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Mini man
01-29-2009, 07:15 PM
I have been loosing my mind trying to get legal!
14000 lb pintle hitch trailer hauling 11300 lb excavator.......now company tells me I can change to 3600 lb tires.....that makes 16100 lb trailer....15% transfered to tow vehicle......therefore trailer is ok>>>>>
NEXT:
Everyone tells me my 03 Duramax 2500 won't pull this legal.......look at 5500 GMC to pull the trailer...........................someone now tells me that the recommended towing capacity of the 03 duramax is speced in the manual only because of warranty issues and the truck will handle everything just fine ( and legal) as long as I don't exceed the tire ratings, GVWR, etc?????????????????
WTF where do I get a straight answer ? ( ONTARIO CANADA ):confused:

MileHigh
01-29-2009, 08:28 PM
in the US you would need a CDL License (over 26kGVW) to tow that.

Mini man
01-29-2009, 08:30 PM
The license in Ontario ( A ) I have....just want to know if my current truck will allow me to be legal?

randosh4
01-29-2009, 09:10 PM
ask in motor vehicle branch in your province.

Mini man
01-29-2009, 09:16 PM
There has to be someone on this forum hauling the same weight with a Chev , Dodge or Ford that is legal or not?????????

hosejockey2002
01-29-2009, 09:39 PM
in the US you would need a CDL License (over 26kGVW) to tow that.

He would be under 26K combined, so no CDL required.

Gravel Rat
01-29-2009, 10:11 PM
Who ever told you that the trailer can pack more weight if you run higher rated tires is wrong. Unless you are running 235/85R16 12ply tires can you get a 3600lb rating. Trailer axles are usually rated at max 14,000lbs for single wheels. The only way your going to get the gvw up is go with a tandem dual trailer I wouldn't go with a triaxle single.

Now the other question what is the gvw on the trailer if its 14,000lbs its not going to carry 11,000lbs. What is the trailers tare weight it must weigh atleast 4000lbs empty so that leaves you with 10,000lbs approx. Now you say you put 10% of the tounge weight on the truck that will give you a total payload capacity of 11,400lbs. Your really pushing the limits you have absolutely not fudge factor there.

Anyway you slice it you will need to go with a gooseneck trailer then you can put more tounge weight on the truck. A bumper pull putting 15% weight isn't the best idea that is 2100lbs pushing down on the back of the truck you will bottom out the suspension.

I would be going with a 5500 with a gooseneck trailer.

Dirtman2007
01-29-2009, 10:18 PM
I have been loosing my mind trying to get legal!
14000 lb pintle hitch trailer hauling 11300 lb excavator.......now company tells me I can change to 3600 lb tires.....that makes 16100 lb trailer....15% transfered to tow vehicle......therefore trailer is ok>>>>>
NEXT:
Everyone tells me my 03 Duramax 2500 won't pull this legal.......look at 5500 GMC to pull the trailer...........................someone now tells me that the recommended towing capacity of the 03 duramax is speced in the manual only because of warranty issues and the truck will handle everything just fine ( and legal) as long as I don't exceed the tire ratings, GVWR, etc?????????????????
WTF where do I get a straight answer ? ( ONTARIO CANADA ):confused:

I've got a F250 and pull a 12,000+ skid steer steer on a tri axle trailer and have never had a problem.

Mini man
01-29-2009, 10:28 PM
The trailer manafacturer ( Trailteck Saskatchewan ) told me the info....new 3600 lb tires changes the rating to 16100lbs....placard supplied! from dealer.............................................................................................. ......................Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooocan I haul it legal?

Mini man
01-29-2009, 10:33 PM
Trailteck said 16100 with 15 % transferred to tow vehicle = 13865 combined weight for trailer and excavator.....soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooothe trailer is ok!!!!!!!!!!!!! what about the 2500HD? puling it??

wellbuilt
01-29-2009, 10:38 PM
The license in Ontario ( A ) I have....just want to know if my current truck will allow me to be legal?

I don't think there is a tow rating on the sticker on your truck . The toe rating comes from your balance of weight on the trailer & truck .If you can ride with 10% of the trailer weight 14000 lbs on the truck 1400 and you have a 3/4 ton truck . you can load 15500 lbs. It sounds close to me . I drive with a 7600lb EX and a 2400 trailer plus chains .10200 +- on a 10,000lb trailer i use the 10% on the truck as extra gvw. If i move back 8" I'm overweight . I just moved up to a 12000lb trailer. My CDL class A came in the mail the other day . I think you are all right . You cant exceed tire & rear axle weight. I have a friend with a 4 cylinder fuso 4x4 that pulls a 12000lb EX on a 16000lb trailer. Its sloooooow going but it works for him. You could move up to 20" rims and tires . I did not like pulling 12000lbs with SRW. I moved up to a dump truck . John

Gravel Rat
01-29-2009, 10:48 PM
I still find that hard to beleive do they have heavier springs on the trailer. Tires with a greater capacity doesn't mean a hill of beans if you put the load on the trailer and the springs bend backwards.

You would have to go with 19.5 wheels to get a tire with a 225/70R19.5 which gives you a 3640 single tire capacity.

If you run 4 3600lb tires that only gives you a tire capacity of 14,400lbs thats a far far cry from 16,000lbs.

You put 15% tounge weight of 16,000lbs on a 3/4 ton P/U truck you would beable to change the front tires without a jack.

I wouldn't listen to the trailer manufacture they will say anything to make a sale. The CVSE inspectors in the province of Ontario have the final say.

You get stoped by the DOT they pullout the portable scales on you and find your rear axle on your truck is grossly overloaded boy you are in trouble.

The only way you can put 15% of the trailer weight on the truck is if you have a gooseneck you can put up to 20% of the pin weight on the truck or what ever doesn't exceed the axle capacity.

A heavy bumper pull transfers way too much weight behind the rear axle once the truck starts to squat more weight shifts rearward.

A example is a tandem axle dump pulling a tandem axle tag with a 200 excavator you have enough weight on the tounge it makes the truck see-saw on the rear axles (walking beam suspension).

GravelyNut
01-29-2009, 11:38 PM
Your trailer exceeds what the truck is rated for. 2500HD is rated only for a 12K trailer on a proper hitch and 15.8K for the 5th wheel. A properly setup 2003 3500 Dually would also fail as its total is 22000lbs GCWR, but barely. So that puts you in a 4500 or 5500 to get the required GCWR/GVWR.

topsites
01-30-2009, 03:48 AM
Trailteck said 16100 with 15 % transferred to tow vehicle = 13865 combined weight for trailer and excavator.....soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooothe trailer is ok!!!!!!!!!!!!! what about the 2500HD? puling it??

No way, only in an emergency or as a one-time deal.

But check into the full ton, 350's and then 450's.

Mini man
01-30-2009, 07:47 AM
And so it goes...more confusion

Gravel Rat
01-30-2009, 08:17 PM
Unless the axles say 8000lb rating they are just a 7000lb axle.

In Saskabush its flatter than a pancake sure maybe they can get away with saying a 14,000gvw trailer is good for 16,000lbs. Do you really want to be ripping along on your 20 lane freeways you have in Ontario and the spindle on the trailer axle snaps off and the wheel passes you :laugh:

You don't want to fool around you have a mini excavator that is a concentrated weight. You pretty much have 11,000lbs in a 8 feet by 5 feet area.

Mini man
01-30-2009, 09:42 PM
I do believe the trailer Mnfg knows what they are talking about,,,,,,,,3600 lb tires with 2 7000lb axels wil carry the weight....apparently it is legal to transfer 15% to the truck....they will send me a new placard installed on the trailer at one of thier dealers................................
The truck on the other hand.......................:canadaflag::hammerhead:

Mini man
01-31-2009, 11:37 AM
Just talked to another dealer,,,,he has a brand new 07 5500 2WD with Aluminum dump box for $52.900 CND.
How do aluminum boxes hold up and will 2WD be ok for me since I am just trailering and occasionally using the dump box?