 (# of sq. ft. in an acre) = $1.52 per thousand sq ft.

Not a bad deal at all, PBG! :waving:

I'll be willing to bet the water-based formulation doesn't get the same post-emergent control on annuals that the EC or the WSP does, though.
Anybody else have a say in this?

[Please_Be_Green]

I'll be willing to bet the water-based formulation doesn't get the same post-emergent control on annuals that the EC or the WSP does, though.
Anybody else have a say in this?

That's what the Acclaim Extra is for, no?

[Marcos]

That's what the Acclaim Extra is for, no?

Yes.

Stuff like Acclaim, Drive DF and MSMA are labeled as postemergents for annuals, and some perennials. Some of them have annual broadleaf weeds on the label, too.

The grade of Dimension that professionals generally use is labeled as a pre-emergent, with guaranteed post emergent activity up to a certain tillering stage of a given weed on the label,*if the growing conditions are adequate for sufficient & effect post-emergent control.

*(Sometimes a big "if" homeowners automatically assume exist all the time, but in fact, really don't.)

I have a strong inkling that the 2EW stuff you've been quoted at your local Lesco, is the relatively "el-cheapo" stuff on their shelf...the stuff they sell to compete with their low-ball competitors (of which there are many, believe me!)

Like I said before, I think you were quote water-based vs. the EC, which is the more favorable product, having post-emergent qualities, too.
They no doubt pointed it out to YOU, Mr. Homeowner, because they assumed you would be somewhat shocked by the price of the Dimension EC.
And frankly, your pricing already is QUITE A BIT HIGHER than what Mr. Professional Lawn Care Company is going to pay at Lesco /Deere (and, rightfully so!)

Lesco salesmen are usually pretty good people, and (generally) knowledgeable. But Lesco, first and foremost, was built upon wholesale business.
They get paid WELL for the extra time they spend playing "20 questions" with homeowners, and homeowners usually have to wait behind the pros in the line of priority of service at the check out desk, too.

[greendoctor]

Yes.

Stuff like Acclaim, Drive DF and MSMA are labeled as postemergents for annuals, and some perennials. Some of them have annual broadleaf weeds on the label, too.

The grade of Dimension that professionals generally use is labeled as a pre-emergent, with guaranteed post emergent activity up to a certain tillering stage of a given weed on the label,*if the growing conditions are adequate for sufficient & effect post-emergent control.

*(Sometimes a big "if" homeowners automatically assume exist all the time, but in fact, really don't.)

I have a strong inkling that the 2EW stuff you've been quoted at your local Lesco, is the relatively "el-cheapo" stuff on their shelf...the stuff they sell to compete with their low-ball competitors (of which there are many, believe me!)

Like I said before, I think you were quote water-based vs. the EC, which is the more favorable product, having post-emergent qualities, too.
They no doubt pointed it out to YOU, Mr. Homeowner, because they assumed you would be somewhat shocked by the price of the Dimension EC.
And frankly, your pricing already is QUITE A BIT HIGHER than what Mr. Professional Lawn Care Company is going to pay at Lesco /Deere (and, rightfully so!)

Lesco salesmen are usually pretty good people, and (generally) knowledgeable. But Lesco, first and foremost, was built upon wholesale business.
They get paid WELL for the extra time they spend playing "20 questions" with homeowners, and homeowners usually have to wait behind the pros in the line of priority of service at the check out desk, too.


It is not only the cost per 1000 of the Dimension EC that is an issue, it is also the size. Even one 2.5 gallon jug is virtually a lifetime supply for a small user. Every chance I get, the chemical manufacturer's reps get hell from me for that. In many cases, a gallon of a specialty product is a year's supply for me. I do not want to have a 21/2 to 4 year supply.

About the Acclaim and Drive. I would keep one of those around for any grassy weed breakthroughs. As complete and correctly timed a preemergent application can be, nothing is perfect.

