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JimLewis
01-13-2009, 01:28 PM
One challenge I frequently have is a customer wants us to construct a SRW along their property line. Then they also want a fence right on top of the SRW. In the past, I've just told them that wasn't possible and that we needed to construct the fence just inside the wall, and they'd effectively be losing a foot or more of their property.

But I started thinking, there must be some good way to do this without having to make the customer lose part of their property.

I don't like to use Cinder Blocks. I know that's an option. It's just not common around here and I really prefer SRW units over cinder blocks, by far.

So have any of you worked a wood fence INTO an SRW or on top of an SRW before? How'd you do it? Got any photos???

wurkn with amish
01-13-2009, 01:50 PM
why not just have Srws as fence posts? put your wood or iron in between.

gcgrant
01-13-2009, 03:36 PM
http://www.geogrid.com/content/view/49/133/

Take a look at this product and see if it will work for you.

mcclureandson
01-13-2009, 03:43 PM
That product looks good but your fence is still set back from the wall face. I think Jim is asking how to avoid losing 12" of setback from the wall face when sleeving for posts.

The only way I know would be to integrate columns into the wall with two-sided block and use those for 'posts' - spaced 6'-8' and spanned with wood panels, hardipanels or decorative iron etc.

JimLewis
01-13-2009, 04:26 PM
That product looks good but your fence is still set back from the wall face. I think Jim is asking how to avoid losing 12" of setback from the wall face when sleeving for posts.


Exactly. We want to have little or no setback.

Something kinda like this;

.http://www.wayraycontracting.com/images/upload/1159500791Fence%20and%20retaining%20wall.jpg



or this;

.http://www.wayraycontracting.com/images/upload/1159500786Fence%20and%20ret%20wall%202.jpg

mrusk
01-13-2009, 04:58 PM
Any ideas above will cost a ton of money.

What I would do is get the property line marked my a surveyor. So you know EXACTLY where the line is. Build the wall on the line or as close to the line as possible. Then put the fence post right against the wall.

What are you loosing 6" tops?

DVS Hardscaper
01-13-2009, 05:08 PM
There are sleeves that can go in, not "in" the block, but right behind the block, in which you may then drop in fence posts. These sleeves are made specifically for the retaining wall industry.

Bru75
01-13-2009, 09:01 PM
The walls above look to be mortared walls, I don't believe that there is a way to build a fence like that on a SRW wall.

richallseasons
01-14-2009, 04:30 PM
The walls above look to be mortared walls, I don't believe that there is a way to build a fence like that on a SRW wall.

Thats what it looks like to me also, I would probably say that you should not build a fence on an SRW unless it was a small decorative fence say under two feet tall. anything more and say good bye in the wind.

zedosix
01-14-2009, 04:48 PM
One challenge I frequently have is a customer wants us to construct a SRW along their property line. Then they also want a fence right on top of the SRW. In the past, I've just told them that wasn't possible and that we needed to construct the fence just inside the wall, and they'd effectively be losing a foot or more of their property.

But I started thinking, there must be some good way to do this without having to make the customer lose part of their property.

I don't like to use Cinder Blocks. I know that's an option. It's just not common around here and I really prefer SRW units over cinder blocks, by far.

So have any of you worked a wood fence INTO an SRW or on top of an SRW before? How'd you do it? Got any photos???


Your biggest challenge is the wind that will blow against it and move the block. We've done them before directly on the wall, but only with aluminum.

PlatinumLandCon
01-14-2009, 06:09 PM
Your biggest challenge is the wind that will blow against it and move the block. We've done them before directly on the wall, but only with aluminum.

Thats what I was tihnking, wind or leaning on it. I could see it done with a chain-link because its pretty light, not sure how you would do an SRW.

What about core drilling the blocks and slipping a 2" post in like seen in the 1st pic.

DVS Hardscaper
01-14-2009, 07:56 PM
Here, we have an ornamental fence that is set in the wall caps / block


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/ScapeItWS6360CJ7/Dream%20It%20-%20Do%20It/RetainingWall.jpg

loupiscopolandscaping
01-14-2009, 11:34 PM
nice product! looks easy to work with too

OUTLANDER
01-24-2009, 04:13 PM
Exactly. We want to have little or no setback.

Something kinda like this;

.http://www.wayraycontracting.com/images/upload/1159500791Fence%20and%20retaining%20wall.jpg



or this;

.http://www.wayraycontracting.com/images/upload/1159500786Fence%20and%20ret%20wall%202.jpg

this 2nd one is just a poured wall w/ a fence on top

JimLewis
01-24-2009, 05:05 PM
I guess there's just no easy way to do this with SRWs. That's fine. The customer and I agreed to install a wood retaining wall instead, and we can easily insert posts right into the wood retaining wall.

Retaining wall in this case only needs to be 2'6" at the highest point anyway.

OUTLANDER
01-24-2009, 05:23 PM
I guess there's just no easy way to do this with SRWs. That's fine. The customer and I agreed to install a wood retaining wall instead, and we can easily insert posts right into the wood retaining wall.

Retaining wall in this case only needs to be 2'6" at the highest point anyway.

ever see the concrete tubes for setting deck posts?........install these behind wall when back filling. set posts, and install fence after

JimLewis
01-24-2009, 05:33 PM
Yah, I know how to do it that way. That's basically how we usually do it.

You're missing the point, though. This guy really wants the edge of the fence to be exactly in line with the edge of the retaining wall. If I install the fence in the backfill side of the wall, he loses 12" of his property. He's not cool with that.

OUTLANDER
01-24-2009, 05:40 PM
Yah, I know how to do it that way. That's basically how we usually do it.

You're missing the point, though. This guy really wants the edge of the fence to be exactly in line with the edge of the retaining wall. If I install the fence in the backfill side of the wall, he loses 12" of his property. He's not cool with that.

wow then yes that would be a problem, but think you have already solved with a timber wall, but will the finish side face in or out?

JimLewis
01-24-2009, 05:53 PM
His property slopes away from his house. So the wall we will install will face the neighbor. And so will the finished side of the fence.

McLandscapingInc
01-25-2009, 01:40 PM
we use a product called sleeve it. it is a 10" OD plastic collar with rebar that ties it back into the land. has worked very well for us.

http://www.geogrid.com/content/view/49/133/

OUTLANDER
01-25-2009, 01:55 PM
we use a product called sleeve it. it is a 10" OD plastic collar with rebar that ties it back into the land. has worked very well for us.

http://www.geogrid.com/content/view/49/133/

i think they want the fence in line with the wall on this job, not back set

OUTLANDER
01-25-2009, 02:01 PM
i don't think i'd do anything other than a timber wall in this job....no matter how big the wall is.Changing the structure of the srw wall to include fence posts will deffinately void it's purpose

Big Bad Bob
02-18-2009, 11:39 PM
Yah, I know how to do it that way. That's basically how we usually do it.

You're missing the point, though. This guy really wants the edge of the fence to be exactly in line with the edge of the retaining wall. If I install the fence in the backfill side of the wall, he loses 12" of his property. He's not cool with that.

Just a thought. How about doing the posts inside the wall and then spacing the fence, on top of the blocks to the outside edge of the wall. In other words, adding a spacer to the posts to mount the fence.

OUTLANDER
02-18-2009, 11:57 PM
Just a thought. How about doing the posts inside the wall and then spacing the fence, on top of the blocks to the outside edge of the wall. In other words, adding a spacer to the posts to mount the fence.

not a bad idea....good thinking

soopa
02-19-2009, 10:27 AM
Here's one I did:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/3087263804_50f115f9e2.jpg

It's Delgard aluminum fence mounted to the wall using base flanges:
https://www.fencecenter.com/images/upload/items/large/9761_DPRBF.JPG

We drilled 9" x 7/16" holes through the caps and into the second course of block, cut 3/8" stainless steel threaded rod into 10" pieces, and epoxied the rod into the block. Of course, this required too that all courses of the wall be glued together as well (using ALOT of Brickstik).

soopa
02-19-2009, 10:37 AM
What about using something like Allan Block's Courtyard collection…

http://www.allanblock.com/Courtyard/HowTos/image/02ADDINGSTRENGTH8530.jpg

They allow 1 3/8" pipe through the block, no reason you couldn't use this pipe as your fence posts I suppose…

JimLewis
02-20-2009, 12:51 AM
Are the Allan Block Courtyard Wall blocks rated for retaining weight? I thought they were just to be used as free standing walls.

soopa
02-20-2009, 08:35 AM
I believe it is intended for freestanding installation, I've never used it myself. How tall does your retaining wall need to be? Is it on a slope or seeing any surcharge loads?

SoDak
02-23-2009, 07:47 PM
Knowing that I needed to install a fence on top of a wall, I glued the top 4 rows of block and the cap then anchored the post to the top of the wall. So far it has held up well.

JimLewis
02-24-2009, 12:45 PM
Just for the record, bidding ended for this job over a month ago. So if you're trying to help me with this job, it's too late. If you all want to continue the conversation anyway, that's cool. Just thought I'd let you know.