Here is a potential buy for the shade tree mechanic

[ksss]

http://www.ironplanet.com/jsp/s/item/193944?h=405,2287


Hard to believe that a machine can be shredded like this in only 800 hours. The entire chassis needs rebuilding. It will be interesting t0 see what this goes for. Any ideas on what it would take to put this machine back together? This one even has high flow. It would be handy for snow removal, provided you didn't need to put 15K into a new undercarriage.

[triadpm]

That sounds awful high to start. I would post this on skid steer forum and ask . Some off those guys would know and also tell you if there might be other problems with it.
What do you think they used it for demo on train tracks? Pretty rough hope somebody got fired.

[AWJ Services]

Not to start another war but many of the Cat/ASV machines here look like that after 800 or so hours.
That is not abnormal.
It comes from using the machine for work.

[bobcat_ron]

I don't see an issue, just replace the tracks and the rollers that are damaged and fix the rest of the items that are buggered, no need to invest 15K into it. The price of oil is down low enough tracks can be bought for $5000 for the 287. If you are thrifty, you can get some replacement undercarriage parts for a bargain.

[grassmanvt]

I don't see an issue, just replace the tracks and the rollers that are damaged and fix the rest of the items that are buggered, no need to invest 15K into it. The price of oil is down low enough tracks can be bought for $5000 for the 287. If you are thrifty, you can get some replacement undercarriage parts for a bargain.

Agreed. If you need on, I would imagine it will only bring 17-18, dump 6-7k in it, get it to were you can work it and your still 25-30k under the price of new for an 800 hour machine. On another note, even if the tracks look trashed, well, I bought an rc-60 recently that needed tracks, under reasonable operation, I'm all but sure I can get them through the winter and if I'm the only one operating it and use it only were I need to (have a tired machine too) I just might get the summer out out of it. It appears that if the lugs are good on these tracks, you can run em' till' there's nothing left.

[ksss]

I don't see an issue, just replace the tracks and the rollers that are damaged and fix the rest of the items that are buggered, no need to invest 15K into it. The price of oil is down low enough tracks can be bought for $5000 for the 287. If you are thrifty, you can get some replacement undercarriage parts for a bargain.

Well it says the bearings are out of the rollers. Are the bearings and rollers one piece or are they separate? It takes a long time for the low oil prices to be reflected in rubber intensive goods. Have you seen tires drop yet. No. I have been waiting for the cost of the NuAir type tires to go down. No luck yet. It looks to me like the only thing that is in good condition is the squirrel cage. There is a leak comming from the belly pan which I am surprised they did not try and find the source of. That could be nothing big, to really expensive. The quick coupler doesn't work. I bet it would be an easy 10K to get it going, assuming they did not miss anything on the inspection.

I thought 12K to start was a lot as well. It will be interesting to see what it goes for.

[Digdeep]

Well it says the bearings are out of the rollers. Are the bearings and rollers one piece or are they separate? It takes a long time for the low oil prices to be reflected in rubber intensive goods. Have you seen tires drop yet. No. I have been waiting for the cost of the NuAir type tires to go down. No luck yet. It looks to me like the only thing that is in good condition is the squirrel cage. There is a leak comming from the belly pan which I am surprised they did not try and find the source of. That could be nothing big, to really expensive. The quick coupler doesn't work. I bet it would be an easy 10K to get it going, assuming they did not miss anything on the inspection.

I thought 12K to start was a lot as well. It will be interesting to see what it goes for.

Bearings and rollers are separate on all ASV machines.

[bobcat_ron]

The bearings are easily attainable at any bearing shop, ASV didn't use anything fancy like Berco does.
The reason NuAir tires prices haven't dropped, is because they are a high demand tire and this is a bad time to get any type of tires, wait until early spring, snow tires here are hard to get due to the laws in Eastern Canada regulating snow tires and that is affecting tire rubber companies.
I would never even think about buying a used 267B-287B MTL, they were the worst for repairs, the 247/257's can be upgraded to the new style shafts/bearings/rollers easily.

[Digdeep]

The bearings are easily attainable at any bearing shop, ASV didn't use anything fancy like Berco does.
The reason NuAir tires prices haven't dropped, is because they are a high demand tire and this is a bad time to get any type of tires, wait until early spring, snow tires here are hard to get due to the laws in Eastern Canada regulating snow tires and that is affecting tire rubber companies.
I would never even think about buying a used 267B-287B MTL, they were the worst for repairs, the 247/257's can be upgraded to the new style shafts/bearings/rollers easily.

