Bobcat

[duke12]

Got the new worksaver and bobcat is now offering roller suspension on their mid size trackloaders(T180-T190).
What do you guys think? And it looks like they upped the horsepower to 66.
Might give a tak 130 a run for its money..

[bobcat_ron]

The only problem is that the roller system robs the machines of ROC, the T320's is 2800 pounds, down from 3200, and it adds more weight to the machine, and you loose ROC with the R/S.
You might as well buy a T300 then for the value of the T320, but then you get back in the cycle of stupidness, the Cormidi Iron Horse has the system I want, similar to the D8-D11 Cat hy-drive roller bogies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=093EvSKsQpE

[SellingIron]

The Roller suspension is perfect for the bobcats. Its simple and hardly no wearable parts...It takes out most of the vibrations out of the cab. A machine with SJC controls is really quiet inside..The T180/T190 already out classed cats 247/257 units with 61 HP. Now with 66HP that's even better ..If you need to lift more weight, just add counter weights...

[finegrade]

Got the new worksaver and bobcat is now offering roller suspension on their mid size trackloaders(T180-T190).
What do you guys think? And it looks like they upped the horsepower to 66.
Might give a tak 130 a run for its money..

Go for it, with no rubber coated rollers, you will not have to worry too much...
I see some owners of the 247B having to clean that squirrel cage with a pressure washer every evening... they are not happy doing it, they prefer to run a rigid machine with a suspension seat...
With 66hp, it should be very productive...
Try it before you buy,

Finegrade

[Junior M]

they are not happy doing it, they prefer to run a rigid machine with a suspension seat..

that suspension seat is a joke! I weight 135 or so and it bottoms out with me on it..

I want to look at a 190 with the suspension but if it is set up similar to the 300/320 we wont ever have it, seems like they will wear faster that way..

[BIGBEN2004]

It will never match the TL130. The hyd. are way too weak with no breakout force. The double planitary drive on the Tak gives it more track effort then the Bobcat could ever imagine. They are no match.

[bobcat_ron]

Go for it, with no rubber coated rollers, you will not have to worry too much...
I see some owners of the 247B having to clean that squirrel cage with a pressure washer every evening... they are not happy doing it, they prefer to run a rigid machine with a suspension seat...
With 66hp, it should be very productive...
Try it before you buy,

Finegrade

Uhh, yeah, maybe on the older B models, but the newer undercarriages, you would be surprised how clean they stay, the drive motors don't get packed with mud and crap like the "traditional" systems do. I never clean that area of the drives, and I don' even bother cleaning the undercarriage "every evening" like you claim, I just pick the odd rock out and move on with life.

On a side note, replacement rollers for the ASV U/C are much much cheaper than the original costs were thought to be, Cat seems to think that you need to replace every moving part on the undercarriage, including the bearings and seals. Not true, Cat seems to think that if you have to replace tires on your car with new ones, they think you should also replace the brakes and wheel bearings and suspension joints, "just to be safe". [Cash grab]

The Bobcat R/S will wear out the tracks faster, they raised the rear idlers up, and that puts more weight on the rollers where they ride on the rubber on top of the imbeds, 500 hours (maybe less) and you will see the steel poking out.

[Junior M]

The Bobcat R/S will wear out the tracks faster, they raised the rear idlers up, and that puts more weight on the rollers where they ride on the rubber on top of the imbeds, 500 hours (maybe less) and you will see the steel poking out.


Thats why we'll never have that option on ours, if we ever get one ;)

[Digdeep]

The Roller suspension is perfect for the bobcats. Its simple and hardly no wearable parts...It takes out most of the vibrations out of the cab. A machine with SJC controls is really quiet inside..The T180/T190 already out classed cats 247/257 units with 61 HP. Now with 66HP that's even better ..If you need to lift more weight, just add counter weights...

The cab is much quieter but the problem is that the new suspension allows the track to flex too much so that the cables are stressed. This is exactly the reason why Bobcat went to five rollers instead of four to eliminate the flexing of the track between the rollers. My buddy still sells Bobcats here in Wisconsin and confirms that the track life is being impacted in a big way.

The machine is still rough as heck with a heavy load too. The suspension only moves about 1/2" and it's only on the mid rollers not on the front and rear idlers. I demoed one in September and it felt the same as the old undercarriage with a heavy load on the front since all of the impact is still on the front idler.

[bobcat_ron]

The cab is much quieter but the problem is that the new suspension allows the track to flex too much so that the cables are stressed. This is exactly the reason why Bobcat went to five rollers instead of four to eliminate the flexing of the track between the rollers. My buddy still sells Bobcats here in Wisconsin and confirms that the track life is being impacted in a big way.

The machine is still rough as heck with a heavy load too. The suspension only moves about 1/2" and it's only on the mid rollers not on the front and rear idlers. I demoed one in September and it felt the same as the old undercarriage with a heavy load on the front since all of the impact is still on the front idler.

Bobcat needs to use the double flanged idlers instead of the singles on the front, Deere, Cat and Komatsu uses the same system and their's ride smoother.

[Stick Pro]

bobcat could throw that roller suspention away if they would get rid of the singel roller on the front when i have a full bucket of dirt going down a concrete driveway that is when it viberates the worst

[bobcat_ron]

bobcat could throw that roller suspention away if they would get rid of the singel roller on the front when i have a full bucket of dirt going down a concrete driveway that is when it viberates the worst

Try a dumping hopper heaped, good bye testicles. :cry:

[Nel-Martin]

anyone have/seen pic's of the new T180/T190 with the roller suspension ??


pic's would be great !!!:canadaflag:

[SellingIron]

500 hours (maybe less) and you will see the steel poking out.


That comment is a joke!!!!That comment would come from a cat owner of a 247b. I would be embarrassed to own one. BC has no track issues with the new RS...P.S. BC Susp. seat does suck really bad, but 9 times out of 10 they are never adjusted right. That is one thing the salesman rarely covers..

[bobcat_ron]

That comment is a joke!!!!That comment would come from a cat owner of a 247b. I would be embarrassed to own one. BC has no track issues with the new RS...P.S. BC Susp. seat does suck really bad, but 9 times out of 10 they are never adjusted right. That is one thing the salesman rarely covers..

No joke, my second set of T190 tracks only got to 500 hours before the imbeds could be seen where the rollers run on, I was doing a lot of gravel work where I just went plain nuts and bulldozed a 13 ton pile through.
Lifting that rear idler up was a bad idea, now you only have the front to support it and the rest of the weight is on the rollers and the front idlers.
If it was such a good system, Takeuchi would have come up with something like that now.
The above comment I made is not necessarily from a Cat 247B owner, even if I had owned a Takeuchi, I would still make the same comment.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/Pictures053.jpg

[SellingIron]

[QUOTE=Digdeep;2674830]The cab is much quieter but the problem is that the new suspension allows the track to flex too much so that the cables are stressed. This is exactly the reason why Bobcat went to five rollers instead of four to eliminate the flexing of the track between the rollers. My buddy still sells Bobcats here in Wisconsin and confirms that the track life is being impacted..