If you looked at the pictures I posted, that set up is used for herbicides, insecticides, fungicides and liquid fertilizers. Yes, you will be spending some money for a spray machine. However, that plus a well selected product inventory will enable you to do what the application companies do. Believe me, I would not even be answering your questions or sharing what I know if you were going to approach this whole thing in the fashion of an ignorant amateur. That power sprayer will hold 7 gallons. That is enough to apply to over 5000 sq ft of lawn. You can also do your own tree and shrub treatments as well. Marcos is giving you good advice on calibrating the sprayer once it is set up. All of the chemicals I know of for use on lawns do not have instructions on how much to put in a gallon of water. As you have figured out, instructions are given for product quantity per acre or 1000 sq ft.

[Please_Be_Green]

[/SIZE]I have a strong inkling that the 2EW stuff you've been quoted at your local Lesco, is the relatively "el-cheapo" stuff on their shelf...the stuff they sell to compete with their low-ball competitors (of which there are many, believe me!)

Like I said before, I think you were quote water-based vs. the EC, which is the more favorable product, having post-emergent qualities, too.
They no doubt pointed it out to YOU, Mr. Homeowner, because they assumed you would be somewhat shocked by the price of the Dimension EC.
And frankly, your pricing already is QUITE A BIT HIGHER than what Mr. Professional Lawn Care Company is going to pay at Lesco /Deere (and, rightfully so!)

Lesco salesmen are usually pretty good people, and (generally) knowledgeable. But Lesco, first and foremost, was built upon wholesale business.
They get paid WELL for the extra time they spend playing "20 questions" with homeowners, and homeowners usually have to wait behind the pros in the line of priority of service at the check out desk, too.


So you're saying that Dow AgroSciences product Dimension 2EW is "el-cheapo" version of Dimension? I thought that Dimension is a trademarked name for DowAgro Science herbicide product.

I also keep finding articles which suggest a water based herbicide product is actually an upgrade of the product compared to the older EC (Emulsified Concentrate) version of the product for ease of application, improvement to environment and equipment issues associated with oil based apps.

Dow's site suggest that I could mix Gallery with the 2EW product for a more complete PRE-M of broadleaf weeds. So maybe that's the difference.

In the achvies of Lawnsite, I have found a post which said as of 2007 that the Dow AgroSciences Dimension EC isn't available anylonger and has been replaced by the 2EW product. What was that about?

It maybe priced at retail for me Mr. Homeowner compared to you Mr. Professional for buying bulk, but I'm still saving $$ in the long run, doing it myself and feel as though I'm purchasing superior product than most DIY's.


In terms of the Lesco I'm frequenting, I've been in there about 5 times. I always go in the late afternoon, about an hour before they close and haven't seen another soul in the place... The guy behind the counter seems to appreciate me coming around as he's always just sitting behind the counter anyway, playing solitaire on the computer... I normally hang with him for about an hour talking turfcare, ferts, equipment. Maybe he's willling to talk to me because I'm ussually in there wearing a suit and tie and he see's $$ in me. Even if that's the case I think he's offering a hell of a lot of knowledge to me, which I appreciate, and in return will give him my business.

I'm really looking forward to doing soil samples this year with Rutgers Coop-Ext, and purchasing the right fert's for my property based on those soil samples rather then just showing up and saying I need a Spring App, a summer app, etc. etc... My 80# Lesco spreader is just waiting for a fill and spread... That was my best investment this year... Used to take me about an hour to fert with my Scott drop, I can bang out the lawn in 20 minutes now.

Looking at the quick 36 Dually, but just haven't been able to pull the trigger, even with that 25% deal going on now.

I guess, I'm just trying to point out that I don't think I the average Mr. Homeowner. When I do things' I like to try to do them right.

Really appreciate everyone's responses here.

[Marcos]

So you're saying that Dow AgroSciences product Dimension 2EW is "el-cheapo" version of Dimension? I thought that Dimension is a trademarked name for DowAgro Science herbicide product.

I also keep finding articles which suggest a water based herbicide product is actually an upgrade of the product compared to the older EC (Emulsified Concentrate) version of the product for ease of application, improvement to environment and equipment issues associated with oil based apps.

Dow's site suggest that I could mix Gallery with the 2EW product for a more complete PRE-M of broadleaf weeds. So maybe that's the difference.

In the achvies of Lawnsite, I have found a post which said as of 2007 that the Dow AgroSciences Dimension EC isn't available anylonger and has been replaced by the 2EW product. What was that about?

