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turfman59
02-01-2009, 10:30 AM
I have seen the licensing propsal for Michigan, It is extremely restrictive, has anyone else had a chance to look at it

EagleLandscape
02-01-2009, 10:31 AM
How does it compare to Tejas?

turfman59
02-01-2009, 10:52 AM
I would say that Michigan compared to Texas is like ,,um lets see Michigan is surrounded by fresh water and texas is surrounded by salt water

turfman59
02-01-2009, 10:56 AM
I will post a link when I get to the office, cant find a good link right know...for the interim www.michiganicli.com

Wet_Boots
02-01-2009, 10:57 AM
http://michiganicli.com/LicensingLanguageFirstDraft.pdf

http://michiganicli.com/resources.cfm#revision

turfman59
02-01-2009, 11:03 AM
thank you for the links

Wet_Boots
02-01-2009, 11:06 AM
Interesting 'old school' language there, with the separate classes of Apprentice, Journeyman, and Contractor.

Mike Leary
02-01-2009, 11:20 AM
Oh boy, someone to kick around besides a 14 year old. :clapping:

hoskm01
02-01-2009, 11:58 AM
Oh boy, someone to kick around besides a 14 year old. :clapping:
At least he brings sustenance with him to the table.

Mad Estonian
02-01-2009, 01:48 PM
Got to enunciate carefully, if you go around telling people you're a "Master Irrigator." I'm a compulsive one, myself. (But probably not so much as Boots, judging from his pics).:)

Mike Leary
02-01-2009, 02:39 PM
Got to enunciate carefully, if you go around telling people you're a "Master Irrigator." )

All of us have pissed someone off...is that what you meant?

turfman59
02-01-2009, 02:39 PM
Let me give you the conversation from one of the IA reps at the MNLA legistlative update seminar...IA rep say " well my constituents feel that the license should be $5000.00 the higher the better" at that moment I bit a hole through the inside of my mouth trying to keep quiet.. The next thing its mentioned that" everyone feels that the state of michigan should do the regulating" much like the pesticide business" and one of my all time favorites is when a member of the inititiative who is a contractor that does over 1 million a year in sale who is on the forum says" that our industry is in need of a overhaul because of unscrupulous contractors" when I heard that all I could think about was OK jerk If anyone is doing less than lets say $100,000 a year in sales than I am sure there in that catergory...Totally blew my mind how people want to run to the government for protection when competition gets tough....

Wet_Boots
02-01-2009, 03:07 PM
The licensing will have to pay for itself, obviously. By the way, what do plumbers pay for their Michigan licenses?

EagleLandscape
02-01-2009, 04:23 PM
Are there any current regulations for MI? Or is it unregulated?

Waterit
02-01-2009, 04:40 PM
Are there any current regulations for MI? Or is it unregulated?

From what I just read at the posted link, totally unregulated.

Turfman, where did that $5K figure come from?

How much is licensing in TX, CO, etc.?

turfman59
02-01-2009, 05:09 PM
The plumbers just asked the state to increase it from 150.00 to 300.00. I should say the Plumbers union

Sprinkus
02-01-2009, 05:17 PM
From what I just read at the posted link, totally unregulated.

Turfman, where did that $5K figure come from?

How much is licensing in TX, CO, etc.?

In Texas you must take the Landscape Irrigator Basic Training Course ($450) before you can test to get the license.
The licensing test is $111 (I think). It was less when I took it.
Of course maintaining the license requires 8 CEU's a year. I just renewed my license (3 years) for $111.

turfman59
02-01-2009, 05:17 PM
The licensing will have to pay for itself, obviously. By the way, what do plumbers pay for their Michigan licenses? as I said before. the rep from the IA said that all the contractors want it, I am not opposed to it but the way its written now I could wipe with it but nothing else... I would like to see some small form of Regulation from the State but I would leave it to the counties or larger municipalitys to Permit it and Inspect if necessary...Keep the State out of the business of inspecting is my thoughts.... If I am going to pay for a license and have to put up with the State, then I better be able to hang the Backflow preventer. Give me something for my license other than calling me a Master*&%$# if you know what I mean....

turfman59
02-01-2009, 05:19 PM
In Texas you must take the Landscape Irrigator Basic Training Course ($450) before you can test to get the license. The licensing test is $100 something.
Of course maintaining the license requires 8 CEU's a year. I just renewed my license (3 years) for $111.Who does the inspecting or do they just come out on complaints??????