The RS has not been out long enough to determine track wear. Florida sells more CTL's than any other state and track wear is not a issue.Long term, If there was a widespread issue, bobcat would step up to take care of the problem. The RS takes out the vibrations while driving around the jobsites.(Load or not) improvement never the less..

[SellingIron]

Bobcat needs to use the double flanged idlers instead of the singles on the front, Deere, Cat and Komatsu uses the same system and their's ride smoother.


Bobcat has tested dual flange idlers and found that they are more prone to de-tracking (debris between idler face & track can cause the track to walk off)increases more wear on track...Etc..

[Stick Pro]

bobcat has to cath up with the competition they are behind if haveing a duel flang rollers in the front is prone to detracking maybe they should have that as an option at least i would take the risk. cat deere and komatsu dont think it is a problem and i hear no complaints i have ran all of them i still say bobcat needs to catch up

[SellingIron]

bobcat has to cath up with the competition they are behind if haveing a duel flang rollers in the front is prone to detracking maybe they should have that as an option at least i would take the risk. cat deere and komatsu dont think it is a problem and i hear no complaints i have ran all of them i still say bobcat needs to catch up

Bobcat started there CTL program in 1999 with there 864. Since then many improvements have been made to there undercarriage. There current setup does hold up really well, but to have different setup of rollers sit around for customers choice is not cost effective. It has been to long since a major change has been made with there ctl's. Most manufacturer's have been trying to catch BC for years with CTL's. BC has been working on a new line for some time now which we should all see this year( about time)......

[Construct'O]

bobcat has to cath up with the competition they are behind if haveing a duel flang rollers in the front is prone to detracking maybe they should have that as an option at least i would take the risk. cat deere and komatsu dont think it is a problem and i hear no complaints i have ran all of them i still say bobcat needs to catch up

Detracking hasn't been an issue for me and have been on lots of slopes and uneven ground and have yet to throw a track.Also here mud is a problem ,but who knows if you work in Florida where there is sand detracking might be more of a problem???????:usflag:

[Junior M]

Detracking hasn't been an issue for me and have been on lots of slopes and uneven ground and have yet to throw a track.Also here mud is a problem ,but who knows if you work in Florida where there is sand detracking might be more of a problem???????:usflag:
We work in sand alot, and I highly doubt sand would pop a track off. We've had jobs with thick wet sand where it till get packed in around rollers and primaries, but that still wouldnt and shouldnt pop a track..

[minimax]

I saw a t190 with the new rollers about 4 months a go but my camera was at home:hammerhead:.They did paint the track frames white:confused:.
minimax

[Junior M]

I saw a t190 with the new rollers about 4 months a go but my camera was at home:hammerhead:.They did paint the track frames white:confused:.
minimax
Maybe that was just a dealer demo? I hope? Even if the roller suspension was awesome I would be less likely to have a white track frame..

[treemover]

bobcats are a joke. underpowered and out classed

[Nel-Martin]

bobcats are a joke. underpowered and out classed

what make's you think so ??????

[Digdeep]

[QUOTE=Digdeep;2674830]The cab is much quieter but the problem is that the new suspension allows the track to flex too much so that the cables are stressed. This is exactly the reason why Bobcat went to five rollers instead of four to eliminate the flexing of the track between the rollers. My buddy still sells Bobcats here in Wisconsin and confirms that the track life is being impacted..

The RS has not been out long enough to determine track wear. Florida sells more CTL's than any other state and track wear is not a issue.Long term, If there was a widespread issue, bobcat would step up to take care of the problem. The RS takes out the vibrations while driving around the jobsites.(Load or not) improvement never the less..

SellingIron..You normally provide excellent information but I have to disagree with you on this one. I sold Bobcats for many years dating back to the 864 up here in Wisconsin and I still have many contacts within Bobcat and at local dealers in Wisconsin (some of my buddies now sell Case or CAT). I was told point blank by a field engineer right before the suspension was released that they knew that there would be an impact on track life but that they didn't have enough information how much track life they would lose(they went to five mid rollers to increase track wear and removed it again to fit the leaf springs in). My buddies at the dealers up here confirm exactly what the Bobcat engineer told me. 600-800 hours out of the Bridgestone tracks up here is common. BobcatRon is not too far off base.

Secondly, I don't think FL sells more CTLs than any other state. I think its MN. I will get my buddy to get me the sales totals. I do know that 1 in 5 skid steers sold in the world is sold in either MN, IA, WI, OH or MI.

[Junior M]

bobcats are a joke. underpowered and out classed
thats definetly a biased statement, Yellow has had Bobcat and CAT, and he went back to bobcat for numerous reasons. We all joke around about each others equipment, but that was kinda far, and with no reason behind it, you might as well've not said it...

[bobcat_ron]

thats definetly a biased statement, Yellow has had Bobcat and CAT, and he went back to bobcat for numerous reasons. We all joke around about each others equipment, but that was kinda far, and with no reason behind it, you might as well've not said it...


The Cat still ran his mulcher better, and he (or at least his ass does) misses the air ride seat in the Cat and I'm sure his wrists do as well.
The main reason was the dust in the cab issues.

[Junior M]

The Cat still ran his mulcher better, and he (or at least his ass does) misses the air ride seat in the Cat and I'm sure his wrists do as well.
The main reason was the dust in the cab issues.
I thought he got joysticks in his 330? And I am sure he misses the air ride seat, but he's said he's alot happier with the power? Maybe I am thinking of somebody else, but thats what I remember..

[ksss]

:laugh:thats definetly a biased statement, Yellow has had Bobcat and CAT, and he went back to bobcat for numerous reasons. We all joke around about each others equipment, but that was kinda far, and with no reason behind it, you might as well've not said it...

It might be biased but that does not make it incorrect. BC has some power and performance issues in their lineup. I say everything below the S220/T250. They have no engine torque, no breakout, no wheel torque (as it applys to the S machines). The larger machines are more competetive.

BC in my belief has not been winning as many head to head demos as they needed to in the last 10 years. There are still many BC owners who are brand loyal who will not demo another machine and always buy BC, but those guys are getting fewer. They need to be generating new customers. Most new customers are likely not as set in their ways and are more likely to conduct demos and really evaluate the machine. The BC name is powerful, unfortunately the equipment isn't as powerful as the name.

On the plus side, I have to believe that Doosan will take much better care of BC than did IR, which I believe mined BC for what it could and then sold them off. Doosan paid way too much to not do the right thing.