It maybe priced at retail for me Mr. Homeowner compared to you Mr. Professional for buying bulk, but I'm still saving $$ in the long run, doing it myself and feel as though I'm purchasing superior product than most DIY's.


In terms of the Lesco I'm frequenting, I've been in there about 5 times. I always go in the late afternoon, about an hour before they close and haven't seen another soul in the place... The guy behind the counter seems to appreciate me coming around as he's always just sitting behind the counter anyway, playing solitaire on the computer... I normally hang with him for about an hour talking turfcare, ferts, equipment. Maybe he's willling to talk to me because I'm ussually in there wearing a suit and tie and he see's $$ in me. Even if that's the case I think he's offering a hell of a lot of knowledge to me, which I appreciate, and in return will give him my business.

I'm really looking forward to doing soil samples this year with Rutgers Coop-Ext, and purchasing the right fert's for my property based on those soil samples rather then just showing up and saying I need a Spring App, a summer app, etc. etc... My 80# Lesco spreader is just waiting for a fill and spread... That was my best investment this year... Used to take me about an hour to fert with my Scott drop, I can bang out the lawn in 20 minutes now.

Looking at the quick 36 Dually, but just haven't been able to pull the trigger, even with that 25% deal going on now.

I guess, I'm just trying to point out that I don't think I the average Mr. Homeowner. When I do things' I like to try to do them right.

Really appreciate everyone's responses here.

Based upon what you say here, It's obvious you're in like Flint at your Deere/Lesco.

I really have no idea about the Dimension EC vs. 2EW question, because, like I said before, I use a water soluble formulation of Dimension, and typically only along sidewalk & driveway edges, where the turf heats up, dries out, and goes into stress more quickly.

I don't "blanket spray" pre-emergent over my customers' lawns, as a rule. The first line of defense against weeds HAS TO BE a thick, dense stand of grass...so we instead focus on a solid organic program, composting, seeding/renovation to thicken up 'thin' areas, as our key means of "pre-emergent".
Chemicals are a last resort, and for occasional 'spot' post-emergence control only.

[ed2hess]

Dimension 2EW's new to me.
http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld7ND000.pdf

( I myself use Dimension WSP, which stands for "water soluble packets", that's why I'm sort of out of the loop here.)
?

What are the sizes of those packages? Guess you couldn't use those in back packs? And cost per packages?

[greendoctor]

Dimension WSP is applied at 1 packet per 29,000 sq ft to 15,000 sq ft. It is not that expensive either. There are 10 5oz packets in a bag and that is around $150. This is clearly intended for applicators who apply to acreage at one time.

[Please_Be_Green]

I don't "blanket spray" pre-emergent over my customers' lawns, as a rule. The first line of defense against weeds HAS TO BE a thick, dense stand of grass...so we instead focus on a solid organic program, composting, seeding/renovation to thicken up 'thin' areas, as our key means of "pre-emergent".
Chemicals are a last resort, and for occasional 'spot' post-emergence control only.

Marcos,

The statement that you don't blanket spray pre-emerg surprises me and now forces me to ask even more questions of course...

Do you not blanket spray a thick, dense lawn because your conscience of the environmental issues of using such a a product. Or does the profession in general not spray pre-emergent as one of the 1st apps of the season, if the lawn is thick and dense? (I can't believe that since I would believe it's a money maker.)

I spent incredible amounts of time this past growing season keeping my lawn thick, dense, full, lush , weed free... you name tha adjective and I worked it. In the late summer early fall, I focused on the thin areas reseeding, then did a full aeration w/ over-seed to the entire lawn. When the cool weather showed up and the growth slowed down, I did one final cut/leaf pick up (bagging) and the lawn look amazing. Like a carpet for two weeks as there wasn't much top growth going on at all.

So with said, you wouldn't apply a pre-emergent on my lawn, since the turf is so thick and dense? What do others say?

[greendoctor]

It is strange that I know so much about preemergent herbicides, because I do not routinely use them on lawns. I am in an area with a 12 month growing season. I will use a combination of pre and post herbicides to clean up a lawn. This happens while the lawn is placed on an intensive program of fertilization and soil correction. In the end, the grass is so thick, weeds do not come out. I use a combination of conventional fertilizers and organic based biostimulants. The biostimulants are liquids.