Sprinkus
02-01-2009, 05:22 PM
Who does the inspecting or do they just come out on complaints??????

The city does the inspecting. The state agency investigates complaints.

turfman59
02-01-2009, 05:25 PM
The city does the inspecting. The state agency investigates complaints.
Do you get to hang or inpsect Backflow????

Sprinkus
02-01-2009, 05:26 PM
Is this statement meant to be past tense (were) or possessive (we're)? :confused:

Aqua Turf were not the Biggest, Just the Busiest

Sprinkus
02-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Do you get to hang or inpsect Backflow????

The backflow device installation is inspected by the city. The device must also be tested by a licensed tester and the T&M report sent to the city.
The owner of the backflow device is required to have it tested annually.

turfman59
02-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Is this statement meant to be past tense (were) or possessive (we're)? :confused:

Aqua Turf were not the Biggest, Just the BusiestWe are now the biggest and the Bestest..By the way I thought Slip crosses are not allowed

Sprinkus
02-01-2009, 05:40 PM
We are now the biggest and the Bestest..By the way I thought Slip crosses are not allowed

The slip crosses were spec'd by the city for that particular job.

turfman59
02-01-2009, 06:37 PM
The slip crosses were spec'd by the city for that particular job.
Did they write their own specs or did a CID

Mike Leary
02-01-2009, 06:53 PM
The slip crosses were spec'd by the city for that particular job.

Service work for life if slip cross tees are spec'd.

Wet_Boots
02-01-2009, 07:17 PM
Service work for life if slip cross tees are spec'd.Sez you, desert rat. :hammerhead:

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/6049/eightvalvemanifold23fz.jpg

turfman59
02-01-2009, 07:50 PM
Service work for life if slip cross tees are spec'd.
If you cant beat'em Join em ....I"ll take a case of slip crosses please

DanaMac
02-02-2009, 08:25 AM
How much is licensing in TX, CO, etc.?

No licensing in CO except for Cross Connection for installing BFVs ($100 renewal a year) and backflow testing I believe. Anybody can be an irrigation contractor for no money.

AI Inc
02-02-2009, 08:29 AM
No licensing in CO except for Cross Connection for installing BFVs ($100 renewal a year) and backflow testing I believe. Anybody can be an irrigation contractor for no money.

Same with Mass/NH . And because anyone can , everyon is.

Sprinkus
02-02-2009, 08:52 AM
Did they write their own specs or did a CID

Well, if CID means "Crazy Irrigation Dude" then that's probably correct.

BTW everyone, I'll be out of town for the rest of the week. Hopefully I can get a computer set up at the jobsite so I can continue to post during the week.
Ummm, otherwise I'll have to actually work. :eek:

DanaMac
02-02-2009, 08:54 AM
Ummm, otherwise I'll have to actually work. :eek:

Whoa!! Hold on a minute. Don't go getting all crazy on us. Can't have any of this "work" going on now.

Sprinkus
02-02-2009, 09:15 AM
Whoa!! Hold on a minute. Don't go getting all crazy on us. Can't have any of this "work" going on now.

Don't worry, it's just locates for the guys that are installing the trees. Damn, I forgot to buy a "sonde"!
Oh well, witchin' sticks it is!

DanaMac
02-02-2009, 09:39 AM
Don't worry, it's just locates for the guys that are installing the trees. Damn, I forgot to buy a "sonde"!
Oh well, witchin' sticks it is!

Whew!! I thought you might go break a sweat or something.