IMHO BC needs some R&D infusion. Make machine performance a priority. Simplify the electronics-way to much BS going on in those machines for it to be reliable. Come out with a much improved control system. Dump the AHC, it has never worked right anyway, too much feed back due to no servos, and the dam delay is way frustrating. Concentrate on getting E/H right. They were the first to bring it to market, but they certainly don't have it down yet. Simplify the control system options to either an awesomely performing E/H or the foot controls for those cavemen who have not gotten with the program. :laugh: Next which may get the gander up of the BC guys but its true, dump the Kubota engine and find a powerplant that generates torque, not noise. Then when you find one, put it in the machine the right way this time, loose the hyd. belts and bolt it direct to the hyd. pump.:cool2:

The upgrades to BC machines has been slow. I think you will see that change once Doosan gets comfortable with BC.

As far as "outclassed" As far as I am concerned, if your not running POWER TAN you have no class. :laugh::drinkup:

How is that Jr. for unbiased!

[Junior M]

:laugh:

It might be biased but that does not make it incorrect. BC has some power and performance issues in their lineup. I say everything below the S220/T250. They have no engine torque, no breakout, no wheel torque (as it applys to the S machines). The larger machines are more competetive.

BC in my belief has not been winning as many head to head demos as they needed to in the last 10 years. There are still many BC owners who are brand loyal who will not demo another machine and always buy BC, but those guys are getting fewer. They need to be generating new customers. Most new customers are likely not as set in their ways and are more likely to conduct demos and really evaluate the machine. The BC name is powerful, unfortunately the equipment isn't as powerful as the name.

On the plus side, I have to believe that Doosan will take much better care of BC than did IR, which I believe mined BC for what it could and then sold them off. Doosan paid way too much to not do the right thing.

IMHO BC needs some R&D infusion. Make machine performance a priority. Simplify the electronics-way to much BS going on in those machines for it to be reliable. Come out with a much improved control system. Dump the AHC, it has never worked right anyway, too much feed back due to no servos, and the dam delay is way frustrating. Concentrate on getting E/H right. They were the first to bring it to market, but they certainly don't have it down yet. Simplify the control system options to either an awesomely performing E/H or the foot controls for those cavemen who have not gotten with the program. :laugh: Next which may get the gander up of the BC guys but its true, dump the Kubota engine and find a powerplant that generates torque, not noise. Then when you find one, put it in the machine the right way this time, loose the hyd. belts and bolt it direct to the hyd. pump.:cool2:

The upgrades to BC machines has been slow. I think you will see that change once Doosan gets comfortable with BC.

As far as "outclassed" As far as I am concerned, if your not running POWER TAN you have no class. :laugh::drinkup:

How is that Jr. for unbiased!
Thats fine, I dont like statements with no credibility behind them, if you aint got nothin to back it up, why say it at all?

Bobcat is definetly behind on some of the technology and cab interior and things like that, and I think the T190/S185 and larger machines are great for power and torque but the T180/S175(<Do they still even make that piece of crap?) are gutless wonders, its like they've got to big of a frame and not enough of a power plant.

I really hope Doosan brings them up to par with the other brands. The way I look at it, IR thought they were buying a company that would just run itself, and it did run itself, right into the ground.

We would probably be renting another brand, but we get such a dam good deal, and service there is awesome. Plus Dad is one of those few diehard Bobcat guys that refuses to run anything but freakin rowing oars..

KSSS, the series 2 case's werent that great for power, and the cab was kinda tight, but the dash, holy crap, can we say OLD and hard to read, just to cramped. I know the power plant in the series 3 is bigger, but did they make any other improvements?

[stuvecorp]

It's so funny that what is comfortable and nice to me is crappy to so many others, I like the Case, it just fits and I feel good in it. I ran a Bobcat with the fancy hand controls and didn't like the delay, it felt so fake. I got the Worksaver yesterday, is it me or does Bobcat have a lot of models? It seems like they could simplify their lineup.

[Junior M]

It's so funny that what is comfortable and nice to me is crappy to so many others, I like the Case, it just fits and I feel good in it. I ran a Bobcat with the fancy hand controls and didn't like the delay, it felt so fake. I got the Worksaver yesterday, is it me or does Bobcat have a lot of models? It seems like they could simplify their lineup.
They actually have dropped off a couple models over the last year or two, not sure when but I know they did..

I liked the cab for the visibility, but by the time I crawled over the bucket and into the cab it was to narrow for me to turn around slide into the seat, I guess cause I am used to a wider cab. But the best thing I liked was the visibility, I usually suck at getting grade on the T190, man I was freakin awesome on the 420ct, but I think part of that was the joysticks.

That dash was just hard to see though, cause it was all black and digital with these little lights, and I had no clue what I was looking at, I like the bobcats dash, nice and big and easy to read, and my favorite, its simple...

[bobcatuser]

Haven’t you guys herd…You should never discus religion, politics, money or Bobcat equipment with strangers.:nono:

When I look at equipment purchases the overall package is what I decide on. Dealer service is most important, this includes sales, parts dept. , rentals ect. Next is operating costs, depreciation, PM service work, resale/trade value.

How many guys use this criteria when deciding?

[Junior M]

Haven’t you guys herd…You should never discus religion, politics, money or Bobcat equipment with strangers.:nono:

When I look at equipment purchases the overall package is what I decide on. Dealer service is most important, this includes sales, parts dept. , rentals ect. Next is operating costs, depreciation, PM service work, resale/trade value.

How many guys use this criteria when deciding?
Dealer service is way up there on my list, right behind the cab and overall power. I dont wanna get totally ignored and treated like crap once I buy a piece of equipment..

[bobcat_ron]

Haven’t you guys herd…You should never discus religion, politics, money or Bobcat equipment with strangers.:nono:

When I look at equipment purchases the overall package is what I decide on. Dealer service is most important, this includes sales, parts dept. , rentals ect. Next is operating costs, depreciation, PM service work, resale/trade value.

How many guys use this criteria when deciding?


That's how I shop too, but if anything, Bobcat Country should be selling Cat skid steers and Finning should be selling Bobcat skid steers, that way you can get screwed both ways on shop rates and unreliable Bobcat equipment. :laugh:

It's just so nice never having to worry about what's gonna break down on my Cat next like the Bobcat, I think it's the same feeling as paying off your mortgage and vehicles and finding out your girlfriend isn't preggers with your love child, it's your buddie's.

[iron peddler]

Dealer service is way up there on my list, right behind the cab and overall power. I dont wanna get totally ignored and treated like crap once I buy a piece of equipment..

jr we all love your enthusiasm.....but beware that you don't back yourself into a corner, without being an owner.....bobcat rental takes care of you because you are a constant revenue stream....become an owner and dam up that stream let's see how your attitude changes...

[Junior M]

jr we all love your enthusiasm.....but beware that you don't back yourself into a corner, without being an owner.....bobcat rental takes care of you because you are a constant revenue stream....become an owner and dam up that stream let's see how your attitude changes...
Dad has been friends with the rental manager (The only guy in the rental department) since before he started working at Bobcat, now the rental manager's son, if you arent in his office talking to him about buying a piece of equipment, he doesnt care about you, although he did give us a grapple and 4n1 for free after the tornado, freakin suck up..

