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4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 06:08 PM
So I got a Bri-Mar dump insert for my current generation Silverado 2500 HD and plan on putting on a plow as well as a sander. So I've been searching the net on making a 2500 into a 3500 which isn't very extensive. Just a couple parts. I'm just curious if one wanted to go one step further with the same idea, what would be done? 3500 parts, timbrens, air bags, .......???


What do you think?


Thanks,

Dave

ryry278
12-23-2008, 06:26 PM
why not just trade it in? With the deals right now you could probally just buy one for the amount your gonna sink into that.

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 06:34 PM
i dont think so, trading in for another new truck would be a huge loss, and id just be trading in for a 1 tom which i can make my truck into pretty easily. its just another leaf spring and one other suspension component i cant remember.

TXNSLighting
12-23-2008, 06:36 PM
Either a leaf or air bags. Bags are great.

ryry278
12-23-2008, 06:37 PM
is the engine the same in a 2500 and a 3500?

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 06:43 PM
same motors, 6.0 or diesel. mines a 6.0

Cutter1
12-23-2008, 06:46 PM
not even close to a 3500. You change all of that and it still doesn't change your legal gvw. BIG FINES, for over weight trucks.

ryry278
12-23-2008, 06:55 PM
i was gonna say cause there has to be a bigger difference than that. I mean doesnt a 3500 pull more than a 2500 or why would they market it the way they do or sell them at different prices why not just sell a beefed up 2500

nosparkplugs
12-23-2008, 06:55 PM
So I got a Bri-Mar dump insert for my current generation Silverado 2500 HD and plan on putting on a plow as well as a sander. So I've been searching the net on making a 2500 into a 3500 which isn't very extensive. Just a couple parts. I'm just curious if one wanted to go one step further with the same idea, what would be done? 3500 parts, timbrens, air bags, .......???


What do you think?


Thanks,

Dave

In the end your still just investing money in a 3/4 ton, depending on your state DOT laws if you did try to convert the truck into a 1 ton you would need to have it inspected for the new GVWR, and the paper work is crazy. Just Install the Firestone Ride-Rite Air bags work the truck within it's rated GVWR , save money for a 1 ton

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 06:57 PM
not even close to a 3500. You change all of that and it still doesn't change your legal gvw. BIG FINES, for over weight trucks.





:rolleyes: ya, i do lawn care, not cross country trucking, this cracks me up when i hear this:laugh:

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 07:00 PM
i was gonna say cause there has to be a bigger difference than that. I mean doesnt a 3500 pull more than a 2500 or why would they market it the way they do or sell them at different prices why not just sell a beefed up 2500




they have the same motor. the only difference is suspension, thats why theyre rated to tow more.

Gravel Rat
12-23-2008, 07:00 PM
The DOT doesn't give a rats azz if you have extra springs or bigger axles. What ever the VIN or the door post sticker says is what they go by. You must have realized that your truck was too small to start with. Your better off selling the 2500 and Dump insert and buy a truck with a mason dump.

You can add springs or timbrens but when you get caught overloaded you have some explaining to do to the DOT or if you get in a accident and they find you were overloaded your insurance is void. Kill somebody your going to jail and loose everything you own.

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 07:03 PM
geez, that's to bad......... so how can I beef up my truck???

SimonCX
12-23-2008, 07:13 PM
If both are srw the gvwr is not that different in chevy's, a 2500hd is 9200 and a 3500 is 9900gvwr. I added timbrens to mine and it works great as long as you don't go crazy and start putting 3 tons in a 2500. Dot doesn't care if your just doing lawn care, overloaded is overloaded. Too many people are doing stupid things and cause very bad accidents thats why there giving big fines.

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 07:16 PM
i get that. Im just saying, i want to carry a full sander in the dump body and a plow and if that put's me overweight, too bad!

nosparkplugs
12-23-2008, 07:16 PM
:rolleyes: ya, i do lawn care, not cross country trucking, this cracks me up when i hear this:laugh:


Your right, but wrong, Here in Tennessee you can tow up to 29,000GVWR without a CDL, but that does not give me the right to tow that weight with a 3/4 ton with rear wheel spacers to add the second rear tire. Ignorance is not bliss, nor is trying to beat the DOT system.

In the event of a accident your truck, trailer & equipment & tie downs will be inspected. You will get fined as such for any violations no excuses.

