stihl br600 blower

[speedshop5]

can someone verify what the valve settings for the br600 is... had dealer adjust them now it is hard to start, always was able to choke once and the next pull it would run..also what should the top rpm be. thanks for the help..

[topsites]

I couldn't tell you that but I can tell you that none of my 4-mixes have ever
required a valve adjustment, however two of them have had carburetor
problems requiring a carburetor replacement, and with both of them this problem
come around within I would say a few 100 hours worth of use.

So as for the rpm's and such, either it works like it should or it doesn't.

[speedshop5]

dealer had already replaced carb under warranty and since i got it back just seems to be not as strong..i do most of my work unless its warranty work...i adjusted carb and rechecked valve setting (.010) last night. seems to crank better but still doesn't turn up like it should, 6900 rpms is all it will turn..bought a new one thurs and it will turn 7200. read something about de-carboning any thoughts on that??

[ed2hess]

That is the problem with having valves.....it might be that they got them too tight and the valves aren't closing?

[Firefighter337]

I havent had any work done to my 550, but I noticed the other day that it did not want to rev right. The exhaust a dull tone to it, not a strong tone. Difficult to explain. So I put some Seafoam in it, mixed it kind of strong. It smoked a tad with white smoke; typical. Then, it hit the strong tone, as it puffed out a small black puff, then went back to the white smoke.

Now it is running like a champ. Called the dealer, a friend of mine. Told him the story. He told me it could of been the carbon build-up, or just bad fuel. Water in it, etc.

He said he would recommend running seafoam regularly. I have always read good things, and been alittle skeptical, but I mixed up a 2.5 gallon oil/gas/seafoam mix, now all of my equipment is running like a top. I thought it was in my head, but everything seems rev's alittle faster now. I let you know how it works out.

I run 93 with the orange Stihl mix oil in all of my 2 stroke/ 4 mix equipment.

[Ridin' Around]

dealer had already replaced carb under warranty and since i got it back just seems to be not as strong..i do most of my work unless its warranty work...i adjusted carb and rechecked valve setting (.010) last night. seems to crank better but still doesn't turn up like it should, 6900 rpms is all it will turn..bought a new one thurs and it will turn 7200. read something about de-carboning any thoughts on that??

The setting should be .1mm or four thousandths of an inch not .010" That little tool is misleading. It is a special application and you need it to fit in there correctly but the # on it is misleading. Those 4 mixes are very easy to daignose if you follow the procedure laid out by Stihl. I will put up a link. I know that many of you may want to print it and hang it up in the shop. If your dealer set it at .010" you may want to call the service Mgr on Monday and ask him to bring his tech up to speed or even take this PDF file in and see if they have seen it!

http://golftechs.us/Reference/4.pdf


Valves are good, but the tech must understand the machine. Hard for some of the die-hard 2 stroke guys to wrap their heads around a new diagnostic procedure, when they are used to reed-valves and piston ports, not a valvetrain!

[speedshop5]

thanks for the information you posted very helpful in trouble shooting. my bad on the valve adjustment, i have the stihl feeler gauge and when i got it asked the mechanic if that was .010 and he said yes. should have put micrometers on it to made sure.. i think i am going to de-carbon it and see if that helps.. thanks again for posting

[RonAyersMotorsports]

Stihl 4-mix valve adjustments should be done about every 150 hours using the STIHL tool part number 4180 893 6400 and valve cover gaskets should be replaced each time. A good tell tell sign that valves are out of adjustment is when the engine becomes hard to pull when starting. Use STIHL Mix and premium gas to prevent carbon build up. For better results use STIHL's synthetic fuel mixes. Unfortunately most tech's don't fully understand this new engine. STIHL's tech schools silver and gold level will make tech's an expert on these engines as well as all their other products.

[triadpm]

dealer had already replaced carb under warranty and since i got it back just seems to be not as strong..i do most of my work unless its warranty work...i adjusted carb and rechecked valve setting (.010) last night. seems to crank better but still doesn't turn up like it should, 6900 rpms is all it will turn..bought a new one thurs and it will turn 7200. read something about de-carboning any thoughts on that??

