New work truck

[Dirtman2007]

Well as of yesterday I started looking for a new truck, I've got an 04 F250 that's finally got to go. I've had problems with it in the past and they are starting to show up again. I found this truck, it's a 08 with 25,000 miles on it. I went and looked at it today and drove it some, I really liked it. Just wanted a few more opinons on this before I go any further with the deal. Anyone have one and care to share some info on them.

The link to the truck
http://crossroads-ford-wake-forest.ebizautos.com/detail-2008-ford-f~250_super_duty-4wd-3472649.html

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/001-71.jpg

[Junior M]

She sure is purty, the 6.4 me and my old boss worked out of was a beast, it had all the power it need for a 350, only thing that sucked was fuel mileage...

Wont the colors match your bosses truck?

[Dirtman2007]

She sure is purty, the 6.4 me and my old boss worked out of was a beast, it had all the power it need for a 350, only thing that sucked was fuel mileage...

Wont the colors match your bosses truck?

my bosses truck is solid white and the plain jane work truck. This will be my everyday truck so want it to be nice and go with the lariat. I run all my fuel through the company so I'm not to worried about that.

I looked at this one yesterday, but It was way out of my price range:laugh:

but I loved it!!!

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/009-33.jpg

[Junior M]

I dont like that one,kinda tacky imo. I think you need one of those cabover dumps in the background, it'd be perfect, you would have an onsite dump truck, a DD, and a truck that gets good fuel mileage all in one! :laugh:

If your not worried about fuel, then go for it...

[bobcat_ron]

The only negative problem with Ford's new trucks is the cost a pile of cash to fix any engine related issue, my dealer has a pic of the entire hood and fenders up in the air to services the engine, that's scary, especially if something needs to be repaired and warranty doesn't cover it.

[Gravel Rat]

If I was buying a 08 or 09 Ford P/U it would be a V-10 powered truck no 6.4 diesel for me. I don't want the pain when I sit down after getting a 6.4 powered truck fixed.

As for fuel mileage the 6.4 isn't going to get much better than a V-10 and I have been told the 6.4 isn't that great power wise.

My first choice would be to find a 07 Ford with a 6.0 with low miles other than that no diesel P/Us for me. All that emmisions crap isn't worth it especially when the warranty runs out.

[stuvecorp]

The only negative problem with Ford's new trucks is the cost a pile of cash to fix any engine related issue, my dealer has a pic of the entire hood and fenders up in the air to services the engine, that's scary, especially if something needs to be repaired and warranty doesn't cover it.

Why didn't they just make the front tilt or lift off to make servicing easier? The 6.4 just scares me and I have heard that from loyal Ford guys. I don't like the new front end, way too ugly.

[J. Peterson Grading]

I have had a verrrrrrrrry good december, so I put a down payment on a new F150 and am going to pay it off in CASH next week.

J.

[CAT powered]

STAY AWAY.

6.4 = bad news

You need to remove the entire cab from the truck in order to service parts of the engine/trans. I second the motion to find an 07 six liter with low miles.

Everyone else seems to like the looks of the 08 trucks, but to be quite honest I think they are BUTT ugly.

[qualitylawnpro]

These new front ends are ugly! Now theyve made the new 09 f-150 look like the bigger trucks.

[Gravel Rat]

You want to see ugly the 08-09s with the XL black grill with the seal beam head lights talk about hideous :laugh:

I had a look at my brothers buddies F-350 Crewcabs I had one look under the hood and said no way I would own a 6.4 powered truck. Too much junk crammed under the hood.

[ksss]

The EPA has really put the entire diesel market on its head. The ridiculous idea of burning more fuel to make less emissions is crazy. There is no reason these trucks should be getting 12-14 mpg unloaded. My 01-03 Dmax trucks were getting over 20.

The twin turbo idea behind the 6.4 complicates the truck way more than it needs to be in my opinion. That is an whole lot plumbing to put under the hood of pickup, and for what? Give it more go off the line? Start with a better block and a better turbo, I am sure they wont make that mistake again with the 6.7 liter engine. Owning one under warranty may not be bad, not sure you could own one outside of warranty. It will be interesting to see how these trucks resale with some miles on them.

As far as looks on the new trucks the higher trim levels look alright. Ford does a fantastic job on the interiors of their highest trim level trucks. I really like the leather in their King Ranch trucks.

I plan on using my current diesels for towing only and run the wheels off the cheap gas trucks for everything else. I think we have only seen the begining of cyclic fuel prices. That makes the resale on these diesels cyclic as well. My thinking is to use them to make money, keep the unneccessary miles to a mininum, and get as many miles as possible out of them before trading them off. Especially since I have the pre 07 models for business currently.

[Gravel Rat]

It is cheaper now to buy a medium duty truck to do any heavy towing or equipment moving and have a regular gas pot pick up for the day to day running around.

You get a truck over the certain gvw range where all the strict emmision **it isn't all over the engine. So a truck like a truck powered with a C7 Cat or C series Cummins or a Hino truck with Hino power.

Take for example a 258 Hino Low pro it has 220hp and 520ftlb 6cyl engine with a 6spd manual or 2200 Alison auto. The truck has a 25,000lb gvw ya you would need a CDL to pull a trailer. The truck would get decent fuel mileage and its easy to work on.

[lifetree]

I have had a verrrrrrrrry good december, so I put a down payment on a new F150 and am going to pay it off in CASH next week.

J.

Congratulations !!

[lifetree]

I have a 2005 F-150, 4.6 L V-8, and it scares me what I might have to pay to have that thing repaired if it something needs to be replaced !! Like everyone else, I would suggest a gas engine, not diesel.

[Junior M]

I have a 2005 F-150, 4.6 L V-8, and it scares me what I might have to pay to have that thing repaired if it something needs to be replaced !! Like everyone else, I would suggest a gas engine, not diesel.
For pulling that Takkie around, I wouldnt go with anything but a diesel, especially in a 2500, now if he wanted a 1ton truck, then gas would be fine, but for pullin an 11k loader with a 250, I think the diesel is the better option here, but maybe not the 6.4...

[talus]

Dirtman, I say go for it. I think it's only going to get worse for diesel emission crap. I picked up a 08 in april. I have a love hate relationship with it. Towing with the 6.4 is far better that the 7.3 I had. Unloaded though,I would rather have the 7.3. Same hills(it's Rhode Island so they are not that big) I could climb and maintain my speed effortlessly. The 6.4 I have to step on the pedal halfway up to keep the same speed. The 7.3 had 4.10's and the 6.4 has 3.73's. Not sure if this is part of it or not. Like others stated you do have to lift the cab off the frame to get to stuff which is stupid but it is what it is. I looked at all the big three diesels and had likes and dislikes with all of them. I've got almost 15k on it now. No problems as of yet. The mpg's have been 15-16 mix city highway. It'll get 18-19 if I keep the rpm's around 1800 on the highway(unloaded). Thats around 63mph. Towing the sr 80 it's 10 mpg. 12.5k. Towing the horse trailer it's 12 mpg. 4500lbs. Look at Spartan tuners. They claim better fuel economy with their 210 hp tune. They also have the dpf delete. The dash daq is awesome looking and guys rave about them on the diesel forums. Is fully customizeable. FWIW my 08 is a f350 4x4 crew cab long bed fx4. That truck has 18'' wheels. Look at the tag on the axles. Unless it was orderd with 4.10's it will probably have 3.55's. The 3.73's only come on the trucks with the 20'' wheels. This is what I was told anyway.

[Fieldman12]

Im a die hard diesel man. I bought a new 07 Duramax last year but I honestly tell other people looking at new trucks of any brand to buy a gas. It cost around +- 7,000.00 just for the diesel motor as an option, the fuel is a little higher per gallon and there is a little more maintenance involved. The added fuel mileage that people use to get with a diesel is disolving. Also as ksss, mentioned they are making these things less and less dependable all the time with the added polution, more turbos and so on. If your going from a money stand point of view as far as most bang for the buck the gas will when at this present time.

[talus]

That truck is also probably a job 1(first batch). These trucks were known to have some problems with radiators and something to do with the venturi t. You can usually tell by the short front air dam under the front bumper. Look at a new one on the lot and you'll see what I'm talking about. The longer front air dam is supposed to make the air under the truck less turbulent and improve the mpg's. I leveld mine out and was going to take it right off because I think it would look better but did some checking around and this is the info I got.

[Dirtman2007]

Dirtman, I say go for it. I think it's only going to get worse for diesel emission crap. I picked up a 08 in april. I have a love hate relationship with it. Towing with the 6.4 is far better that the 7.3 I had. Unloaded though,I would rather have the 7.3. Same hills(it's Rhode Island so they are not that big) I could climb and maintain my speed effortlessly. The 6.4 I have to step on the pedal halfway up to keep the same speed. The 7.3 had 4.10's and the 6.4 has 3.73's. Not sure if this is part of it or not. Like others stated you do have to lift the cab off the frame to get to stuff which is stupid but it is what it is. I looked at all the big three diesels and had likes and dislikes with all of them. I've got almost 15k on it now. No problems as of yet. The mpg's have been 15-16 mix city highway. It'll get 18-19 if I keep the rpm's around 1800 on the highway(unloaded). Thats around 63mph. Towing the sr 80 it's 10 mpg. 12.5k. Towing the horse trailer it's 12 mpg. 4500lbs. Look at Spartan tuners. They claim better fuel economy with their 210 hp tune. They also have the dpf delete. The dash daq is awesome looking and guys rave about them on the diesel forums. Is fully customizeable. FWIW my 08 is a f350 4x4 crew cab long bed fx4. That truck has 18'' wheels. Look at the tag on the axles. Unless it was orderd with 4.10's it will probably have 3.55's. The 3.73's only come on the trucks with the 20'' wheels. This is what I was told anyway.