I can purchase an entire RC50 undercarriage fully assembled- tracks, sprockets, rails, idlers and all rollers with face seals and hardware (just slide it on the torsion axles) for around $7,500.00. The only thing that the kit doesn't provide is the drive motor and the mount that the motor is attached to otherwise it's a complete undercarriage. If I change my whole undercarriage out at around 1500 hours it would cost me about $5 an hour.

[stuvecorp]

I can purchase an entire RC50 undercarriage fully assembled- tracks, sprockets, rails, idlers and all rollers with face seals and hardware (just slide it on the torsion axles) for around $7,500.00. The only thing that the kit doesn't provide is the drive motor and the mount that the motor is attached to otherwise it's a complete undercarriage. If I change my whole undercarriage out at around 1500 hours it would cost me about $5 an hour.

Do they do a exchange? Kind of like when you buy certain parts and they have a core charge?

Are these machines from a rental fleet? Sad that they get mauled so soon.

[ksss]

Do they do a exchange? Kind of like when you buy certain parts and they have a core charge?

Are these machines from a rental fleet? Sad that they get mauled so soon.


I am not sure what the story is behind them. Imagine if they are rentals. Unless your charging for excessive wear (imagine how difficult and unpopular that would be) you could not come close to covering the costs of that kind of damage. AWJ is right its not totally uncommon to see that kind of wear in 800 hours, but then you hear about Dig Deep and he has 1500 hours on his tracks with what sounds like minimal wear.

I just cant imagine paying for that 2006 287B which is fully loaded to include high flow and have it worth, what? 15K in just 800 hours. If there is anyone in America who still wants one of these CATs your silly for buying new when you could buy one of these, rebuild it, and save yourself big money.

[bobcat_ron]

I can purchase an entire RC50 undercarriage fully assembled- tracks, sprockets, rails, idlers and all rollers with face seals and hardware (just slide it on the torsion axles) for around $7,500.00. The only thing that the kit doesn't provide is the drive motor and the mount that the motor is attached to otherwise it's a complete undercarriage. If I change my whole undercarriage out at around 1500 hours it would cost me about $5 an hour.


$7500 for 1 complete side or both? I'd say it's a steal for both, what about the updated axles and hubs?
I'd sure like to know how I can go about getting that deal.

[jefftb]

Other than outright employee abuse I do not see how any operating environment with a typical employee can create this damage to a machine in the operating hours indicated. There might be something else out there that is that bad but I'd hate to see it.

[stuvecorp]

I am not sure what the story is behind them. Imagine if they are rentals. Unless your charging for excessive wear (imagine how difficult and unpopular that would be) you could not come close to covering the costs of that kind of damage. AWJ is right its not totally uncommon to see that kind of wear in 800 hours, but then you hear about Dig Deep and he has 1500 hours on his tracks with what sounds like minimal wear.

I just cant imagine paying for that 2006 287B which is fully loaded to include high flow and have it worth, what? 15K in just 800 hours. If there is anyone in America who still wants one of these CATs your silly for buying new when you could buy one of these, rebuild it, and save yourself big money.

There is no way you can charge enough per hour to make up for the abuse that machine has.

[Gravel Rat]

I have to agree that machine has seen some abuse. Maybe somebody that used to running a Bobcat machine wasn't used to the power and brute force the Cat has :laugh:

It makes me sick how operators can beat the crap out of a machine and not think of it.

[Digdeep]

$7500 for 1 complete side or both? I'd say it's a steal for both, what about the updated axles and hubs?
I'd sure like to know how I can go about getting that deal.

The complete undercarriage with face seals

[Digdeep]

Do they do a exchange? Kind of like when you buy certain parts and they have a core charge?

Are these machines from a rental fleet? Sad that they get mauled so soon.

I don't know about the 287 from Iron Planet that started this discussion but the ASV undercarriage packages are not related to any program. As far as I was told there is no core charge. If you buy the package you can keep whatever you want off of the orginal undercarriage.

[bobcat_ron]

The complete undercarriage with face seals

And that's for (2) sets, left and right side?

