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Lite4
01-29-2009, 06:15 PM
Hello all,
They have ERRON on the top plate but no other information. They are a 500watt quartz halogen. Does anyone make an LED substitute that will put out as many lumens in a submersible application? I didn't see the fountain this came out of but we are trying to locate a more energy efficient solution or try to find a replacement. thanks guys

Lite4
01-29-2009, 06:27 PM
Can James or any other LED gurus point me in the direction of an underwater fixture containing an LED with an equivelant lumen output to the quartz halogen described above? Sorry, I thought I would clarify what I am looking for.

irrig8r
01-29-2009, 06:27 PM
Are those all the same fixture? In the first shot it looks like it says "ERRON", in the last it looks like "ERROR"....?

They remind me of Hydrel.

klkanders
01-29-2009, 07:27 PM
You know Gregg I am seeing the same thing.......at first i thought you had made an "error". :)

Keith

Chris J
01-29-2009, 08:25 PM
I don't believe your going to find an acceptable LED replacement for a 500w lamp. To my knowledge, there is no such retrofit lamp available that will fit that fixture.

Lite4
01-29-2009, 08:51 PM
I don't believe your going to find an acceptable LED replacement for a 500w lamp. To my knowledge, there is no such retrofit lamp available that will fit that fixture.

Hey Chris,
Yeah, I am sure you are right about that. I am actually looking for a completely new and different fixture with a high output LED. I am trying not to have to install this one back in again, hoping for an alternative.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
01-29-2009, 09:56 PM
Tim there might be one place to go to find a LED replacement for that fixture.... Hydrel. They are the 'category killer' of submersible fixtures.

Here is their LED offering, a 60W unit! No lumen output measure on the spec sheet though... but at 60W and assuming 70Lm/watt efficiency... that makes for a 4200 Lumen output! That is a seriously bright light. I would give them a call for more info. Be prepared for some serious sticker shock.

http://www.acuitybrandslighting.com/Library/Specification_Sheets/HYD/Hydrel%20Spec%20Sheets/Underwater/Fountain%20and%20Reflecting%20Pool%20Fixtures/4426_BM_LED_MONOCHROMATIC.pdf

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
01-29-2009, 10:05 PM
Also, you might want to look for a Metal Halide solution. I was checking out 70W T6 CMH lamps today for an interior job...

A GE 70W T6 CMH G12 Bi-Pin (miniature) lamp produces 6000 initial lumens, 4600 mean lumens, is rated for 15,000 hours. A very impressive lamp! Comes in both 3000K and 4200K versions.

Do a bit of digging and I bet you will find Hydrel makes a few T4.5 and T6 Metal Halide fixtures.

Hope this helps.

Mayor_tx
01-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Check out Wiedamarks' LED line-up.

http://www.wiedamark.com/colorwater.aspx

I've used several of their submersibles and they put out a lot of light.

Plus they are DMX controllable and can change colors if you want.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
01-30-2009, 09:08 AM
I just took a look at those wiedamark fixtures, specifically their LED line. At only 6w they won't have much more output then a 35W Halogen lamp (at best). Certainly good enough for some applications, but no-where near what Tim is looking for.

Hydrel is the way to go on this one.

Lite4
01-30-2009, 08:14 PM
Thanks for the help everyone!