Yeah I'm really thinking hard about it. I'll be pulling the skid steer with the trailer that has a combined weight of 17+K, I know... heavy as hell. I need a diesel for that, I'm not a big fan of the V10 either. I will agree the ford interior is by far the best out there in these trucks!

[Junior M]

Yeah I'm really thinking hard about it. I'll be pulling the skid steer with the trailer that has a combined weight of 17+K, I know... heavy as hell. I need a diesel for that, I'm not a big fan of the V10 either. I will agree the ford interior is by far the best out there in these trucks!
Exactly, thats what I was saying, these people that talk about expenses and maintenance, thats BS, when your pulling that much weight you need a diesel. And for fuel a V10 sucks just as much fuel as the 6.4. and the maintenance doesnt cost anymore than a gas motor. They are just about equal, other than upfront price, and if your goin to use the diesel then go for it. It would be different if say, I was buying a truck, I could get by with a gas motor because I dont use it everyday and dont pull enough to really have the need for a diesel..

[Dirtman2007]

Exactly, thats what I was saying, these people that talk about expenses and maintenance, thats BS, when your pulling that much weight you need a diesel. And for fuel a V10 sucks just as much fuel as the 6.4. and the maintenance doesnt cost anymore than a gas motor. They are just about equal, other than upfront price, and if your goin to use the diesel then go for it. It would be different if say, I was buying a truck, I could get by with a gas motor because I dont use it everyday and dont pull enough to really have the need for a diesel..

It's quite too, could not get over that. my 04 sounds like a tin cab full of bolts rattling :laugh:

[Junior M]

It's quite too, could not get over that. my 04 sounds like a tin cab full of bolts rattling :laugh:
Your 7.3 isnt nearly as bad sounding as the mid to late 90's 5.9 cummins, they were loud, and always sounded like something was broke. :laugh: :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Your 7.3 isnt nearly as bad sounding as the mid to late 90's 5.9 cummins, they were loud, and always sounded like something was broke. :laugh: :laugh:

It's a 6.0, AKA a POS... atleast the 04 models are

[Junior M]

It's a 6.0, AKA a POS... atleast the 04 models are
So thats why your sellin it, cause you got an uhoh 6.0! :laugh:

Oh, well either way the Powerjokes really all sound the same anyways.:laugh:

[CAT powered]

Not anywhere close to the same, Junior. My son just bought himself his first truck on Monday. He bought a late 99 F350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3 diesel. With my 6.0 and his 7.3 idling in the driveway I can definitely tell the difference in sound.

The 6.4s are very quiet compared to a 6 liter.

And note to Junior:

From 94.5-03 was the 7.3L PowerStroke. 94.5-97 was a different 7.3 than 99-03 however. As for 98 no 98 model year trucks were ever produced. That is when the SuperDuty was born. Some 99s were manufactured in 98 and are therefore called early 99s. Others were made in 99 and they are late 99s. There are some slight differences between them.

In 03 part way through the year they went to the 6.0L PowerStroke. The 03s and 04s were total junk. They put the 6.0 in Fords until 2007 when they switched to the 6.4L PowerStroke.

The 6.4 will be one of Ford's shortest lived diesel engines because Ford and Navistar had a falling out and Ford will no longer put PowerStroke engines, which are manufactured by Navistar, in their trucks. The new Ford diesel is known as the 6.7L Scorpion.

I don't know when they are going to switch to the in-house manufactured 6.7 Scorpion, but it can't be too far off.

[Junior M]

Not anywhere close to the same, Junior. My son just bought himself his first truck on Monday. He bought a late 99 F350 4x4 XLT with a 7.3 diesel. With my 6.0 and his 7.3 idling in the driveway I can definitely tell the difference in sound.

The 6.4s are very quiet compared to a 6 liter.

And note to Junior:

From 94.5-03 was the 7.3L PowerStroke. 94.5-97 was a different 7.3 than 99-03 however. As for 98 no 98 model year trucks were ever produced. That is when the SuperDuty was born. Some 99s were manufactured in 98 and are therefore called early 99s. Others were made in 99 and they are late 99s. There are some slight differences between them.

In 03 part way through the year they went to the 6.0L PowerStroke. The 03s and 04s were total junk. They put the 6.0 in Fords until 2007 when they switched to the 6.4L PowerStroke.

The 6.4 will be one of Ford's shortest lived diesel engines because Ford and Navistar had a falling out and Ford will no longer put PowerStroke engines, which are manufactured by Navistar, in their trucks. The new Ford diesel is known as the 6.7L Scorpion.

I don't know when they are going to switch to the in-house manufactured 6.7 Scorpion, but it can't be too far off.
I cant tell a difference, it may be just the difference in the way I hear and percieve sounds. Thanks for the lesson CAT, I knew about the last part about the 6.4. I didnt know about them never producing a 98, quite interesting...

[CAT powered]

I try to educate you whenever I can, Junior. It's pretty obvious that our public school system failed you horribly.

[Junior M]

I try to educate you whenever I can, Junior. It's pretty obvious that our public school system failed you horribly.
About real world things like this YES!!!! You will be happy to hear I am taking Diesel Technology next year! :cool2:

On a serious note, thanks for that..

[jefftb]

For fun 2 days ago I drove an F-450 6.4 with 4.88 rear and 24,000 lbs tow capacity. This is a serious tow vehicle with 4.88-the power on tap at any moment is incredible. That being said it will probably get about 10 mpg loaded or unloaded.

I currently have a 7.3 F350 2003 CC Lariat LWB 4X4. I'm moving it to a crew truck. My sights are set on an F350 V10 with 4.30 rear. I've driven the V10 with 4.10 rear and it performed pretty well. The 4.30 combination should approximate the performance of the diesel with less initial cost and less maintenance cost. The difference between gas/diesel MPG will be negated by the higher price of diesel.

There's no doubt the 6.4 is a bump over the 6.0. I've had the 6.0 and driven a 6.4 F250-that thing was astonishing at how fast you hit 100 MPH.

I would only consider the 6.4 diesel in the F450 but you really have to be able to justify the need for the F450. However, there are several used models in my area that might just call my name if I think about it long enough.:drinkup:

[stuvecorp]

I try to educate you whenever I can, Junior. It's pretty obvious that our public school system failed you horribly.

We can take turns homeschooling JR.

We all doing things with these trucks that in the past they never would have tried, they would have used a two ton. The worst part is the equipment keeps getting heavier, I want to move up to a 465 w/VTS which is starting to maybe get a little heavy for a 550 sized truck.

[jefftb]

We can take turns homeschooling JR.

We all doing things with these trucks that in the past they never would have tried, they would have used a two ton. The worst part is the equipment keeps getting heavier, I want to move up to a 465 w/VTS which is starting to maybe get a little heavy for a 550 sized truck.

Yeah, that would be a sizable load at about 11,500 for just the 465/VTS combo.

[Canon Landscaping]

I know where you can get this truck for 38k

08 f450 6.4 auto fully loaded leather all the options fuel tank tool boxes 20k miles 4x4

[stuvecorp]

I know where you can get this truck for 38k

08 f450 6.4 auto fully loaded leather all the options fuel tank tool boxes 20k miles 4x4

I do like those wheels.

[Gravel Rat]

I wouldn't even bother pulling heavy loads with a P/U truck they are not designed to last. A F-450 minimum atleast it has a good rear axle in it aka the S110 Dana it can take some abuse.

For the money like I said I would have a low pro medium duty with a 7 litre 6 cylinder engine like the 466E International or the C-7 Cat. Cheaper to work on more power a engine designed to go the miles. A engine that most heavyduty mechanics can work on. You won't catch a commercial transport mechanic working on a Dodge Cummins.

One of the tow truck operators said to me he won't buy a light duty tow truck anymore gas or diesel not worth it. For the money your putting out for these light duty trucks like the F-450 550 4500-5500 Dodge and or Chevy they just don't last.

The new Ford F-450 P/U truck in my mind is a waste of money they cost well over 50 grand or they do here.

A F-450 or F-550 isn't even worth it as a P+D truck anymore because the engines get poor fuel mileage and the trucks are not reliable.

[CAT powered]

You could always get an International with a T444E that is a REAL engine right there. :weightlifter: :cool2::laugh:

[Gravel Rat]

You want a engine without the emmision crap and no the 444E isn't a contender :laugh:

If your pulling heavy weight daily a pick up isn't going to last you will be replacing tires and rearends and transmissions constantly.

For the cost per mile a medium duty will give you more service in the long run.

If your lucky you can get 4 years out of a P/U truck reliably. Start pulling a heavy trailer your just shortening the life of the truck or worse yet you void the warranty.

[stuvecorp]

You could always get an International with a T444E that is a REAL engine right there. :weightlifter: :cool2::laugh:

That's funny but GR caught that.:)

[coopers]

I just had to put a freakin' new transmission in my 2005 65,000 mile F150. I was more than pissed! Other than that, my truck has been great.

[MudslinginFX4]

Dirtman2007, Ive got a 2008 F450 Lariat that I love. This is my second one though, the first one was a dud. I ended up trading the first on out for the one I have now and couldnt be more happy. I've had it almost a year now and have around 35k on it. These trucks are meant to work, it will pull anything I attach to it without a problem, mine does have a 4:88 rear end though. Go to Capital, they will treat you right.

[Dirtman2007]

Dirtman2007, Ive got a 2008 F450 Lariat that I love. This is my second one though, the first one was a dud. I ended up trading the first on out for the one I have now and couldnt be more happy. I've had it almost a year now and have around 35k on it. These trucks are meant to work, it will pull anything I attach to it without a problem, mine does have a 4:88 rear end though. Go to Capital, they will treat you right.