[lawnboyblake]

Yes,
I have been told the same thing about my rc-60 from my dealer...When the time comes, I believe I will be going that same direction on my machine for undercarriage replacement. I have 1500hrs and still have everything original, other than one track was replaced from a tear. The other track has 1500hrs on it and lots of life left, at least another 500hrs....

[Digdeep]

And that's for (2) sets, left and right side?

Both sides.

[bobcat_ron]

Both sides.

That's a deal.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

If they did swamp mowing and brush hoggin it will kill tracks like that

[Junior M]

If they did swamp mowing and brush hoggin it will kill tracks like that
It shouldnt beat them up like that though, if anything there would be rips and things in the tracks from the stumps and crap...

[DUSTYCEDAR]

we have lots o rocks up here that can do that
sharp stumps stab the tracks

[Junior M]

we have lots o rocks up here that can do that
sharp stumps stab the tracks
Yeah, I never put rocks into account, we dont have many so I dont think about it much. Yeah, stumps would do it, course it would have to be a fresh cut stump, as thick and hard as the tracks are, it would take a purty sharp and stiff stump to run through a track..

[Digdeep]

That's a deal.

Thats not a deal, it is a standard package that they offer through their dealers and it goes a way towards proving my point that the ASV undercarriage is not that expensive to operate. I know I wouldn't need to replace an entire undercarriage, a wheel here or there, sprockets when they are worn, tracks when they need replacing, etc. but for arguments sake I could replace the whole damn thing (entire undercarriage) at 1,000hrs and it would only cost me $7.50 an hour. A more realistic time frame would be from 1500-2000 hours and it would run between $3.75-$5.00.

I still beleive that the main reason why ASVs undercarriages have gotten a bad rap is because of CAT. The machines are not purpose built to match ASVs undercarriages and the CAT dealers try to gouge the customer with crazy repair bills. I bet you your CAT dealer would try to charge you almost double what you could buy this package from an ASV dealer for.

[bobcat_ron]

I bet you your CAT dealer would try to charge you almost double what you could buy this package from an ASV dealer for.

That's why I'm cutting them out of it, I'll just order direct, all the warranty is finished on my undercarriage anways. The only info I can't seem to find is who has the metal front idlers, Bair has aluminum, but I'd rather have steel up front. I recall Cat had that as an option.

[Digdeep]

That's why I'm cutting them out of it, I'll just order direct, all the warranty is finished on my undercarriage anways. The only info I can't seem to find is who has the metal front idlers, Bair has aluminum, but I'd rather have steel up front. I recall Cat had that as an option.

I don't know if ASV has a dealer near you but you should look into it. Demo a PT60 while you're at it:weightlifter:

[ksss]

I still beleive that the main reason why ASVs undercarriages have gotten a bad rap is because of CAT. The machines are not purpose built to match ASVs undercarriages and the CAT dealers try to gouge the customer with crazy repair bills. I bet you your CAT dealer would try to charge you almost double what you could buy this package from an ASV dealer for.


Thats a very interesting view. It is one that has a lot merit to I think. However when CAT first approached ASV about running the ASV undercarriage under a CAT machine, did not someone in the engineering department of ASV say this "may" cause a problem (weight of CAT machines verse the design of the ASV system, etc)? Then when it did cause a problem and it was obvious that ASV was getting lumped into the undercarriage issues with CAT, why they did not stand up and try and protect themselves? I am curious if you (Dig Deep) know the inside story on this? At the very mininum if I was ASV, I would have took a grinder to the ASV printed on the side of the tracks on the CAT machines (Iam kidding):waving:. Assuming that ASV did nothing, then they get what they got. Which is no doubt substantial. How many ASV were not bought because of the association with the CAT MTL's? I don't know but I bet it was a lot. CAT is free to wash their hands of the ASV system by releasing the CTL (which I forecasted). The MTL will be dropped in time. That leaves ASV to hold the bag for all the pissed off CAT owners and all the bad press around the jobsites of the "shitty ASV track system" "hell even CAT quite buying them and built their own system". The cost of this "blunder" as I see it will be felt by Terex/ASV for as long as ASV is around. I am sure ASV made money off of CAT for their suspension, but it certainly wasn't a free ride.