Curious, what do you use to check rpm's and where do you find it?
Thanks

[nosparkplugs]

Stihl 4-mix valve adjustments should be done about every 150 hours using the STIHL tool part number 4180 893 6400 and valve cover gaskets should be replaced each time. A good tell tell sign that valves are out of adjustment is when the engine becomes hard to pull when starting. Use STIHL Mix and premium gas to prevent carbon build up. For better results use STIHL's synthetic fuel mixes. Unfortunately most tech's don't fully understand this new engine. STIHL's tech schools silver and gold level will make tech's an expert on these engines as well as all their other products.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You can take the Stihl tech schools "silver & gold" expert level & shove it up your arse!!! these Stihl 4-mix engines suck, and should be recalled or come with a "light use only" sticker their junk POS.

Who in their right mind other than a "brainwashed brand loyal Stihl idiot" would want to adjust valves at 150hrs??? when their are 2 stroke blowers that require ZERO valve adjustment; because their are no valves!!!!!! in a REAL 2 stroke engine.

More moving parts equals more maintenance, So long as their are "true" 2 stroke blowers on the market I will avoid the Stihl 4-Mix engines. Here is my experience with Stihl 4-Mix FS130R's POS weedeaters, since I was eating through the units like candy each year:laugh:


The Stihl 4-Mix engine has 2 valves and two pushrods. The exhaust valve has a brass sleeve the pushrod rides on. If you run the 4-mix in heavy grass or for extended periods of time in high ambient temps the brass sleeve will fail under high heat of the 4-mix engine; causing the pushrod to drop onto the piston head seizing the engine. At that point the repair bill is equal to a new FS130R.

100% commercial use no residential No excessive abuse or operator error, other than we worked them hard, just like all our Stihl equipment that runs flawless? The FS250R's I have replaced the FS130R's with have been just amazing in the same applications.


A Stihl 4-Mix engine, is a Stihl 4-Mix engine!!!! no matter what handheld or blower Stihl stuffs the 4-Mix into. I have had great success with all our Stihl equipment expect the 4-Mix engines. So I will stick with our Shindy EB630 blowers too. Stihl 2-stroke power is top of the line. Stihl 4-Mix is old Stihl technology reborn again "dusted off their R&D shelf, to meet the EPA emission standards. So I stick with the higher power dirty real 2-stroke engines that Stihl will always produce, just in smaller runs now. Stihl's 4-mix line is to satisfy the EPA BS, and look green for the tree huggers. Don't believe me ask a Stihl Dealer

I use AMSOIL Saber fully synthetic 2-stroke lubricant in all my 4-mix engines.
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[speedshop5]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tech-Tach-20K-Tachometer-All-Small-Gas-Engines-DTI-110_W0QQitemZ270315795812QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
this is the tach i have just not as new..mine was handed down to me..
also got my blower running great cleaned and adjusted carb, de-carbonized by running three tanks of fuel mixed with seafoam runs alot better considering its was one of the first ones sold and the hours i have on it. also running high octane fuel with synthetic oil.

[viper00085]

if your only off 300 rpms, check your end pipe nozzle. the one thats the "cone head one" if that opening is worn from dragging the ground or damaged, it will affect your top end rpms. Its a integral part of the backpressue design that sets your rpms and wind speed. I have seen plenty of short guys like myself that have them dragging on the ground wear them out quickly, and it does not have to be opened/damaged much for it to cause a rpm drop.