I went by capital and they only had about a dozen F250 trucks on their lot, they just arn't selling any of them so they don't order very many. This was the only used one I could find that I liked in the area.

[ksss]

I just had to put a freakin' new transmission in my 2005 65,000 mile F150. I was more than pissed! Other than that, my truck has been great.


Ouch! Merry Christmas to you I guess. What does one of those cost these days?

[Junior M]

Ouch! Merry Christmas to you I guess. What does one of those cost these days?
Ksss wants to know because he has to replace the trannies in his GMC's atleast once a month, or they start pulling even worse than they did and break even more! :laugh: :laugh:

[ksss]

Ksss wants to know because he has to replace the trannies in his GMC's atleast once a month, or they start pulling even worse than they did and break even more! :laugh: :laugh:


Ah hah, good one Jr. I have never had a tranny problem in any GM product I have ever had. Granted I had a turbo 400 in my 84 3500, and so I missed 700R 4 nightmare of the mid 80's. It is tough to beat the Allison tranny.

[Junior M]

It is tough to beat the Allison tranny.


Very good point.. Cummins+Allison=:weightlifter::clapping::cool2:

[DUSTYCEDAR]

i have looked at the trucks and at this point gas is the ticket
cheaper to buy run and put fuel in
depends on how long you will keep it and run it.
gasser is a buy trash and sell get a new one

[Gravel Rat]

When you consider your paying 8 grand extra for the diesel or its what we pay extra for a brandnew diesel your never going to recoup the costs. Like I said usually when the trucks hit the 4 year mark they start needing repairs. When the warranty runs out watch out.

[Scag48]

When my dad was shopping for a new truck, we shyed away from Ford. He loves his '99 F350 7.3 and would've loved to buy another Ford, but the new 6.4's just aren't reliable and Ford hasn't built them to be easy to work on, I don't care what anyone says. On the flip side, I've yet to hear anything bad about the Allison/Duramax combo from a reliability standpoint. I sure do hate IFS on GM trucks, what a bunch of crap, and the interiors probably won't last, but the motor and tranny I have no doubts of getting up to 150K miles without anything other than routine maintenance.

[Gravel Rat]

If GM kept building 3/4 to 1 ton trucks like they used to with solid front axles (monobeam) on their 4x4 trucks like Ford and Dodge there would be more guys buying them for work trucks.

The IFS GMs don't make very good offroad trucks with low ground clearance etc.

[stuvecorp]

It's funny everyone brags about how long their truck lasts but it seems like once the truck hits 100,000 miles nobody wants it. I would agree it doesn't pencil out money wise but I still want the diesel:hammerhead:.

I have 94 F450 with over 300,000 on it and just about everything has been replaced and it has had a rough life yet I like that truck's toughness compared to the newer ones, the thing that really kills it is fuel mileage other wise I'd probably still run it.

[Junior M]

it doesn't pencil out money wise but I still want the diesel:hammerhead:.


Thats the way I look at it, but over all if you go buy a new F450 to pull, for Chris's sake a TL150, what kinda motor would you rather have? A gas or diesel? and if you are goin to work out of it, as in lots of miles of just driving and pulling, whats goin to last longer? The diesel. Sure number wise and all that other crap doesnt go in diesels favor, but if you think about it in real life, the diesel is still the way to go. How many trucks do you see still running around being worked out of with 300,000miles in say a 2500 with a gas motor? I couldnt name one. The only way I would ever go with a truck of any real size (2500+) with a gas would be if I wasnt goin to keep it for a long time..

[CAT powered]

150k miles? That's all you expect out of a truck?!?!

I expect at least a half million miles out of every diesel pickup truck I buy. I've yet to be disappointed with Ford in that aspect. I had one sold out from under me during some family BS, but other than that all my trucks have done nothing but last. I had an 88 Ford that made the 500k mark before I bought my 2000 7.3 in 2001. Got a good deal on the 2000 that way.

I buy most of my trucks over the 100k mile mark because like Stuvecorp said. All these idiots go out and buy trucks because they're diesels so they'll last longer and all that other BS, but then get rid of them when they get to 100k miles.

I'm looking at a truck in Vermont that has 100k miles on it for a pretty decent deal.

[coopers]

KSSS, $3,100.00. I wasn't a happy camper. But nothing I can do.

[Canon Landscaping]

Ksss wants to know because he has to replace the trannies in his GMC's atleast once a month, or they start pulling even worse than they did and break even more! :laugh: :laugh:

Every truck I own has an allison in it and I have never had any problems from any of them and they have pulled every day of their life. They say the allison will outlast the duramax they are behind some have made it to 500k before rebuild.

[Junior M]

Every truck I own has an allison in it and I have never had any problems from any of them and they have pulled every day of their life. They say the allison will outlast the duramax they are behind some have made it to 500k before rebuild.
I definelty like the allison, I was just messing with KSSS, like always... :laugh:

[Gravel Rat]

The absolute most miles you will get out of a truck here would be 249,000 miles after that your dumping so much money into the truck you might aswell buy a new one. It is a miracle if you get more than that for mileage.

Autoparts in the usa is cheaper than the dirt you walk on so it might be cheap to keep repairing a old truck. For what you pay in the USA the same part I pay 100 dollars more.

Take for a example a old Ford with a 7.3 IDI diesel power your looking at minimum 6-7 grand just to replace the engine a full drop in your looking a 8 grand. For 8 grand you can go put that towards a newer truck. A rebuilt E4OD automatic in a Ford is easy 4-5 grand installed.

A mechanics shop hourly rate ranges from 80 to 120 dollars per hour depending on what it is. The local GM dealer charges something like 110 dollars per hour. Just to look at your truck they charge you for 1 hour.


My current 03 F-450 which needed a rebuilt turbo which cost me 1800 dollars. In the 1.5-2 years I owned the truck it has ate one set of steer tires and starting on the 2nd set. The first set was 650 dollars the second set is about the same. I spent 850 dollars on rear tires when I bought the truck can't run bald tires. New shocks all the way around that cost me over 300 dollars new steering stabilizer.

I will probably run this truck for 4 years or about 155,000 miles and sell the truck all depending on how much money its going to cost me.

The truck is going to need new front brakes in the spring so I'am looking a a grand for a front brake job new rotors and pads maybe calipers too. I do all the work myself. May do the rear brakes too haven't decided yet.

The truck only has 61,000 miles on it and its had 2 sets of steering axle tires 1 set of drive tires oem shocks replaced the turbo replaced. The orginal owner had the clutch replaced and I think the front brakes have been replaced but they need replacing again. I should get through till next winter and have the drive tires changed out the truck should have 75,000 miles on her by then.

The 19.5 tires peal off like toilet paper from the roads especially in the summer time when the pavement is hot. Lucky to get 18,000 miles out of the steer tires at 320 dollars each.

Most contractors here that buy new trucks keep them for 4 years put about 68,000 miles on them in 4 years and trade them in on a new truck. Most contractors don't keep gas or diesel P/U trucks longer than that even if they are bought out right. Some guys lease and some buy outright or finance.

Most people here will rarely buy a diesel P/U truck with more than 125,000 miles. Once a truck is in the 156,000 mile range forget it your going to really have to sell the truck cheap to get rid of it. At 186,000 miles you own the truck for life or sell it for a dollar because nobody wants a diesel with that kind of miles.

I'am not kidding either because a truck with 186,000 miles the wheels are about to fall off. If its a Dodge truck the engine may run and smoke like a b*stard but there won't be much left of the body. The old Chevys with the 6.5 turbo diesel they are on the 3rd engine. There are a few OBS Ford PSDs with that kind of mileage and the poor old trucks are thrashed.

Getting 1/2 a million miles out of any P/U truck is a laugh. To get 800,000kms (500,000 miles) out of a diesel P/U doesn't matter which brand the engine would have been replaced. You would have dumped so much money into the truck you could have bought a new truck.

I would be happier than a pig in poo if I get 156,000 miles out of my F-450.

My brothers 94 Dodge Cummins has 238,000kms (148,000 miles) and the engine smokes and is close to having a rebuild. The blow by from the road draft tube looks like a second exhaust pipe.

To physically put 800,000kms (500,000 miles) on a truck you would have to own the truck for 32 years. The average contractor here puts 15,500 miles on their personal/work truck per year.

[Junior M]

GR, you seem to know alot about the US prices and things for not living here, I've been into the Ford Part department before where they keep a 6.0 and 7.3 (This was before the 6.4) on the floor with tags on them, this was a while ago so dont hold the numbers against me but I think one was 7,400 or 7,500 and one was 6,800. If I understood the little pamphlet that was just to buy the motor. Like I said this was a while ago..

[CAT powered]

500k miles can be done and no it's not easy, but it's cheaper than shelling out 50 grand for a new truck. During the last stages of that 88's life it had a spare starter motor riding on the passengers side floorboards, but other than that it's fine.

I don't know where you get your numbers, GR. I put 1 to 2 hundred miles a day on my trucks. I do a lot of driving.

I work a 6 day week. So let's say I average 150 miles a day.

150 miles a day times 6 days a week = 900 miles a week. Multiply that by 52 weeks a year = 46,800 miles a year. Times the 12 years I owned that truck makes 561,600 miles.

That truck had 1 trans replacement and the original motor when I sold it. I got 2500 bucks for it at auction.

As for tires: You're trying to tell me that new trucks don't wear down tires? Do they ride on puffy clouds or something? As far as I'm concerned 100k miles on a diesel is barely broken in.

[NateV]

These '08s dont turn that well. espically that one being a crew cab long bed, plus once you add your trailer on thats gonna be one long rig. Might be something to think about if your in a lot of tight areas. My dad has the same truck but with the 6.5' bed and it doesnt turn as good as you think it would.