It wasn't enough that CAT launched a marginal system in their MTL's but the real kicker of it is, to rape every MTL customer for parts and labor on these machines when they come apart. The very least they could have done is take less on the repairs and parts as a gesture of good will to the customer. However in true CAT fashion its full price on the labor and double the cost of the parts. I wish someone would go to CAT and price out a comparable parts list to the ASV package deal. I would really like to see what the difference is. I am sure almost double is not out of the question.

Shame on CAT.:hammerhead:

[Digdeep]

Thats a very interesting view. It is one that has a lot merit to I think. However when CAT first approached ASV about running the ASV undercarriage under a CAT machine, did not someone in the engineering department of ASV say this "may" cause a problem (weight of CAT machines verse the design of the ASV system, etc)? Then when it did cause a problem and it was obvious that ASV was getting lumped into the undercarriage issues with CAT, why they did not stand up and try and protect themselves? I am curious if you (Dig Deep) know the inside story on this? At the very mininum if I was ASV, I would have took a grinder to the ASV printed on the side of the tracks on the CAT machines (Iam kidding):waving:. Assuming that ASV did nothing, then they get what they got. Which is no doubt substantial. How many ASV were not bought because of the association with the CAT MTL's? I don't know but I bet it was a lot. CAT is free to wash their hands of the ASV system by releasing the CTL (which I forecasted). The MTL will be dropped in time. That leaves ASV to hold the bag for all the pissed off CAT owners and all the bad press around the jobsites of the "shitty ASV track system" "hell even CAT quite buying them and built their own system". The cost of this "blunder" as I see it will be felt by Terex/ASV for as long as ASV is around. I am sure ASV made money off of CAT for their suspension, but it certainly wasn't a free ride.

Ksss you bring up some good points. Those are millon dollar questions. If you or I had the answers we'd be fishing in the tropics somewhere drinking cold beer.

I remember initially selling our 864 against the ASV machines and it was a tall order in terms of performance. Our machine just couldn't do what the ASVs could but they offered no financing, their dealers were small and we had the Bobcat name so we won most of the deals. I ultimately bought my RC50 when I went into teaching because of the performance of that machine for its size and talking to many owners about operating costs. I knew what our bobcats were like and I had seen enough of the other CTLs out there too.

I bet that ASV may have been excited about their relationship with CAT due to their reputation and the fact that CAT owned almost 25% of ASV may have had something to do with them getting lumped into the same category. Supposedly CAT is going to be buying undercarriages from ASV until 2012 so the association won't entirely go away. Maybe CATs new CTL will alter the perception of ASV over the next few years with them selling the only truly suspended CTL built specifically for tracks.

[bobcat_ron]

Thats a very interesting view. It is one that has a lot merit to I think. However when CAT first approached ASV about running the ASV undercarriage under a CAT machine, did not someone in the engineering department of ASV say this "may" cause a problem (weight of CAT machines verse the design of the ASV system, etc)? Then when it did cause a problem and it was obvious that ASV was getting lumped into the undercarriage issues with CAT, why they did not stand up and try and protect themselves? I am curious if you (Dig Deep) know the inside story on this? At the very mininum if I was ASV, I would have took a grinder to the ASV printed on the side of the tracks on the CAT machines (Iam kidding):waving:. Assuming that ASV did nothing, then they get what they got. Which is no doubt substantial. How many ASV were not bought because of the association with the CAT MTL's? I don't know but I bet it was a lot. CAT is free to wash their hands of the ASV system by releasing the CTL (which I forecasted). The MTL will be dropped in time. That leaves ASV to hold the bag for all the pissed off CAT owners and all the bad press around the jobsites of the "shitty ASV track system" "hell even CAT quite buying them and built their own system". The cost of this "blunder" as I see it will be felt by Terex/ASV for as long as ASV is around. I am sure ASV made money off of CAT for their suspension, but it certainly wasn't a free ride.

It wasn't enough that CAT launched a marginal system in their MTL's but the real kicker of it is, to rape every MTL customer for parts and labor on these machines when they come apart. The very least they could have done is take less on the repairs and parts as a gesture of good will to the customer. However in true CAT fashion its full price on the labor and double the cost of the parts. I wish someone would go to CAT and price out a comparable parts list to the ASV package deal. I would really like to see what the difference is. I am sure almost double is not out of the question.

Shame on CAT.:hammerhead:

I see it as...if someone showed me a wad of money and told me that they want 25% of my business, I'd ask them how far do you want me to bend over sir?
I'd take the money and I think that was the only opportunity that ASV had to break into the MTL industry with a bang, their thoughts were that if a multi-billion dollar name was running their undercarriages, it'll be good for them.