Do a compression check, if your at 135-150#s, that should mean the valves are sealing well and no carbon, sealing issues. if its low, then i would be looking into decarbonzing the top end of the engine or going into it for repairs. Make sure your new carb is set a 2 to 2.5 turns out on the low and 3.5 turns out of the hi-speed side.

on decarbonizing, all these seafoams, etc that you use in the fuels are okay. but to really do it right, go out and get the stihl EDTA acid (# 0781-313-8019). you have to remove the valve cover, set the engine to the point were the cam is in overlap (both valves slightly open) and then crank down on the rocker arm adjusters a little further to really open both valves up. remove the plug and pour in the acid till it starts coming back out of the plug hole. now let it sit for a few hours. come back, get out all the edta, blow thru the engine to get all the carbon chuncks/debris out and roll the engine to TDC. Now reset your valve lashes to spec and reassemble. Your compression should be back up strong again (135-150#'s). also a good idea is to remove the spark arrestor screen from the muffler and make sure no carbon chuncks are stuck to it and the decarbonizing (we have seen that fool alot of techs, were now the thing idles good, but no top end power). reinstall the screen and crank her up, she will smell weird for a few minutes as it burns the edta off.

[speedshop5]

does the stihl dealer sell the edta over the counter or is it something they have to use in the shop??? whats it usally cost and how does it come?? also i noticed what you were talking about with the tube..i took my new one and put it on my old one and it did increase the rpms some...thanks for the input..

[viper00085]

you should be able to buy it over the counter. We retail for approx $3.50 a bottle. and the bottle will last a long time and get many decarbs out of it.

[RonAyersMotorsports]

For the one bad mouthing STIHL 4Mix engines. I am a STIHL Dealer and have had plenty of daily experience with the STIHL 4 mix engine since it came out. It is entirely new technology that is advanced about ten years ahead of its competitors. If you have a dealer and mechanic that truly understands the engine and not just 2-stroke technology we have proven that the new 4 mix engines will not only provide more fuel economy, sometimes even up to 29% less, but provide more torgue through low and high throttle and actually with proper valve maintenance, which only takes about ten minutes, outlast the old 2 stroke units. I often due this adjustment at my counter for my customers when they stop by for parts. And with EPA standards cracking down the competitors ten years from now will wish they had poured more money in research and development like STIHL. Who has already met EPA's that don't even exist yet.
Unfortunately I have found that those landscapers unhappy with these units is usually due to a mechanic that refuses to understand the new technology. For instance I have a 4mix blower that was brought in to me from a landscaper in a box from another dealer who said it wasn't worth fixing. Upon reassembling the unit I found it only had a sheared flywheel key that originally caused the failure. The unit runs fine now. And talk to any mechanic who has actually attended the schools at STIHL and see if he says to shove them.
We are here to inform not insult. Thanks.:hammerhead:

[Jason Rose]

This has to be one of the most INFORMATIVE threads on LS in a while! (for those of us that have some a-mix stuff anyway).

I printed off the PDF for the repair and maintenance procedures, thanks for the link!

I have my FC95 edger at the dealer, still, for a "tune up". It was just getting to be a pita to get running about 1/2 the time, and at times it would stall and die when I let off the throttle. Figured that was the valve adjustment needed. Now that I have all the instructions, I still don't have the tool...

Also, SpeedShop, thanks for the link to the Tach. Don't know if I will get that one, but it reminded me that I want one of those handheld types. Buddy of mine has one from back in his days as a small engine mech. Would have worked good if I knew that I needed to set it on ONE cylinder to check RPMS on a V-twin Kohler. Been working on my own stuff for years and never knew about how they fired.

[Ridin' Around]

For the one bad mouthing STIHL 4Mix engines. I am a STIHL Dealer and have had plenty of daily experience with the STIHL 4 mix engine since it came out. It is entirely new technology that is advanced about ten years ahead of its competitors. If you have a dealer and mechanic that truly understands the engine and not just 2-stroke technology we have proven that the new 4 mix engines will not only provide more fuel economy, sometimes even up to 29% less, but provide more torgue through low and high throttle and actually with proper valve maintenance, which only takes about ten minutes, outlast the old 2 stroke units. I often due this adjustment at my counter for my customers when they stop by for parts. And with EPA standards cracking down the competitors ten years from now will wish they had poured more money in research and development like STIHL. Who has already met EPA's that don't even exist yet.
Unfortunately I have found that those landscapers unhappy with these units is usually due to a mechanic that refuses to understand the new technology. For instance I have a 4mix blower that was brought in to me from a landscaper in a box from another dealer who said it wasn't worth fixing. Upon reassembling the unit I found it only had a sheared flywheel key that originally caused the failure. The unit runs fine now. And talk to any mechanic who has actually attended the schools at STIHL and see if he says to shove them.
We are here to inform not insult. Thanks.:hammerhead:

Great post, I agree.