[Dirtman2007]

I think I'm going to pass on the truck as of today, I went and looked at it again and did some number crunching. Payment is going to be a little more than I really would like at the moment Along with the uncertainty of whether I will have enough work to stay busy in the next few months was a major factor. I also start back college next week and that's going to cut down on working hours. Now, I'm looking for something like a 06- 07 F250 with low miles.

[Gravel Rat]

It takes me 4 days to put 150 miles on my truck I can't imagine driving that many miles in one day. I drive about 33 miles a day that takes 1 hour.

Where I live to drive 150 miles would take over 5 hours.

No contractor here in their right mind would drive 150 miles a day. If you have to travel that distance to work everyday you might aswell go broke. You don't get paid driving around in a P/U truck. If you spend 5 hours a day driving around that costs you money.

Most contractors will not do jobs if you have to drive 1 hour each way from the home terminal (shop/yard). A 1 hour drive is 36 miles. Most jobs contractors do are 30 mins away from the shop so 18 miles.

A gravel truck may put 200 miles on in a day hauling from the pit to the jobsite in a 8 hour day.

For me to drive 3 hours from where I live to the landscape supply and back with my F-450 it is 30 dollars in fuel. My brother F-350 flatdeck with the 460 will burn 44 dollars in fuel. My brothers 94 Dodge Cummins 24 dollars and it weighs 2300lbs less than my F-450.

There is no straight freeways where I live and the average speed limit is 37 mph with 50mph on the straight sections.

One of the contractors who is a friend of the familly he traded his truck in and it had 109,000kms on it 67,700 miles he only put 16,900 miles a year on his truck over the 4 years which is what most contractors put on their truck per year. He actually drives more than most contractors that also includes the hunting trips each year so you can say 500 miles a year just for hunting trips.

Most people I know don't drive all over hells half acre its expensive especially if your not getting paid for it. With the price of diesel fuel at 3.33 a gallon your not going for a drive around. When my brothers friends traded in their 03 6.0s for 08 6.4s their trucks had 44,000 miles on them.

My First F-Superduty (F-450) which was a 88 only had 160,000kms 99,400 miles on it. My second F-Superduty had 310,000kms 192,000 miles the orginal motor 7.3 IDI died and the truck was beat to snot.

To see a pick up truck with 500,000 miles here would have to be put in the book of world records.

Like I said before there is a big difference where you have straight freeways where you can drive accross the state without making a turn.

Why do you think when your a truck driver your paid by the hour and not by the mile. If you were paid by the mile you wouldn't be making much money.

As for finding a truck search through the repo places

Here is a example of a repo'ed trucks in B.C. its cheap

http://bc.repo.com/details/32021

http://bc.repo.com/details/32944

[CAT powered]

Between scouting out different properties for assorted stuff, bidding jobs, running parts, getting fuel, fueling machinery 150 a day is a decent average for me. That's about 6 hours of running around that gets done almost daily. Sometimes I'll have days where I'm not in the truck except to get to a site 15 minutes away and some days I'm in the truck all day. It depends on my day. If I'm going up to Vermont which is like a 3.5 hour ride I can spend 7 hours in the truck averaging 70-75mph. That's about 500 miles. For example I'm likely going up to Vermont soon to look at a 7.3L with 100k miles on it. It's got a flatbed on it with every type of hitch imaginable and it's got a Fisher plow mount. It is owned by a trailer dealership so they wanted it to fit any trailer. It's got a 5th wheel mount and bumper pull. Plus you can somehow hook any type of electrical connection. Whether they have a billion plugs on it or they switch em out I don't know, but I was told I could hook on pretty much any trailer and have a plug for it.

[VirginiaLawnCare]

Sure am glad its a diesel I don't understand all the people buying 250s on here with gas engines.

[treemover]

It takes me 4 days to put 150 miles on my truck I can't imagine driving that many miles in one day. I drive about 33 miles a day that takes 1 hour.

Where I live to drive 150 miles would take over 5 hours.

No contractor here in their right mind would drive 150 miles a day. If you have to travel that distance to work everyday you might aswell go broke. You don't get paid driving around in a P/U truck. If you spend 5 hours a day driving around that costs you money.

Most contractors will not do jobs if you have to drive 1 hour each way from the home terminal (shop/yard). A 1 hour drive is 36 miles. Most jobs contractors do are 30 mins away from the shop so 18 miles.

A gravel truck may put 200 miles on in a day hauling from the pit to the jobsite in a 8 hour day.

For me to drive 3 hours from where I live to the landscape supply and back with my F-450 it is 30 dollars in fuel. My brother F-350 flatdeck with the 460 will burn 44 dollars in fuel. My brothers 94 Dodge Cummins 24 dollars and it weighs 2300lbs less than my F-450.

There is no straight freeways where I live and the average speed limit is 37 mph with 50mph on the straight sections.

One of the contractors who is a friend of the familly he traded his truck in and it had 109,000kms on it 67,700 miles he only put 16,900 miles a year on his truck over the 4 years which is what most contractors put on their truck per year. He actually drives more than most contractors that also includes the hunting trips each year so you can say 500 miles a year just for hunting trips.

Most people I know don't drive all over hells half acre its expensive especially if your not getting paid for it. With the price of diesel fuel at 3.33 a gallon your not going for a drive around. When my brothers friends traded in their 03 6.0s for 08 6.4s their trucks had 44,000 miles on them.

My First F-Superduty (F-450) which was a 88 only had 160,000kms 99,400 miles on it. My second F-Superduty had 310,000kms 192,000 miles the orginal motor 7.3 IDI died and the truck was beat to snot.

To see a pick up truck with 500,000 miles here would have to be put in the book of world records.

Like I said before there is a big difference where you have straight freeways where you can drive accross the state without making a turn.

Why do you think when your a truck driver your paid by the hour and not by the mile. If you were paid by the mile you wouldn't be making much money.

As for finding a truck search through the repo places

Here is a example of a repo'ed trucks in B.C. its cheap

http://bc.repo.com/details/32021


Why cant people have intelligent conversation on here. Being a contractor and only 16k a year come on, 148k on a cummins and need a rebuild= no maintenance. i average 42K a year on my pick ups and have two service trucks (dodge cummins) 500k plus on original motors no rebuilds in the future

[Gravel Rat]

Like I said we don't need to drive all over the country side for work. A contractor makes money running equipment not driving their P/U truck. What a big waste of fuel if your driving all over the place. If you have to drive 150 miles for your work move closer to your work.

Makes you wonder how you guys make any money if you have to haul your equipment those kinds of distances.

Most building contractor hate taking jobs on that requires them to travel over a hour to get to work. It seriously cuts into your personal/familly time you have to get up at 5am to get to the jobsite at 7:30. During the fall with short daylight hours you go to work and go home to work in the dark.

No offence but its stupidity to spend that much time behind a vehical that doesn't make you money it costs you money.

As for my brothers Dodge Cummins it does need a rebuild it won't even start without a block heater because the compression is too low. I know you guys don't beleive me but Cummins 5.9 engines don't last any longer than Powerstrokes. The highest kilomterage Dodge Cummins truck in the area is 350,000kms the truck is dead a 89 model 1 ton dually 4x4. There is still a few old IDI powered Fords running around with 400,000kms.

You CANNOT get 500,000 miles out of a Dodge Cummins truck here unless your pushing it by hand. Maybe where the engine never works hard the engine will last but when your pegged to the governer all the time and foot to the floor to climb hills the engine doesn't survive.

I'am not going argue I know how long trucks last I have worked in the shop that does repairs to all trucks from P/Us to trucks with C-15 Cats. Dodge trucks are always the worst to work on. Trying to get parts for them is a pain in the azz. Waited for weeks for parts because they have to come from Mexico. Parts for a Ford are next day the dealers actually know what they are talking about. Dodge dealers are dumb as bricks.

Seen what Ford Chevy and Dodge can take for abuse the Ford trucks always come out on top simple as that. The forestry and mining contractors push pick up trucks past their limits. You want to get some exercise take a Dodge truck into the bush because you will be walking home when the POS breaks down. GM trucks you can't take into the bush roads the truck bottoms out with no clearance.

The last Dodge truck that was in one of the mines they took the dozer flattened it out and buried the pile of junk.

[ksss]

We have taken work up to 200 miles away. I have kept some trucks to 250K and some only to 100K. Just depends. The resale on the GM trucks is great here so I have traded every 5 years or so, sometimes less. I doubt that will be the case with the trucks I have. I will keep these longer.

[Gravel Rat]

With the newer vehicals being toublesome I think you will see more and more people hang on to the older vehicals.

With Ford trucks the 06-07 models will be in steady demand if people want a diesel truck so the 6.0 is your only choice unless you want to take a chance on a 08/09.

With the 6.4 being discontinued what will happen with the used trucks.

The 6.7 in the Dodges isn't doing so great either.

Maybe everything will resort back to horse and buggy :laugh:

[Junior M]

Like I said we don't need to drive all over the country side for work. A contractor makes money running equipment not driving their P/U truck. What a big waste of fuel if your driving all over the place. If you have to drive 150 miles for your work move closer to your work.

Makes you wonder how you guys make any money if you have to haul your equipment those kinds of distances.

Most building contractor hate taking jobs on that requires them to travel over a hour to get to work. It seriously cuts into your personal/familly time you have to get up at 5am to get to the jobsite at 7:30. During the fall with short daylight hours you go to work and go home to work in the dark.

No offence but its stupidity to spend that much time behind a vehical that doesn't make you money it costs you money.

As for my brothers Dodge Cummins it does need a rebuild it won't even start without a block heater because the compression is too low. I know you guys don't beleive me but Cummins 5.9 engines don't last any longer than Powerstrokes. The highest kilomterage Dodge Cummins truck in the area is 350,000kms the truck is dead a 89 model 1 ton dually 4x4. There is still a few old IDI powered Fords running around with 400,000kms.