[CAT powered]

Being friends with the rental manager is well and fine, but once you own a machine the rental guy doesn't have anything to do with servicing your machine. In fact the rental guy will probably get pissed since he lost your rentals.

[Junior M]

Being friends with the rental manager is well and fine, but once you own a machine the rental guy doesn't have anything to do with servicing your machine. In fact the rental guy will probably get pissed since he lost your rentals.
True, he probably will, but he is trying to get us to buy the 335:confused: I dont think we'll have a problem with the mechanics, as long as we get the one guy we know real well to do it..

[mrsops]

That's how I shop too, but if anything, Bobcat Country should be selling Cat skid steers and Finning should be selling Bobcat skid steers, that way you can get screwed both ways on shop rates and unreliable Bobcat equipment. :laugh:

It's just so nice never having to worry about what's gonna break down on my Cat next like the Bobcat, I think it's the same feeling as paying off your mortgage and vehicles and finding out your girlfriend isn't preggers with your love child, it's your buddie's.

Ron you don't have to worry about anything breaking down on your cat mtl because you dont use the thing :laugh: you worked your t190 alot harder then you will ever work that cat. Problem is you will never probably reach 800 hrs on that cat to know the problems your gonna have rebuilding that thing I'm telling you man everyone i know or have ever talked to including this site has said that cat mtl machine is pure junk and costs wayyy to much money once it hits 800-1000 hrs. Ron just face it your t-190 was a pure lemon dude. Maybe your bobcat equipment was not reliable but mine sure is

[mrsops]

Thats fine, I dont like statements with no credibility behind them, if you aint got nothin to back it up, why say it at all?

Bobcat is definetly behind on some of the technology and cab interior and things like that, and I think the T190/S185 and larger machines are great for power and torque but the T180/S175(<Do they still even make that piece of crap?) are gutless wonders, its like they've got to big of a frame and not enough of a power plant.

I really hope Doosan brings them up to par with the other brands. The way I look at it, IR thought they were buying a company that would just run itself, and it did run itself, right into the ground.

We would probably be renting another brand, but we get such a dam good deal, and service there is awesome. Plus Dad is one of those few diehard Bobcat guys that refuses to run anything but freakin rowing oars..

KSSS, the series 2 case's werent that great for power, and the cab was kinda tight, but the dash, holy crap, can we say OLD and hard to read, just to cramped. I know the power plant in the series 3 is bigger, but did they make any other improvements?

Bobcat by far has the nicest and easiest dash to read if you dont think so you must be old school. i would say cat is next on the list but god bless all you john deere skid owners that thing is like sitting in a space ship. The dash on that thing looks like your taking off in out of space

[bobcat_ron]

Problem is you will never probably reach 800 hrs on that cat to know the problems your gonna have rebuilding that thing I'm telling you man everyone i know or have ever talked to including this site has said that cat mtl machine is pure junk and costs wayyy to much money once it hits 800-1000 hrs.

Those were all first timers with the older undercarriages and back in the "days" when Cat would rather sell you everything you don't need, I will not let them sucker me into that, I do all my own repairs now.

And no offense, but landscaping is not really hard work per say, throw a 725 pound high energy jack hammer on your T190 and see what happens after 500 hours, now that's work!

[Gravel Rat]

The way things are going in British Columbia right now I don't think your going to see equipment dealers get too un-friendly. These dealers can't afford to pizz anybody off. You might start seeing a massage parlor in the backroom for special customers like Ron a little oriental woman takes him away :laugh:

I know Finnings will have to drop the bad attitude because the equipment sales are not there. With Alberta slowing down that is hurting the equipment sales. Finnings has burned their bridges with the gravel mines.

The skid steer market just started cooking in the last 4 years or so the years previous there wasn't a big demand for them.

For guys like me if I was a equipment owner dealer support isn't that big on the list. If you break down your not going to get a dealer mechanic to come and look at it the same day it maybe 3-4 days maybe 2 weeks. Anything that breaks you have to fix yourself or have a local mechanic fix it. Getting the parts to repair it will be important. With Bobcat parts guys have waited 3 weeks for a part because it wasn't in stock at Surfwood or BC Country.

Would I buy a Bobcat mini excavator "no" because the fact that getting parts for it would be too much of a pain. You get a Deere/Hitachi or a Cat mini the parts availabilty is better. Most of the same parts used on a mini are used in a fullsize excavator so most parts are always in stock.

The biggest problem with Bobcat,Takeuchi,Kubota and Yanmar excavators is they don't build fullsize machines so dealers don't have a large inventory of parts. Skid steers are a breed of their own most parts don't interchange with a excavator.

I don't see equipment dealers pushing people away there will be lots of butt kissing going on for a long time.

[mrsops]

Those were all first timers with the older undercarriages and back in the "days" when Cat would rather sell you everything you don't need, I will not let them sucker me into that, I do all my own repairs now.

And no offense, but landscaping is not really hard work per say, throw a 725 pound high energy jack hammer on your T190 and see what happens after 500 hours, now that's work!

i have put my bobcat 950 on my t190 plenty times. Ron where have you been who said i just do landscaping? I'm more of a landscape construction. i Do more excavating and grading with my machines then anything. Big part of my bussiness is pavers,retaining walls and drainage systems but the machine part has taking over big time. why would i have 7 machines to do landscaping??

[mrsops]

Actually ron where looking into getting a cat backhoe loader this year going to price it out and demo a few differnt ones we have a nice nice big city job where im going to need to drive it on the streets from location to location

[bobcat_ron]

Actually ron where looking into getting a cat backhoe loader this year going to price it out and demo a few differnt ones we have a nice nice big city job where im going to need to drive it on the streets from location to location

If you just need a back hoe, you might wanna look at a small rubber tired excavator like a used Cat M313C, even Volvo's little EW55 is a nice unit!

[mrsops]

If you just need a back hoe, you might wanna look at a small rubber tired excavator like a used Cat M313C, even Volvo's little EW55 is a nice unit!

no i need the bucket in the front to

[bobcat_ron]

no i need the bucket in the front to

Oh well, I tried.

[SellingIron]

Those were all first timers with the older undercarriages and back in the "days" when Cat would rather sell you everything you don't need, I will not let them sucker me into that, I do all my own repairs now.

And no offense, but landscaping is not really hard work per say, throw a 725 pound high energy jack hammer on your T190 and see what happens after 500 hours, now that's work!


Warning!!! Warning!!!!! T190 is only approved for a HB980 (500 Ft. lbs.) Any larger will void warranty.... Maybe thats why you had issues with your T190 B-Ron...(No hard feelings from my 247b posting B-Ron. I had to many Redbull/ vodkas that night...) Happy New Year everyone.....

[ksss]

Warning!!! Warning!!!!! T190 is only approved for a HB980 (500 Ft. lbs.) Any larger will void warranty.... Maybe thats why you had issues with your T190 B-Ron...(No hard feelings from my 247b posting B-Ron. I had to many Redbull/ vodkas that night...) Happy New Year everyone.....