On another note, I'm not so sure Cat will bring the C series down to the smaller frames, at least the CTL's, those traditional systems need some major power to turn and 57 hp is not going to be enough.
Bring back the 267 Mr. Caterpillar, that was a beauty of a frame, and drop a set of 15 inch tracks on it, and I'll take one.

[ksss]

I see it as...if someone showed me a wad of money and told me that they want 25% of my business, I'd ask them how far do you want me to bend over sir?
I'd take the money and I think that was the only opportunity that ASV had to break into the MTL industry with a bang, their thoughts were that if a multi-billion dollar name was running their undercarriages, it'll be good for them.

On another note, I'm not so sure Cat will bring the C series down to the smaller frames, at least the CTL's, those traditional systems need some major power to turn and 57 hp is not going to be enough.
Bring back the 267 Mr. Caterpillar, that was a beauty of a frame, and drop a set of 15 inch tracks on it, and I'll take one.


There is no doubt in my mind that ASV executives saw dollar signs. However I would stake whats left of my 401K, that around the watercooler the engineers forsaw the problem. I am not an ASV fanboy per say, but I will always give credit where it is due. These guys designed the chassis and the suspension under it. If they thought they could get away with a conventional skid steer design I am sure they would have. After all why build the chassis when you could just bolt the suspension system to anyones machine. You sell it like the VTS. They purpose built the chassis and the suspension and for the most part they did a pretty good job of mating the two together. They then turned around and violated that philosophy by bolting it up to a CAT skid steer. On the surface it seems like a major contradiction to me. I am sure there is a lot to this story, that we will likely never know.

[MackCat]

Thats a very interesting view. It is one that has a lot merit to I think. However when CAT first approached ASV about running the ASV undercarriage under a CAT machine, did not someone in the engineering department of ASV say this "may" cause a problem (weight of CAT machines verse the design of the ASV system, etc)? Then when it did cause a problem and it was obvious that ASV was getting lumped into the undercarriage issues with CAT, why they did not stand up and try and protect themselves? I am curious if you (Dig Deep) know the inside story on this? At the very mininum if I was ASV, I would have took a grinder to the ASV printed on the side of the tracks on the CAT machines (Iam kidding):waving:. Assuming that ASV did nothing, then they get what they got. Which is no doubt substantial. How many ASV were not bought because of the association with the CAT MTL's? I don't know but I bet it was a lot. CAT is free to wash their hands of the ASV system by releasing the CTL (which I forecasted). The MTL will be dropped in time. That leaves ASV to hold the bag for all the pissed off CAT owners and all the bad press around the jobsites of the "shitty ASV track system" "hell even CAT quite buying them and built their own system". The cost of this "blunder" as I see it will be felt by Terex/ASV for as long as ASV is around. I am sure ASV made money off of CAT for their suspension, but it certainly wasn't a free ride.

It wasn't enough that CAT launched a marginal system in their MTL's but the real kicker of it is, to rape every MTL customer for parts and labor on these machines when they come apart. The very least they could have done is take less on the repairs and parts as a gesture of good will to the customer. However in true CAT fashion its full price on the labor and double the cost of the parts. I wish someone would go to CAT and price out a comparable parts list to the ASV package deal. I would really like to see what the difference is. I am sure almost double is not out of the question.

Shame on CAT.:hammerhead:
ASV had the same shitty undercarriage on their own machines I`ve owned 4 of them and could not keep seals and bearing in them, so it was not just on CAT Machines. at least CAT will stand behind their machines and not give you the runaround like ASV DOES!

[Digdeep]

ASV had the same shitty undercarriage on their own machines I`ve owned 4 of them and could not keep seals and bearing in them, so it was not just on CAT Machines. at least CAT will stand behind their machines and not give you the runaround like ASV DOES!

I'm curious as to why you've owned four of them if they gave you nothing but problems. That's too bad. I hate to see anyone have a bad experience with equipment regardless of brand...even Ksss and his Powertan machines:drinkup:

[Junior M]

even Ksss and his Powertan machines:drinkup:

:clapping::clapping::laugh: :laugh: :cool2:

[ksss]

I'm curious as to why you've owned four of them if they gave you nothing but problems. That's too bad. I hate to see anyone have a bad experience with equipment regardless of brand...even Ksss and his Powertan machines:drinkup:


Good thing that there are only positive experiences when your running PowerTan!