You CANNOT get 500,000 miles out of a Dodge Cummins truck here unless your pushing it by hand. Maybe where the engine never works hard the engine will last but when your pegged to the governer all the time and foot to the floor to climb hills the engine doesn't survive.

I'am not going argue I know how long trucks last I have worked in the shop that does repairs to all trucks from P/Us to trucks with C-15 Cats. Dodge trucks are always the worst to work on. Trying to get parts for them is a pain in the azz. Waited for weeks for parts because they have to come from Mexico. Parts for a Ford are next day the dealers actually know what they are talking about. Dodge dealers are dumb as bricks.

Seen what Ford Chevy and Dodge can take for abuse the Ford trucks always come out on top simple as that. The forestry and mining contractors push pick up trucks past their limits. You want to get some exercise take a Dodge truck into the bush because you will be walking home when the POS breaks down. GM trucks you can't take into the bush roads the truck bottoms out with no clearance.

The last Dodge truck that was in one of the mines they took the dozer flattened it out and buried the pile of junk.
Youve got to remember alot of guys on herer own the business so they dont actually work, they do all the running around and bs. Like CAT for example. GR, you try and base everything in other ares off the one place you run around. And that Cummins I mentioned with 400,000 miles is a work truck, a contractor works out of it, pulling a 20ft enclosed...

[stuvecorp]

Something I am pondering is if I was to buy a new truck(550/5500), it would last me a long time even though the price is more than I like. Putting on 12-15,000 miles a year would last over ten years for me and I am not that hard on stuff so I would likely get bored with it than wear it out. I have gone the used route and except for the 350 I have, it hasn't worked out so good.

[Dirt Digger2]

i just missed out an a beautiful truck...2006 F350 SRW supercab long box diesel with 24,000 miles on it for $26,000. It was a new truck trade at the dealer...I saw it one day, called back 2 days later and they told me they sold it the night before...besides for being a Ford that would have been one sweet deal on a super nice truck...I'm still a little bummed i missed out

[AWJ Services]

Everyone works there equipment different whether it be a truck, skid steer, excavator or lawn mower.

The way I use my truck a Dodge would be a scrap pile at 250k.
Same for a 2500/3500 Chevy.
The Frames are just not strong enough.
Around her the Allisons had a bunch of trouble with valve bodies and busted converters.
They are not trouble free.They have fixed these problems now but so has Ford.So don't base todays durability off of yesterdays track record.
When I had my shop I did transmissions as well and one of my Friends owns one of the largest trans parts place in the Southeast.


I personally prefer the 7.3.
If I was anyone on this board who only Put 12k a year on there truck I would buy one and just find a good mechanic to maintain it.
New trucks are nice but after a few miles who cares.

I am also one of those guys who drives every where for work.
100 miles round trip is normal.
350 is not un heard of.
Part of my problem is I choose to live out in the country which adds 30 miles each way to my trips.

[stuvecorp]

[QUOTE=AWJ Services;2676415]If I was anyone on this board who only Put 12k a year on there truck I would buy one and just find a good mechanic to maintain it.
New trucks are nice but after a few miles who cares.QUOTE]

Yeah, putting lower miles is hard to justify the expense of a new truck. Lets use me as a case study. I want a truck to haul skids/minix, be able to haul in materials(block/base), able to mobilize all work tools for retaining wall/pavers as well as extra attachments, perform sometimes as a truck back and forth to projects. Now I work mainly within 15-30 minutes so that is one part to how I don't put that many miles on. I also to be honest do not like the Kodiak size truck for the smaller projects, just doesn't get around as well where the 3/4/550 is the same as a pickup. In the past I have done alot of small material deliveries with the old 450 and had a vbox sander that worked great. It does seem also on projects that I bring attachments or material that a pickup couldn't haul.

Now do I use it enough? I don't have a 'work' pickup anymore, had a 97 f150 and 88 f150 in the past and they were nice but to be honest don't really miss them so I do put extra miles on the 350 that another truck could be doing(like estimates). The big expense when buying a 550 sized truck is the upfit(box/hitch/toolboxes/tarp) so it is not only the truck to consider. I have not found a used 550 size truck that decent and then you have the whole financing part. I am getting tired of making extra trips with the 350.

A truck is like a black hole but it seems like everything has to revolve around this truck. I am thinking of rehabbing the old contractor body from the 450 to a new truck if I can find a deal on a new 550/5500 size. I have been going back and forth for a couple years on this and still don't have a answer I am at peace with.

[AWJ Services]

A truck is like a black hole but it seems like everything has to revolve around this truck.

When I was a mechanic I said basically the same thing about my tool box.
Well the Tool truck salesman grabbed a couple of cardboard boxes and started unloading my tools in them.

A truck is often thought of as a "NON profit" expense.
In reality it gains you the largest profit of anything.
It is the only tool you have that is indispensable.

[CAT powered]

GR you are the one who is always bitching and moaning about how there is no work. Maybe if you're willing to go to the work instead of waiting for the work to come to you you'll get more work.

I don't lose money on jobs with longer commutes. Usually they are my most profitable jobs. A lot of areas I work in have no contractors in the area and nobody else is willing to make the drive so I can make a killing.

These days I'm driving to a lot of sites to try to find an area I could use to set up a grinding operation. My current site isn't zoned properly for a grinding operation so I need to find a site. Would you suggest that I sit at home and wait until a site finds me?

[stuvecorp]

When I was a mechanic I said basically the same thing about my tool box.
Well the Tool truck salesman grabbed a couple of cardboard boxes and started unloading my tools in them.

A truck is often thought of as a "NON profit" expense.
In reality it gains you the largest profit of anything.
It is the only tool you have that is indispensable.

That's funny about the toolBox.:) True, without the truck and trailer nothing happens. I am seeing some interesting prices on trucks, if the financing is good too then it makes things more attractive. Have found some low prices on the Sterling 5500's that may be worth a gamble, I like the specs on them. There is some leftover GM 5500's out there also.

[Gravel Rat]

GR you are the one who is always bitching and moaning about how there is no work. Maybe if you're willing to go to the work instead of waiting for the work to come to you you'll get more work.

I don't lose money on jobs with longer commutes. Usually they are my most profitable jobs. A lot of areas I work in have no contractors in the area and nobody else is willing to make the drive so I can make a killing.

These days I'm driving to a lot of sites to try to find an area I could use to set up a grinding operation. My current site isn't zoned properly for a grinding operation so I need to find a site. Would you suggest that I sit at home and wait until a site finds me?

It doesn't pay to move farther out of your own area because other areas are flooded with excavation contractors etc. The communities has a long list of contractors. If you go if you drive 2 hours from here your into a area where your competing against 20-30 contractors looking for the same work. With the work being so poor in all areas you could be run out of the area by the contractors that work in that area.

The province of B.C. in general is 364,764 square miles in size there is probably over 3000 excavation companies in this province. So there is no shortage of excavation businesses in all areas.

If you are getting phone calls from people out of the area you get suspicious these are the people that have worn out their welcome with the local contractors in their area. They usually don't pay their bills. You don't know any of their history so you go do a job and they don't pay you. It happens 70% of the time maybe more a contractor from another area gets the shaft.

Unless your working for a general contractor that you regulary work for then its usually okay.

All excavation contractors do everything the only specialized thing is septic systems because you have to be a certified installer. Things like landclearing and logging all excavation contractors do that. Road building and site prep to landscaping its all done. There is no niche market in the excavating business.

[Junior M]

It doesn't pay to move farther out of your own area because other areas are flooded with excavation contractors etc. The communities has a long list of contractors. If you go if you drive 2 hours from here your into a area where your competing against 20-30 contractors looking for the same work. With the work being so poor in all areas you could be run out of the area by the contractors that work in that area.

The province of B.C. in general is 364,764 square miles in size there is probably over 3000 excavation companies in this province. So there is no shortage of excavation businesses in all areas.

If you are getting phone calls from people out of the area you get suspicious these are the people that have worn out their welcome with the local contractors in their area. They usually don't pay their bills. You don't know any of their history so you go do a job and they don't pay you. It happens 70% of the time maybe more a contractor from another area gets the shaft.

Unless your working for a general contractor that you regulary work for then its usually okay.

All excavation contractors do everything the only specialized thing is septic systems because you have to be a certified installer. Things like landclearing and logging all excavation contractors do that. Road building and site prep to landscaping its all done. There is no niche market in the excavating business.
It sounds like if you want to do this, you need to get out of there quick...

[CAT powered]

GR your problem again is that you are doing work for individuals rather than large companies and municipalities.

The jobs I do that are out in the boonies are all government jobs. The one that was so far away was for the Department of Mental ******ation at one of their group homes. Group homes are where they send all the ******ed people to live together so they can supervise them more easily. I had to clear a strip of trees proably 150 feet by 50 feet. Rake out the stumps and then install the rest of the system. After that I had to grade out the yard and plant grass. I didn't get paid until the grass was at least 3" long and was mowable.

I planted it in May and by July they still hadn't said anything so I went there to check on it. I could see tracks from a lawnmower so I called them and asked why I wasn't paid yet. Got paid first business day of the next week.

Homeowners are your downfall as far as I'm concerned. They like to nitpick your work and then try to cheap out on you. I avoid homeowner work whenever possible. The only homeowner work I've done in the past 3 years has all been for the owner of the trailer dealership I buy from and whose new building I was GC on.

And GR you need to just bid the job for what it's worth and not let homeowners tell you how to do it. You don't tell Ford how to build your truck do you? No. So don't let homeowners tell you how to do your job either.

[Gravel Rat]

I'am just waiting for the undercutting and the tempers flying because the way things are going the fights are going to happen. Too little work and too many contractors. You would have to have walked out of a mental hospital to try start a excavation business with the way things are going.

