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MDLawn
01-18-2009, 09:40 PM
Hey guys got a quick question if you have time. I've been reading many resources for interlocking pavers and have read many different ways for installation. My question is how and mainly when do you guys install the restraint edging. The one thing I believe I do know is that the restraints must be on the subbase and not the sand. Do you install the edging before or after the pavers are set in place (I have seen both examples). Any help appreciated. I do not do installations or offer this service as I need more education on it. Just looking for information. I will be looking into ICPI also. Thanks for any help in advance.

sgallaher
01-18-2009, 10:02 PM
In my opinion it does not matter. I've done it both ways, all depends on he install. If you want your install to be an exact size put the restraint in first and work from the edge in. Most installs that I've done the size can flex a bit. That way you can lay all your pavers and minimize cuts by using full pieces along the edge. Yes the edge restraint needs to be on the base and not the sand. Use a trowel to pull the sand back and make a need edge for the restraint.

MDLawn
01-18-2009, 10:12 PM
Use a trowel to pull the sand back and make a need edge for the restraint.

Thanks you totally answered my next question. I think I want to put in a smaller patio at my own home first so if I totally screw it up only my wife will be mad when it takes me a while to do it.

MDLawn
01-18-2009, 10:22 PM
If I still have anyone's attention. What are the ways you guys go about digging out the ground for your base layer and which one have you found works the best. I know there isn't a one size fits all but just a majority.

Skid Steer?
Mini Excavator?
Mini Skid Steer?
Other?

This site is great. A lot of good pro's with great information.

Bru75
01-18-2009, 11:04 PM
It all depends on the particulars of the installation. For a large area with good access I use a skid loader, walkways and smaller areas a backhoe, and for really limited access a shovel. However you do it, the important thing is to dig to solid undisturbed ground and to get rid of any organic material (roots, grass, etc.). Hope this helps.
Good idea practicing at your own house. My first walkway and patio were at my house, also. Looking back, I did alright but I could do much, much better now.

MDLawn
01-18-2009, 11:11 PM
It all depends on the particulars of the installation. For a large area with good access I use a skid loader, walkways and smaller areas a backhoe, and for really limited access a shovel. However you do it, the important thing is to dig to solid undisturbed ground and to get rid of any organic material (roots, grass, etc.). Hope this helps.
Good idea practicing at your own house. My first walkway and patio were at my house, also. Looking back, I did alright but I could do much, much better now.

Thanks for the info. Yea it seems that with everything anyone does they get better at it each time (at least you'd hope that)

EliteScapes
02-20-2009, 10:28 PM
For all our installs we use a concrete edging 6-7" deep with rebar! Different and very strong. We have used other edging products, they seem to bend and flex away from the pavers. Especially on driveways.

tatmkr
02-21-2009, 08:48 PM
I can say that in 10 years, I have never put the edging in first. If you are using sand the it realy is best to put the edging down on the base and not the sand. This does create extra work for you, but then again it doesn't concern me. I gave up sand years ago and moved to crushed 9's and with overbase I never have a problem putting the edging on the 9's. In addition we only use 1/2" to ensure the base is as level as possible.

Bru75
02-22-2009, 12:12 AM
I agree. Edging goes in last, just easier that way. Even "exact size" installations can usually be adjusted +/- a few inches to use full pavers. Just be sure to have that understanding with the owner - if they really want the size to be truly exact, then I'll cut all of the little 1" pieces to make them happy.

B & B Yardscape
02-25-2009, 06:15 PM
Edging goes in last. To many things can change if you put it in first. I scrape away the sand with my hands and put the edging in with 12" nails on top of the base.

Good Luck

MDLawn
03-05-2009, 10:20 PM
Thanks everyone for the responses.
Hopefully I can get some cash together and build a patio at my house this year. At least I can learn without the possibility of screwing it up and then really looking like a fool to a customer, not to mention definitely losing money. I agree with some of the other threads about taking the certification classes. They definitely help in understanding but until you actually construct something you have no clue on how it will go. There should be more practical testing in those courses.

Oh well, I think I have it down for my home patio construction.

Again thanks for the information.