I have not heard of many cases where CAT has stood behind the MTL. I am sure they have in some cases and the times they don't are proclaimed from the Mnt tops, but what CAT needed to do was offer a program or something to help those owners out. The improvements should have come alot quicker than they did. The C series is probably better. Why did it take so long to start fixing the issues (how effective remains to be seen). Why does Blair industries have to come out with the fixes in the aftermarket and not CAT or ASV. CAT is certainly not the white knight in all of this.


And Jr. what the hell are clapping about?

[Junior M]

Good thing that there are only positive experiences when your running PowerTan!


I have not heard of many cases where CAT has stood behind the MTL. I am sure they have in some cases and the times they don't are proclaimed from the Mnt tops, but what CAT needed to do was offer a program or something to help those owners out. The improvements should have come alot quicker than they did. The C series is probably better. Why did it take so long to start fixing the issues (how effective remains to be seen). Why does Blair industries have to come out with the fixes in the aftermarket and not CAT or ASV. CAT is certainly not the white knight in all of this.


And Jr. what the hell are clapping about?
Oh, you cant tell me you havent had atleast one problem with your powertan? Wasnt the turbo out of your 9020 when you bought it?

Cause someone else is messin with ya now to..

[MackCat]

I'm curious as to why you've owned four of them if they gave you nothing but problems. That's too bad. I hate to see anyone have a bad experience with equipment regardless of brand...even Ksss and his Powertan machines:drinkup:
The reason I owned four was they were the only machine at the time that would run my brushcutter and climb the hills i had to climb, but it got to the point where ASV would not stand behind their product even under warranty so i decided it was time to go to a company that would stand behind their products and i traded my ASV for a new 297C CAT High flow. Best move i`ve ever made great machine and a great dealer to go with it!

[Digdeep]

The reason I owned four was they were the only machine at the time that would run my brushcutter and climb the hills i had to climb, but it got to the point where ASV would not stand behind their product even under warranty so i decided it was time to go to a company that would stand behind their products and i traded my ASV for a new 297C CAT High flow. Best move i`ve ever made great machine and a great dealer to go with it!

I wish you the best of luck and profitability. I like the ASV undercarriage on the 297C and I hope you can keep bearings and seals in them unlike your ASV machines. I wonder why ASV chose to only put it on their PT80 because I think the PT100 would benefit from having a more open undercarriage too.

[MackCat]

I wish you the best of luck and profitability. I like the ASV undercarriage on the 297C and I hope you can keep bearings and seals in them unlike your ASV machines. I wonder why ASV chose to only put it on their PT80 because I think the PT100 would benefit from having a more open undercarriage too.
Thank You I appreciate That . The undercarriage is great on my 297C CAT says they have the seals and bearing issue resolved. Time will Tell.

[talus]

I would like to think they have the bearing issue resolved as well. However a friend of mine also has a sr80. One of the bearings on one of the large rear wheels in the back went. His machine has +/- 500 hrs(he actually uses his). Mine has only got 100.:laugh: I soak the squirrel cage and jack screw and just about evrything else I can with Fluid Film. I don't know if this helps but it makes me fell better. Plus the mud and manure doesn't seem to stick as much.

[KRtraxx]

The bearings are easily attainable at any bearing shop, ASV didn't use anything fancy like Berco does.
The reason NuAir tires prices haven't dropped, is because they are a high demand tire and this is a bad time to get any type of tires, wait until early spring, snow tires here are hard to get due to the laws in Eastern Canada regulating snow tires and that is affecting tire rubber companies.
I would never even think about buying a used 267B-287B MTL, they were the worst for repairs, the 247/257's can be upgraded to the new style shafts/bearings/rollers easily.

Dont know all the details yet but a replacement UC for the 267/277/287 is in the works from Loegering...Dont know if its complete with drive motor and all or not..I would guess it has some resemblance to the VTS system.. May find out more soon with prices...

[ksss]

Oh, you cant tell me you havent had atleast one problem with your powertan? Wasnt the turbo out of your 9020 when you bought it?

Cause someone else is messin with ya now to..


Oh I have had problems. The turbo had 8K hours on the 9020B. They treat me real good.