Its going to get vicious in the excavation business you start messing around with another contractors area you might end up with some damaged equipment.

On edit

All gov't jobs go to usually one contractor a regular contractor can not bid on gov't jobs. Right now there is no gov't jobs the provincial gov't isn't doing any projects. The only excavating work here is residential construction. There is no commercial construction because all the large infrastructure stuff was done in the 80s there isn't anything new being built. What has kept excavation contractors busy over the last 4 years has been doing large subdivisions clearing 100 acres or more. To get gov't contracts you have to have worn out knees on your pants.

[Junior M]

I'am just waiting for the undercutting and the tempers flying because the way things are going the fights are going to happen. Too little work and too many contractors. You would have to have walked out of a mental hospital to try start a excavation business with the way things are going.

Its going to get vicious in the excavation business you start messing around with another contractors area you might end up with some damaged equipment.
Another contractors area? What are yall like dogs up there, you have your own territory to work in, and no one else can work there?

[Gravel Rat]

Another contractors area? What are yall like dogs up there, you have your own territory to work in, and no one else can work there?

It is getting this way now because the work is slow. You can get run out of a area real quick if you start taking work away from the contractors that service the area. Right now for all contractors nobody speaks to each other it isn't so bad here but in other areas its getting that way.

It is like messing around with another mans wife your going to get your azz kicked.

Like I said this might come to East Indian style where your going to have your windows smashed out of your machine if you pizz other contractors off.

Contractors are getting hungry and the food supply is running short. The nastyness and jealousy is just starting. With 2008 being a bad year and 2009 not looking good either its going to be interesting :laugh:

[Junior M]

It is getting this way now because the work is slow. You can get run out of a area real quick if you start taking work away from the contractors that service the area. Right now for all contractors nobody speaks to each other it isn't so bad here but in other areas its getting that way.

It is like messing around with another mans wife your going to get your azz kicked.

Like I said this might come to East Indian style where your going to have your windows smashed out of your machine if you pizz other contractors off.

Contractors are getting hungry and the food supply is running short. The nastyness and jealousy is just starting. With 2008 being a bad year and 2009 not looking good either its going to be interesting :laugh:
Thats starting to sound almost childish...

[Gravel Rat]

Thats starting to sound almost childish...

Its the way its going you have big equipment payments to make you need the work. Your going to get rid of the competition some how. It will start with seeing who can work the cheapest and push the other to go broke.

The excavation business here has always been feast or famine well the 4 year feast is over now its eithiopia famine with no work and people laid off money getting tight.

[Dirt Digger2]

christ...i am prepared to drive up to 150 miles a day with my new job, and i thought that was an ok commute, but listening to GR unless i work down the street then its too far

see i have sat back on this one...but i almost have to get involved here. GR you work a government job...you drive to the same office everyday and know how long your commute is...if you think its too far then you get up and find a house closer and move out of that basement...for guys that are currently working in the CONSTRUCTION field they go where the jobs are...if its too far for one day they build in a price to put their guys up for the length of the job in a hotel, house, etc...

its the simple nature of construction...long drives, long hours, no respect, and no thanks...but its the same reason why most of us here are involved with it

Sorry to continue this Hi-jack Chris...but i think you should look at GM's a little more right now...they have some KILLER "red tag deals" on their diesel trucks...i saw one stickered at $49,000 marked down to $33,000...even if your not a GM fan it wouldn't hurt to test drive

[CAT powered]

It's this time where the weak companies are weeded out. Those who just jumped onto the excavation bandwagon when things were good are finding out that it isn't really easy money like they thought it was. It's the weak times like this where companies like mine thrive. I was working for what was considered sub-par before this recession hit. It was also a gov't contract that I had. Now everyone is jockeying to try to steal my contracts out from under me, but I just make sure to keep the people in-charge happy and they keep renewing me. Everyone else is scrambling to find work and my operation is the largest it's been in the last 5 years. That's not saying a whole lot since I had been a one-man band, but right now I have myself, 1 full-timer, and 2 part-timers.

[Junior M]

Dirt, CAT, both very good points..

[Dirtman2007]

christ...i am prepared to drive up to 150 miles a day with my new job, and i thought that was an ok commute, but listening to GR unless i work down the street then its too far

see i have sat back on this one...but i almost have to get involved here. GR you work a government job...you drive to the same office everyday and know how long your commute is...if you think its too far then you get up and find a house closer and move out of that basement...for guys that are currently working in the CONSTRUCTION field they go where the jobs are...if its too far for one day they build in a price to put their guys up for the length of the job in a hotel, house, etc...

its the simple nature of construction...long drives, long hours, no respect, and no thanks...but its the same reason why most of us here are involved with it

Sorry to continue this Hi-jack Chris...but i think you should look at GM's a little more right now...they have some KILLER "red tag deals" on their diesel trucks...i saw one stickered at $49,000 marked down to $33,000...even if your not a GM fan it wouldn't hurt to test drive

No problem on the Hi jack, It's common.

I've pulled off some long days, leave the house a 5am, stop and grab breakfast around 6am, eat on the run and get to the job around 7am. Work 11- 12 hours, then haul butt back to home base, stop and eat dinner around 8pm, get home around 9 pm, shower, pass out on the bed only to be awaken at 4:15 when the alarm goes off. Get up and do that 5 more times a week.

I don't mind working 11 hours days, it's the 4 hour round trips that really kill me, that's worse then working.
Plus eating 3 fast food meals a day, 5 times a week is really not the most healthiest thing in the world

Oh yeah those far way jobs 3+ hrs one way get old too, hotels suck after a while.

Glad I usually get sent to the local stuff.


On the GM red tag, do you mean "red flag" lol

I just could not picture myself in a GM:nono:

[Junior M]

Working long hours and driving long ways suck, but would you do anything else? Nobody just falls into this line of work like an office job, most people get into the construction industry because they want to...

[Dirtman2007]

Working long hours and driving long ways suck, but would you do anything else? Nobody just falls into this line of work like an office job, most people get into the construction industry because they want to...

Those days really make you think, "why the hell am I doing this"

Then you stop and think about what else you could do and realize your really not good at doing anything else. That's why I do what I do. Beside sitting in a 8x8' office cubical would probably not even last a day. We all have our days when things just don't right, But in reality I really enjoy doing what I do and have fun. What else could you ask for? Ask how many people really enjoy their job, a lot of people I know don't, but the moneys too good to pass it up.

[Gravel Rat]

Hotelling it sucks the beds are hard so you don't get much sleep. Some operators I know spend 5 months living out of a hotel room they counted everyday they could get back home. They were able to get home during the weekends and back at the hotel during the week.

Construction jobs in most parts of B.C. you don't live away from home. Even the loggers don't live in camps if they don't have to. They ride in a boat 2 hours each way 5 days a week.

[Dirt Digger2]

i love driving...thats half the reason i got my CDL...i was thinking of long hauling a year of two after i graduated, but with the way the jobs are going right now i jumped on what i consider my dream job...so a long commute for me isn't too bad, as long as i have my sattalite radio (best christmas present i ever got)

as for 11 hours try running equipment all day, stop at a gas station for dinner, baling hay till it gets dark (about 9pm) then having to stack it all in the barn before showering...i ate some pretty knarly sh*t this summer from the gas stations, but i guess i worked so damn much i actually lost weight..haha

[AWJ Services]

The ride home is the most peaceful time of my day.

[Dirtman2007]

i love driving...thats half the reason i got my CDL...i was thinking of long hauling a year of two after i graduated, but with the way the jobs are going right now i jumped on what i consider my dream job...so a long commute for me isn't too bad, as long as i have my sattalite radio (best christmas present i ever got)

as for 11 hours try running equipment all day, stop at a gas station for dinner, baling hay till it gets dark (about 9pm) then having to stack it all in the barn before showering...i ate some pretty knarly sh*t this summer from the gas stations, but i guess i worked so damn much i actually lost weight..haha

Chunking hay bails suck, everytime we need a bunch of hay, 110+ bails, I always get sent up in the top of the barn, two stories from the ground to top full of hay to throw it out. Damn mice love to make houses inbetween the bails. It's not a good feeling when It's 6 in the morning, dark as crap in the top of a barn and there's critters running across yer feet and you can't see what they are. We all know where there's mice, there's snakes to eat them.... I don't care for snakes, my ass will leap out of that barn on first sight lol.


You have a good hunting trip?

[bobcat_ron]

I love hotelling it, nothing better than love stains on the ceiling and walls and that special girl that likes to knock on the doors for some "love you all night long" action.

[Gravel Rat]

i love driving...thats half the reason i got my CDL...i was thinking of long hauling a year of two after i graduated, but with the way the jobs are going right now i jumped on what i consider my dream job...so a long commute for me isn't too bad, as long as i have my sattalite radio (best christmas present i ever got)

as for 11 hours try running equipment all day, stop at a gas station for dinner, baling hay till it gets dark (about 9pm) then having to stack it all in the barn before showering...i ate some pretty knarly sh*t this summer from the gas stations, but i guess i worked so damn much i actually lost weight..haha

I'am surprised you have any guts left eating those pre-packaged sandwhiches that gas stations sell a person would be scared to fart :laugh:

Driving truck is a different story your making money but driving your P/U 2-3 hours just to get to work sucks.

Driving to work around the Lowermainland (Vancouver) area is stressfull. You have one accident and traffic is backed up for hours because the roads and infrastructure is too small for the traffic using it.

[Dirtman2007]

I love hotelling it, nothing better than love stains on the ceiling and walls and that special girl that likes to knock on the doors for some "love you all night long" action.

You sniff the covers don't you? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just kidding.

The hotels we stayed it were very nice, they cost about $120.00 a night. Cleaned the room everyday, free breakfast. Still I rather sleep in my own bed.