[nosparkplugs]

For the one bad mouthing STIHL 4Mix engines. I am a STIHL Dealer and have had plenty of daily experience with the STIHL 4 mix engine since it came out. It is entirely new technology that is advanced about ten years ahead of its competitors. If you have a dealer and mechanic that truly understands the engine and not just 2-stroke technology we have proven that the new 4 mix engines will not only provide more fuel economy, sometimes even up to 29% less, but provide more torque through low and high throttle and actually with proper valve maintenance, which only takes about ten minutes, outlast the old 2 stroke units. I often due this adjustment at my counter for my customers when they stop by for parts. And with EPA standards cracking down the competitors ten years from now will wish they had poured more money in research and development like STIHL. Who has already met EPA's that don't even exist yet.
Unfortunately I have found that those landscapers unhappy with these units is usually due to a mechanic that refuses to understand the new technology. For instance I have a 4mix blower that was brought in to me from a landscaper in a box from another dealer who said it wasn't worth fixing. Upon reassembling the unit I found it only had a sheared flywheel key that originally caused the failure. The unit runs fine now. And talk to any mechanic who has actually attended the schools at STIHL and see if he says to shove them.
We are here to inform not insult. Thanks.:hammerhead:

Did not mention your name in any of my post's just the Stihl gold or silver level schooling is a joke; because it's not mandatory, and few dealers attend guilty conscious?, or does my experience just uncover the truth. You make It sound like I'm the only one having issue's with 4-mix? others on Lawnsite just choose to accept the shaft quietly.



Did you fix the landscapers BR 4-Mix blower for free from the other dealer? If so your the exception not the rule for Stihl dealers. So according to you a 4-Mix FS130R will run better than a FS250R?:laugh:; which requires no valve adjustments, and weights the same?



Stihl has brought the 4-Mix engine technology to market too soon for the dealers, and the commercial end user is the guinea pig. Do you explain to all your customers the pro's & con's of the 4-Mix units? Local dealers only preach the positive not all the maintenance. Neitiher local Stihl dealers have ever mentioned anyone going to school for the 4-Mix engine training:laugh:, in fact most are uneducated about the engine's I found out. Only after my issues with the FS130R's did the local dealer call the Stihl distributor to question the engine failures I had, all required a short block to fix, and I got zero dealer or distributor support.

My experience is that the 4-Mix engines out of the box perform well, but with continued use require more maintenance to maintain that "out of the box" performance period. The added valve train component's cannot be considered an asset for performance, but a step for Stihl towards EPA Tier 4 emission that do not exist yet!. Sorry I'm done being a 4-Mix guinea pig, when Sithl mandates 4-mix engine training, and I see documented high quality dealer support? you then might have a leg to stand on with me.

Right now their are better 2-Stoke options, and frankly I'm not required to buy into this early stage, flawed 4-Mix engine, EPA emission technology just yet:clapping: Our family, has passed down the tradition of supporting Stihl; because of their relentless legendary quality, power, performance, and lack of maintenance until the 4-mix technology was shoved down my throat by Stihl dealer. If Stihl is investing in this 4-Mix technology for the future, and pushing it on it's loyal customers & dealer chain, Stihl should educate & support the dealers better, address the valve adjustment as a free service if it's so easy, and requires no special tools:laugh:


Stihl should honor short block replacements for lower serial # runs with the weak valve's their NOT!! Can I ship my three FS130R's to your Stihl dealership, since your doing charity work:laugh:
Don't see either local Stihl dealer saying "bring those THREE FS130R's we sold you, were sorry you have the units within the lower serial number run's with known valve issues". Or remember to bring the unit into me to do that valve adjustment for you when I purchased the units; which I was never told you about in the first place!!!!!:laugh: Stihl dealers should be taught "I value your commercial business". Nope it's more like when he blows those cheap 4-Mix FS130R we pushed on him up, we'll just sell him the better Stihl FS250R's then:laugh:


I disturbs me when such a large company like Stihl, and their dealers loose focus of whom their in business for? It's about sales numbers now, gone are the days of good dealer service; which is obviously vital for a 4-Mix to run past 2 years.

[RonAyersMotorsports]

Like I said some dealerships and mechanics like yours obviously don't understand 4 mix engines. And you shore put alot of words in my mouth. If the STIHL FS130 was comparable to the FS250 they wouldn't still produce it now would they?

I am a STIHL Dealer that prides himself in above average service and I fully understand everything I work on maybe that's why my customers love the new 4mix Engines. And for your info most of my landscapers have been in business for over twenty years, with MY SERVICE, they see the difference a 4 mix makes.

Good Day Thanks for the positive reply's. You know who you are as for the negative, everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if they're wrong.:hammerhead:

[topsites]

I do agree the reluctance and outright refusal to accept 4-cycle engines is more head in the sand stuff than anything else.
However, Stihl's own attitude in the matter isn't helping.

My tolerance level might be slightly higher if my dealer 'often' offered to adjust the valves for me,
however they have never done this, now don't bust a move adjusting valves on account of what I
just said, it makes little difference.

They flat out refuse to give us part numbers, telling us to go through 'authorized distributors,'
the same folks who charge me $9 for a spark plug but the part that really irritates is these folks
THINK that between dealers and manufacturers they got this little "old boy network" down good.
Because that's what is being done here, stifling out all competition.

That's on top of refusing the customer any sort of discount,
come here they tell us, we will do you right.
Granted, that they do :p

I find it preposterous when someone assumes they are safe from things such as competition,
but worse still is when steps have been taken to assure one is either "IN" or "OUT!"
Yes sir, "good old boys."

Stihl "school," what the hell is that but more of the same.

[Ridin' Around]

Sorry I'm done being a 4-Mix guinea pig, when Sithl mandates 4-mix engine training, and I see documented high quality dealer support? you then might have a leg to stand on with me.

Stihl should honor short block replacements for lower serial # runs with the weak valve's their NOT!! Can I ship my three FS130R's to your Stihl dealership, since your doing charity work:laugh:
Don't see either local Stihl dealer saying "bring those THREE FS130R's we sold you, were sorry you have the units within the lower serial number run's with known valve issues". Or remember to bring the unit into me to do that valve adjustment for you when I purchased the units; which I was never told you about in the first place!!!!!:laugh: Stihl dealers should be taught "I value your commercial business". Nope it's more like when he blows those cheap 4-Mix FS130R we pushed on him up, we'll just sell him the better Stihl FS250R's then:laugh:


I disturbs me when such a large company like Stihl, and their dealers loose focus of whom their in business for? It's about sales numbers now, gone are the days of good dealer service; which is obviously vital for a 4-Mix to run past 2 years.

If you are not happy with your dealer's service you should get ahold of the Service Manager at the Distributor. When I was employed at a Stihl Dealership, (I am a Stihl Certified Tech) our distributor sent 3 people to our dealership including 1 person from Stihl-USA in Virginia Beach. We gave them a list of all of the landscapers who had purchased 4 MIX powered products, and then searched through work orders for all of those landscapers. They spoke with many of the customers personally and over 2 days they replaced approx. a half dozen units with early serial #'s. This was on top of the 7-8 that had already been replaced, with permission from the distributor over the phone. I would say that Stihl, or at least our distributor, stood behind the product very well. Our distributor also worked very hard to train techs and salespeople about the products and what makes them different. If the dealer is not letting the distributor know of your problems, they cannot help you.

"now, gone are the days of good dealer service" -Not where I worked, and obviously not at RonAyersMotorsports. Maybe you should search out another dealer. Let the distributor know, they can't improve it otherwise.


Oh yeah, 1 more thing, how far down will you let the TBN go in your truck before you change the oil? I asked in that thread but you may have overlooked my question. I am curious. I enjoy reading your diesel posts, you are very informative.

[RonAyersMotorsports]

Thanks, and service is what sets my business apart from other local competitors in my area even other STIHL Dealers so I do simpify with those who don't have the service, from a STIHL dealer, that one has come to expect from dealers like us. I suggest using your dealer locator usually, there is another dealer within twenty miles that they may provide better service.

[john_incircuit]

Ridin Around has it correct, valve setting should be 0.1 mm or four thousandths of an inch.

We have 2 BR 600 and 1 BR 550, plus 2 Stihl 110 4-Mix trimmers. The trimmers and the 550 are the oldest, we purchased them over 3 years ago. They get used every day, never had a single issue with them.

One of the 600 dropped a valve within the first year, was fixed under warranty. Dealer said that even if the unit would have been two years old, they still would have fixed it free. Maybe our dealer is different, but this guy is certainly great.

A good year ago we switched to the white “Ultra” oil. Makes a big difference, blowers perform very well with it. We also idle the blower for 30 sec or so before we turn it off, if we have a larger job, we always fill up the blower before we begin to prevent it from running out of gas and stopping suddenly without “cool down idle”.

Yes, the fancy Stihl gas caps can be a pain. On one of the blowers, it was rather easy to put the gas cap on in such a way that it was leaking for sure.

I do most of the maintenance, the valve adjustment is really no big deal. I think that the 600 runs around 4.5 hrs full throttle per gallon of gas. I adjust the valves every 150 hrs, this is equivalent to around 33 gallons of mix. From start to finish, it takes 15 mins or less to adjust the valves. After the initial, first time adjustment, there is very little actual valve adjustment needed. We sharpen the lawnmower blades every 10 hrs, so to check / adjust valves every 150 hrs is OK for me.

Yes, any repair is a setback, especially if you have to pay for it and I sure hope that Stihl did learn the lessons. It just can’t be good PR to read and experience the valve drop issues. Performance and economy are important, but neither one does any good without the reliability.

On the other hand, it is fairly easy to make a handsome profit with the blowers and even if they would last only 500 hours, that’s not even $1 per operating hour. Of all the tools we have, including the mowers, our Stihl blowers have the best actual cost to charge rate ratio.

[Green Pastures]

Excellent post John!

Thanks for bringing the voice of reason.

[john_incircuit]

Excellent post John!

Thanks for bringing the voice of reason.

Thanks!! This is what happens when you have a slow day ...

[Jason Rose]

ANd I was a fool and took my FC95 edger into the dealer to get the valves adjusted and a general tune-up because I thought I couldn't do the valves myself!? Sad thing is that I took it out there like 3 weeks ago and haven't ever heard back from them!

When I do finally get a call that it's done I'm gonna get a spare valve cover gasket for my BR600 and check/adjust the valves myself. It runs good, but it's also been through 2 leaf seasons since I bought it.

Thanks for the picture. Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

[john_incircuit]

I think there are 7 screws to get the orange cover off, plus one for the valve cover.

Just make sure you have the TDC figured out correctly. It is easy to check with the spark plug out. Also, you need to cut a small slot in your feeler gauge, as there is very little room left and right of the push rod.

[nosparkplugs]

nice picture's just wish I could buy into the 4-Mix technology again. I support Stihl whenever possible; their is just no across the board Lawnsite support or rock soild dealer support on these 4-Mix engines.


THe major argument for accepting this 4-Mix technology has been that were going to be forced into accepting this technology as the future for our 2 stroke engine's anyway? . Their will always be 2 stroke options with zero valve maintenance.

The EPA will allow for "emission credits" Stihl has choosen to cash in these emission credits for their heavy duty commercial 2 stroke engine line-up weedeater's brushcutters chainsaws, not blowers. Redmax & Shindy will continue to dominate the heavy duty blower segment. While Stihl cash's in on the added maintenance & shorter lifespan of the 4-Mix engine's NO Stihl 4-MIX "kool aide" drinking here.

[salvagedrover]

nosparkplugs is an idiot. I AM stihl silver level II certified. the valves are messed up. you probably had some backwater, stump-jumpin' jibber-speakin' hilljack fix it for you like this diesel idiot. the environment is f'ed up. anyone with a brain knows it. companies like stihl and redmax and echo are doing stuff about it. technically, 4-cycle, OHV engines should get a valve adj. every 100 hrs. if you can't afford a few 2$ gaskets and about 5 mins. of time for the amount of money this machine is making you, as well as lessening noise levels and helping the environment, then go do something else. personally, I like redmax blowers not stihl. but its ford vs. chevy vs. dodge vs. toyota. its personal preference with similar general performance. its lazy arseholes like this okd fcuk, that give rednecks a bad name. 20 years experience, 10 years experience? you would know the world keeps spinning w/o your help, and that technology evolves w/o you as well. this is how it is, only an idjit fights the enevitable. do you still use microfiche? do you own something with points and a condensor? then you're a moron, and your name is this guy.

-dave

PS. your trimmers are made to do just that: trim. they are over designed, but sold to be trimmers, not brushcutters. that's why brushcutters exist. right tool for the right job. try leaving on the trimming shield, its there for the trimmer, not to keep people like you alive. on second thought, leave them off, turn the trimmer edgewise and go lower the swath full-throttle into some gravel. get your head nice and close too. morons.

[RonAyersMotorsports]

Thanks John, for again speaking with reason. However, if you do not want to mess up your gauge tools the fitted stihl valve adjustment tool can be purchased at a local dealer for less than a dollar.

[Green Pastures]

Funny how if you just read throught the entire thread you can easily see who lives through thought and logic and who lives on emotions.

[nosparkplugs]

nosparkplugs is an idiot. I AM stihl silver level II certified. the valves are messed up. you probably had some backwater, stump-jumpin' jibber-speakin' hilljack fix it for you like this diesel idiot. the environment is f'ed up. anyone with a brain knows it. companies like stihl and redmax and echo are doing stuff about it. technically, 4-cycle, OHV engines should get a valve adj. every 100 hrs. if you can't afford a few 2$ gaskets and about 5 mins. of time for the amount of money this machine is making you, as well as lessening noise levels and helping the environment, then go do something else. personally, I like redmax blowers not stihl. but its ford vs. chevy vs. dodge vs. toyota. its personal preference with similar general performance. its lazy arseholes like this okd fcuk, that give rednecks a bad name. 20 years experience, 10 years experience? you would know the world keeps spinning w/o your help, and that technology evolves w/o you as well. this is how it is, only an idjit fights the enevitable. do you still use microfiche? do you own something with points and a condensor? then you're a moron, and your name is this guy.

-dave

PS. your trimmers are made to do just that: trim. they are over designed, but sold to be trimmers, not brushcutters. that's why brushcutters exist. right tool for the right job. try leaving on the trimming shield, its there for the trimmer, not to keep people like you alive. on second thought, leave them off, turn the trimmer edgewise and go lower the swath full-throttle into some gravel. get your head nice and close too. morons.

wow:laugh: Spoken like a true professional with emotion, Actually I would take my Stihl 4-Mix units to the 2 local Stihl Dealers trying to get answers must all hire the backwater redneck stump jumin, no education but have that Stihl level II certification guys like you. The Stihl 4-Mix has fundamental flaws in the engine, cost is then passed on to the commercial consumer throughout ownership.

It's guys like you that cement my believe that these engines bring the worst out in people; their a pain in the arse to own, not mandatory, never will be. mandatory,. Your contradictions vindicate your rant well:clapping:



Actually I have 2 real degree's from a recognized State universities! not some weekend Stihl seminar.

[nosparkplugs]

Funny how if you just read throught the entire thread you can easily see who lives through thought and logic and who lives on emotions.

Yes master yoda

[Green Pastures]

Yes master yoda


Got a guilty conscience?

[nosparkplugs]

Got a guilty conscience?

No I don't

[Green Pastures]

No I don't


Glad to hear it.

[nosparkplugs]

Glad to hear it.

having a good morning? until I logged in Huh