[Marcos]

Marcos,

The statement that you don't blanket spray pre-emerg surprises me and now forces me to ask even more questions of course...

Do you not blanket spray a thick, dense lawn because your conscience of the environmental issues of using such a a product. Or does the profession in general not spray pre-emergent as one of the 1st apps of the season, if the lawn is thick and dense? (I can't believe that since I would believe it's a money maker.)

I spent incredible amounts of time this past growing season keeping my lawn thick, dense, full, lush , weed free... you name tha adjective and I worked it. In the late summer early fall, I focused on the thin areas reseeding, then did a full aeration w/ over-seed to the entire lawn. When the cool weather showed up and the growth slowed down, I did one final cut/leaf pick up (bagging) and the lawn look amazing. Like a carpet for two weeks as there wasn't much top growth going on at all.

So with said, you wouldn't apply a pre-emergent on my lawn, since the turf is so thick and dense? What do others say?

Please Be Green, you're in New Jersey, I'm in Ohio, and greendoctor's in Hawaii. Climate ALONE has tons to do with the general aggressiveness of annuals like crabgrass, foxtail, spurge & purslane, and how well it's controlled.
That's why different pesticide labels typically has different "programs" you can select from, to "customize" the A.I. (active ingredient) toward what's going on around "you".

To answer your question.... YES! I do have an ingrained environmental conscience that spills over into my business, to some degree. My business has evolved from a chemical fertilizer business about 15 years ago, to that of a "bridge" between organics and traditional lawn care chemicals & fertilizers.

I don't turn down new business that comes my way that is "traditional", but I quietly over time try to sell add-on services like composting and vertical mulching (in landscaping) wherever possible.
Let's say that I'm one of the "non-confrontational friendly messangers" of the oncoming green movement, but I don't like to wear the political part of it on my sleeve, as I deeply feel that man's actual contribution to "global climate change", if anything, is negligible to nil.


You say you've done bucco things to keep your lawn "thick, dense, full, and lush". All I can say is keep it up! :waving:
Keep thickening up that lawn, PBG, you'll get to that point soon! :waving:
And don't abuse those sidewalk edges AFTER you've applied Dimension!
Do your "major" edging BEFORE your pre-emergent, then try to leave that edge alone as much as possible, just trimming w/ the grass blades back w/ a weed wacker or whatever. (Leave that SOIL alone! :nono:)

Most of our accounts were not thick and lush when we obtained them! We got most of these accounts after years and years constant abuse by nat'l lawn care companies, or worse, by homeowners who have the mentality of "a little bit more _______ than what it calls for on the chemical label must be better!" :dizzy:

What we do that different than most of our competitors...is that we work WITH our customers, to REBUILD their lawns, etc.

No...we don't believe in selling applications of 'stuff', simply for the sake of the "stuff" that's in them (like the pre-emergent that you mentioned).
If it's not needed, it's not needed, PERIOD!
We've got plenty of evidence locally to prove that proper mowing + proper edging of sidewalks and driveways + turf that's irrigated reasonably well, will simply NOT develop annual weed problems!

But if the customer still wants it....fine...we'll apply it, but they'll get charged accordingly. :waving:

In many real-life situations, though, neighbors talk to each other!
And if one "thick lawn" neighbor has success without blanket pre-emergent, chances are the NEXT neighbor will be more likely to go without it the next season, and so on...

And in the larger picture...
As time marches on into this greener 21st century, I believe that people the world-over are going to be less and less receptive to the general idea of 'non-IPM' blanket-sprays.......... of anything.

[mngrassguy]

According to my supplier, liquid based Dimension is much more effective than WSP. He says it gets better coverage because of the smaller molecules. IDK

[Marcos]

According to my supplier, liquid based Dimension is much more effective than WSP. He says it gets better coverage because of the smaller molecules. IDK

Hmmm..:confused:..That sounds like some sort of contrived marketing ploy to me!
I'll bet ya he only handles liquid Dimension products, am I right? :)

[mngrassguy]

Hmmm..:confused:..That sounds like some sort of contrived marketing ploy to me!
I'll bet ya he only handles liquid Dimension products, am I right? :)

Nope. He sells it all. Says thats what suppliers and applicators are telling him. Liquid is a lot more expensive.