[Junior M]

driving your P/U 2-3 hours just to get to work sucks.

I love the early morning drive, getting to see everything wake up, and just being up early and that smell of the dew and fresh turned dirt in the morning is just awesome.

You rarely see a crew here from far away. Any time you do its for a job for a big company or its government.

Most H/O here will hire a local guy before they bring a guy in from across the county. Its wierd how people will hire a guy from there area before they bring in a guy from across the county, most time they wont even call the guy from across the county. I am not sure why they do it, our pool contractor has a number for "Irmo" an area on one side of Columbia and then a number for "Columbia" what they call the other side of Columbia ;)...

[Gravel Rat]

The hotel I stay at for work the bed has more springs poking you in your back your better off sleeping on the floor. The other guys I know what stay there sleep on the couch.

Ron's favorite place to stay is some of the hotels in the grubby parts of Vancouver. I heard Ron really likes the Balmoral Hotel or the Astoria Hotel they are in the area with some good looking women :laugh:

It would be a good place for Junior to stay the woman in that are in that area would take him for a good ride :drinkup:

[Dirtman2007]

The hotel I stay at for work the bed has more springs poking you in your back your better off sleeping on the floor. The other guys I know what stay there sleep on the couch.

Ron's favorite place to stay is some of the hotels in the grubby parts of Vancouver. I heard Ron really likes the Balmoral Hotel or the Astoria Hotel they are in the area with some good looking women :laugh:

It would be a good place for Junior to stay the woman in that are in that area would take him for a good ride :drinkup:

Junior might get something soap wont even wash off.

[Junior M]

Junior might get something soap wont even wash off.
;)I am good, GR, you go right ahead, I am sure they'll love your 450, I'll stay here where its warm and where I wont get a disease. But anything you got I am sure we could just shoot you with something and it might go away.. :laugh: :laugh:

[Dirt Digger2]

theres nothing wrong with seedy hotel areas....if you do the math those "love you all night" girls turn out to be cheaper then a girlfriend anyway, thats what i tell myself...or maybe i just can't find a girl who will put up with me

i can't wait to travel HAHA

Junior you should stay out of this one....have you had the "birds and bees" talk yet? HAHA...all these meds i'm on for being sick got me in a laughing mood :eek:

[stuvecorp]

[QUOTE=jlm335;2677769]I love the early morning drive, getting to see everything wake up, and just being up early and that smell of the dewQUOTE]

JR, did you get that off someones EHarmony profile?

I like to stay close to base unless going up north then I don't mind driving to projects. This season I may not be too choosy. I also only work within ten minutes of Subway so lunch is always good.:clapping:

[Junior M]

JR, did you get that off someones EHarmony profile?
:laugh: :laugh: Yeah, I got it off of KSSS's.. :laugh:

[ksss]

:laugh: :laugh: Yeah, I got it off of KSSS's.. :laugh:



Thats funny Junior! Oh and tell your mom to quite emailing me. I told her it would never work out, but she is having a hard to letting go. :cry:

[stuvecorp]

Thats funny Junior! Oh and tell your mom to quite emailing me. I told her it would never work out, but she is having a hard to letting go. :cry:

Let her buy the Bladerunner first.:waving:

[ksss]

Let her buy the Bladerunner first.:waving:


Yea, good point.

[Junior M]

Thats funny Junior! Oh and tell your mom to quite emailing me. I told her it would never work out, but she is having a hard to letting go. :cry:
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/450.gif :laugh: :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/450.gif :laugh: :laugh:

Where did you get that smilie at??? I love it!

[Junior M]

Where did you get that smilie at??? I love it!
Right cheerya-- http://emoticons4u.com/crazy4.htm

[CAT powered]

Hey! I found ronnie and GR on there!

http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/578.gif http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/578.gif

[Junior M]

Hey! I found ronnie and GR on there!

http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/578.gif http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/578.gif
:laugh: :laugh:

[stuvecorp]

So, is anyone finding some smokin deals on work trucks?

[CAT powered]

Here's them later on.
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/684.gif http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/684.gif

And here's KSSS when he sees all the new PowerTan stuff at his dealership.
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/685.gif

[ksss]

Here's them later on.
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/684.gif http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/684.gif

And here's KSSS when he sees all the new PowerTan stuff at his dealership.
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/685.gif


I can see that Jr. opened a can of worms with that Smilie link.:cry:

[stuvecorp]

I can see that Jr. opened a can of worms with that Smilie link.:cry:

I put a twenty he will find that smiley.

[Junior M]

I can see that Jr. opened a can of worms with that Smilie link.:cry:
I sure did! And here's another-- http://smileys.on-my-web.com/ :cool2: :cool2:


I found an awesome deal on a fully loaded 1995 Dodge 3500, 4x4, cummins, long bed, extended cab, only thing it doesnt have is leather and regular mirrors, it has the big towing mirrors and its really clean from the pic's.. Can you guess the price?? Only $6,500! KSSS, thats 6,500 taters in your taterland.. :laugh:

[Junior M]

I put a twenty he will find that smiley.
Closest thing I got is this- http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/477.gif Who doesnt love a spam and mayonaisse samich?! :laugh:

Here's KSSS when he was 16-http://emoticons4u.com/trans/fahr25.gif in his dreams!

KSSS now-http://emoticons4u.com/trans/moped_mazeguy.gif on his way back from the GMC dealership cause his duracrap brokedown..

Ron when he freaks and takes over Abbotsford-http://emoticons4u.com/trans/fahr39.gif

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[CAT powered]

That's no deal. 99 F350 SRW reg. cab longbed XLT 4x4 7.3 diesel 113,000 miles -7300$

How many miles on that come-apart? 200k? 250k?

[stuvecorp]

taterland

That's funny, bet it is more fun than Disneyland.

[Junior M]

That's no deal. 99 F350 SRW reg. cab longbed XLT 4x4 7.3 diesel 113,000 miles -7300$

How many miles on that come-apart? 200k? 250k?
180,3?? from what I can tell in the pictures..

I bet it is Stuve! Except that dam Powercrap, always breakin down, so the rides are always broke down..

Wait, you like powercrap :wall

:laugh: :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

I think a few members on here have been taking some of Ronnies happy pills:laugh:

[ksss]

I sure did! And here's another-- http://smileys.on-my-web.com/ :cool2: :cool2:


I found an awesome deal on a fully loaded 1995 Dodge 3500, 4x4, cummins, long bed, extended cab, only thing it doesnt have is leather and regular mirrors, it has the big towing mirrors and its really clean from the pic's.. Can you guess the price?? Only $6,500! KSSS, thats 6,500 taters in your taterland.. :laugh:

Nobody around here is going to give you 6500 taters for a truck like that.

[bobcat_ron]

Uhh, Juniour:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa284/philly_hill_billy/No_Sense.jpg

[ksss]

Closest thing I got is this- http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/477.gif Who doesnt love a spam and mayonaisse samich?! :laugh:

Here's KSSS when he was 16-http://emoticons4u.com/trans/fahr25.gif in his dreams!

KSSS now-http://emoticons4u.com/trans/moped_mazeguy.gif on his way back from the GMC dealership cause his duracrap brokedown..

Ron when he freaks and takes over Abbotsford-http://emoticons4u.com/trans/fahr39.gif

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


I did have a 76 Camaro, I really wanted one of those F bodies though. Not enough rattle in my pockets.

I would rather ride the scooter than ride in a Dodge Jr.:cool2:

[Junior M]

Uhh, Juniour:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa284/philly_hill_billy/No_Sense.jpg
:laugh: :laugh: It was there, I clicked on it, had to give a reason for putting it up there! :laugh:

That pic is awesome..

[Junior M]

Nobody around here is going to give you 6500 taters for a truck like that.
Well thats a good deal for a truck like that here.. You never usually find a 1ton, especially 4x4, that isnt beat all to crap...

[stuvecorp]

JR if you like that come shop at Stuvemart, your money will go far. Sorry no Dodge though.

[Junior M]

JR if you like that come shop at Stuvemart, your money will go far. Sorry no Dodge though.
I dont need a dump body, sorry.. And your kinda far away, definetly not an afternoon trip over to see what you got in stock. But just for s#its and giggles, you wouldnt have just a regular p/u? 2500 or 3500 doesnt matter...

[CAT powered]

Junior you can find impeccable (look it up) 1 tons up here for under 8,000. 6500 for your comeapart with 180k miles is no deal.

[ksss]

Junior you can find impeccable (look it up) 1 tons up here for under 8,000. 6500 for your comeapart with 180k miles is no deal.



That is funny, I like the subtleness of it, and you knew that he was going to ask what it meant.

[bobcat_ron]

That is funny, I like the subtleness of it, and you knew that he was going to ask what it meant.

He's probably still Googling it now.

[Junior M]

That is funny, I like the subtleness of it, and you knew that he was going to ask what it meant.
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/450.gif I know the meaning, its uh, uh, uh, I know the meaning, I dont know how to say it.. :laugh: It means clean, and perfect basically..


Only problem with that CAT, your to far away, and 6,500 is bout 1,500 over what I'd like to spend.. No way I am goin to get a decent diesel truck for 5,000. So I am goin to have to go with an older gas 2500 to stay in my budget.. Plus, goin with a truck like that Dodge I mentioned is the only way I'll ever get a diesel like I'd like for my first truck..

[CAT powered]

Here's a Dodge with a comeapart for ya, Junior. It's in your price range too!
http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=1926123&guid=95C4A13F1C714734842DB38BB286258F

[stuvecorp]

I dont need a dump body, sorry.. And your kinda far away, definetly not an afternoon trip over to see what you got in stock. But just for s#its and giggles, you wouldnt have just a regular p/u? 2500 or 3500 doesnt matter...