SimonCX
12-23-2008, 07:17 PM
geez, that's to bad......... so how can I beef up my truck???

You can add timbren's but know your limit and don't over do it. Best bet is go get the truck weighted with the insert and you will know how much payload you will have. If your only looking to put 1-2 yards of mulch or small cleanups I think your ok, but don't load 2 yds of rock because that will put you way over.

SimonCX
12-23-2008, 07:19 PM
[QUOTE=nosparkplugs;2657952]Your right, but wrong, Here in Tennessee you can tow up to 29,000GVWR without a CDL,

Don't you mean 26k instead of 29k.

nosparkplugs
12-23-2008, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=nosparkplugs;2657952]Your right, but wrong, Here in Tennessee you can tow up to 29,000GVWR without a CDL,

Don't you mean 26k instead of 29k.

Yep it's 26,000K

Gravel Rat
12-23-2008, 07:34 PM
The DOT doesn't care what you do for a living you could be the pope they don't care. DOTs number 1 goal is to try keep the roads safe. You get people with bad attitudes saying you don't care if your overloaded just gets you deep into trouble.

Here in B.C. you mouth off to a CVSE inspector (DOT) you just burned your bridge. Now they will find anything wrong with your truck to give you violation fines. The first thing they will look at is your windshield if its rock chipped or cracked there is a fine. Drivers seat any rips if so more fines. Got any burned out dash lights more fines. They really like the emergency brake make you put the truck in neutral and see if the E brake holds.

Once they finish with you your couple hundred dollars poorer and your red flagged. So if the cops see you with a suspicious looking load like overloaded your in trouble.

No wonder the DOT is going after landscapers if they have bad attitudes like the original poster of this thread. DOT would run up one side of you and down the other they would love to make a example of you.

SimonCX
12-23-2008, 07:47 PM
I was thinking the same thing, dot officers are doing there job just like everyone else. If you screw up blame yourself and not dot, and giving someone an attitude that can fine you is one of the stupidest things you can do.

nosparkplugs
12-23-2008, 07:54 PM
The DOT doesn't care what you do for a living you could be the pope they don't care. DOTs number 1 goal is to try keep the roads safe. You get people with bad attitudes saying you don't care if your overloaded just gets you deep into trouble.

Here in B.C. you mouth off to a CVSE inspector (DOT) you just burned your bridge. Now they will find anything wrong with your truck to give you violation fines. The first thing they will look at is your windshield if its rock chipped or cracked there is a fine. Drivers seat any rips if so more fines. Got any burned out dash lights more fines. They really like the emergency brake make you put the truck in neutral and see if the E brake holds.

Once they finish with you your couple hundred dollars poorer and your red flagged. So if the cops see you with a suspicious looking load like overloaded your in trouble.

No wonder the DOT is going after landscapers if they have bad attitudes like the original poster of this thread. DOT would run up one side of you and down the other they would love to make a example of you.

Dot here in Tennessee is looking for suspicious loads, speeding & obvious overloading. However the volume of traffic going through the Midsouth vs the number of commercial enforcement officers is very low, so lots of guys get through. I-40 through Memphis is a major drug transport corridor, their always busting someone for drugs big or small rigs. Their looking for what pays the bills,

Just like any industry the few bad apples make us all look bad. I

topsites
12-23-2008, 07:57 PM
Dump 400 pounds of cooked hamburger in the bed.

they have the same motor. the only difference is suspension, thats why theyre rated to tow more.

No I am sorry but you are very wrong, if that were true then a 150 is the same as a 850 except the suspension?
Try heavier duty brakes, a closer transmission, fatter rims and bigger tires (count the lugs sometime), the steering gear and the
cooling system, a full ton even has marker lights on top of the cab where the 3/4 doesn't, anyhow if it's bigger the WHOLE truck is better (or beefier).

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 08:10 PM
Dump 400 pounds of cooked hamburger in the bed.



No I am sorry but you are very wrong, if that were true then a 150 is the same as a 850 except the suspension?
Try heavier duty brakes, a closer transmission, fatter rims and bigger tires (count the lugs sometime), the steering gear and the
cooling system, a full ton even has marker lights on top of the cab where the 3/4 doesn't, anyhow if it's bigger the WHOLE truck is better (or beefier).




wow, why do people try to give info they have no clue about. Serious question, Im asking you why you do this. Are you really that pathetic... ?Actually, that question was already answered with your number of posts. My 2500 has the Cab lights... stock! Everything in that post is just retarted. The only correct thing is that they have different tires.

Junior M
12-23-2008, 08:18 PM
:rolleyes: ya, i do lawn care, not cross country trucking, this cracks me up when i hear this:laugh:
:laugh: Whats even funnier is you lawn guys think that the DOT wont wiegh you. :laugh: They'll weight you just like they'll wiegh me and the mini excavator, they dont care.

Gravel Rat
12-23-2008, 08:51 PM
Somebody report this guy to the DOT I would love to see him be red flagged all over the country. Sorry guy IDIOTS like you shouldn't have a drivers license.

I hope you do run your truck over loaded you crash into a mini van with a familly and kill every familly memeber and you see some jail time.

Idiots like you shouldn't be on the road PERIOD.

Junior M
12-23-2008, 09:16 PM
Somebody report this guy to the DOT I would love to see him be red flagged all over the country. Sorry guy IDIOTS like you shouldn't have a drivers license.

I hope you do run your truck over loaded you crash into a mini van with a familly and kill every familly memeber and you see some jail time.

Idiots like you shouldn't be on the road PERIOD.
Ok, GR, that was a lil overboard, maybe he should get a huge ticket, I dont know about the whole people dying thing.

I hate it when people do illegal stuff like that and then get by with it when I attempt to do everything as right and legal as possible so I dont get a huge ticket..

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Somebody report this guy to the DOT I would love to see him be red flagged all over the country. Sorry guy IDIOTS like you shouldn't have a drivers license.

I hope you do run your truck over loaded you crash into a mini van with a familly and kill every familly memeber and you see some jail time.

Idiots like you shouldn't be on the road PERIOD.





what does your car look like? Just so I can aim for you.

nosparkplugs
12-23-2008, 09:49 PM
what does your car look like? Just so I can aim for you.


He drives a big are 18 wheeler:canadaflag:, and wants to run all Dodge truck owners off the road:laugh:

Gravel Rat
12-23-2008, 09:52 PM
No I'am a legal trucking company and I hate seeing idiots like you with no clue. Guys like you are a menance to the road. Glad your in New York if you lived in my neighbourhood you would have been reported.

Well glad I'am not ignorant like you.

I guess your not a very smart landscaper did you graduate highschool :laugh:

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 09:57 PM
No I'am a legal trucking company and I hate seeing idiots like you with no clue. Guys like you are a menance to the road. Glad your in New York if you lived in my neighbourhood you would have been reported.

Well glad I'am not ignorant like you.

I guess your not a very smart landscaper did you graduate highschool :laugh:




I'm glad your so enlightened wishing death upon families in mini vans. Did you graduate from Boces?:laugh:



Oh, and in you're last sentence there, before the part about me graduating from high school. You need a period after "landscaper" and a capital d in "did", and there is no apostrophe between I am. Maybe you mean "I'm".

TXNSLighting
12-23-2008, 10:04 PM
Dump 400 pounds of cooked hamburger in the bed.



No I am sorry but you are very wrong, if that were true then a 150 is the same as a 850 except the suspension?
Try heavier duty brakes, a closer transmission, fatter rims and bigger tires (count the lugs sometime), the steering gear and the
cooling system, a full ton even has marker lights on top of the cab where the 3/4 doesn't, anyhow if it's bigger the WHOLE truck is better (or beefier).

Man you dont know much of anything do you...

TXNSLighting
12-23-2008, 10:06 PM
He drives a big are 18 wheeler:canadaflag:, and wants to run all Dodge truck owners off the road:laugh:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Jerry Lee
12-23-2008, 10:07 PM
u guys r destroying this dude for just wanting to beef up his little truck. we dont even know what hees hauling.. id go with air bags.

TXNSLighting
12-23-2008, 10:12 PM
Yeh Gravel rat ruins every thread he posts on...Seriously put some bags on it so you can carry a lil more weight without it dragging the ground. Even a helper spring will help. Not saying throw 5k back there but it will help you carry what you need to. Otherwise get a HD trailer.

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 10:14 PM
These dip's are destroying themselves!


But anyway, I want to be able to carry the dump insert with a full sander and a plow. Maybe a V, maybe not.



thank's for the few helpfull post that are here.

Jerry Lee
12-23-2008, 10:17 PM
These dip's are destroying themselves!


But anyway, I want to be able to carry the dump insert with a full sander and a plow. Maybe a V, maybe not.



thank's for the few helpfull post that are here.

a full sander?:confused: is that like the gas opperated 1 or 2 ton spreaders u put in the bed?

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 10:20 PM
a full sander?:confused: is that like the gas opperated 1 or 2 ton spreaders u put in the bed?



...like this. Maybe a size or two down, but this general style.

Jerry Lee
12-23-2008, 10:24 PM
...like this.

thats what i thought. at work i use hinikers version of that. we use an 05 duramax 8 foot bed 3/4 ton truck to haul it. when its fully loaded it will turn the leafs inside out. so i have to tell the guy in the skid steer when i think its full. so yes i would defently get air bags for that thing because u can esily weigh around 13,000 lbs.

Idealtim
12-23-2008, 10:26 PM
If you want to be carrying weight, load range e tires.

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 10:27 PM
wow, that's more than I thought! Plus the weight of the dump too!

Jerry Lee
12-23-2008, 10:30 PM
wow, that's more than I thought! Plus the weight of the dump too!

well thats the truck. plow (900 lbs.). and the spreader w/e that weight empty. the only way we would weigh that much was with the sand. with ice melt we were way lighter.

Gravel Rat
12-23-2008, 10:34 PM
Get the proper size truck and be done with it simple as that.

Your "legal" payload on a 3/4 ton will be at most 2500lbs so figure it out from there.

You know you have a undersized truck so why are you fooling around you should have bought a dually to start with.

You won't beable to put any salt in the spreader because if you have a dump insert plus a spreader your probably looking at 2000lbs right there.

You want to beef up your suspension get timbrens they will bend the trucks frame before they give up.

Last question are you really going to make enough money plowing and salting to cover the wear and tear you are going to put on your P/U truck with it maxed out through the winter. I assume this is the first time you have done this.

SimonCX
12-23-2008, 11:06 PM
You could just get a spreader that mounts instead the insert tailgate. Not really sure how much they cost but I think downeaster makes one that replaces the inserts tailgate. Otherwise I would take out the insert if your planning on running the spreader your taking about and take 900 lbs off the back thats not being used. Timbrens would be the least costly way of improving the ride under load. On newer gm trucks the main difference in 2500 or 3500 srw trucks is wider rim and tire and one extra load booster spring. Front end, frames, brakes and trans are the same very little difference in gm's srw truck.

4 seasons lawn&land
12-23-2008, 11:07 PM
first year. I still just do Lawn care so I'm not towing my 12 foot trailer with my one Z-turn with a 20k GVWR dump truck.

Im not gonna' load it up to the point of straining the frame and axles. I already said I just want a smaller box spreader in my dump insert and a plow and want to add some stronger chassis components. Then the **** hit the fan because it meant I would be overloaded along with everyone else in this business doing snow in a 3/4 ton... which is most people.

wellbuilt
12-24-2008, 01:59 AM
:rolleyes: ya, i do lawn care, not cross country trucking, this cracks me up when i hear this:laugh:

Its really not to funny The local DOT is pulling me over every month or so . Im a builder and have all new equipment and trailers . You cant carry anything in a 250 . I live in Monroe NY

4 seasons lawn&land
12-24-2008, 09:08 AM
that really sucks. What do they do, carry portable scales?

Junior M
12-24-2008, 09:27 AM
that really sucks. What do they do, carry portable scales?
If you truck is over wieght they'll make you leave your truck on the side of the road until you get a truck that is big enough or until you get a trailer heavy enough. Basically until you comply to the laws.

Transportation officers have the authority to escort you to the local scales if they feel you're over weight and then they go from there.

Paradise Landscapes
12-24-2008, 03:54 PM
Well, the law is the law. There's no beating arround the bush. If you are over loaded, You will be cited when caught. End of discussion.

I will say this though. I worked for a landscape company that did "beef" up their trucks all the time. All they did was heavier spiral springs in the front and heavier springs in the back and heavier axes. BUT, They never went over their registered GVRW.

Junior M
12-24-2008, 04:01 PM
Well, the law is the law. There's no beating arround the bush. If you are over loaded, You will be cited when caught. End of discussion.

I will say this though. I worked for a landscape company that did "beef" up their trucks all the time. All they did was heavier spiral springs in the front and heavier springs in the back and heavier axes. BUT, They never went over their registered GVRW.
Exactly, this guy, I am not even sure who posted this originally, can put heavier axles on, heavier suspension, but if the DOT catches him over the registered weight he's done..

But seriously, if you,whoever originally started this thread, wants there truck not to sag as much then put some air bags on the truck, adding a leaf doesnt help all that much..

Gravel Rat
12-24-2008, 11:49 PM
You really have to watch out for cop cars with portable scales.

You can have a beefed up suspension but if the load in the truck looks like its physically too heavy for the truck your going to get caught.

The truck might not be squating but the tires are showing the load or if a cop is following you and the truck seems to be squirming all over the road because the tires are overloaded.

In the USA why would you even chance running a overloaded truck. Does people sue each other because somebody farted beside you and you thought the smell cause you some brain damage :laugh:

There is too many people on the roads nowwadays driving in la la land not paying attention talking on the phone or texting somebody etc.

Your driving along a free way you have a good following distance between you and the car infront of you. Here comes some woman not paying attention slathering on some rouge on her lips not paying attention and cuts you off. Now your driving a overloaded 3/4 ton you slam on the brakes but its not enough you rear end the woman she does a lip lock on the windshield you cause her whiplash now your infor a lawsuit.

It is why I got rid of my F-350s I can't take running a truck that you have to be so carefull with. A F-350 flatdeck you can overload real easy.

wellbuilt
12-25-2008, 02:29 AM
that really sucks. What do they do, carry portable scales?

The DOT boys have a mobile inspection centers they set up on the side of the road and there are 6 or 7 guys milking you at the same time . I have never had the pleasure of running thru the gantlet but they come up with all kinds of problems They gave a friend a ticket for a week link on a chain? and a messy cab. I am getting a class A CDL this week I hope . My road test is on the29th . I will have one less thing to talk about when pulled over. John

CrystalCreek
12-25-2008, 09:39 AM
The DOT boys have a mobile inspection centers they set up on the side of the road and there are 6 or 7 guys milking you at the same time . I have never had the pleasure of running thru the gantlet but they come up with all kinds of problems They gave a friend a ticket for a week link on a chain? and a messy cab. I am getting a class A CDL this week I hope . My road test is on the29th . I will have one less thing to talk about when pulled over. John

good luck on the test. It wasnt too hard when I took it a while ago. Hopefully they didnt change it. I would rather retake that test instead of going to the dentist. Thats where Ill be.

hosejockey2002
12-25-2008, 03:31 PM
Lots of good info, bad info, and downright b@#!sh!t on this thread.

I can only speak for Washington State, but I'll say what I know.

The DOT doesn't care what the sticker on the truck says. They are concerned with:

a) You are not over your LICENSED weight. By default WDL licenses 2500 series trucks for 8000 lbs., even though they all have higher GVWRs. I licensed mine for 12K, so I am legal up to that amount. However, I don't load it that heavy. I've got Timbrens on it, and I'm comfortable up to about 9800-10000 GVW.

b) They are concerned with axle and tire loading. You can go 20K on a single axle or 34K on a set of tandems. Not an issue with pickups, obviously. You can go up to 600 lbs. per inch of tread width per drive tire or 500 lbs. per inch of tread on a steer tire. Again, not an issue with a pickup.

That's really about it for numbers. However, if your truck appears to be unsafely loaded or overloaded you can be cited. This is at the discretion of the citing trooper or officer and is not based on factory GVWR. This is to get the guy who loads a pallet of stone in his S10 and the bumper is dragging on the ground.

In this state only trucks of 16000 lbs. licensed weight are required to stop at scales. So, unless I'm obviously grossly overloaded the state DOT will leave me alone.

On the insurance issue, read your policy. Unless your policy SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES accidents caused by overloading, your insurance has to cover you if you cause an accident because you are overloaded, just like they will cover other negligence like running a stop sign or driving 60 in a 25 zone. They may raise your rates or drop you, but they will cover overloading.

FWIW, I can carry 2800 lbs. in my dump insert equipped Chevy 2500HD without exceeding any factory numbers. I've hauled up to about 4000. That's a little heavy, but 3500 is fairly comfortable if I take it easy. The rear axle is rated by the axle manufacturer at 10,000 lbs., and the truck has excellent brakes. The weak link is tires, so if I run heavy I keep the speed down, which is a good idea anyway.

nosparkplugs
12-25-2008, 03:46 PM
Lots of good info, bad info, and downright b@#!sh!t on this thread.

I can only speak for Washington State, but I'll say what I know.

The DOT doesn't care what the sticker on the truck says. They are concerned with:

a) You are not over your LICENSED weight. By default WDL licenses 2500 series trucks for 8000 lbs., even though they all have higher GVWRs. I licensed mine for 12K, so I am legal up to that amount. However, I don't load it that heavy. I've got Timbrens on it, and I'm comfortable up to about 9800-10000 GVW.

b) They are concerned with axle and tire loading. You can go 20K on a single axle or 34K on a set of tandems. Not an issue with pickups, obviously. You can go up to 600 lbs. per inch of tread width per drive tire or 500 lbs. per inch of tread on a steer tire. Again, not an issue with a pickup.

That's really about it for numbers. However, if your truck appears to be unsafely loaded or overloaded you can be cited. This is at the discretion of the citing trooper or officer and is not based on factory GVWR. This is to get the guy who loads a pallet of stone in his S10 and the bumper is dragging on the ground.

In this state only trucks of 16000 lbs. licensed weight are required to stop at scales. So, unless I'm obviously grossly overloaded the state DOT will leave me alone.

On the insurance issue, read your policy. Unless your policy SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES accidents caused by overloading, your insurance has to cover you if you cause an accident because you are overloaded, just like they will cover other negligence like running a stop sign or driving 60 in a 25 zone. They may raise your rates or drop you, but they will cover overloading.

FWIW, I can carry 2800 lbs. in my dump insert equipped Chevy 2500HD without exceeding any factory numbers. I've hauled up to about 4000. That's a little heavy, but 3500 is fairly comfortable if I take it easy. The rear axle is rated by the axle manufacturer at 10,000 lbs., and the truck has excellent brakes. The weak link is tires, so if I run heavy I keep the speed down, which is a good idea anyway.


I agree each State's DOT laws are different, whats legal for me, might not be for you depending on the STATE this Lawsite BS is just "silly"
Very good points, Tires will save your arse or kill you;) those who go cheap on tires are _____________.

Jayslawncare
12-26-2008, 03:46 PM
So I got a Bri-Mar dump insert for my current generation Silverado 2500 HD and plan on putting on a plow as well as a sander. So I've been searching the net on making a 2500 into a 3500 which isn't very extensive. Just a couple parts. I'm just curious if one wanted to go one step further with the same idea, what would be done? 3500 parts, timbrens, air bags, .......???


What do you think?


Thanks,

Dave

Ive had airbags and timbrens and by far Id have to say that the timbrens are much better especially for the value. Air bags just seem to be a little high maintenance and it seems especailly if you use your truck for plowing that air lines get cracked or torn off...Timbrens...once they are in they require no maintenance. Good luck

4 seasons lawn&land
12-26-2008, 04:54 PM
so timbrens and tires are probably the most important things.

nosparkplugs
12-26-2008, 05:01 PM
Ive had airbags and timbrens and by far Id have to say that the timbrens are much better especially for the value. Air bags just seem to be a little high maintenance and it seems especailly if you use your truck for plowing that air lines get cracked or torn off...Timbrens...once they are in they require no maintenance. Good luck


I cannot speak for the front coil air bags, but i can say the 3 sets of rear Firestone Ride-rite rear air bags i have installed & use have been zero maintenance or ruptures or leaks for me, taken lots of abuse with heavy towing gooseneck love them. Last time I checked air bags were always cheaper than the Timbren air shocks?. To install the front air bags only requires "stuffing" the bags through the coils minimal tools vs more steps with Timbrens. I would say the airbags are easier to install less work & tools.


I do not have to deal with sub zero temps or plowing so their might be issues with airbags . I was going to install the front air bags to take the weight off the front of my Dodge Cummins, but every alignment shop I spoke with said that your tire wear will increase this was on 2 wheel drive trucks

Michael J. Donovan
12-26-2008, 05:32 PM
pretty sure this thread has run its course :rolleyes:

anyway, time for it to come to an end