Lets just put a pair of panties on the T190 and call it what it is.:clapping:

[Digdeep]

Lets just put a pair of panties on the T190 and call it what it is.:clapping:

Ksss..if the T190 gets a pair of panties the T140 gets a training bra.

[bobcat_ron]

Warning!!! Warning!!!!! T190 is only approved for a HB980 (500 Ft. lbs.) Any larger will void warranty.... Maybe thats why you had issues with your T190 B-Ron...(No hard feelings from my 247b posting B-Ron. I had to many Redbull/ vodkas that night...) Happy New Year everyone.....


I never ran a Bobcat hammer on that T190, just the Daemo (Korean no-name brand) since 2003, it was a different design with less GPM and more power.
That hammer was responsible for only 50% of the problems, the rest were poor design and quality.

[SellingIron]

Ksss..if the T190 gets a pair of panties the T140 gets a training bra.



The T140 needs a set of B@**s......:usflag:

[SellingIron]

Lets just put a pair of panties on the T190 and call it what it is.:clapping:


Ksssss; I would take a T190 over a 440 any day. I guess if you are driving straight in the case, it would a fair test....:usflag:

[stuvecorp]

Ksssss; I would take a T190 over a 440 any day. I guess if you are driving straight in the case, it would a fair test....:usflag:

:nono:The 440 is the best skid out there.

[mrsops]

:nono:The 440 is the best skid out there.

:laugh::laugh: thats the best thing i heard all night

[ksss]

:nono:The 440 is the best skid out there.

Yea, Selling I don't think you want to go there. The 440 and I am assuming your refering to the tracked version is way above the T190. I would recite you numbers but I think your just funning me.:waving: Certainly your not serious.:dizzy:

[stuvecorp]

:laugh::laugh: thats the best thing i heard all night

I'll take the heat on that claim. If you want to look at an 'all-around' best performing skid I think it would likely take it.

[ksss]

:laugh::laugh: thats the best thing i heard all night


Try one mrsops and you will see. That 2200 pound ROC machine is more powerful than your 3200 pound ROC 330 Bobcat.:weightlifter:

[mrsops]

Try one mrsops and you will see. That 2200 pound ROC machine is more powerful than your 3200 pound ROC 330 Bobcat.:weightlifter:

ksss if it makes you feel any better i rather run a case over a deere and new holland :usflag:

[ksss]

ksss if it makes you feel any better i rather run a case over a deere and new holland :usflag:

Well its a start. :drinkup:

[mrsops]

QUOTE=ksss;2677901]Well its a start. :drinkup:[/QUOTE]

The bobcat s220 will give that case 440 a run for its money ksss you should know all about that. According to CASE STATS the bobcat s220 has more bucket break out force then the case 440. Your all about that bucket break out force ksss now i know why you demoed the bobcat s220 you were thinking about changing colors :laugh:

[ksss]

QUOTE=ksss;2677901]Well its a start. :drinkup:

The bobcat s220 will give that case 440 a run for its money ksss you should know all about that. According to CASE STATS the bobcat s220 has more bucket break out force then the case 440. Your all about that bucket break out force ksss now i know why you demoed the bobcat s220 you were thinking about changing colors :laugh:[/QUOTE]


Oh my, your right the 220 specs 340 pounds more breakout then the 440.

However you are 9 horse power net and about 70 foot pounds behind the 440 in engine performance, the 220 has less aux. flow, less ground clearance, less high flow gpm and I believe less wheel torque.

So over all the 440 whoops the 220 in nearly every possible, measurable way. The 220 does somethings very well, I found it well balanced. I noticed that is is a longer machine by about 20 inches than is the 440. Like I have said the 220 I think is BC best example of a skid steer that I have run, 330 not withstanding as I have not run one yet. Close but no cigar. Like said earlier, when BC becomes more concerned about performance they will have more appeal to me. However, I have no reason to switch at the moment even if BC could some how match CASE's productivity in the future.

[mrsops]

O my you know what i say demo demo demo thats the only way you will know about the bobcat s330 you would like it ksss make a phone call monday morning to your local bobcat dealer let him bring one over for the day make sure it has all the goodies in it. Im sure he will be happy to see you again.

[SellingIron]

Ksssss. I'm Ass (assuming) your 440 is a skid....In dirt, Mud etc. The T190 will out perform your skidder!!!! I have demoed against a S300 with steel tracks in mud with a T190 and sent the S300 packing....

[mrsops]

ksss dont you have a vts?

[AWJ Services]

The 440 is the best skid out there.

Just not over here.:drinkup:

[mrsops]

Just not over here.:drinkup:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[ksss]

O my you know what i say demo demo demo thats the only way you will know about the bobcat s330 you would like it ksss make a phone call monday morning to your local bobcat dealer let him bring one over for the day make sure it has all the goodies in it. Im sure he will be happy to see you again.

I agree completely. Thats why I always demo before I buy (almost always, I did buy my current 465 without demoing another machine). Although there really wasn't anything to demo it against at the time. Now that BC has a 330 that gives me something to run against it. CAT doesn't have anything on tires to compete, now that Deere has EH that maybe one to run as well, although I am not real hot on the overall design of that machine but might be worth demoing anyway.

I am not ready to replace the 465 so that demo will have to wait, that and the ground is froze, not much to do right now. Although I spoke with the BC/Deere store manager on Friday.

But if I am demoing a BC than you had better demo a CASE for your next machine. Fair is fair.

[mrsops]

I agree completely. Thats why I always demo before I buy (almost always, I did buy my current 465 without demoing another machine). Although there really wasn't anything to demo it against at the time. Now that BC has a 330 that gives me something to run against it. CAT doesn't have anything on tires to compete, now that Deere has EH that maybe one to run as well, although I am not real hot on the overall design of that machine but might be worth demoing anyway.

I am not ready to replace the 465 so that demo will have to wait, that and the ground is froze, not much to do right now. Although I spoke with the BC/Deere store manager on Friday.

But if I am demoing a BC than you had better demo a CASE for your next machine. Fair is fair.

ok ok i told you what happen last time they never sent the machine out to me . Make sure you have something to put in your ears and everything is out of the way if your demoing the deere the side visibility out of that machine is a horror show and its god dam loud!!!

[ksss]

Ksssss. I'm Ass (assuming) your 440 is a skid....In dirt, Mud etc. The T190 will out perform your skidder!!!! I have demoed against a S300 with steel tracks in mud with a T190 and sent the S300 packing....


I see, well just to make it fair, I will bolt up the VTS. That should make us even as far as the tracks Vs tires thing goes. Now how would you like me to tame that 440 SellingIron? I could plug off an injector line or two? Maybe plug my air filter somehow. I am not sure how to make this more fair but I am sure we can come up with something.:laugh:

[ksss]

Just not over here.:drinkup:

Even in Ga. AWJ, even in Ga. That machine is dominate baby! I cant say that CASE rules every ROC class (unfortunately) but they certainly own this one.:weightlifter:

[Junior M]

Does Bobcat still even make the S220? I'd like to demo one...

[mrsops]

Does Bobcat still even make the S220? I'd like to demo one...

they sure do. junior the bobcat s220 is one of the best machines they make

[Junior M]

they sure do. junior the bobcat s220 is one of the best machines they make
Even better than the 330? :rolleyes:

:laugh: We've been thinking about goin up to a bigger machine because I would like to get into that brush mowing like Minimax is doing, and the T190 wouldnt a big enough machine..

[mrsops]

Even better than the 330? :rolleyes:

:laugh: We've been thinking about goin up to a bigger machine because I would like to get into that brush mowing like Minimax is doing, and the T190 wouldnt a big enough machine..

NO nothing is better then the s330 :laugh:

[AWJ Services]

Even in Ga. AWJ, even in Ga. That machine is dominate baby! I cant say that CASE rules every ROC class (unfortunately) but they certainly own this one.


You might want to tell the Case dealer here that they are the best so maybe they can start selling more machines.:cry:

[mrsops]

You might want to tell the Case dealer here that they are the best so maybe they can start selling more machines.:cry:

AWJ thats the same problem going on over here they dont push any skids only big excavators

[Junior M]

NO nothing is better then the s330 :laugh:
Sure! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Digdeep]

You might want to tell the Case dealer here that they are the best so maybe they can start selling more machines.:cry:

I think that Case does make a pretty good skid steer. Personally, I don't think higher engine hp, engine torque, rim pull, by themselves make the best skid but Case's machines have good specs. I think their biggest issue is their dealer network. I definitely think the 400 Series is better than the New Holland machines but New Holland has a better market share nationally by a pretty good margin. Go figure. I think Takeuchi makes a good CTL (behind ASV- I do believe that but I'm biased because I own one) but once again their dealer network is only strong in some areas. Bobcat and CAT have overall strong dealer networks and they are #1 & #2 for both skids and CTLs.

Nationally strong dealers that offer knowledgeable sales people and good product support win in the end. I think IHI makes a very good mini-ex but their dealer network is actually worse than ASV's. If ASV had a good network they would be #2 ahead of CAT because head to head the CAT machines can't compete.

[ksss]

You might want to tell the Case dealer here that they are the best so maybe they can start selling more machines.:cry:



There was a big change in your area that hopefully will result in a larger CASE presence. Briggs bought up a lot of the dealerships in the SE USA. Hopefully they will start to assert themselves.

CASE is going to hire me to put a foot in the ass in of some these dealerships that aint gettin it done. I will show up in my Power Tan Oflauge with my "little friend" and have a wake up call.

[Lazer_Z]

There was a big change in your area that hopefully will result in a larger CASE presence. Briggs bought up a lot of the dealerships in the SE USA. Hopefully they will start to assert themselves.

CASE is going to hire me to put a foot in the ass in of some these dealerships that aint gettin it done. I will show up in my Power Tan Oflauge with my "little friend" and have a wake up call. Is this so? I guess that means you'll be making a trip out here to Jersey then to TRICO Equipment. I kid you not when I say I've seen maybe 2 "newer" Case skids, one tracked and one wheeled. I can't remember if the tracked was a Series 3 or not, but I think it was a 445CT, I don't know what the wheeled one was might have been a 440.

TRICO, As far as I can see doesn't push the skids and CT's, they are huge on rental equipment though, pretty much anything you want. I see more CAT and Bobcat (more so CAT) being used around my area then Case and JD.

[Tigerotor77W]

I have demoed against a S300 with steel tracks in mud with a T190 and sent the S300 packing....

What exactly were you doing that made the T190 outperform an S300 with OTT?

[AWJ Services]

I need to call Briggs and get me a demo so I can push that Case around with my Hooch

[ksss]

I need to call Briggs and get me a demo so I can push that Case around with my Hooch

Becareful, you might get surprised. The 440 was more than a match for the 140 in AZ. Give it a try and tell us what you think.

[ksss]

What exactly were you doing that made the T190 outperform an S300 with OTT?


I was curious about that as well. Doesn't seem possible to me.

[stuvecorp]

In our area when Cat came in it seems like everybody ran for the corner and let them take the market share. Case went from the machines to an afterthought except to the loyal guys. It does seem like Bobcat did okay but Cat was very aggressive, they would do just about anything to get you in a skid. I would say that NH lost big in the last couple years also.

Kaiser, I think you may need to tour the Case dealerships and work them over.

[mrsops]

Is this so? I guess that means you'll be making a trip out here to Jersey then to TRICO Equipment. I kid you not when I say I've seen maybe 2 "newer" Case skids, one tracked and one wheeled. I can't remember if the tracked was a Series 3 or not, but I think it was a 445CT, I don't know what the wheeled one was might have been a 440.

TRICO, As far as I can see doesn't push the skids and CT's, they are huge on rental equipment though, pretty much anything you want. I see more CAT and Bobcat (more so CAT) being used around my area then Case and JD.

same here lazer and your not far from me at all. I haven't seen 1 case ct machine i seen maybe 2 case skid steers out here in new york and one of them was a newer one. Bobcat and cat are just all over the place out here more bobcat, then you will see some deere and new holland.

[AWJ Services]

Becareful, you might get surprised. The 440 was more than a match for the 140 in AZ. Give it a try and tell us what you think.

I would be curious as well.
The Tackeuchi would have the advantage because I am familiar with how to make it work the best.
It would take me some seat time to get the Case working the way it should.

[SellingIron]

What exactly were you doing that made the T190 outperform an S300 with OTT?

This was in PA..2003 Had a customer with a S300 w/steel tracks that was trying to dig out a foundation for a basement. He had to run Sticky clay up the hill about 30 feet and dump it in his truck. I have been trying to get him into a CTL for 6 months. He worried that the rubber tracks would get cut up from the sharp rocks in PA clay...His S300 was to heavy for him to turn up the hill with a load of dirt. It was sinking in the clay when he went to turn..It is was making a hugh rut.... I brought over a T190 and his operator jumped in and took the same path as the S300. I could not believe my eyes when he got a load of clay took the turn and powered right up the hill and dumped into his truck. That was a 56HP with 12" tracks T190...

[ksss]

I think that Case does make a pretty good skid steer. Personally, I don't think higher engine hp, engine torque, rim pull, by themselves make the best skid but Case's machines have good specs.

I agree these specs by themselves don't make them best. The performance of the machine is what really matters. Overall I think CASE does a good job putting that performance in a good working package. The best in every area, no but overall I think its a good package.


I think their biggest issue is their dealer network.

