Compaction?

[stuvecorp]

What do you all use for compaction on projects? Plates, reversible plates, skid mounted rollers, or type of self propelled roller? As I go after bigger work the compaction gets more important, would like to hear some how and why's.

[ksss]

I have a plate compactor, jumping jack both from IR and a CASE DV202 double drum, smooth.

I would like to get a sheeps foot attachment for the skid steer. I don't need it often but on occasion. Couldn't justify having a self propelled model, it sounds like they do a good job and you wouldn't have the issues of hauling another dedicated machine around.

[stuvecorp]

Why did you go with the double drum? Have never seen anyone use one unless it is on blacktop, just curious. I have the regular plate and have tried jumping jacks but would like a reversible plate but am having trouble picking what size. Always wondered how good the skidsteer rollers work?

[Dirtman2007]

We use jumping jacks for compacting arround pipes, a walk behind rammax for larger pipes. we've also used the ride on sheeps foot compactors along with the smooth drum rollers like KSSS is using( the ones that will kill your back if you run over a rock larger than 1"!)


You would be surprise at how good just a dozer will pack dirt when putting it in 6" layers then tracking it in.

[ksss]

Why did you go with the double drum? Have never seen anyone use one unless it is on blacktop, just curious. I have the regular plate and have tried jumping jacks but would like a reversible plate but am having trouble picking what size. Always wondered how good the skidsteer rollers work?

I most often use it prep concrete pads. I use it for other things as in that picture. I like it cause it offers the most versatility. The smooth drum skid steer attachments are an option but I like not tearing up the subbase with a skid steer. This hits harder and leaves a great finish, plus I can use it for asphalt on patch jobs which is as much asphalt as I do.

You really have to have a jumping jack. When compacting footings, areas such as porches and about a ton of other things there is no replacement other than maybe a hoe pac. The reversible plates do a great job but much like a regular plate they have limitations such as depth of lift and reversible plates are heavy and are not usually man portable.

[Mini man]

I have a jumping jack and a 1000 lb reversable plate packer.....all you need :canadaflag:

[stuvecorp]

I most often use it prep concrete pads. I use it for other things as in that picture. I like it cause it offers the most versatility. The smooth drum skid steer attachments are an option but I like not tearing up the subbase with a skid steer. This hits harder and leaves a great finish, plus I can use it for asphalt on patch jobs which is as much asphalt as I do.

You really have to have a jumping jack. When compacting footings, areas such as porches and about a ton of other things there is no replacement other than maybe a hoe pac. The reversible plates do a great job but much like a regular plate they have limitations such as depth of lift and reversible plates are heavy and are not usually man portable.

That's what has kept me from getting the reversible, don't want to get a monster and then can never lift it without the machines. I have been looking for a jumping jack, thought I was going to get one from the Cat rental fleet but was not nice enough to own. The jumping jack is sort of awkward to use, would like a small version for the hardscape end of things. Waiting for a nuclear powered hand tamper.

The excavators here have the small single drum rollers ranging from 4' to 5' I think. I haven't come across anyone ever putting base coarse under their concrete. Do the skid ones hit good? Does anyone use those?

[Construct'O]

WOW !!!! I'm impressed:) I know those Case machines are powerful ,but running on that steep slope is really impressive:weightlifter:

You need to get the rotation thing down(upright) i have a hard time turning my neck side ways,but nothing new doesn't want to turn very good when i'm trying to back up either:cry:.

Where was you seatbelt:confused:

Nice looking machine there:drinkup:.

The only Case packers we had was on one of our roadjobs was an old Case(2470???) 4-wheel drive tractor with a sheepfoot roller behind it,until the frame busted into.;)

It probably didn't have anything to do with the dozer in front of it pulling it through our barpit with the ripper tied behind it.:hammerhead::usflag:

[Construct'O]

That's what has kept me from getting the reversible, don't want to get a monster and then can never lift it without the machines. I have been looking for a jumping jack, thought I was going to get one from the Cat rental fleet but was not nice enough to own. The jumping jack is sort of awkward to use, would like a small version for the hardscape end of things. Waiting for a nuclear powered hand tamper.

The excavators here have the small single drum rollers ranging from 4' to 5' I think. I haven't come across anyone ever putting base coarse under their concrete. Do the skid ones hit good? Does anyone use those?

News flyer here the other day had a Bobcat vib compacter to fit skid for $7500.That all the info they gave:confused::usflag:

[Dirt Digger2]

we use jumping jacks for small things, trench roller for garage backfilling/etc..., and an older IR double drum the same size as KSSS's for driveways, etc...

we rent for the larger projects

[Gravel Rat]

For your own equipment supply have a jumping jack and a small plate compactor. When you have bigger jobs rent what you need.

[bobcatuser]

The excavators here have the small single drum rollers ranging from 4' to 5' I think. I haven't come across anyone ever putting base coarse under their concrete. Do the skid ones hit good? Does anyone use those?

I have a Bobcat 74" roller, it's rated 9000 Lbs force. For most of my work it's all I need. To run at max capacity it needs 26 gallons per minute, on my T320 I can run it at 1600 RPM in high flow. Running a 74" roller might be a problem to get 26 GPM with no high flow, they do make a 48" with less requirements.

[ksss]

That's what has kept me from getting the reversible, don't want to get a monster and then can never lift it without the machines. I have been looking for a jumping jack, thought I was going to get one from the Cat rental fleet but was not nice enough to own. The jumping jack is sort of awkward to use, would like a small version for the hardscape end of things. Waiting for a nuclear powered hand tamper.

The excavators here have the small single drum rollers ranging from 4' to 5' I think. I haven't come across anyone ever putting base coarse under their concrete. Do the skid ones hit good? Does anyone use those?


Everything here except for some homebuilders has 3/4 crushed roadbase approx. 4" in depth compacted under the concrete. All the Cities, school districts, the State, and commercial projects spec the same way. The depth may vary but they all want the gravel. Its the only way to ensure compaction, as a proctor for the native soil may not exist and is usually not suitable.

[stuvecorp]

I have a Bobcat 74" roller, it's rated 9000 Lbs force. For most of my work it's all I need. To run at max capacity it needs 26 gallons per minute, on my T320 I can run it at 1600 RPM in high flow. Running a 74" roller might be a problem to get 26 GPM with no high flow, they do make a 48" with less requirements.

They don't give them away do they? For garages and pole buildings I have thought the roller would be nice. Don't really want to use the plate and spend all day but usually it is the concrete guys thing to take care of. Interesting about running in high flow, it probably is nice to be able to throw an attachment on the truck/trailer than hauling a separate machine.

Here it is mostly sand so alot of concrete guys pretty much backdrag and pour.:rolleyes:

[ksss]

I didn't know that those vibratory roller attachments were made to run with high flow. I have always tried to keep an eye out for one cheap. They seem to hold their value pretty well as I still don't have one. I have a hard time paying 7500 for one.

[stuvecorp]

I didn't know that those vibratory roller attachments were made to run with high flow. I have always tried to keep an eye out for one cheap. They seem to hold their value pretty well as I still don't have one. I have a hard time paying 7500 for one.

There is so many attachments like the roller that I want, just have to keep watching I guess.

[bobcat_ron]

We rent a big Cat 563 roller from a contact of my brother's for the big stuff, a 1000 lb diesel plate packer and bring in the hoe pack for the trenches, I have used compactors on skid steers, but the weight isn't there to do a proper job, especially blast rock, 24,000 pounds of rolling steel with 150 hp does a better job than a 10,000 pound T320, sorry Steve.

[KRtraxx]

I didn't know that those vibratory roller attachments were made to run with high flow. I have always tried to keep an eye out for one cheap. They seem to hold their value pretty well as I still don't have one. I have a hard time paying 7500 for one.

Ksss,2 years ago down in Racine,Wi. Case had some old stock ones (sheeps foot and smooth drum ones)...They were new but like 2 years old..84"ers They blew them out for in the 4,000 to 4500 range... A super buy...

[grassmanvt]

That's what has kept me from getting the reversible, don't want to get a monster and then can never lift it without the machines. I have been looking for a jumping jack, thought I was going to get one from the Cat rental fleet but was not nice enough to own. The jumping jack is sort of awkward to use, would like a small version for the hardscape end of things. Waiting for a nuclear powered hand tamper.

The excavators here have the small single drum rollers ranging from 4' to 5' I think. I haven't come across anyone ever putting base coarse under their concrete. Do the skid ones hit good? Does anyone use those?

I have a dynapac cc102, nice little rig 3 ton or so. Also, this fall picked up a used cat 66 or 68" ? (can't remember the model) skid mounted roller. I've yet to run it myself but lent it out to a friend doing a big commercial building and he and his other guy who used it told me they were impressed and happy with it. I would consider selling that one if anyone's interested. To my recollection, it required only low flow. I'd like to get 5k for it. Close to 10 k new from the cat store from what I hear.

[bobcatuser]

We rent a big Cat 563 roller from a contact of my brother's for the big stuff, a 1000 lb diesel plate packer and bring in the hoe pack for the trenches, I have used compactors on skid steers, but the weight isn't there to do a proper job, especially blast rock, 24,000 pounds of rolling steel with 150 hp does a better job than a 10,000 pound T320, sorry Steve.

I have never had a problem passing compaction testing with the roller. Sure a Cat 563 would be faster doing 24" lifts, but that's not my market. How much is the rental with delivery for a Cat 563?

[bobcatuser]

I didn't know that those vibratory roller attachments were made to run with high flow. I have always tried to keep an eye out for one cheap. They seem to hold their value pretty well as I still don't have one. I have a hard time paying 7500 for one.

I had the T320 flow tested to determine the RPM needed in high flow, that way I can save fuel and not worry about blowing the seals out. If you look at the rated force running 21 GPM it is 50% less force than running the full 26 GPM, that will make a huge difference in how things work.

[stuvecorp]

I have never had a problem passing compaction testing with the roller. Sure a Cat 563 would be faster doing 24" lifts, but that's not my market. How much is the rental with delivery for a Cat 563?

What is a typical lift and how much change in different material?

It would be nice to have a rpm gauge when running attachments. The NH had that and used it when sweeping, it seemed to sweep better when slowed down and that way I always was close to the same speed.

[bobcat_ron]

I have never had a problem passing compaction testing with the roller. Sure a Cat 563 would be faster doing 24" lifts, but that's not my market. How much is the rental with delivery for a Cat 563?

$450 a day, I'm not sure who delivers it, sometimes it has been our people with our old truck and tag or Verrault or even the usual lowbed company we hire.
We rent it from Siemens Contracting as well as their 330CL, we did a lot of horse trading with them before Lucas let the money go to his head. :laugh: