Ford F150 DIESEL (WHAT)

[ALLPro Landscaping]

So I here by 2010 ford will have the 4.4L diesel in their F-150's What do you think, I think if the power stroke gets any smaller I think they will be out of business. Don't we all buy the 350 diesel etc for the payload, I know I dont buy for reliability any more

[TomberLawn]

I bet Super Duty and other 3/4-1 ton truck sales will drop when diesel half-tons come out. From what I see, most people buy the bigger trucks because they want to be in style with a diesel Lariat, SLT, LT, King Ranch. Just from my observations, most of the trucks that actually get worked are gas because the fleet manager can't afford the $6000 price tag of the diesel engine option for every truck. The big diesels that have higher towing capacities are usually just daily drivers or for hauling a couple of horses on the weekend. If these drivers can get a smaller, less expensive truck with a diesel engine, they probably will.

[djagusch]

Ford actually is building the engine not advanstar (or the company that made the powerstrokes). I'm actually going to say in about 3 years or less that they won't have a engine built by them either. Advanstar and Ford just settled a law suit about for building this motor and ended their 30 year contract to supply Ford with the diesel motors.

It will be interesting to see what all happens with money in other diesel manufacturers.

[4.3mudder]

Someone told me you can have a custom order 1/2 chevy truck with a diesel, now if that is true I'm not sure, but that's just what someone told me.

[Rhett]

Drove the smaller turbo diesels over seas and loved them. Pull a house and get fourty miles to the gallon. Hopefully ford will learn a lesson from Toyota and give us a 1/2 ton truck that can tow safely 10,000 plus punds

[lawnman_scott]

Ford actually is building the engine not advanstar (or the company that made the powerstrokes). I'm actually going to say in about 3 years or less that they won't have a engine built by them either. Advanstar and Ford just settled a law suit about for building this motor and ended their 30 year contract to supply Ford with the diesel motors.

It will be interesting to see what all happens with money in other diesel manufacturers.ford makes the 6.4 deisel that came in the 08 f-250.

[NEW CITY LAWN CARE LLC]

Well a lot of the Isuzu NPR's have a 4 cyl. Diesel and they have plenty of power, so maybe they are leaning towards smaller/compact, more fuel efficient, but still maintain the power curve?

[TomberLawn]

ford makes the 6.4 deisel that came in the 08 f-250.

That is still a Navistar engine. They called the 6.0L a VT365 and the new 6.4 is the MaxxForce 7 medium duty truck engine. Ford and Navistar have settled their lawsuit, but have agreed to end their relationship the end of this year. Some auto magazines and websites report that Ford has shelved the diesel F150 idea. That's too bad. They should keep working with Navistar and get the 4.5L MaxxForce 5 V6 diesel for the F150. In the International trucks, this engine is rated for 200hp and 440 lb/ft of torque. In a pickup truck, they would probably derate the torque and increase the horsepower, for marketing. Probably be 250-300hp and 350-400lb/ft if it was in a half-ton (those numbers are higher than the older big diesels already!). But, it's all still speculation.

Dodge is rumored to have a V8 Cummins in the works for the new Ram 1500. GM also has a 4.5L V8 Duramax that is supposed to be able to fit wherever they are currently using a smallblock V8.

It will be nice to have half ton diesels once again (GM had them back in the 80s and a few in the 90s), but they will cost a lot. You probably will not see anything at all out of them before 2010 because that's when the next emission phase comes in. The power will be great, fuel economy better than a gas, but price will probably be $5000+ over a gas truck.

[CGlandscaping]

All these truck companys have their prices to dang high anyway. They wouldnt be hurting soo much if they built better products and actually but a smart price on them. when i bought my F-250 new i went with gas cause it was another 6,000 dollars just for a dang deisel.... When i finally got my 2nd truck i got it used and got a deisel love how it pulls my dump trailer......

[topsites]

Because to those who suffer from engine envy, size matters.
But to those who would rather have economy than power, bigger usually isn't better.

[lawnman_scott]

All these truck companys have their prices to dang high anyway. They wouldnt be hurting soo much if they built better products and actually but a smart price on them. when i bought my F-250 new i went with gas cause it was another 6,000 dollars just for a dang deisel.... When i finally got my 2nd truck i got it used and got a deisel love how it pulls my dump trailer......
So in hindsight was it worth $6000 for the deisel? It was for me.

[Littleyardgnome]

The biggest issue with this..."Ford is thinking about". In my opinion, the american made vehicle manufacturers spend too much time thinking about things. If they would spend less time thinking about things and actually do something, they would probably be far more successful.

They need to have 5-7 year projects to produce a glass roofed pregnant skateboard. Are you telling me that this is a huge vehicle re-design that takes years to complete? Not a chance...it is a basic powertrain conversion that most garage mechanics can complete successfully in a couple weekends. I can recognize that they are a manufacturer so it will take longer to make everything perfectly matched and absolutely professional (They have highly skilled engineers of every variety, amazing computer CAD programs, etc, etc). Garage mechanics have been completing powertrain, straight 6 to V8, V6/V8 to honking huge V8 since vehicles have damn near been on our roadways with little more than the desire, a plum bob, and a measuring tape.

There has always been a big divide between what could be done and what they are willing to do.

There is no reason whatsoever that we do not have 1/2 ton or midsize pick-up/SUV diesels available. We should have diesel options for Explorers, Expeditions, Durangos, Rangers, Colorado's/Canyons, F150, Ram 1500, Sierra/Silverado 1500, Tahoe, etc, etc.

They are too concerned about future gas mileage hurdles and building little space ship styled cars that can't and won't meet the commercial markets needs or needs of most MEN instead of just making affordable diesels that would help them get there. Hey as long as the goofy hat and shoe wearing urbanite metrosexual can get to work at his cubicle in his neato little metrosexual electric car our world will be a better place.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

I am just going to drive my john deere from now on

[Perfect Image TLM]

Because to those who suffer from engine envy, size matters.
But to those who would rather have economy than power, bigger usually isn't better.

I can see that.

[nosparkplugs]

I started a thread "1/2ton diesel spy report" a while back, read it. The 1/2 ton diesel will be offered ONLY IN THE PREMIUM PACKAGE TRIM. No stripped down work truck it will be their top of the line models $40K up

Ford guys you loose Ford will be the last to introduce their F150 diesel late 2010, maybe 2011. The GM Duramax 1/2 ton will be the first to market, second Dodge Cummins.

[ed2hess]

The biggest issue with this..."Ford is thinking about". In my opinion, the american made vehicle manufacturers spend too much time thinking about things. If they would spend less time thinking about things and actually do something, they would probably be far more successful.

They need to have 5-7 year projects to produce a glass roofed pregnant skateboard. Are you telling me that this is a huge vehicle re-design that takes years to complete? Not a chance...it is a basic powertrain conversion that most garage mechanics can complete successfully in a couple weekends. I can recognize that they are a manufacturer so it will take longer to make everything perfectly matched and absolutely professional (They have highly skilled engineers of every variety, amazing computer CAD programs, etc, etc). Garage mechanics have been completing powertrain, straight 6 to V8, V6/V8 to honking huge V8 since vehicles have damn near been on our roadways with little more than the desire, a plum bob, and a measuring tape.

There has always been a big divide between what could be done and what they are willing to do.

There is no reason whatsoever that we do not have 1/2 ton or midsize pick-up/SUV diesels available. We should have diesel options for Explorers, Expeditions, Durangos, Rangers, Colorado's/Canyons, F150, Ram 1500, Sierra/Silverado 1500, Tahoe, etc, etc.

They are too concerned about future gas mileage hurdles and building little space ship styled cars that can't and won't meet the commercial markets needs or needs of most MEN instead of just making affordable diesels that would help them get there. Hey as long as the goofy hat and shoe wearing urbanite metrosexual can get to work at his cubicle in his neato little metrosexual electric car our world will be a better place.

Problem now is they are marching to the orders of the government working on the goofy electric car that will cost a fortunate. And that stupid hybrid that runs on two fuels but nobody can find the corn stuff in our area so they run on gas. To bad they didn't take T-bones idea of running on natural gas, that could probably be done in a year.

[nosparkplugs]

The biggest issue with this..."Ford is thinking about". In my opinion, the american made vehicle manufacturers spend too much time thinking about things. If they would spend less time thinking about things and actually do something, they would probably be far more successful.

The engineer's think up these new ideas the economy & EPA sell or kill them.


They need to have 5-7 year projects to produce a glass roofed pregnant skateboard. Are you telling me that this is a huge vehicle re-design that takes years to complete? Not a chance...it is a basic powertrain conversion that most garage mechanics can complete successfully in a couple weekends. I can recognize that they are a manufacturer so it will take longer to make everything perfectly matched and absolutely professional (They have highly skilled engineers of every variety, amazing computer CAD programs, etc, etc). Garage mechanics have been completing powertrain, straight 6 to V8, V6/V8 to honking huge V8 since vehicles have damn near been on our roadways with little more than the desire, a plum bob, and a measuring tape.

There has always been a big divide between what could be done and what they are willing to do.

There is no reason whatsoever that we do not have 1/2 ton or midsize pick-up/SUV diesels available. We should have diesel options for Explorers, Expeditions, Durangos, Rangers, Colorado's/Canyons, F150, Ram 1500, Sierra/Silverado 1500, Tahoe, etc, etc.

They are too concerned about future gas mileage hurdles and building little space ship styled cars that can't and won't meet the commercial markets needs or needs of most MEN instead of just making affordable diesels that would help them get there. Hey as long as the goofy hat and shoe wearing urbanite metrosexual can get to work at his cubicle in his neato little metrosexual electric car our world will be a better place.



Right now the V6 Duramax & Cummins V6 diesel will fit in all their current SUV & some passenger vehicle production lines; however the additional cost of the optional diesel engine has always increased production cost.

GM & Ford both are very profitable in the Euro diesel market. The European market uses diesel power as their primary fuel of choice. The EPA cannot decide on one alternative fuel source so where in limbo:waving:. With that said Clean diesel technology is going to explode, and it's already started with the new German clean diesels VW, BMW,MB,AUDI. Their getting Hybrid MPG numbers with no batteries or major change in production lines. Diesel Power will/is playing a huge role, to what extent is to be seen.

[GreenAcresLC]

My grandfather has an old Ford Ranger with a little 3 cylinder diesel. I think it may be like an '82 or '83, something like that. Not over abundant in power, but very reliable. Thing must have a million miles on it (served as a wide load escort truck for about 12 years), and it still goes strong. The body is about to rot off the vehicle, but I think a battery is about all the maintenance that's ever been done under the hood.

The little thing gets better than 30 MPG, from an early '80's vehicle. Why can't they have the proper hindsight/foresight combination to bring that back again?

[Lucky Star Lawn Care]

I think its a good idea and will work out very well for all. I will probably stick to 250 and 350s though. Love me some diesel!

[razor1]

My grandfather has an old Ford Ranger with a little 3 cylinder diesel. I think it may be like an '82 or '83, something like that. Not over abundant in power, but very reliable. Thing must have a million miles on it (served as a wide load escort truck for about 12 years), and it still goes strong. The body is about to rot off the vehicle, but I think a battery is about all the maintenance that's ever been done under the hood.

The little thing gets better than 30 MPG, from an early '80's vehicle. Why can't they have the proper hindsight/foresight combination to bring that back again?

There used to be an Isuzu Pup diesel back then too. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Isuzu-1981-ISUZU-PICK-UP-PUP-4X4-DIESEL_W0QQitemZ190281323616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item190281323616&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[LindblomRJ]

I am guessing the market for the F150 diesel is going to be the yuppy that has a crew cab Powerstoke to drive back and forth from work and it may or may not have scratch in the box.

I think its a brillaint idea. Something GM has done with half tons from 82 to 98. FIrst with the 6.2 (was able to get decent mileage... That was about it. and the 6.5 for a while.)

[greendoctor]

I like the idea of a smaller diesel much better than another behemoth in the style of the V-10 and Hemi. Especially if the engine is running on biodiesel. I have seen that old Ford Ranger once here. It had a 4 cylinder diesel. Slow, low power, but not everyone needs to be able to tow a 15,000 lb trailer.

[Littleyardgnome]

Obama may be forcing the Big 3's hand soon with 2011 fuel efficiency standards mandated by this March and rolling back Bush's emissions standards today.

If the Big 3 are smart, they will turn to mid-size PU's/SUV's diesel packages very soon...it will get them much closer to any fuel efficiency standard proposed. Who is gonna fight near 30mpg 1/2 ton pick-ups/ 1/2 ton SUV's/1/2 ton vans that can be run on American made Biodiesel/Biodiesel blends.

If I was buying a Ranger/Sonoma/Dakota a diesel 4 banger would be great too.

Get on it Big 3!!!

[nnj18]

Obama may be forcing the Big 3's hand soon with 2011 fuel efficiency standards mandated by this March and rolling back Bush's emissions standards today.

If the Big 3 are smart, they will turn to mid-size PU's/SUV's diesel packages very soon...it will get them much closer to any fuel efficiency standard proposed. Who is gonna fight near 30mpg 1/2 ton pick-ups/ 1/2 ton SUV's/1/2 ton vans that can be run on American made Biodiesel/Biodiesel blends.

If I was buying a Ranger/Sonoma/Dakota a diesel 4 banger would be great too.

Get on it Big 3!!!


lol you really should study your shyt before you talk. You do realise the GOVERNMENT is AGAINST diesel engines??????

[greendoctor]

lol you really should study your shyt before you talk. You do realise the GOVERNMENT is AGAINST diesel engines??????

The EPA has had a grudge against diesel engines since 1985. America could have had all of the efficient and powerful turbodiesel engines German and Japanese auto manufacturers made, but the EPA went on a crusade I suspect had nothing to do with health and the environment. Europe is more Green and "socialist" than America, yet over half of all vehicles there run on diesel. So is Australia. If you remember that clown Steve Irwin, "The Crocodile Hunter", listen very carefully to his Toyota truck, that is a diesel, not the gas guzzling V-6 or V-8 Americans are stuck with. GM did not help the image of diesel engines either. In the 80's I remember the V-8 they converted to diesel by just changing the head and compression ratio. :hammerhead: It was stuck into Cadilacs and Buicks in an attempt to compete with Mercedes and their inline 5 super engine. That GM engine is a good example of how "improvising" rather than engineering something correctly can blow up in your face. It often did not last past 100,000, while the Mercedes engine was only just breaking in at that mileage.

[Littleyardgnome]

The greenies and EPA hate almost everything (most of them can't even agree on much between the various leftus cults). They would probably protest going back to horse drawn carriages because of green house gas (methane) production from the horses butts. I'm suprised they haven't picketed the Amish yet.

Fact remains that modern diesels in the use we are speaking of will help reach many mileage hurdles. If the average 1/2 ton PU/SUV/van can be increased from the avg teens mpg to high 20's mpg they would have to deal with it. Biodiesel production helps the fight, although we are now starving the children in Africa because we use corn, soy, and other oils for the production of the biodiesel/ethanol that they wanted.

Get the idea...can't please everyone and frankly until we stop trying we will keep spinning in circles and keep placing our country in the same position we are now.

[greendoctor]

It also something to do with the oil companies. Lower consumption=lower profits. Imagine if the majority of cars, SUVs and 1/2 ton trucks got 20 or better fuel mileage. This is doable with diesel. My other ride if I am not in the 3500 CTD is a Mercedes 300D. That is a 2 ton 4 door car with an inline 5 diesel engine. With mixed stop and go traffic and uphill highway driving, I get 25 MPG. I do not drive slow either.

[Littleyardgnome]

For clarification, I am not a hater. But having said that there are two prongs to the green movement:

1) Reasonable, prudent, and practical changes applied that become cultural, additive, and improved over time. (totally agree with this approach)

2) Fanatical, sometimes bordering on eco-nazi terrorism, that does not account for a reasonable pathway to where we want to get by taking reasonable strides. Just damn everyone for exhaling CO2. (This actually is counter productive and they could accomplish so much more using the first approach. In other words no need to bomb and vandalize SUV's...work to double the fuel mileage by encouraging clean diesel production while also developing the electric hybrids etc. Since when or has anybody even suggested that you could tow freight, construction equipment, bridge pilings, etc with hybrid electrics anytime in the near future?)

[TXNSLighting]

Ford actually is building the engine not advanstar (or the company that made the powerstrokes). I'm actually going to say in about 3 years or less that they won't have a engine built by them either. Advanstar and Ford just settled a law suit about for building this motor and ended their 30 year contract to supply Ford with the diesel motors.

It will be interesting to see what all happens with money in other diesel manufacturers.

Navistar...And this is the last year for an international engine in a Ford. Both Super duty and F-150 are getting Ford built diesels. Theyre based off the Land Rover diesel.

[TXNSLighting]

Someone told me you can have a custom order 1/2 chevy truck with a diesel, now if that is true I'm not sure, but that's just what someone told me.

Next year, all manus (big 3) will have half ton diesels.

[TXNSLighting]

Drove the smaller turbo diesels over seas and loved them. Pull a house and get fourty miles to the gallon. Hopefully ford will learn a lesson from Toyota and give us a 1/2 ton truck that can tow safely 10,000 plus punds

:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:

[TXNSLighting]

ford makes the 6.4 deisel that came in the 08 f-250.

Not quite bud. thats an international.

[Glenn Lawn Care]

i heard that also. i dont think they are going to it b/c they added i wanna say like 50 hp to the new 09 f-150. iam not sure but they might the the stroke in the 150

[TXNSLighting]

i heard that also. i dont think they are going to it b/c they added i wanna say like 50 hp to the new 09 f-150. iam not sure but they might the the stroke in the 150

Not quite. They only added 10 to the new F-150. They cant put the powerstroke in a half ton becuase it weighs too much. The 4.4 Ford diesel will be in the F150's.

[Glenn Lawn Care]

they added more then 10 hp. i know for a fact. the 08 f150 had about 330 hp. the 4.4l will be a staight 6. and it will prolly be called powerstroke b/c ford will only put an international diesel motor in them.

[djagusch]

they added more then 10 hp. i know for a fact. the 08 f150 had about 330 hp. the 4.4l will be a staight 6. and it will prolly be called powerstroke b/c ford will only put an international diesel motor in them.

Look at the thread a little closer. It is well known that they are not using those motors in the near future. They have been in court the last couple years and ended a 30 year contract with them.

[dfdsuperduty]

I would love to see ford come out with the diesel in the 1/2 ton however I would really like to see the diesel come out in the ranger like they were when I was in Iraq

[TXNSLighting]

they added more then 10 hp. i know for a fact. the 08 f150 had about 330 hp. the 4.4l will be a staight 6. and it will prolly be called powerstroke b/c ford will only put an international diesel motor in them.

wow, you really dont know what youre talking about...Not even close. Know your facts before you post because you obviously have none.

[TXNSLighting]

http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/features/specs/

So Glenn, you still know the facts? That sure looks like it says 310 horsepower. That is a 10 hp upgrade over the 08 5.4 which had 300 hp. Your welcome.

[TwistedSister]

Get the idea...can't please everyone and frankly until we stop trying we will keep spinning in circles and keep placing our country in the same position we are now.

AMEN!!! :usflag::usflag::usflag:

[Glenn Lawn Care]

yeah i just looked and i was wrong. didnt mean to get anyone mad. i was told different about the hp in both years.

[TXNSLighting]

Ya just need to know the facts. Thats why alot of people in the world have bad opinions of stuff, cuz they get the wrong info somewhere. I can tell you all you need to know about Fords. I dont know why i dont work for em to tell you the truth :laugh:. And i really wish the hew half ton diesel would be an inline 6. That would be great, but it is going to be a v8.

Lots of dumb people out there. My favorite is the ones that talk about 98 powerstrokes. (those dont exist)

[Glenn Lawn Care]

lol 98 powerstrokes yeah theres alot of them out there. i got a buddy that a ford diesel mechanic and he said ford thinks the f-150 diesel motor might be a 5 cylinder but there not sure.

[nnj18]

the diesel in the LCFs isnt a 6.4l either, its a a 4.5l, why not just throw that into the f-150 instead of making a 3rd???

[Cajun Country Lawn Care]

My wife has a VW TDI (Diesel) and that car is very fun to drive and super fuel efficient. I would definitely be interested in a half ton diesel that has the same pulling power as a gas V8 but the efficiency of a four cylinder.
I do not need a big motor for a half ton, that is why they make three quarter tons.:usflag:

[TXNSLighting]

the diesel in the LCFs isnt a 6.4l either, its a a 4.5l, why not just throw that into the f-150 instead of making a 3rd???

As stated before, Ford and Internaional are done..So therefore the LCF will get a new engine as well. If they continue with the LCF.

[TXNSLighting]

lol 98 powerstrokes yeah theres alot of them out there. i got a buddy that a ford diesel mechanic and he said ford thinks the f-150 diesel motor might be a 5 cylinder but there not sure.

Yeh its best not to listen to some people. Goto www.ford-trucks.com theres a thread dedicated to the 4.4 v8. There were early rumors that it would be a v6, but i think that was thrown out.

[TXNSLighting]

Cajun: They will pull alot better than a v8 gasser.

[letsplay]

All these truck companys have their prices to dang high anyway. They wouldnt be hurting soo much if they built better products and actually but a smart price on them. when i bought my F-250 new i went with gas cause it was another 6,000 dollars just for a dang deisel.... When i finally got my 2nd truck i got it used and got a deisel love how it pulls my dump trailer......


I bought a fully loaded gas 2005 GMC 2500hd new during the employee pricing sales and did not hurt that I had a family member working at the dealership. After one year of paying for all the gas use I brought back the gas model and traded it in for my first diesel. For what I was paying in gas use I could make two truck payments and still put fuel in it! The best fuel economy I got on the gas model is my worst fuel economy on the diesel while pulling a max load on a 8x14 dump trailer. I use my truck everyday. I can not afford to have a pretty truck just sit in the parking lot. I didn't need all the bells and whistles that came with it but like I said, I had help at the dealership and they were selling it to me for cheaper then the base model to get it off the lot. Plus it is the first new vehicle I have been able to purchase after 11 years of working for myself. I won't buy anything else other then a diesel from now on. The pulling power is amazing and I have not even tried to add a computer program for it.

[AI Inc]

They get about 30% better milage then gas and fuel costs about 30% more then gas , where is the savings?

[letsplay]

Our fuel cost in the south are not as high as yours. (well I am assuming this since we are buying diesel here for $2.29) The diesel is also a long term investment for us. I run my trucks until the wheels fall off. But we do do maintenance to keep the wheels from falling off early. I'm not an expert with all this stuff like some people are on this forum but we are better off with the diesel then the gas model. I can almost get double the fuel economy with the diesel that I got with the 6liter gas model. I have gotten almost 20mpg in the diesel on the highway (notice I said highway) in the diesel with no load.
I will say that the gmc 3/4 ton trucks run alot better comfort wise with a load in the bed or a trailer. I had a 2000 chevy 3/4 ton base model that I thought rode better then the 2005 loaded model. I changed the tires out on the new model and it made a big difference too.

I saw some other posts about 1/2 ton chevys with diesels. I do believe you can order the 6.6 diesel in the Denali 1/2 ton edition. But what you pay for all that you can buy a really nice 3/4 ton with a diesel.

[TXNSLighting]

Our fuel cost in the south are not as high as yours. (well I am assuming this since we are buying diesel here for $2.29) The diesel is also a long term investment for us. I run my trucks until the wheels fall off. But we do do maintenance to keep the wheels from falling off early. I'm not an expert with all this stuff like some people are on this forum but we are better off with the diesel then the gas model. I can almost get double the fuel economy with the diesel that I got with the 6liter gas model. I have gotten almost 20mpg in the diesel on the highway (notice I said highway) in the diesel with no load.
I will say that the gmc 3/4 ton trucks run alot better comfort wise with a load in the bed or a trailer. I had a 2000 chevy 3/4 ton base model that I thought rode better then the 2005 loaded model. I changed the tires out on the new model and it made a big difference too.

I saw some other posts about 1/2 ton chevys with diesels. I do believe you can order the 6.6 diesel in the Denali 1/2 ton edition. But what you pay for all that you can buy a really nice 3/4 ton with a diesel.

Nope hasnt been a half ton with a diesel since 98 or so.

[TomberLawn]

The Denali has a 6.2L Vortec. 403hp, 417lb-ft torque. MSRP is $40k-45k. For that money, I'd get a 2500 Duramax, chip it, and smoke a Denali.

[TXNSLighting]

The Denali has a 6.2L Vortec. 403hp, 417lb-ft torque. MSRP is $40k-45k. For that money, I'd get a 2500 Duramax, chip it, and smoke a Denali.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

[TXNSLighting]

Diesel down here is 2.08. gas is 1.79. The gap is closing!