There is no doubt that CASE has some dealer issues. Not so much with the number of dealers which I believe is just under 400, but rather those dealers committment to the CE line. CASE and CASE/IH dealers cover a lot ground and while I don't know how they compare with everyone else as far as numbers, but it should be on par with Deere and Bobcat. CASE needs to force their dealers to push the compact CE line like Deere is doing to their AG dealers. Deere dealers must carry a certain amount of compact Deere CE machines and they have to move them just like they were green tractors. The CASE CE dealers do a better job. Everywhere there is a large CASE CE dealership they have marketshare, at least in the areas that I travel. The ag dealers as a whole have been dropping the ball in my opinion.


I definitely think the 400 Series is better than the New Holland machines but New Holland has a better market share nationally by a pretty good margin.

The 400 series machines I have been very impressive. Much like the B series for CAT, CASE should have taken it farther. However what they did do, they did well. They should have included the Series 3 cab as a 400 series release, same with the pilot controls. What really keeps me coming back to CASE skid steers has been the reliablity. The 2 400 series machines that I have anyway have been almost flawless to 1500 hours anyway, and there is no free lunch in my operation for a skid steer. The NH skid steers are popular, why I never understood and likely never will. CNH has started putting alot of the CASE powertrain in the NH machines. This has given the NH machines power they have never had in the past. They are not built as heavy at least they weren't when I toured the plant, but they are getting some of the CASE components. That will likely make NH even more popular.

Go figure. I think Takeuchi makes a good CTL (behind ASV- I do believe that but I'm biased because I own one) but once again their dealer network is only strong in some areas. Bobcat and CAT have overall strong dealer networks and they are #1 & #2 for both skids and CTLs.



Nationally strong dealers that offer knowledgeable sales people and good product support win in the end. I think IHI makes a very good mini-ex but their dealer network is actually worse than ASV's.

If ASV had a good network they would be #2 ahead of CAT because head to head the CAT machines can't compete.

I think this applies to other machines as well. Head to head Bobcat is not as good as their position in the industry would suggest. Like I said. Sometimes the power of the name is more powerful than the equipment.

I am glad I am not the only one that feels the same way about IHI. They are in my opinion topshelf equipment. They don't get the press that others get but they are good kit, no doubt. IHI's dealer network is poor, although Compact Equipment in Etown, KY does a great job in supporting IHI, having a local dealership makes owners feel better. I wish someone like Volvo, Gehl, or the like would rebadge the IHI machines. If some one with a larger dealer network would market the IHI machines, I think they would really move.

[bobcat_ron]

This was in PA..2003 Had a customer with a S300 w/steel tracks that was trying to dig out a foundation for a basement. He had to run Sticky clay up the hill about 30 feet and dump it in his truck. I have been trying to get him into a CTL for 6 months. He worried that the rubber tracks would get cut up from the sharp rocks in PA clay...His S300 was to heavy for him to turn up the hill with a load of dirt. It was sinking in the clay when he went to turn..It is was making a hugh rut.... I brought over a T190 and his operator jumped in and took the same path as the S300. I could not believe my eyes when he got a load of clay took the turn and powered right up the hill and dumped into his truck. That was a 56HP with 12" tracks T190...

A lighter machine with the same footprint, that's all it was.

[ksss]

This was in PA..2003 Had a customer with a S300 w/steel tracks that was trying to dig out a foundation for a basement. He had to run Sticky clay up the hill about 30 feet and dump it in his truck. I have been trying to get him into a CTL for 6 months. He worried that the rubber tracks would get cut up from the sharp rocks in PA clay...His S300 was to heavy for him to turn up the hill with a load of dirt. It was sinking in the clay when he went to turn..It is was making a hugh rut.... I brought over a T190 and his operator jumped in and took the same path as the S300. I could not believe my eyes when he got a load of clay took the turn and powered right up the hill and dumped into his truck. That was a 56HP with 12" tracks T190...


Would the 300 done better with floatation type tracks the Trailblazer type? I am assuming that the tracks were small bar type grouser tracks.

[SellingIron]

I don't think any steel track would have helped him. They were grouser tracks. Its a heavy setup that wasn't working. The customer was shocked that it did it so easily..

[iron peddler]

I would be curious as well.
The Tackeuchi would have the advantage because I am familiar with how to make it work the best.
It would take me some seat time to get the Case working the way it should.

that was the smartest statement to date on this thread!

[Tigerotor77W]

Its a heavy setup that wasn't working.

Naturally, I would have other questions about track tension and hydraulic adjustment of the S300, but a win's a win and this is, after all, your own terrain... this is an interesting story nonetheless. :)

[Junior M]

same here lazer and your not far from me at all. I haven't seen 1 case ct machine i seen maybe 2 case skid steers out here in new york and one of them was a newer one. Bobcat and cat are just all over the place out here more bobcat, then you will see some deere and new holland.
I've seen one old Case 1845(I think thats it) here, nobody else uses them, and its the same with Deere, and there's two crews that use New Hollands, the guy I worked for, and one brick layer. Everybody else uses Bobcat and CAT, more so Bobcat lately, alot of guys invested in MTL's when CAT first started, and didnt realize the cost of the undercarriage rebuild, and it didnt help they didnt care what they ran on either. And there's one crew that had CAT mtl's and they switched to Takkies as a kinda slap in the Face to Blanchard Caterpillar because they run nothing but CAT equipment..

And Briggs Case here, really sucks, I never see there equipment around, never even rentals. I've seen there service trucks only a couple times, but they sell Kobelco trackhoes to, which I see more Kobelco equipment than Case. But people here are die hard CAT, kinda like GR is about Ford and they wont even try another brand. I dont like the CAT dealer service, there just to big, its like they dont care, we're just a drip in the lake, not a big deal at all if they make us happy or not they got bigger companies that make them more money. But I've started to notice more of the smaller companies goin to Bobcat because our dealer actually cares because they arent as big of a company, plus our Bobcat Dealer hates Blanchard CAT, Blanchard bought there building lease out from under Bobcat with two different buildings. So Bobcat bought the lot right across the street from CAT

[Digdeep]

....plus our Bobcat Dealer hates Blanchard CAT, Blanchard bought there building lease out from under Bobcat with two different buildings. So Bobcat bought the lot right across the street from CAT

The CAT dealer in South Carolina didn't just buy the lease out from under their feet...the CAT dealer almost bought out the entire Bobcat dealer network from one guy in South Carolina. I know the guy who was the GM of the Bobcat dealer down there when the CAT dealer bought them. He used to work for Bobcat (SD boy) before he went to work for the dealership(s) and went over to CAT when they bought them. I don't know if he still works for CAT but I do know that Bobcat had to send one of their best from ND down to SC to set up the dealer network again. It was interesting.

[Digdeep]

I've seen one old Case 1845(I think thats it) here, nobody else uses them,

Case 1845- one of the best skids ever manufactured IMHO.

[Digdeep]

I think this applies to other machines as well. Head to head Bobcat is not as good as their position in the industry would suggest. Like I said. Sometimes the power of the name is more powerful than the equipment.

I am glad I am not the only one that feels the same way about IHI. They are in my opinion topshelf equipment. They don't get the press that others get but they are good kit, no doubt. IHI's dealer network is poor, although Compact Equipment in Etown, KY does a great job in supporting IHI, having a local dealership makes owners feel better. I wish someone like Volvo, Gehl, or the like would rebadge the IHI machines. If some one with a larger dealer network would market the IHI machines, I think they would really move.

I think IHI make one of the best mini's- great performance, very reliable, quiet, fuel efficient, good visibility and good price.

[Junior M]

The CAT dealer in South Carolina didn't just buy the lease out from under their feet...the CAT dealer almost bought out the entire Bobcat dealer network from one guy in South Carolina. I know the guy who was the GM of the Bobcat dealer down there when the CAT dealer bought them. He used to work for Bobcat (SD boy) before he went to work for the dealership(s) and went over to CAT when they bought them. I don't know if he still works for CAT but I do know that Bobcat had to send one of their best from ND down to SC to set up the dealer network again. It was interesting.
Oh, I never knew all that, but I know Bobcat got moved around alot during that time, and they got alot of new employees. SD boy, he worked for the Bobcat dealership here? You wouldnt happen to know which dealer he worked at? You wouldnt happen to know his real name would you? I didnt know all that, I just knew CAT bought the leases out. But since all that went on Bobcat has became alot more organized and now all 3 dealerships in SC are owned by one guy, SE equipment. I think SE equipment owned all 3 dealerships before, I am not sure, I wasnt really around Bobcat that much then..

[Junior M]

I think IHI make one of the best mini's- great performance, very reliable, quiet, fuel efficient, good visibility and good price.
Very true, I really like IHI, but like KSSS said the dealer support just isnt there..

[Digdeep]

Oh, I never knew all that, but I know Bobcat got moved around alot during that time, and they got alot of new employees. SD boy, he worked for the Bobcat dealership here? You wouldnt happen to know which dealer he worked at? You wouldnt happen to know his real name would you? I didnt know all that, I just knew CAT bought the leases out. But since all that went on Bobcat has became alot more organized and now all 3 dealerships in SC are owned by one guy, SE equipment. I think SE equipment owned all 3 dealerships before, I am not sure, I wasnt really around Bobcat that much then..

I knew the guy from when he was a rep and used to call on my Bobcat dealership in WI. he became a regional manager for Bobcat and then went to work for the dealership (its actually pretty common for reps to go to work for dealers-more money). I won't name him because I don't know if he still works for the CAT dealer or works for someone else now.

[stuvecorp]

The CAT dealer in South Carolina didn't just buy the lease out from under their feet...the CAT dealer almost bought out the entire Bobcat dealer network from one guy in South Carolina. I know the guy who was the GM of the Bobcat dealer down there when the CAT dealer bought them. He used to work for Bobcat (SD boy) before he went to work for the dealership(s) and went over to CAT when they bought them. I don't know if he still works for CAT but I do know that Bobcat had to send one of their best from ND down to SC to set up the dealer network again. It was interesting.

I'm surprised that more monkey business doesn't go on between brands.

[hardscaper]

The only problem is that the roller system robs the machines of ROC, the T320's is 2800 pounds, down from 3200, and it adds more weight to the machine, and you loose ROC with the R/S.
You might as well buy a T300 then for the value of the T320, but then you get back in the cycle of stupidness, the Cormidi Iron Horse has the system I want, similar to the D8-D11 Cat hy-drive roller bogies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=093EvSKsQpE

Check this cormidi out

[duke12]

looks like a freakin spaceship

[Junior M]

I love that cab...

[SellingIron]

Holy,,,, JC Whitney batman... It looks like they went through the JC catalog and designed the inside of the cab.. What is with the racro racing seat.. I guess who or what is ever behind you, they are up sH!ts creek...It is good to see a different design out there. Is it coming to the states?????

[Junior M]

I just noticed, out of all that fancy crap, it still has that crappy little turning hour meter.. :laugh:

I hope it comes to the states, I'd like to see one up close.. And I would be Ronnie will have one of them if they came over to North America..

[all ferris]

Is the little panel inside the cab above the door a backup camera display?

[kreft]

Thats awesome!!

[bobcat_ron]

Yikes! You can't see over the seat!

[SellingIron]

I'm sure it's a camera display... You can get one for around $150.00....It is neat looking.. Those idot lights and hour meter are a little shady...

[bobcat_ron]

Does anyone notice where the CD/radio is? Now that could be an exspensive problem when getting in/out with muddy boots all day!
There is a flip down cover, but what a PITA to flip that up to adjust the volume!

[Scag48]

Ha, that cab reminds me of my snowcat, only difference is that all the stuff in my snowcat is useful and not crappy. That's too much stuff for a skid IMO, there isn't THAT much going in there to justify that much crap.

[stuvecorp]

I gotta pick on not having side screens. We gave CC such a hard time on that so how could that slip now? I like the seat but would have to have it lower on the back. I guess 'Pimp My Skid' is coming to a TV near you.

[ccstrebe]

I gotta pick on not having side screens. We gave CC such a hard time on that so how could that slip now? I like the seat but would have to have it lower on the back. I guess 'Pimp My Skid' is coming to a TV near you.

I was just going to say................. wouldn't have to do my infamous rops mod on that CTL.

[ksss]

I was just going to say................. wouldn't have to do my infamous rops mod on that CTL.



Could you imagine what that glass would cost to replace?:dizzy:

Sexy little loader though. Inside looks a little tachy but, that is likely just how they roll in Italy.

[Tigerotor77W]

How did you dig up a six-month old thread?!?

[YellowDogSVC]

that suspension seat is a joke! I weight 135 or so and it bottoms out with me on it..

I want to look at a 190 with the suspension but if it is set up similar to the 300/320 we wont ever have it, seems like they will wear faster that way..

I have turds that weigh more than you.
If you were in the bobcat, your seat was broke. I have had a couple of seats that came from the factory that bottomed out and were replaced. Dang, I got hooked into replying to an old thread!

[Junior M]

How did you dig up a six-month old thread?!?
Its shane, who knows, they probably already planted the taters, and the taterfest fair is over and now they are waiting to pick them so he's got nothing better to do than drool on his keyboard while staring at "them there letters"

:laugh: :laugh:

And yellow, the last T190 and the T300, the seats are both fine in them, I think you are right, they are just broken..

[ksss]

Its shane, who knows, they probably already planted the taters, and the taterfest fair is over and now they are waiting to pick them so he's got nothing better to do than drool on his keyboard while staring at "them there letters"

:laugh: :laugh:

And yellow, the last T190 and the T300, the seats are both fine in them, I think you are right, they are just broken..

Ahh I did not bring it up, some one else must have resurrected it. I just added to it again.

Yes, tator days are over.:cry:

[Junior M]

Umm, Shane, go look at your post, its the most recent one, the last one before yours was in Feburary.. :hammerhead: :laugh: