Our Equipment over the years...

[PR0 TURF]

Not sure what I'm gonna post here...just a bunch of pics I have floating around from over the last few years...


This is what I started with in 2001...two Scags and a landscape trailer...I had been mowing lawns in the neighborhood with a Craftsman rider since I was twelve...2001 was when i first started to get the ball rolling...

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some pics of trucks & equipment we took in the fall of 2005...

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some pics of our shop back in 2005...

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some pics of the inside of our irrigation trailer...the trailer is a 20ft Haulmark with plenty of room for everything we need plus our pipe & ditch witch...

[pclawncare]

Wow seriously that is very impressive. I hope to be as big as you some day. Im working on it

[jaybow]

Wow!
What part of the business makes you the most money?

[bjlawnman]

Wow.. That irrigation trailer is awesome!

[Lawn Enforcer]

Wow, very impressive!

[CALandscapes]

Nice...

I've been inspired to start working on organizing my shop and trailers!!

You should see how unorganized my irrigation supplies are right now... :cry::hammerhead::dizzy:

[PR0 TURF]

Wow!
What part of the business makes you the most money?

The best profit margins for us are in the winter doing snow...our Irrigation work used to be a great source of revenue but that has sharply declined over the last two seasons as the economy has slowed down...our hydroseeding/lawn installations usually treats us well when the work is there...but things are not as good as they once were with this economy...my favorite time of year is blowing out sprinkler systems in the fall...I feel like that is where we make the most money in a 10hr work day...

So I guess I didn't really answer your question very well...but I tried! hahha

[PR0 TURF]

Nice...

I've been inspired to start working on organizing my shop and trailers!!

You should see how unorganized my irrigation supplies are right now... :cry::hammerhead::dizzy:

I know what you're saying!!!!! When I started doing irrigation work the back of my pickup looked like a bomb went off...boxes of crap everywhere...shovels...pipe...fittings...ugggggggh...it used to drive me crazy so we did this up one winter & our efficiency has gone through the roof as you can imagine... :dancing:

[PR0 TURF]

She's definitely not pretty...but this is what we used to do our fall cleanups with...I believe the motor was a Ford 6 cylinder...300CI? It worked awesome...keep small children & pets away!! :weightlifter:

[PR0 TURF]

This is how we do our leaves nowadays...I hated sucking up leaves more than anything...using our Bobcat is so much quicker! People always say that the vacs mulch them up...which is true...but you can use the bucket and squash down the pile in the truck to compress them easily. I'll challenge anyone to a race...wet leaves...dry leaves...bring it on!!!!!!! :usflag:

[PR0 TURF]

Here are a few randoms...

[PR0 TURF]

Here's some of our snow stuff...my favorite time of the year!

[Junior M]

Man, I love your trailer that you haul your loader on! I want to put underbody boxes on ours but they would be really shallow.. Can I offer some constructive critisism? When you tied down your loader, put the bucket flat...

[PR0 TURF]

Man, I love your trailer that you haul your loader on! I want to put underbody boxes on ours but they would be really shallow.. Can I offer some constructive critisism? When you tied down your loader, put the bucket flat...

Those underbody boxes are great...we carry all of our rakes, shovels, tools, you name it...its in there...or is supposed to be!! I hear ya on the bucket...thanks...

[PR0 TURF]

Here's some more misc pics...

[Junior M]

Say, how old is the yanmar? Any plans on upgrading?

[PR0 TURF]

Say, how old is the yanmar? Any plans on upgrading?

The Yanmar is an oldie but a goodie...it definitely gets its fair share of use...but it still hasn't made it to the top of the upgrade list with all the other things...only can do what the checkbook will let me...

I believe its from the 80's sometime...i really don't know the year off hand. It'll do in a pinch though!

[Junior M]

The Yanmar is an oldie but a goodie...it definitely gets its fair share of use...but it still hasn't made it to the top of the upgrade list with all the other things...only can do what the checkbook will let me...

I believe its from the 80's sometime...i really don't know the year off hand. It'll do in a pinch though!
Any machine is better than a shovel! I was just curious, you never usually see a machine that old still running in good condition..

[4.3mudder]

Man, I like you logos. They are awesome. I also like the summit sign in the building! I would have to say very very nice. Maybe I will get there someday... Good luck man.

[nnj18]

how many accounts do you service? do you do any hardscaping? and where's the 2008 photoshoot? lol

[Tyler7692]

ProTurf, your business is impressive. What contributed most to your growth? I mean, it seems it would be hard to go from 2 Scags to everything pictured in just four years. What's the trick?

[nnj18]

ProTurf, your business is impressive. What contributed most to your growth? I mean, it seems it would be hard to go from 2 Scags to everything pictured in just four years. What's the trick?

very, very good credit :) lol.......without it, it doesn't matter if you have 1000 lawn accounts you won't get that loan you need for a new truck, shop, mowers, etc.

[ryry278]

wow man looks like you have grown alot since 2001. Really like the setup

[born2farm]

Wow very impressive to see the growth in just 4 years. Do you have a current picture of your lineup?

[J&R Landscaping]

Very impressive set-up!

[PerfectEarth]

Awesome pictures. Congrats on all of your hard work! That first pic to the second one is amazing!!

BUT.....(haha, you know it had to come)...I cannot comprehend doing leaves the way you do it with that skidsteer! How is that efficient? You need to tow that thing around, it probably marks up driveways and streets, you have all that extra clean-up from it flinging leaves here and there... If it works, cool- I just don't see how a large vac is not more capable. I would take you up on your challenge!! :)

[Junior M]

Awesome pictures. Congrats on all of your hard work! That first pic to the second one is amazing!!

BUT.....(haha, you know it had to come)...I cannot comprehend doing leaves the way you do it with that skidsteer! How is that efficient? You need to tow that thing around, it probably marks up driveways and streets, you have all that extra clean-up from it flinging leaves here and there... If it works, cool- I just don't see how a large vac is not more capable. I would take you up on your challenge!! :)
Its a 4 wheel steer loader, go to www.bobcat.com and look at the A300, you'll understand. It wont or shouldnt mark up the driveways if its done the right way..

[DUSTYCEDAR]

what kind of hydroseeder do u have how do u like it
great work on all the machines nice and clean.

[PerfectEarth]

Yea, I am familiar with the 300, I didn't notice the model in the pics.. Still, I stand by my statement.

[6ofus]

Pro Turf- Verry nice! what size and make is the enclosed trailer in the 4th pic. thanks

[syzer]

Awesome pictures. Congrats on all of your hard work! That first pic to the second one is amazing!!

BUT.....(haha, you know it had to come)...I cannot comprehend doing leaves the way you do it with that skidsteer! How is that efficient? You need to tow that thing around, it probably marks up driveways and streets, you have all that extra clean-up from it flinging leaves here and there... If it works, cool- I just don't see how a large vac is not more capable. I would take you up on your challenge!! :)

Ditto, I would put our 100hp 22" hose vacs against that bad boy any day. When we run around condos, apartments, or large retail sucking up multiple huge piles of leaves, pine needles, etc there is no way a skidder could keep up.

[DBL]

very nice operation you got there

[PR0 TURF]

how many accounts do you service? do you do any hardscaping? and where's the 2008 photoshoot? lol

We had done hardscaping for two seasons...but we have since pulled away from that...we were getting too much going on at once...too many stirrers in one pot (or whatever that saying is!?) So we pulled out of that and now just focus on what we are set up for & good at...

Every year we say we are gonna do a photoshoot again...but damn its such a process...get everything off the jobs they're on...wash everything...get it all set up at our shop...find a photographer...pray for good weather on that day...uggggggh!! That one keeps getting put on the backburner...

We service approx 125 property maint. accounts throughout the year...some big...some small...but we do a bunch of other work besides just property maint. which keeps is moving year round just about

[PR0 TURF]

ProTurf, your business is impressive. What contributed most to your growth? I mean, it seems it would be hard to go from 2 Scags to everything pictured in just four years. What's the trick?

There are definitely alot of factors to the growth. One of the biggest was that I got the ball rolling when I was prettyyoung & I had no bills at all besides work stuff. I lived at home for the longest time...didn't have any hobbies to spend any money on...every single penny I made was put right back into the business.

Right outta the door our first season we were mowing 60 lawns a week by the end of that season. And by season two we were into 80 lawns...and the 3rd season we started to get some bigger commercial maintenance work (55+ communities etc) and irrigation & bobcat work etc...

Another big thing...there may be alot of equipment in those pictures...but there is not much brand new equipment for sure! Alot of that stuff is older equipment that I didn't pay crazy money for...and I'd take it home...clean it up...put some new paint & fancy logos on it...and people think its brand new...but its actually some of it is pretty old.

Those pics actually took 5 full seasons of work...the Scag pic was January of 2001...the photo shoot pic was prob Oct of 2005...

And I guess the last big contributor to growth was I never really had much trouble with good help. I have always managed to have a few really good people around...and still do to this day. I have definitely dealt with my fair share of knuckleheads...but when the good ones come along I always do my best to make it worth their while working with me. Sure couldn't do it without those guys. Most of the guys working with me have been around for 4-6 years on average. :dancing:

[PR0 TURF]

BUT.....(haha, you know it had to come)...I cannot comprehend doing leaves the way you do it with that skidsteer! How is that efficient? You need to tow that thing around, it probably marks up driveways and streets, you have all that extra clean-up from it flinging leaves here and there... If it works, cool- I just don't see how a large vac is not more capable. I would take you up on your challenge!! :)

Hahahha...yeaa...I knew it was coming!! I must say it really does work well. The Bobcat is an all wheel steer...so there is no marking up of any driveways or streets. Yes...you will scrape some pavement occasionally with the bucket but we try to always do it in the street. We also usually use our bigger Freightliner to haul leaves...holds alot more than that F-550 in the picture.

As far as using a vac...my personal experience was that we would typically push/blow all of the leaves out to the street where the vac was...then we'd have 2-3 guys raking the leaves into the hose...breaking up the pile if it was too compressed/condensed (not loose enough) to be easily vac'd up...we'd deal with occasional clogs etc...stop the vac...clean out the hose...tube etc...uggggggh!!!

With the skid steer we have 2 guys...one in the machine...and one on a mower to help "push" the leaves into the bucket...they could do a GIGANTIC pile of leaves in a very short amount of time. Yes...we do deal with excess leaves getting flung around...but when there is too little to pick up with the Bobcat we blow em back on the lawn and suck em up with the mower. We also usually use a bigger snow bucket when doing leaves which holds even more leaves.

And if the leaves are even a little wet and you're trying to vac...FORGET IT...you all know what that's like!! Wet leaves don't stop a Bobcat...it actually makes it easier...less leaves flying around etc...

Everything has its Pros & Cons...but over time we have come to believe that this is the way to go...it may not be for everyone...but it works awesome for us and we have no plans on changing back anytime soon. :usflag:

[PR0 TURF]

what kind of hydroseeder do u have how do u like it
great work on all the machines nice and clean.

We have a Bowie 1100 with a Wisconsin engine. I have no complaints about it at all...love the machine...treats us great and we use it all the time!! We can spray approx 11k-13k s/ft per tank typically.

Thanks for the compliments on the equip!

[PR0 TURF]

Pro Turf- Verry nice! what size and make is the enclosed trailer in the 4th pic. thanks

That trailer is a PACE. 8ft x 22ft...I will have to get some pics of the inside...its a really nice setup in there. No complaints about the trailer...works great and looks even better

[Jason Rose]

I'm jealous of all that you have there, but not of the headaches that surely come with running a biz that large. I've been doing maintenance "officially" since '97 and I'm still one guy with a fancy truck and trailer... I just never have the desire to grow (if that's even possible around here) to the size you are.

Your shop and the irrigation trailer are to die for. I'm sure neither stay perfect like that 100% of the time though, lol. The racks and cabinets in the trailer are just genious. Just like the home center with the fittings screwed to the outside of the bin for fast ID.

If I get the opportunity to get a home with some acerage I'm definately getting a for real shop. Working out of a 20x24 garage and from under a carport can be done, but I spend half my time moving one thing to get the next around it.

If you ever want to get rid of one of your GOOD workers, and they want to live in Kansas where it's a little warmer and a lot windier, let me know! It's almost impossible to find ANYONE that will work around here!

[PR0 TURF]

I'm jealous of all that you have there, but not of the headaches that surely come with running a biz that large. I've been doing maintenance "officially" since '97 and I'm still one guy with a fancy truck and trailer... I just never have the desire to grow (if that's even possible around here) to the size you are.

Your shop and the irrigation trailer are to die for. I'm sure neither stay perfect like that 100% of the time though, lol. The racks and cabinets in the trailer are just genious. Just like the home center with the fittings screwed to the outside of the bin for fast ID.

If I get the opportunity to get a home with some acerage I'm definately getting a for real shop. Working out of a 20x24 garage and from under a carport can be done, but I spend half my time moving one thing to get the next around it.

If you ever want to get rid of one of your GOOD workers, and they want to live in Kansas where it's a little warmer and a lot windier, let me know! It's almost impossible to find ANYONE that will work around here!


Hahaha...yea you're right...there are plenty of headaches...but that comes with anything you do! That irrigation trailer works out awesome for us...there isn't a thing I would change about it. If I hear of anyone headed to Kansas I'll tell em to look you up! :walking:

[Tyler7692]

ProTurf, one more question:

Are you well versed in irrigation? How did you initially step into the irrigation sector of this business? Did you have to hire someone that already knew the stuff, or did you take some sort of class to learn it? Seems like it would be hard for me to grasp getting into something I don't know anything about, and it would be especially hard to price it correctly.

I am plotting to move my business to a more affluent area; WAY too many guys around here are happy to bring home $15 an hour mowing for themselves. Obviously, this makes it impossible for me to get out of the field and hire people.

[PR0 TURF]

ProTurf, one more question:

Are you well versed in irrigation? How did you initially step into the irrigation sector of this business? Did you have to hire someone that already knew the stuff, or did you take some sort of class to learn it? Seems like it would be hard for me to grasp getting into something I don't know anything about, and it would be especially hard to price it correctly.

We are very well versed in irrigation. We do not get into any golf courses or athletic fields etc but we mainly do residential installs & service. We also do a fair share of installs at new condos...townhouses...55+ communities etc. I got into it back in 2002...I had a good friend who had a landscape/irrig company & he let me work with him on the weekends to teach me the ropes...I learned everything hands on. Over the years I have taken a few classes here & there too...but I would have never been able to get into it relying only on the classes...that would've been much more difficult. :dizzy:

[wcoltharp]

Great looking company you have built over the years. I hope I'm not asking a question that has already been asked but how many crews do you run on a regular basis? I assume the company is mainly lawn/property maintenance based? I like to see companies who don't make hardscaping their main trade, but include all aspects into the company. Seems that you made the notorious jump from a small operation to a large sized operation very well. Have there been times throughout your career where you wish you had gone down a different avenue? Thanks for the great pics and info! I hope I have asked some worthwhile questions that meet the forums expectations :), no pun intended.

[PR0 TURF]

Great looking company you have built over the years. I hope I'm not asking a question that has already been asked but how many crews do you run on a regular basis? I assume the company is mainly lawn/property maintenance based? I like to see companies who don't make hardscaping their main trade, but include all aspects into the company. Seems that you made the notorious jump from a small operation to a large sized operation very well. Have there been times throughout your career where you wish you had gone down a different avenue? Thanks for the great pics and info! I hope I have asked some worthwhile questions that meet the forums expectations :), no pun intended.

At one point we had 15 employees...but things have dropped dramatically in the last two seasons due to the economy. We currently have 8...and that is strecthing it at times! We typically run 3 crews at most times during the year...we always have a few extra guys on in the spring time to help with the big rush. We are one of the few companies in our immediate area who are full service...so we feel like we have an advantage bidding on jobs at times due to not having to sub out any of the work in most cases etc. We are by no means the biggest in our area...there just aren't alot of guys out their who do everything. We do just about everything besides hardscapes & fertilizing.

There have definitely been times where I wish I was doing something else...but who hasn't?? I bet even Tom Brady has those days...on rare occasions! I still tell myself that I won't be doing this for the rest of my life...i have a few ideas in the works on other ventures...but nothing set in stone yet.

[nnj18]

So you have 11 mowers for just 125 accounts? Your accounts must be HUGE to keep 9 guys and 9 mowers working 5 days a week. (3 crews = 3 mowers & 3 workers from your previous statements) My buddy has almost 300 accounts, 6 mowers and 3 crews and the one crew only works 3 days a week on maintenance and 2 days landscaping.

Also you must have a POS vacuum if it can't suck up wet leaves good. I know from experience that the truck packs BETTER when the leaves are wet and I used a 27hp Kawasaki loader and it handled wet leaves fine.

If it works for you that’s great; but I don't see how you're making $$$$ with a setup that doesn't seem to be too efficient.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

So you have 11 mowers for just 125 accounts? You must be either charging a lot of money or loosing your azz
dude its not how many stops you make its what you make at each stop.

[Lawn Freak]

Everything looks good! Looking foward to more pictures!

[PR0 TURF]

So you have 11 mowers for just 125 accounts? Your accounts must be HUGE to keep 9 guys and 9 mowers working 5 days a week. (3 crews = 3 mowers & 3 workers from your previous statements) My buddy has almost 300 accounts, 6 mowers and 3 crews and the one crew only works 3 days a week on maintenance and 2 days landscaping.

Also you must have a POS vacuum if it can't suck up wet leaves good. I know from experience that the truck packs BETTER when the leaves are wet and I used a 27hp Kawasaki loader and it handled wet leaves fine.


Those pics were from 05 when we had around 15 employees...as I said things are scaled back due to slow times...we have since changed over to all Exmarks...and still have one Walker...but no more Scags...Dixie Chopper etc...we are plenty efficient with our 125 accounts...we concentrate more on landscape & irrigation installs these days then expanding our maintenance. We are at a comfortable level with maintenance.

As far as sucking up wet leaves...i apparently have never used a vac good enough to handle wet leaves...my experience with wet leaves is they just build up in the hose & tubes and stick to the machine and slow down the whole process dramatically. If your vac handles wet leaves better than dry leaves then hold onto that machine, it sounds awesome.

[PR0 TURF]

Dude its not how many stops you make its what you make at each stop.

Well put DustyCedar...you could have one account that is more work than 300 residentials...:clapping:

[PORTER 05]

pritty sweet set-up

gives me somthing to look forward to, dont think i want to get that big, but i would like to have one mow crew 2 guys cutting 100 lawns or so a week and another crew me included landscaping tree work all week....

getting close that that but maybe 2 or so more years till i can do that, its just me my brother another brother and 1 or 2 guys for know.....

worst problem i have is not finding good enough guys , my brothers a re great but i wish i could find more people like them but there arent....


how old are you know????

good job-

[birdturd9726]

do you own everything?
or is most of it out on paper?

[deere615]

Awesome equipment and pictures. That is a real nice shop

[PR0 TURF]

worst problem i have is not finding good enough guys , my brothers a re great but i wish i could find more people like them but there arent....


how old are you know????

good job-

Its not easy to find good guys...but trust me...they are out there! A good image helps attract good employees...a bad image attracts employees who man not be so desirable. You need to stand out from the crowd to attract employees who stand out from the rest...just my opinion...

Ohhh yea...and I'm 27 now...gettin old!! :cry:

[Jason Rose]

Ohhh yea...and I'm 27 now...gettin old!! :cry:

Don't cry to me about that, no sympathy here... I'm going to be 30 in less than a month!!! Not real thrilled :dizzy:

[STIHL GUY]

wow its pretty cool how much youve grown in such little time

[AmsoilPower]

I WANT YOUR SHOP!!!!! A big ole' Amsoil banner would look good next to the Summit banner:rolleyes:

Great lookin biz you have.

[SUREURITE LAWN CARE]

Pro Turf

Nice shop, nice pic's also, thanks for sharing . I do have one question. The international with the plow. If you don't mind me asking , (A) how much did it cost to set it up like that. (B) What type of tires did you put on the rear, and how much weight did you put inside the dump to help kept traction. (C) did you have any problems pushing the snow.

I am buying a 99 international low profile dump in 2 weeks, and I ask the salemans if it were posssible, he said yes. That it would cost around 4500.00 dollars.

Thinking about getting into snow removal next year, just seeing if it's worth it, we don't get to much snow around here. But some HOA always ask me about snow removal. I would like to say yes I do that also. Any insight would be helpful, THANKS.

[PR0 TURF]

Nice shop, nice pic's also, thanks for sharing . I do have one question. The international with the plow. If you don't mind me asking , (A) how much did it cost to set it up like that. (B) What type of tires did you put on the rear, and how much weight did you put inside the dump to help kept traction. (C) did you have any problems pushing the snow.

Thanks for the compliments!! As far as the plow setup...it is a 10ft Fisher M/C Minute Mount 2 plow...the whole set up cost $6,000 to put on the truck back in 2005. The tires are the stock tires on the rear...nothing fancy. We usually will drop in a few yards of sand for some extra weight in the body. The truck never has much trouble pushing snow. It plows for the Mass Highway...they're paying $108/hr this year for trucks this size with a 10ft power angle plow. This past weekend when the snow was crazy the truck got 45 hours from Friday-Sunday...wish it got that every week!! The truck is probably a bit big to use on most of our other accounts...but I would definitely recommend getting a plow on your new rig and putting out somewhere...should treat you well!!! payup

[punt66]

Thanks for the compliments!! As far as the plow setup...it is a 10ft Fisher M/C Minute Mount 2 plow...the whole set up cost $6,000 to put on the truck back in 2005. The tires are the stock tires on the rear...nothing fancy. We usually will drop in a few yards of sand for some extra weight in the body. The truck never has much trouble pushing snow. It plows for the Mass Highway...they're paying $108/hr this year for trucks this size with a 10ft power angle plow. This past weekend when the snow was crazy the truck got 45 hours from Friday-Sunday...wish it got that every week!! The truck is probably a bit big to use on most of our other accounts...but I would definitely recommend getting a plow on your new rig and putting out somewhere...should treat you well!!! payup

I used to get $125 hr for my single axles plowing for a local municipality. I never understood why they pay so cheap. I do better on residentials with pickups. But its better to keep the trucks and employees busy then have the trucks sit for a couple months.

[PR0 TURF]

Here are a few more to throw into the mix....

[Junior M]

What do yall trench the irrigation in with? the ditch witch, or walk behind bobcat?

[PR0 TURF]

Before & After...

This was a case of trying to burn the candle at both ends...working way too many hours...not enough sleep...i dozed off driving home one day and wacked a tree about a mile from my house...was a real wake up call!!

:hammerhead:

[PR0 TURF]

What do yall trench the irrigation in with? the ditch witch, or walk behind bobcat?

Just our DitchWitch...I've never used the mini bobcat for it...but hear it's possible...just never seen one in action! We use the mini for misc stuff...doing stone under decks...going places too tight for a full sized Bobcat. It doesn't get a ton of use...but is handy to have around...

[Junior M]

Just our DitchWitch...I've never used the mini bobcat for it...but hear it's possible...just never seen one in action! We use the mini for misc stuff...doing stone under decks...going places too tight for a full sized Bobcat. It doesn't get a ton of use...but is handy to have around...
Yeah, its possible, we do it with a full size bobcat :weightlifter: Is the ditch witch just a vibratory plow?

That sucks about your truck but atleast you were okay..

[PR0 TURF]

Yeah, its possible, we do it with a full size bobcat :weightlifter: Is the ditch witch just a vibratory plow?

That sucks about your truck but atleast you were okay..

Yeaa...just a vibratory plow...works great for what we do...i gotta see a bobcat in action doing that one day!!

[AI Inc]

Do you have to supply health ins to your employees , or are you under the cap of manhours worked?

[Junior M]

Yeaa...just a vibratory plow...works great for what we do...i gotta see a bobcat in action doing that one day!!
Never seen a vibratory plow used for anything other than phone, cable and gas.. Next time we do an irrigation, if we use a bobcat with trencher, I'll get some pic's and video for ya. A trencher is a bitc# to use though, to much shoveling. If it was my choice we'd just use a mini excavator...

[PORTER 05]

wow was that truck wrecked or could you fix it...

my freind has a mack tri-axle he gets $130 HR for state made $6,000 this week not including his 2 other trucks that plow city- not sanding JUST PLOWING, imagine what you could have made if you had a sander WOW!

[PR0 TURF]

Do you have to supply health ins to your employees , or are you under the cap of manhours worked?

We offer health insurance, vacation/sick days etc...I don't think alot of our guys would still be with us if we didn't. Gotta do what ya gotta do...

[PR0 TURF]

wow was that truck wrecked or could you fix it...

Nahh the truck wasn't totalled...the air bags didn't even go off!!

[LawnBoy89]

Hey proturf you have an incredible set up you should really be proud as I'm sure you are!

For your guys information...in CT private contracters make $175 an hour plowing for the DOT. I am not sure if this includes sand as well. They are also looking for more trucks to hire as they are understaffed right now.

[PerfectEarth]

Amazing looking trucks! Do you DOT numbers on those trucks? Do you or any of your guys have a CDL?

[nnj18]

Here we go :rolleyes: :hammerhead:

[Jason Rose]

Here we go :rolleyes: :hammerhead:

My thoughts exactly... (Towards the post above yours)


Ouch! I can't believe the airbags didn't go off in that wreck! I guess it wasn't nearly the impact that it looks. Couldn't have hit it more centered if you tried :dizzy:

[Jason Rose]

Never seen a vibratory plow used for anything other than phone, cable and gas.. Next time we do an irrigation, if we use a bobcat with trencher, I'll get some pic's and video for ya. A trencher is a bitc# to use though, to much shoveling. If it was my choice we'd just use a mini excavator...

Around here it's what every guy uses (plow), unless he's small/just starting, then just a trencher works. You really need a trencher and a plow to do most of them, but this is also PVC country. Nothing like 3 pipes in one trench...

[Junior M]

Around here it's what every guy uses (plow), unless he's small/just starting, then just a trencher works. You really need a trencher and a plow to do most of them, but this is also PVC country. Nothing like 3 pipes in one trench...
We had 5 pieces of 1in in one ditch on our last one, that was fun! :rolleyes:

I've never seen a vibratory plow used here, only reason we use a trackhoe sometimes is because we can do everything with a trackhoe with out touching a shovel, but our last one needed to be done quick and there was some grading involved so we had to have a bobcat.

[PerfectEarth]

Hey it's a simple question about his business- not a hijack. He really seems to have his stuff together! Just curious.

[lil_cote_93]

One of the nicest set ups on this site
Congratulations on your success

[6ofus]

Pro-Turf: Can you post some pics of the inside of the trailer (Pace). I am looking to buy one next month. Thanks, I look on this site every now and then and your business is class act.

[PR0 TURF]

Amazing looking trucks! Do you DOT numbers on those trucks? Do you or any of your guys have a CDL?

We are definitely not DOT compliant and it is constantly on my mind! That is on the top of my priorities list for this off-season. They are pretty lax in our area as far as DOT compliancy...so that is one thing that keeps getting pushed off to the backburner with me. I am well aware of the issues...but hopefully they won't be issues much longer with us.

Two of our guys have CDL...and most, but not all, have their medical cards. We do our best to keep up on all trailer lights, properly chaining down equip, safety chains, fire extinguishers...the list goes on & on...but I'm the first to admit I have some work to do in that department before I get whacked with some hefty fines! :nono::nono:

[PR0 TURF]

Pro-Turf: Can you post some pics of the inside of the trailer (Pace). I am looking to buy one next month. Thanks, I look on this site every now and then and your business is class act.

No problem...gimme a few days but i'll do it...I gotta go out & shovel the snow off the roof of it anways!!!! :usflag:

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some shop pics of our blade grinding area & our maintenance board...
:dancing:

[PerfectEarth]

That's cool...I appreciate your honesty about the compliance stuff! You've got some pretty large trucks, no doubt. Shocking they have not found you through DMV / registration records...!

I can't believe that blade sharpening area!!!?! Incredible. Your guys have no excuse- that's the way it should be.

[SUREURITE LAWN CARE]

Thanks, for all the feed back, i think i will just do that,and put the snow plow on.

[Junior M]

No trailers on the maintenance board, Pro turf??

[deere615]

Thats a very nice Dmax, looks like an expensive wreck though

[PR0 TURF]

No trailers on the maintenance board, Pro turf??

Hahaha...goood eye!!! We really don't do all that much to the trailers during the season...we bring em in during the winter to touch up some paint...repack the bearings usually...all that basic stuff...not too much scheduled maint on em though...

I gotta get that board updated...add some new stuff...remove some old stuff...maybe even add a few trailers in there! :laugh:

[Junior M]

Hahaha...goood eye!!! We really don't do all that much to the trailers during the season...we bring em in during the winter to touch up some paint...repack the bearings usually...all that basic stuff...not too much scheduled maint on em though...

I gotta get that board updated...add some new stuff...remove some old stuff...maybe even add a few trailers in there! :laugh:
And I dont even have my contacts in!! :laugh:

I was just curious because I know some people do maintenance and things like that to there trailers...

[deere615]

That maintenance board is a great idea!

[Jason Rose]

Just drooling over the blade station. That's slick as hell!

One things for sure, if you guys take as much care of your customers as you do for your business it's no wonder you have the money to afford everything you have. You don't skimp or cut corners anywhere that I can see! I love the logos on EVERYTHING. I've never even thought to spend the money on things like that, but in the end you end up with an extremely professional apperance that everyone can identify no matter where they look.

[Jerry Lee]

WOW!!! i wish we were half that organized when we did irigation. we usually keep everything in there boxes that we throw in the bed. we have a few glorafied tackle boxes to separate heads. but no enclosed trailer.

[Tyler7692]

Just drooling over the blade station. That's slick as hell!

I love the logos on EVERYTHING. I've never even thought to spend the money on things like that, but in the end you end up with an extremely professional apperance that everyone can identify no matter where they look.

Well duh. Its called building a brand. I have logos on EVERYTHING. All trucks, trailers, mowers, ect...

[Jason Rose]

Well duh. Its called building a brand. I have logos on EVERYTHING. All trucks, trailers, mowers, ect...

I guess I need to get a good vinal graphics guy... The one I had sold out and the new guy never bothered to get back with me after I made 2 attempts to get some work done. I need new lettering on my new truck again but think I'm going to have to find a new guy. Get a stack of printed vinal ones made up so I could stick them on everything on my own. That's the cool thing about the new printed vinal, no layering to deal with. I can do a sticker, lol.

[PR0 TURF]

Just drooling over the blade station. That's slick as hell!

One things for sure, if you guys take as much care of your customers as you do for your business it's no wonder you have the money to afford everything you have. You don't skimp or cut corners anywhere that I can see! I love the logos on EVERYTHING. I've never even thought to spend the money on things like that, but in the end you end up with an extremely professional apperance that everyone can identify no matter where they look.

Thanks man!! Yea...that blade station works out well...it took a few years to get it perfected but we just about have all the bases covered now. We do our best to not skimp or cut corners when we can. There is a big company in our area that has a beautiful logo and puts it on anything & everything...and I've always admired them for that...so that's where I got the motivation to do it. We get a ton of compliments from people on that...saying we're in a league of our own etc...its def an investment but pays off overtime for sure.

[syzer]

What size is that shop? Very nice!

[freshprince94]

Awesome setup!! Love the eXmarks.

[Dunlaps LawnCare]

verry nice looking setup

[RedMax Man]

Hey Pro-Turf! Nice to see the locals. Congrats on the Hannafords plowing account. Poor guys got the Freightliner deep in mud the other day over on Primrose hill.

I'm sure you've seen us around:)

To anyone who's skeptical these guys at Pro-Turf have an awesome reputation among customers and other landscapers. Even my own clients have said very nice things bout Pro-Turf. Top notch opperation!

I bet the co. your referring to with the logos on everything also is Greener. Many of the biggest companies around here are owned by the younger guys.

[nnj18]

I bet the co. your referring to with the logos on everything also is Greener. Many of the biggest companies around here are owned by the younger guys.

thats pretty intersting and cool.....

[RedMax Man]

thats pretty intersting and cool.....

When i say younger i mean between the ages of 20 and 35.

[nnj18]

When i say younger i mean between the ages of 20 and 35.

that’s still young to have such a large company....I know a few guys that would fit in that category but not many...

one of the largest lco’s here is owned by a woman….

[mattfromNY]

Why NH plates on the truck? Just curious. Not that anyone could tell after the center-punch. LOL.
Operation is definately top notch, everything I've seen and read so far looks very professional. Keep up the great work.

[PR0 TURF]

What size is that shop? Very nice!

42x60 with 18ft tall ceilings...built by Morton Buildings...awesome company to deal with...no hidden suprises...perfect size for us at this point...

[MortonLawn]

42x60 with 18ft tall ceilings...built by Morton Buildings...awesome company to deal with...no hidden suprises...perfect size for us at this point...

Morton buildings huh?? I'm diggin the name of that company :waving:

[PR0 TURF]

Hey Pro-Turf! Nice to see the locals. Congrats on the Hannafords plowing account. Poor guys got the Freightliner deep in mud the other day over on Primrose hill.

I'm sure you've seen us around:)

To anyone who's skeptical these guys at Pro-Turf have an awesome reputation among customers and other landscapers. Even my own clients have said very nice things bout Pro-Turf. Top notch opperation!

I bet the co. your referring to with the logos on everything also is Greener. Many of the biggest companies around here are owned by the younger guys.

Hey there...thanks for the kudos on Hannaford! Yea...Primrose gets to be a real mud bowl after we get some heavy rains...uggghhhhh...thats not the first time!

Thanks for all the compliments on running a tight operation...we try our hardest! You seem to have the ball rolling quite well yourself...keep it up!

Greener & GroundHog up in Londonderry do an awesome job with lettering everything...i love seeing that in a company!

[PR0 TURF]

Why NH plates on the truck? Just curious. Not that anyone could tell after the center-punch. LOL.
Operation is definately top notch, everything I've seen and read so far looks very professional. Keep up the great work.

Thanks for the kudos!! Goood eye on the plates...not many people pick up on that. When I started out I was working out of my mom's house in Dracut...but around 2003 I moved to the next town over...which is Pelham NH...so I would've had to changed my phone number...different exchange for MA & NH...and change alot of the lettering on our trucks & trailers...letterhead...shirts etc...so it was easier just to stick with the "Dracut MA" status that we had already been working with...even though we are 5 min up the road in NH...that's pretty much it...nothing sneaky hahaha

[Jerry Lee]

Morton buildings huh?? I'm diggin the name of that company :waving:

lol. morton buildings r very well constructed. and the name is reveered in the shop building industry. or any building they make with there name on it. but you will pay quite a bit more for a morton building than competition, but you get a very high quality building.

[punt66]

So i guess its just a coincidence that NH doesnt have income tax and MA does? hahha

[AI Inc]

NH does have a business income tax, just no personal income tax. And no sales tax when one registers a vehicle.

[PlatinumLandCon]

NH does have a business income tax, just no personal income tax. And no sales tax when one registers a vehicle.

Wow....

Vehicle sales tax....13%
Personal income tax... 21%-40% in Ontario

[PR0 TURF]

Vehicle sales tax....13%
Personal income tax... 21%-40% in Ontario

DAAAAAMN!!!! :usflag:

[topdog]

congrats pro turf on running a very clean & organized business.
this was my 5th year in business, & first at running two crews. i totally agree with you good employees are the key!
appreciate you sharing the insight on how you run your operation.

[PR0 TURF]

congrats pro turf on running a very clean & organized business.
this was my 5th year in business, & first at running two crews. i totally agree with you good employees are the key!
appreciate you sharing the insight on how you run your operation.

You can't go anywhere with bad employees...they are a direct reflection of you and your operation. Thanks for the kudos on everything...keep up the good work yourself TopDog!

Any other questions please ask...I love talking about this stuff...:dancing:

[RedMax Man]

Hey there...thanks for the kudos on Hannaford! Yea...Primrose gets to be a real mud bowl after we get some heavy rains...uggghhhhh...thats not the first time!

Thanks for all the compliments on running a tight operation...we try our hardest! You seem to have the ball rolling quite well yourself...keep it up!

Greener & GroundHog up in Londonderry do an awesome job with lettering everything...i love seeing that in a company!

I got outta that place once i got a shop and 2 new dump sites in Dracut that are much better. Dave a nice guy though no offence to him. I was there a couple weeks ago dumping for a buddy when the the "big white monster" rolled in and sunk hahaha.

My goal is to make friends with the competition not enemies even though we're in the same line of work. Obviously there are the lowballer jerks who are just out to cause trouble but with the economy not so hot it helps to work as a team and get along so you dont scare away the customers and give your industry a bad reputation.

I'm workn to keep the quality and reputation at the top and not kill the price margins just to get the job. Puts the bigger guys like you outta business when the rookies come in and go to town like making caos with no knowledge on anything.


You guys must have a blast plown Uncle Bob's hahaha its a maze.

Are you still voted best in the Merrimac Valley?

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some more pics of our hydroseeder...right when we bought it...then after we went thru it...cleaned it up...and got it ready to roll...the pics don't seem to be of the best quality...but you get the idea...:cool2:

[PR0 TURF]

We all have bad days...snapped the axle in our dumptruck with the leafbox on it back in the day...:cry::hammerhead::dizzy:

[PR0 TURF]

Few more pics from back in the day...one when I was about 15 yrs old...:laugh:

[PR0 TURF]

This is what we usually send to our customers for a Christmas card...I don't have any copies of the actual card...just a few of the pics we have used over the years...ho ho ho

[PR0 TURF]

Our Bobcat with the snowblower...utility body & irrigation trailer...& Walker with the Buffalo Turbine blower for doing cleanups

[kreft]

sweet pic's!! keep em' comin'!

[PR0 TURF]

Here's a few pics of our shop construction...:usflag:

[PR0 TURF]

sweet pic's!! keep em' comin'!

Thanks man!!! That's all I have for tonight...but I'll get some more soon! Glad you like em...:drinkup:

[PR0 TURF]

I got outta that place once i got a shop and 2 new dump sites in Dracut that are much better. Dave a nice guy though no offence to him. I was there a couple weeks ago dumping for a buddy when the the "big white monster" rolled in and sunk hahaha.

My goal is to make friends with the competition not enemies even though we're in the same line of work. Obviously there are the lowballer jerks who are just out to cause trouble but with the economy not so hot it helps to work as a team and get along so you dont scare away the customers and give your industry a bad reputation.

I'm workn to keep the quality and reputation at the top and not kill the price margins just to get the job. Puts the bigger guys like you outta business when the rookies come in and go to town like making caos with no knowledge on anything.


You guys must have a blast plown Uncle Bob's hahaha its a maze.

Are you still voted best in the Merrimac Valley?

Yea...that's a good outlook on the competition...we don't really get too involved with it either...there is plenty of work for everyone to go around. People get what they pay for...same with any industry. We dont have any bad blood with anyone in the area...we just keep our heads down & keep on truckin. I don't get too upset with lowballers...everyone has to start & learn somewhere...I was a lowballer back in the day...its not easy getting started...sometimes ya make bad decisions...but you learn in the end the lowballing won't get ya anywhere fast.

Uncle Bob's has gotta be one of the worst places ever to plow!!!!!! It is so super tight in there...no place to put the snow...but it makes you appreciate the better accounts when you are lucky enough to get them!

The paper that was doing the Best of thing stopped doing it...there's one up in Windham that does it now...we took third in that this year...can't complain about that

[P.Services]

pro-turf, im heading out the door so i dont have a chance to read this whole thread. as soon as i get back i will read it all. very nice machines. but was it you or one of your workers that was posting pictures of your stuff awhile ago. if i remember right he said he was just a new employee. are you aware of that?

[deere615]

Thats alot of grass, in that dump. How did you get all that grass off the street?? Shovel it??

[RedMax Man]

cant go more then 10mph at most thru uncle bobs.

guess you werent loyal to the weekly cut rule back when you were 15. little tall eh haha.


got any pics of the 08 Ford dump?


Picasso - that member who was posting pics of Pro-Turf on here is a former employee of his and actually lives down the street from me. I know him personally.

[kreft]

what ever happened to the employee? Working for you now micha?

[RedMax Man]

what ever happened to the employee? Working for you now micha?

hahaha yeah i'm paying him more, nah just kidding. although he did work on at least one big job this summer when i needed an extra guy.

He worked at a garden center and for another landscaper in town and few other places. still around. I know at one point he went back to Pro-Turf but all the positions were filled so he moved on to another co. He learned alot with those guys and still wears there shirts. More often than not when he's talkn about something he says "I learned from Pro-Turf".

[Lawn Freak]

I really like your pictures. So is that GMC back on the road now? That looks like a bad wreck. I woulda been saying some bad things if that was my axle that snapped

[T.Brandon]

How much you paid for that ford dump, Looks like a f-350

[supercuts]

Few more pics from back in the day...one when I was about 15 yrs old...:laugh:

hey, in this series of pics at 15, your in the back of your mason dump??? im assuming that one was more recent? did you start the business from scratch or buy into it??

thanks for being so open and honest about everything, doesnt seem like many on here are. you certainly seem to have all your ducks in a row and look great. im impressed. i do have a few questions and hope im not too forward, if you dont want to anwer any so be it:

1. how much are you paying employees with benefits?

2. how much is your medical plan for them(any and all info would be great)

3. how much was that garage to put up?

4. how much does each crew gross a day? a week?

ive just moved to a bigger beater setup, house with 2 shops on 7 acres (see New House/Garage/Shop pics in this forum) im trying to start my 2nd crew this year in an effort to expand. youve been so open i hope you dont mind me picking at your brain a bit. you seem like exactly the type of person i want to chat with. I completely agree with you to stick to what your good at. ive never really thought about getting into irrigation but many friends have tried to get me into hardscapes. but after comparing our gross numbers, im right their with them, maybe higher, and i dont have all the supplies to pay for or the extra equiptment ( some do maintenance and have the same mowers etc too). i dont sub out, i hand off work i dont perform. many have said i should sub it out, but work gets thrown back to me all the time. i think its easier and more honest and tell my customers that. i pass off all fert, heavy tree work, hardscapes, very large landscaping garding jobs do to a small crew. im sure ill think of some more questions and would love to shoot them off of you. thanks for any and all advice.

[PR0 TURF]

very nice machines. but was it you or one of your workers that was posting pictures of your stuff awhile ago. if i remember right he said he was just a new employee. are you aware of that?
I was not aware of that...but I do know who it was...he is a really good kid. I'm not too worried about it...but if you ever find it pull the thread back up...I'd love to see the pics... :cool2:

[PR0 TURF]

Thats alot of grass, in that dump. How did you get all that grass off the street?? Shovel it??

Uggggh...yea...we usually shoveled it into the truck...or dumped it into a barrel and heaved it over the side...either way it was miserable. That's one thing I don't miss about the Walkers.

[PR0 TURF]

cant go more then 10mph at most thru uncle bobs.

guess you werent loyal to the weekly cut rule back when you were 15. little tall eh haha.

got any pics of the 08 Ford dump?
personally.

For anyone who is wonering what Uncle Bob's is...it is a Self-Storage facility that we plow...and it is a reallllly tight one!!!!!!

No pics of the 08 dump yet...I'll get on that this week once we get back to work...I love that truck! That's what I've been plowing in the last storm or two.

[PR0 TURF]

He worked at a garden center and for another landscaper in town and few other places. still around. I know at one point he went back to Pro-Turf but all the positions were filled so he moved on to another co. He learned alot with those guys and still wears there shirts. More often than not when he's talkn about something he says "I learned from Pro-Turf".

He is an awesome kid...If I had the work for him I'd definitely bring him back...always liked him alot.

[PR0 TURF]

I really like your pictures. So is that GMC back on the road now? That looks like a bad wreck. I woulda been saying some bad things if that was my axle that snapped

Yea...that GMC wasn't as bad as it may look...there was no frame damage...air bags never went off...it was a pretty clean hit dead center. It's still on the road...my daily driver!

[PR0 TURF]

How much you paid for that ford dump, Looks like a f-350

The Ford dump that's towing the hydroseeder is a 2003 F-550. We bought it back in 03...it was in the high 30's/low 40's i believe. Has been a decent truck over the years. We are gonna be selling it this spring...if all goes as planned.

[PR0 TURF]

hey, in this series of pics at 15, your in the back of your mason dump??? im assuming that one was more recent? did you start the business from scratch or buy into it??

thanks for being so open and honest about everything, doesnt seem like many on here are. you certainly seem to have all your ducks in a row and look great. im impressed. i do have a few questions and hope im not too forward, if you dont want to anwer any so be it:

1. how much are you paying employees with benefits?

2. how much is your medical plan for them(any and all info would be great)

3. how much was that garage to put up?

4. how much does each crew gross a day? a week?


Hahaha...no I wasn't 15 in that pic on top of the dump...I was prob about 22. I was 15 in that pic where i was real skinny using that 21" mower.

Started the business from scratch...never worked for another landscape company. I did have one good friend who was in the business who would help me out by letting me pick his brain which was extremely valubale.

Our employees make anywhere from $11/hr-low $20's/hr.

As far as the medical plan...call me crazy but I honestly do not know much info on that. My secretary takes care of all of that. It's definitely not the best plan out there by any means...but its a plan...and that's better than going empty handed. If I had to guess it is prob in the $250 range per employee...we pay 50% of that.

The garage all said & done...was in the $125k-$150k range...that includes the excavation...the general construction...and getting the inside all finished off...with the mezzanine, office, electrical, truck lift, all the concrete, insulation etc etc. It was built in early 2004. We had the land...so that is not factored into the price. We also did different portions of the work ourselves to save some $$.

As far as what the crews gross...its all different depending upon what type of work they're doing. The maintenance crews are a little more predictable than say the construction crew etc. We don't have one crew that is designated to say "irrigation work" every single day...we just don't have enough of that one type of work to keep a crew going full time. Our crews are always doing something different day to day...just doing whatever the economy is allowing us to do.

Keep the questions coming...that's what these boards are all about...

[supercuts]

ok, whats your maintenance crew grossing a week? how many guys are in a crew? im looking for a comparison, we do about $4k a week with a 2 man crew, id like to get a 2nd crew going this year and wondering how much productivity is lost when im not there. thanks again

[joelbouch]

i must say nice job on the shop its perfect i think very organzied and all do you have one guy in there every day fixing things or what

[nnj18]

Here are some questions I have:

When you were younger say around 18-20 did you do strictly lawn maintenance?
Are you only servicing full maintenance accounts, or will you take on the mow and go?
Are you strictly commercial as far as maintenance is concerned?
What have you found to be the best advertising methods?
About how many accounts did you service when you were 18-20?
How soon did you get your first crew running?

[AintNoFun]

one of the largest lco’s here is owned by a woman….

just curious whose that?

[supercuts]

one other question, how much did that hydroseeder set you back?

[joelbouch]

hey i wana know how does the a300 bobcat work for ya enough power or is it weak

[ARP]

Awesome shop Pro-Turf! Like how you maintain your equipment as well- definintely makes your operation stand out from the others. Please check your PMs.

[RedMax Man]

For anyone who is wonering what Uncle Bob's is...it is a Self-Storage facility that we plow...and it is a reallllly tight one!!!!!!

No pics of the 08 dump yet...I'll get on that this week once we get back to work...I love that truck! That's what I've been plowing in the last storm or two.

Next time i see you guys down there when i'm driving by to do some plowing accounts i'll get a few pics. A maze describes it best.
He is an awesome kid...If I had the work for him I'd definitely bring him back...always liked him alot.

I wanted him this past spring but got intouch with him a week after he got signed up with Boumil. Made him a nice offer but he didn't budge. he wasn't really interested in workn for a young guy. He lasted a few months with Boumil but got out basically because they're very particular and he couldn't handle it hahaha, more or less. He did work on a couple landscape renovations with me.

so we might have to barter in the spring:laugh:

He's loyal to you and wears your hoodies alot.

[nnj18]

just curious whose that?

Greenscapes I believe is their name.

[RedMax Man]

I was not aware of that...but I do know who it was...he is a really good kid. I'm not too worried about it...but if you ever find it pull the thread back up...I'd love to see the pics... :cool2:
Here's the other thread bout you...

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=178714

[nnj18]

I like how he animated the strobes.....pretty cool.

[mrusk]

Greenscapes I believe is their name.

That is correct.

[RedMax Man]

I like how he animated the strobes.....pretty cool.

To bad you can't see the strobes on the truck first hand. Pretty spiffy to say the least. its unique.

[AintNoFun]

Greenscapes I believe is their name.

gotcha, never heard of them though..

[RedMax Man]

Hey i caught you candid plowing across the street from me in the '08. Hope you don't mind:waving:

[PR0 TURF]

i must say nice job on the shop its perfect i think very organzied and all do you have one guy in there every day fixing things or what

Thanks! We try our best to stay organized...its a constant struggle but its worth it. We do not have a dedicated full time mechanic...we just don't have enough equipment yet to need one. A few of the guys at work are pretty mechanically inclined...so we take care of as much of the maintenance & repairs that we can...and whatever else gets sent out to our local mechanic.

[joelbouch]

Thanks! We try our best to stay organized...its a constant struggle but its worth it. We do not have a dedicated full time mechanic...we just don't have enough equipment yet to need one. A few of the guys at work are pretty mechanically inclined...so we take care of as much of the maintenance & repairs that we can...and whatever else gets sent out to our local mechanic.

ya i hear ya working with mystic know so ill pretty much fix everything i just had to rebuild a fisher plow pump that wasnt even a year old wasnt paying 95 an hr to a company when the warranty was only parts

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some questions I have:

When you were younger say around 18-20 did you do strictly lawn maintenance?
Are you only servicing full maintenance accounts, or will you take on the mow and go?
Are you strictly commercial as far as maintenance is concerned?
What have you found to be the best advertising methods?
About how many accounts did you service when you were 18-20?
How soon did you get your first crew running?

When I was 18-20 all I had was approx 15 lawns I did with my grandmothers Craftsman tractor & I worked at a pizza shop & had a paper route too. Most of those lawns were cut once every 2-3 weeks. I didn't buy my first commercial mower (Scag 48" hydro w/b) until I was just about 21.

Nowadays 75% of our accounts are full maintenance. We still take on the mow & gos also.

We have a mix of both commercial & residential.

Advertising...I have tried a little bit of everything over the years...I could talk about this forever i feel. The best thing I ever did was right off the bat of starting my business I told myself I was going to letter EVERYTHING...from trucks, trailers, mowers, equipment, tools, even our welder in our shop is lettered. We have a nice logo...and i put that thing EVERYWHERE. People are always saying...i see your stuff all over the place...blah blah blah...all of our trucks & trailers & equipment are the same color. If we buy a used truck and its not white...it goes right in to be painted...that has def paid off over the years. Besides that we have a pretty good website...we get alot of calls from people finding us online...google etc. Job signs always worked well also...leaving one in a customers yard for a week or so after a job. The Yellow Pages even had a decent return for us when we got started, we also had the largest ad under the "Landscape" heading...i dont think the results would be so good if it was a small ad lost in the mix with all the others. We have done the local papers...had mixed results. Put flyers out on mailboxes when I first started (although that is frowned upon) and had awesome results. One of the few things that I was not pleased with was the coupon mailing things...super coups or something? I had much higher hopes with that...and was not too pleased. I also never had much luck with the "other phonebooks"...such as Talking phonebook, YellowBook, LocalTel...we had our best luck in phonebook advertising with the Verizon Yellow pages...not sure if that is also in your area?

My first crew was running when I was prob 22 or 23?...not exactly sure. That was slowly was eased into. I was working with the guys and would start leaving early certain days to go do estimates etc...and the guys would finish up the day etc...and as I gained trust in them I gave them more responsibilities until they were fully on their own.

[PR0 TURF]

one other question, how much did that hydroseeder set you back?

I believe that machine was $11,000. We bought it used obviously. Worth every penny. I would not want to go any smaller than that.

[PR0 TURF]

hey i wana know how does the a300 bobcat work for ya enough power or is it weak

The A300 is totally awesome. We love the machine...its a beast. The all wheel steer is the best part. You can drive right over a lawn into the backyard etc with very minimal damage...no turf is ripped up at all. I would buy another one in a heartbeat. We got about 1100 hours out of the last set of tires on the machine too...can't beat that! It doesn't scuff up pavement...very smooooooth machine! :cool2:

[joelbouch]

The A300 is totally awesome. We love the machine...its a beast. The all wheel steer is the best part. You can drive right over a lawn into the backyard etc with very minimal damage...no turf is ripped up at all. I would buy another one in a heartbeat. We got about 1100 hours out of the last set of tires on the machine too...can't beat that! It doesn't scuff up pavement...very smooooooth machine! :cool2:

see thats what i thought and thought about but i heard they suck and all isnt it the same size as a s300 and all you need to do is flip a switch and it goes to skisdsterr steering again what type of control you got though

[Junior M]

see thats what i thought and thought about but i heard they suck and all isnt it the same size as a s300 and all you need to do is flip a switch and it goes to skisdsterr steering again what type of control you got though
Yeah, Joel its an S300 with joysticks and it steers, they only come in H-pattern controls(If I understand correctly), and yeah if you flip a switch your right back to the regular skid...

[markahurley]

why are there some pictures with the shop on a hill by a field, and others where the shop is right behind a house by a pool? more than one shop? sorry--i just couldn't figure it out. :)

[joelbouch]

Yeah, Joel its an S300 with joysticks and it steers, they only come in H-pattern controls(If I understand correctly), and yeah if you flip a switch your right back to the regular skid...


ya i just didnt know the control aspect i wana test drive one but people say they suck is idk i think its a great tool to have

[Junior M]

ya i just didnt know the control aspect i wana test drive one but people say they suck is idk i think its a great tool to have
I've never heard anyone say that about the A300, I've heard bad about the S300, and I dont like the T300 for multiple reasons..

[joelbouch]

I've never heard anyone say that about the A300, I've heard bad about the S300, and I dont like the T300 for multiple reasons..

ya hmm anyone played with one in the snow

[Junior M]

ya hmm anyone played with one in the snow
There's a guy over in the Heavy equipment and Paving forum here on LS has a video of using his T300 in the snow, as far as the A300 I dont know, Pro Turf might use his..

[joelbouch]

am hopeing he can and shed some insight but i would buy a tracked unit if i wasnt in mud all day if am doing differnt jobs a day then whay spend the extra dough

[nnj18]

Not sure if the was mentioned but a tracked machine for plowing isn't that great. Because of just low PSI it will slide around a lot....

[Junior M]

Not sure if the was mentioned but a tracked machine for plowing isn't that great. Because of just low PSI it will slide around a lot....
Thats not always true, a CAT or ASV (MTL) like Ronnie has (Bobcat Ron) is great for moving snow, but a traditional track machine (CTL) like a T300 isnt that great, you can get I believe its bridgestone tracks that are marketed as snow tracks, I've heard they are a lil better, but still not as good as the tracks on the CAT's and ASV's...

[PR0 TURF]

Here's the other thread bout you...

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=178714

Thanks for diggin that up...I had a blast reading that!!! :clapping:

[PR0 TURF]

see thats what i thought and thought about but i heard they suck and all isnt it the same size as a s300 and all you need to do is flip a switch and it goes to skisdsterr steering again what type of control you got though

Yea...same exact size at the S300. Yes...you can flip a switch to go from skid to all wheel steer...its NIIIIICE!!! We have joystick controls...one joystick controls all bucket functions...the other controls the machine movement. No foot controls at all...except a foot throttle/pedal which is a pleasure to have.

[PR0 TURF]

why are there some pictures with the shop on a hill by a field, and others where the shop is right behind a house by a pool? more than one shop? sorry--i just couldn't figure it out. :)

Only one shop...the one with the hill and the field has the house photoshopped out of the pic. The house & pool are all legit...

[PR0 TURF]

There's a guy over in the Heavy equipment and Paving forum here on LS has a video of using his T300 in the snow, as far as the A300 I dont know, Pro Turf might use his..

We used to use our A300 to do driveways at a retirment community with a snowblower on the front. Worked really well...threw snow approx 30ft. We also had the skid steer up at a Lowe's with an 8ft pusher on it...worked fine for that too. This year we just have the machine to load salt...we are not using it to plow anymore...no particular reason...we just don't need it anywhere. It has always been decent in the snow...no complaints. We still use it for snow removal at certain places.

[PR0 TURF]

Thats not always true, a CAT or ASV (MTL) like Ronnie has (Bobcat Ron) is great for moving snow, but a traditional track machine (CTL) like a T300 isnt that great, you can get I believe its bridgestone tracks that are marketed as snow tracks, I've heard they are a lil better, but still not as good as the tracks on the CAT's and ASV's...

What is the difference between CTL & MTL?? :confused:

We have no experience with tracked skid steers...the closest thing we have is our Bobcat MT52

[PR0 TURF]

Hey i caught you candid plowing across the street from me in the '08. Hope you don't mind:waving:

Daaaamn you have a good camera!!! I saw you that day across the street at the hardware store...I was gonna come over & say hi but as you can see from the pics it was NASTY out and I'm sure you and I didn't have much time to chit chat. My camera takes terrible pics...what are you using???



Did you happen to see that tractor trailer across the street from Uncle Bob's who got himself jackknifed soooo bad?? They had a huge wrecker come straighten him out....he was stuck there all afternoon. :hammerhead:

[Junior M]

What is the difference between CTL & MTL?? :confused:

We have no experience with tracked skid steers...the closest thing we have is our Bobcat MT52
The undercarriage is really all that is different, if you want some detail go post that in the Heavy Equipment and Paving Forum here..

Your MT52 is a CTL just a smaller frame. All of Bobcats trackloaders are CTL's, and all of ASV's trackloaders are MTL's so you can see a physical difference..

[greenbaylawns]

Thanks Pro Turf for all those pictures and information. Makes me want it even more. Some Day...Thumbs Up

[joelbouch]

hey pro if i ever go up to see ya i wana try the a300

[nnj18]

Thats not always true, a CAT or ASV (MTL) like Ronnie has (Bobcat Ron) is great for moving snow, but a traditional track machine (CTL) like a T300 isnt that great, you can get I believe its bridgestone tracks that are marketed as snow tracks, I've heard they are a lil better, but still not as good as the tracks on the CAT's and ASV's...

I'm not going to argue with you. But have you ever plowed with one?? I have and a wheeled machine will kick its azz imo..

[Junior M]

I'm not going to argue with you. But have you ever plowed with one?? I have and a wheeled machine will kick its azz imo..
I've never even plowed snow. So I dont know which is better or worse, I am just goin off what I've read and been told.. I wasnt comparing a tracked machine to a regular skid I was comparing one kind of trackmachine to another...

[nnj18]

I know....in my original post though I was talking about tracked vs wheeled lol

[Junior M]

I know....in my original post though I was talking about tracked vs wheeled lol
Oh, :hammerhead: I thought you were talkin bout just a track machine in general...

[RedMax Man]

Daaaamn you have a good camera!!! I saw you that day across the street at the hardware store...I was gonna come over & say hi but as you can see from the pics it was NASTY out and I'm sure you and I didn't have much time to chit chat. My camera takes terrible pics...what are you using???



Did you happen to see that tractor trailer across the street from Uncle Bob's who got himself jackknifed soooo bad?? They had a huge wrecker come straighten him out....he was stuck there all afternoon. :hammerhead:

Ya traffic there is a pain so when i was waiting for a chance to move i snapped a few pics. If i get caught chit chatn to much i could get in trouble so...

I use Fuji FinePix S5100 4.0 mega pixels 10x optical zoom so i can get real close even though your all the way across the street.


Yes i did see that rig stuck against the pole. I got rear ended by an F-350 p/u like mine near by across from the bar and Brookside st. during the time that tractor trailer was stuck. Yeah i saw a massive Lowell Fleet Wrecker go by just up the street after i dealt with the police for the accident and plowed 2 accounts so i figure they got the tractor trailer out.

I got a pic as i was driving by:laugh:

[joelbouch]

didnt need a wreaker just push the front end with the plow backwards there add some and and the guys all set

[RedMax Man]

didnt need a wreaker just push the front end with the plow backwards there add some and and the guys all set

Not that easy and it would get damaged. they were workn on it for a while. even had it away from the pole but it kept sliding down the hill back into the pole. looked like the guy plowing the lot by the loading dock got his dump truck stuck too because he was digging out by the rear wheels.

[joelbouch]

Not that easy and it would get damaged. they were workn on it for a while. even had it away from the pole but it kept sliding down the hill back into the pole. looked like the guy plowing the lot by the loading dock got his dump truck stuck too because he was digging out by the rear wheels.

i belive it but it looks flat i mean i plowed in the dump with no weight in the dump and i was fine

[RedMax Man]

i belive it but it looks flat i mean i plowed in the dump with no weight in the dump and i was fine

its not. its a hill. the dump truck plowing had a V box sander in the back too.

[joelbouch]

its not. its a hill. the dump truck plowing had a V box sander in the back too.

what a jerry :hammerhead:

[PlatinumLandCon]

Pro Turf, How did you go from where you were in 01 to the 05 pic? Did you get a bank loan to kickstart growth? What did you find enabled you to grow so fast?

[daveyo]

I like to see everything clean, great image. Do you have any pics of the inside of your maintenance trailers?

[Dustbag]

Can't post.............still...............drooling................need snorkel............





WOW!!!

[ProCut_48]

Pro Turf, How did you go from where you were in 01 to the 05 pic? Did you get a bank loan to kickstart growth? What did you find enabled you to grow so fast?

Read back on second page i think. he has already answered this.

[02DURAMAX]

Man that sucks about teh GMC!!! post some pics up when you get it fixed!

Great thread!

[oakwdman]

This is an awesome thread. Very nice equipment.
So how many of your trucks have plows?

[PlatinumLandCon]

Read back on second page i think. he has already answered this.

Page 4, post 37. Thanks for the tip!

[PlatinumLandCon]

Pro Turf,
How much of the snow equipment is yours? Are those big azz loaders yours?

[westcoh]

Awesome setup you've got there. What's the deal with that big front end loader you posted pics of clearing snow? Is it just for snow removal, or do you have other uses for it as well? Do you have a truck with a transfer tank to keep it fueled up? I've always had the idea in the back of my head of picking up an older loader for cheap and using it for snow removal if I ever really got into some larger sized lots.

[newtostone]

Very nice looking stuff, If i may what are you using for tracking and billing your customers. Just recently I am coming to a head with quickbooks and just looking for some other ideas on suitable programs.

[PR0 TURF]

I like to see everything clean, great image. Do you have any pics of the inside of your maintenance trailers?

I will get on that this week....check back by the end of the week and I'll definitely snap some & get em posted...a few people have been asking....

[PR0 TURF]

Can't post.............still...............drooling................need snorkel............

WOW!!!

Hahahhaa...thanks man...just remember...the grass is always greener on the other side...

[PR0 TURF]

This is an awesome thread. Very nice equipment.
So how many of your trucks have plows?

All of our trucks have plows...we put plows on everything!! I'd put a plow on my motorcycle if I could!!

Snow is such a big part of our business that we can't afford to let anything sit in the winter that could be out moving snow.

[PR0 TURF]

Pro Turf,
How much of the snow equipment is yours? Are those big azz loaders yours?

All of the snow equipment is ours. We have not started using any subcontractors yet. We have 2 front end loaders with 16ft pushers...3 sanders...5 trucks plowing.

[PR0 TURF]

Awesome setup you've got there. What's the deal with that big front end loader you posted pics of clearing snow? Is it just for snow removal, or do you have other uses for it as well? Do you have a truck with a transfer tank to keep it fueled up? I've always had the idea in the back of my head of picking up an older loader for cheap and using it for snow removal if I ever really got into some larger sized lots.

Thank you!!!

We primarily only use the front end loaders for snow. We have them on hand in the summer to load mulch or whatever we may need like that...but we would typically use our skid steer if its around for that, so they basically sit idle for 7 months out of the year.

The reason we own them instead of renting is...to rent a comparable size machine from CAT for the winter is approx. $16,000. Each of our loaders cost just about if not less than $16k. So since we are in this for the long haul...it just makes sense to pay the $16k one time...instead of giving CAT that $16k every year. Both machines are pushing 30 years old...they are no gems by any means!...but they start up and push snow for us 15-20x per year...and that is all we need them for. I know alot of companies that rent the machines each winter...and the peace of mind is great...using a brand new machine...you know its always going to start right up etc...so we definitely deal with our fair share of headaches with these old dinosaurs...but it is worth it to us to keep that $15k in our pocket winter after winter.

Hope that all made sense...:dizzy:

[PR0 TURF]

Very nice looking stuff, If i may what are you using for tracking and billing your customers. Just recently I am coming to a head with quickbooks and just looking for some other ideas on suitable programs.

We use Groundskeeper Pro. I bought the software back when I first started and it has treated me well ever since. There are some small changes I would like to see...but for the most part it takes care of what we need. Over the years we have received numerous compliments about how professional our invoices are...we have our full color logo on top and the overall layout is just awesome looking.

I have considered changing a few times...trying out QuickBooks or CLIP or a few of the others...but i figure why change now..."If it ain't broke...don't fix it!" :laugh:

[MysticLandscape]

We use Groundskeeper Pro. I bought the software back when I first started and it has treated me well ever since. There are some small changes I would like to see...but for the most part it takes care of what we need. Over the years we have received numerous compliments about how professional our invoices are...we have our full color logo on top and the overall layout is just awesome looking.

I have considered changing a few times...trying out QuickBooks or CLIP or a few of the others...but i figure why change now..."If it ain't broke...don't fix it!" :laugh:

I will tell you right now Pro, I use quickbooks. Two of my buddies use groundskeeper pro, needless to say, I am switching to groundskeeper this year. I think the ease of use and efficency of groundskeeper is better than quickbooks.

[PR0 TURF]

I will tell you right now Pro, I use quickbooks. Two of my buddies use groundskeeper pro, needless to say, I am switching to groundskeeper this year. I think the ease of use and efficency of groundskeeper is better than quickbooks.

That is great to hear! Everyone i know who uses QuickBooks always tries to convince me to switch over to that...but I've never had much interest in it. I have never heard anyone saying they are switching from QB to Groundskeeper....i like hearing it!

You will love Groundskeeper... :weightlifter:

[joelbouch]

That is great to hear! Everyone i know who uses QuickBooks always tries to convince me to switch over to that...but I've never had much interest in it. I have never heard anyone saying they are switching from QB to Groundskeeper....i like hearing it!

You will love Groundskeeper... :weightlifter:


ya when i had my company going i started with quick books then i hated it so bad found grounds keeper pro and bought it was pricey still is but i bought seeing how it was desgined for this industry but seeing how i work for mystic now i was going to reregester my copy and give it to tim but they wont let me do that there forceing tim to buy a new copy which is gay.

[Junior M]

Does that groundskeeperpro yall are talking about work with construction to? or is it designed just for landscaping?

[PR0 TURF]

Does that groundskeeperpro yall are talking about work with construction to? or is it designed just for landscaping?

It should work fine with a construction company...it is very user friendly. You can check out a free demo online...not sure of there website off hand?? I think something like www.adkad.com but don't quote me on that!! :dizzy:

[RedMax Man]

good to know that the larger companies are operating under Groundskeeper. I've kinda had the impression that it was for the little guys and the big operations use Quickbooks. I'd much rather use software thats designed for a specific industry right off the bat.

[daveyo]

I will get on that this week....check back by the end of the week and I'll definitely snap some & get em posted...a few people have been asking....


Thanks I appreciate it, with the up coming season I'm looking to get more organized, in turn become more efficient. Any thing I can do to save on the bottom line. Thanks for sharing with the members here.

[Digdug]

PRo Turf - great looking company and very neat appearance! Makes me want to go down and wash my trucks. Although its 8 degrees out right now I think I will pass.
Keep up the hard work. doug

[FinerCutslawnCare]

All I can say is wow...

[daveyo]

Any pics yet?

[PR0 TURF]

Sorry it has taken me so long to get some more pics up...it has been so cold out I haven't been outside much more than I need to be the past few weeks!

Here are just a few random pics of some trailers etc that I snapped the other day...

[PR0 TURF]

Here are some pics of our mowing trailer...I wanted to pull the trailer out and open it up and pull out the mowers to give everyone a close look but there was a pretty decent sized bank of ice in front of the trailer...so this was the best that I could get you for now...

[PR0 TURF]

Here's a basket we built on the tongue of the trailer to carry safety cones and a 21" mower. We were trying to carry the 21" mower inside the trailer but it was constantly getting damaged with so much traffic coming in and out of the trailer each day. You would appreciate the pic much more if the mower was actually sitting in the basket...this setup works great...no more damaged push mowers!

[PR0 TURF]

A few more...oil rack...phone number list that goes in every trailer & truck...

The rest of the pics...there are 3 Gridiron trimmer racks & 3 Gridiron backpack blower racks in the trailer.

Any other questions...just ask...

[JosephLawnCare]

Very nicely organized. you even have a logo on your airtank. I like the tounge rack idea too

[davis45]

haha, I love the sign in the mowing trailer. "If you took sh1t please put it back"

[PR0 TURF]

haha, I love the sign in the mowing trailer. "If you took sh1t please put it back"
Hahahah...thanks! I found a bunch of goofy signs at a flea market one day and grabbed em and hung em up in some of the trailers!

[PR0 TURF]

Very nicely organized. you even have a logo on your airtank. I like the tounge rack idea too

Thanks man! That tank is actually for our 2-stroke fuel. Its a 10 gallon tank...works out really well. :walking:

[Marek]

Is that a Pace Summit trailer?

[JosephLawnCare]

so does the fuel tank have to be grounded or does it just sit there?

[DoetschOutdoor]

Dang, I just lost an hour of my life reading this thread but it was worth it! You have some really nice stuff. Its motivating to see what a guy just a few years older than myself can do in a few short years. Keep doing what your doing and you should be okay.

[PR0 TURF]

so does the fuel tank have to be grounded or does it just sit there?

I do not believe that there is a ground strap on that tank. We have 2 other tanks in the trailer that do have to be grounded.

[PR0 TURF]

Is that a Pace Summit trailer?

Yes it is...has treated us very well.

[ProCut_48]

you don't have web site? jw!

[Green Team Landscaping]

Hey, how do you keep all of your equipment up and running throughout the winter? I have a problem with keeping my Scag in the cold for over a month without being started. It tends to not start up. How do you manage with all of that equipment?

Thanks!

[hotshot4819]

hey pro, i sent you a pm, respond when you get a chance. I know the snow is probably going to delay you a little bit. as its a few hours away from hitting us now.

[daveyo]

Thanks for the pics I also use gridiron in my enclosed. Good idea for the 21, thanks for sharing. What are the other racks going along the middle?

[Marek]

Ours have held up very well too. The prices of the new ones are thru the roof. Have you ever been able to find the right size torx for the siding ? I was never able to match those up to anything.

[LuvMyFerris]

Awesome pics and KUDOS on a job well done, I wish my daughters could find responsible young men like yourself, I am amazed, you should be proud! :usflag:

On your pics of your shop, surprised its a stick built "pole barn" I am fixing to have a 30x40 pole barn put up behind my home on our property, around here that size not including concert is about $10k for the building itself installed, how does that compare to your area? Again, Very Well Done! :waving:

[shade tree landscaping]

WOW!!! I hope I can grow to be that big in the near future!

[jblawns123]

:jawdrop: Wow!!!!!!!!!

[pbrad]

pro turf you need more pic so i can drool over my computer

[PR0 TURF]

Thanks for the pics I also use gridiron in my enclosed. Good idea for the 21, thanks for sharing. What are the other racks going along the middle?

The other racks going along the middle are E-Track with hooks for holding rakes & shovels and other misc. stuff. They work out well and you can easily move the hooks around as you need to without any drilling etc. :waving:

[PR0 TURF]

Ours have held up very well too. The prices of the new ones are thru the roof. Have you ever been able to find the right size torx for the siding ? I was never able to match those up to anything.

I know what you mean about the torx bit! We use a stainless steel screw to touch up anything that needs it...but I love the trailer overall...very pleased!

[PR0 TURF]

you don't have web site? jw!

www.proturflandscaping.com

[PR0 TURF]

Hey, how do you keep all of your equipment up and running throughout the winter? I have a problem with keeping my Scag in the cold for over a month without being started. It tends to not start up. How do you manage with all of that equipment?

Once December comes we go thru the equipment & clean it all up for the winter...make any necessary repairs etc and put some Sta-Bil in the fuel. We don't start them back up until spring...we have never had many issues in the spring.

What're you doing using your Scag in January anways! hahaha jk!

When I bought my first Scag I was so in love with it when I would have to pull it out of my garage in the winter I would put an electric blanket over the motor outside...hahha...i don't think the parents would've appreciated knowing that!

:laugh:

[PR0 TURF]

Awesome pics and KUDOS on a job well done, I wish my daughters could find responsible young men like yourself, I am amazed, you should be proud! :usflag:

On your pics of your shop, surprised its a stick built "pole barn" I am fixing to have a 30x40 pole barn put up behind my home on our property, around here that size not including concert is about $10k for the building itself installed, how does that compare to your area? Again, Very Well Done! :waving:

Thanks for the kudos!! Our building was definitely more expensive than that....but we have 18ft ceilings...and 4 garage doors...and all insulated...finished off with sheet metal inside etc. However I have seen companies advertise some buildings in that price range around here in the past.

Keep us posted on your building if you get it up and running....

[CMLawnCare]

How's the snow treating you guys up there? How far away are you from Northern CT? I'm right north of Hartford and right below the Agawam/Springfield MA line. The setup looks impressive! Keep up the good work... Are you on plow site too?

[punt66]

How's the snow treating you guys up there? How far away are you from Northern CT? I'm right north of Hartford and right below the Agawam/Springfield MA line. The setup looks impressive! Keep up the good work... Are you on plow site too?
Where are you? enfield? south windsor?

[CMLawnCare]

Where are you? enfield? south windsor?

Hey, I live right in Suffield we do alot of work in enfield, suffield, and windsor locks area

[daveyo]

The other racks going along the middle are E-Track with hooks for holding rakes & shovels and other misc. stuff. They work out well and you can easily move the hooks around as you need to without any drilling etc. :waving:

Hey, thanks again.

[CMLawnCare]

All of the snow equipment is ours. We have not started using any subcontractors yet. We have 2 front end loaders with 16ft pushers...3 sanders...5 trucks plowing.

Hey so the pushers = Pro Tech, The plows = Fisher, and you've got some nice Fords. Good man! What's the choice brand for sanders? the one i saw in the picture looks to be a S.S 2 yd?

[Green Team Landscaping]

I think I saw a familiar truck at Best Ford today in Nashua. :)

[CMLawnCare]

I know what you mean about the torx bit! We use a stainless steel screw to touch up anything that needs it...but I love the trailer overall...very pleased!

Hey guys one my Pace trailer the bit you need to use is a #2 square bit. You can get them at any hardware store they even come in the deck screw boxes. Took us awhile to figure it out but thats the tool to use!

[pbrad]

pro turf dude fix your computer and get more pics on hear