My friend fixes salvage trucks and have been thinking about doing a 2500 GM crewcab with a Dmax but it would be more than your unimpeccable Dodge.

Don't ya love big word Sundays?

I am extra happy now that Minnesota lost, my chi is balanced again.

[CAT powered]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/maj_massacre/dodge.jpg
It was fine until he tried to raise the landing gear on the trailer...

[Dirtman2007]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/maj_massacre/dodge.jpg
It was fine until he tried to raise the landing gear on the trailer...

Wow
Please elaborate on this one.

[ksss]

I am extra happy now that Minnesota lost, my chi is balanced again.

I would have thought you would have been going for the ViQueens being how they are in your neck of the 'hood and all.



I was pulling for the NFC EAST. My Chi has been upside down since midseason. I cant believe I have to wait another 9 months for the Redskins to get another chance. I am sure Dozerman is crying a tear in his beer over the Colts loss.

[bobcat_ron]

Wow
Please elaborate on this one.

It's a Dodge (or it was), need anyone say more?

[Junior M]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/maj_massacre/dodge.jpg
It was fine until he tried to raise the landing gear on the trailer...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Yall can bust my balls all I want about a truck, but I am goin to get what I can take for a truck, I've got a really low budget, so I dont have much to work with. The only thing I want is 4x4, and at the least a 2500. Everything else, I could care less about. I would prefer a long bed, but if I dont get one, woopity, I dont need a long bed to get back and forth to school... And I really dont care if it is a Dodge, if I was goin to get an older diesel, I would prefer a Dodge.

[Junior M]

Don't ya love big word Sundays?

No, I need lots of :help: on Sundays, and I am always confused! :angry: :wall :help:

:laugh: :laugh:

[stuvecorp]

I would have thought you would have been going for the ViQueens being how they are in your neck of the 'hood and all.



I was pulling for the NFC EAST. My Chi has been upside down since midseason. I cant believe I have to wait another 9 months for the Redskins to get another chance. I am sure Dozerman is crying a tear in his beer over the Colts loss.

I only ask that the Packers to beat the Queens twice a season, anything else is a bonus. The Queens fans are intolerable, they had to have an extension to sell all their tickets. I really don't mind any of the teams left, just hope for some good football. I am enjoying the Dallas train wreak also.

[Dirtman2007]

It's a Dodge (or it was), need anyone say more?

Good Point.

[stuvecorp]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Yall can bust my balls all I want about a truck, but I am goin to get what I can take for a truck, I've got a really low budget, so I dont have much to work with. The only thing I want is 4x4, and at the least a 2500. Everything else, I could care less about. I would prefer a long bed, but if I dont get one, woopity, I dont need a long bed to get back and forth to school... And I really dont care if it is a Dodge, if I was goin to get an older diesel, I would prefer a Dodge.

JR, my first truck cost me $120 and the cost to rebuild a 300 6 cylinder. That was a fun truck, '76 F150 two wheel drive. Good times.

[Dirt Digger2]

Junior you don't need a full size to go to school...the only reason you want one is for a "bad ass factor"...i know, i've been there

i'll sell you my truck...124,000 on the clock and still going strong...you'll get to learn how to drive a 5 speed and i'll throw in the tool box and CB for free...she also looks pretty when its lit up at night

[dozerman21]

I would have thought you would have been going for the ViQueens being how they are in your neck of the 'hood and all.



I was pulling for the NFC EAST. My Chi has been upside down since midseason. I cant believe I have to wait another 9 months for the Redskins to get another chance. I am sure Dozerman is crying a tear in his beer over the Colts loss.

Many tears over many beers. As Ron Burgandy once said, "Go f@ck yourself, San Diego!":cry: Anybody but the Ravens or Chargers feel free to win a championship.

[Junior M]

Junior you don't need a full size to go to school...the only reason you want one is for a "bad ass factor"...i know, i've been there

i'll sell you my truck...124,000 on the clock and still going strong...you'll get to learn how to drive a 5 speed and i'll throw in the tool box and CB for free...she also looks pretty when its lit up at night
I know I dont, but your truck wont pull our trailer, thats what I need. It wouldnt be a big deal if I didnt get out of school early enough to go get equipment so Dad wouldnt have to get off of work early. I would already have a truck if I didnt need a 2500+ truck.

[Dirt Digger2]

yea but with my truck you have a guarantee of getting a lady in the back of it....i don't know what it is but they love the thing...i drive that little thing through the woods up to a field under the stars and they go crazy..a big truck would make too much noise and you would get caught by someone

so you have a choice...get a big truck or become a man..HAHA

[Junior M]

yea but with my truck you have a guarantee of getting a lady in the back of it....i don't know what it is but they love the thing...i drive that little thing through the woods up to a field under the stars and they go crazy..a big truck would make too much noise and you would get caught by someone

so you have a choice...get a big truck or become a man..HAHA
:laugh: :laugh: No comment.. You wont get caught if you go to the right place :cool2:

[Dirt Digger2]

Theres plenty of fields around here...i know all the farmers, its not so much me being caught...its more me being caught with my pants down...quite literally...it would be tough to convince a girl to see me again if she ran into some of the farmers i know

[Junior M]

Theres plenty of fields around here...i know all the farmers, its not so much me being caught...its more me being caught with my pants down...quite literally...it would be tough to convince a girl to see me again if she ran into some of the farmers i know
:laugh: :laugh: I dont have to worry bout that, just some pissed off hunters, with guns ;) But if ya go during the off season your all good :cool2:


A bunch of guys from Ohio I know keep tellin me to bring my girlfriend up there, if I had one:wall, so they can teach her to hunt. :laugh: That wouldnt and wont happen! She'd leave me on the spot if she met any of them crazy guys, that I actually hang out with :dizzy:

[Dirt Digger2]

well i need an answer...haha, went out and looked at a new one...got the numbers i want and approved for financing, have to discuss it with a few people here tonight but hopefully i will be a new truck owner tomorrow

[Junior M]

well i need an answer...haha, went out and looked at a new one...got the numbers i want and approved for financing, have to discuss it with a few people here tonight but hopefully i will be a new truck owner tomorrow
I think I'll pass on this one Dirt, the trailer just wouldnt do so well behind it... Unless your selling that regular cab long bed ford! :cool2:

[Dirt Digger2]

no but thats a sweet truck...my buddy loves it

i hope this new truck goes well for me...i dont want to say what it is until i have the check written...my luck they will sell it tonight HAHA

[Dirt Digger2]

just got off the phone with the guy and gave a verbal commitment....will be making the down payment tomorrow and taking delivery Friday after i get insurance and all worked out

so now Dirtman needs to buy a new one

[Dirtman2007]

just got off the phone with the guy and gave a verbal commitment....will be making the down payment tomorrow and taking delivery Friday after i get insurance and all worked out

so now Dirtman needs to buy a new one

So what Kind of truck did you get?

dirtman already has two trucks... I really don't want anymore payments for a while. That's what made my decision about not buying right now. I don't want a 700 dollar a month truck payment. I'll keep the one I have now going cheaper than that.

[Junior M]

Whats your other truck? That older maroon Ford, that pops up in some of your pics?

[Dirtman2007]

Whats your other truck? That older maroon Ford, that pops up in some of your pics?

Yeah its a 95 F150. 191,000 miles and still going strong.

[Gravel Rat]

Junior needs a 3/4 ton here is his girlfriend :laugh:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSnZjLPor8

Sometimes its cheaper to buy a new truck and the deals are getting better with the dealers squirming with the lack of sales.

[Junior M]

Junior needs a 3/4 ton here is his girlfriend :laugh:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSnZjLPor8

Sometimes its cheaper to buy a new truck and the deals are getting better with the dealers squirming with the lack of sales.
http://emoticons4u.com/crazy/450.gif

How do you even find something like that GR? I hope you looked for that just for this purpose, hopefully you didnt have that saved in your favorites;)

:laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Junior needs a 3/4 ton here is his girlfriend :laugh:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSnZjLPor8

Sometimes its cheaper to buy a new truck and the deals are getting better with the dealers squirming with the lack of sales.

Ahhh I just lost my dinner... thanks


May I ask why your searching for cows on youtube? :laugh:

[Gravel Rat]

I just googled Fat woman and that popped up :eek:

Nope not in my favorites section I prefer blond athletic woman someone like the actress Brittany Daniel I'am not into BBW can't imagine what a sweaty one would smell like :dizzy:

[Dirtman2007]

I just googled Fat woman and that popped up :eek:



I bet that was not the only thing thay "popped" up. :laugh::laugh:


I'm going to stop before I get in trouble*trucewhiteflag*

[Junior M]

I bet that was not the only thing thay "popped" up. :laugh::laugh:


I'm going to stop before I get in trouble*trucewhiteflag*
:laugh: How would you know Chris? ;)

[Dirtman2007]

:laugh: How would you know Chris? ;)

That was suppose to say That not thay. I was actually amazed that her foot did not snap when she jumped. I mean that's got to be at least 25 PSI on those feet:laugh:

[Dirt Digger2]

hahaha i got a joke you would all like about fat women, but i know it would get deleted from here and i would get in trouble..haha

[Junior M]

That was suppose to say That not thay. I was actually amazed that her foot did not snap when she jumped. I mean that's got to be at least 25 PSI on those feet:laugh:
I didnt even get that far, I saw here take a step and exited out..

[ksss]

hahaha i got a joke you would all like about fat women, but i know it would get deleted from here and i would get in trouble..haha



Wouldn't have anything to do with mopeds would it?

[Junior M]

hahaha i got a joke you would all like about fat women, but i know it would get deleted from here and i would get in trouble..haha
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[Dirt Digger2]

no it has to do with flour and a finding a wet spot.....your minds can wonder from there

[jefftb]

Ahh Digger, I have not heard that one in years. Still brings a horrible image to mind.:cry: