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lawnsofsnh
02-01-2009, 10:13 AM
What do you all use for nurse tanks? Ideas on where to purchase a 50gal poly.

We run F350 and F250 pickups....any ideas on where and how to secure within truck bed. Typically, we will load a skid of product in the back of the truck.

Lastly, any ideas on moving material from tank to ride-on(pump?)

lawntennis
02-01-2009, 10:18 AM
I just bought a poly 100 gallon tank from tractor supply. We put it on a skid right up against the cab just strap it to the corners of the bed. You can get a pump but we just use a gravity feed and a 8 foot 1 inch line. Hope this helps.

lawntennis
02-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Sorry, I forgot we have it on two skids to help with the gravity.

grassman177
02-01-2009, 10:33 AM
i am not sure this helps, but we transformed our tank skid trucks to nurse tanks by bypassing the hose reel and pressure regulator with a larger hose(i think 1.5 in) and full gpm at i htink 9gpm to fill directly into the ride ones. haven t used yet but should be much better than directly through the hose reel. that was onloy 2gpm and lower pressure. you could do the same with a 100n gal tank skid system. we use westheffer in lawrence ks and they could walk you through and custom build, or you could find a welder buddy to make the framing and buy all the pieces yourself to put together. it would be easy

sprayboy
02-01-2009, 11:51 AM
We made a rectangular tank out of aluminum diamond plate, aprox. 6' long, to fit across the front of my flatbed. Tank holds 75 gallon. I have a Hypro aqua tiger centrifugal pump to transfer into the z-max. The pump is rated at aprox. 20 gpm, fills pretty fast.

turfsolutions
02-01-2009, 01:01 PM
We made a rectangular tank out of aluminum diamond plate, aprox. 6' long, to fit across the front of my flatbed. Tank holds 75 gallon. I have a Hypro aqua tiger centrifugal pump to transfer into the z-max. The pump is rated at aprox. 20 gpm, fills pretty fast.

Can you let me know where I can order this. I currently use a 5gpm pump and am looking to speed this up. Thanks.

sprayboy
02-02-2009, 08:47 AM
Can you let me know where I can order this. I currently use a 5gpm pump and am looking to speed this up. Thanks.


I ordered my from LT Rich, don't remember the cost. I put a cross in my suction lines instead of the T and put quick connects in so I don't have to stand there and hold the hose. After I get the water going I get the Herbicide measured and poured in. Usually not much time waiting for filling.

grassman177
02-02-2009, 09:53 AM
we dont have to mix while filling, that is a practice i am not sure why you guys do this. we have the tank premixed so it is fill and go. take a braek while filling and get a drink, read a good porn, something besides measure chemicals!

turfsolutions
02-02-2009, 10:35 AM
I ordered my from LT Rich, don't remember the cost. I put a cross in my suction lines instead of the T and put quick connects in so I don't have to stand there and hold the hose. After I get the water going I get the Herbicide measured and poured in. Usually not much time waiting for filling.

Any chance you could post a pic. I am not sure what you mean by a cross in the suction lines instead of a T. Thanks for the reply. I will touch base with LT Rich about that pump.

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
02-02-2009, 10:52 AM
we dont have to mix while filling, that is a practice i am not sure why you guys do this. we have the tank premixed so it is fill and go. take a braek while filling and get a drink, read a good porn, something besides measure chemicals!

I don't pre mix, as I may need to mix up a batch of fungecide, Drive for a new lawn that can't be hit with 3 way, fill ornamental backpacks for insecticide, etc. If I had 2 seperate tanks & pumps I would pre-mix one with herbicide, but I only carry one:)

grassman177
02-02-2009, 11:51 AM
ahhh, get ya. if i have that situation using the zspray, i premix one tank on it with that product and fill in the field more if i have to. i am just thinking of herbicide use for the nurse tanks. U must not use a zspray?

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
02-02-2009, 01:29 PM
ahhh, get ya. if i have that situation using the zspray, i premix one tank on it with that product and fill in the field more if i have to. i am just thinking of herbicide use for the nurse tanks. U must not use a zspray?

Oh ya, I do use a Z-Spray!:weightlifter: I wouldn't use anything else:usflag:

I spray fungecides & insecticides is wettable powder & flowable formulations, since it has agitation & use 1 gal/k nozzles. Thats one reason I love the Z-Spray-It's ability spray more than just 3 way:)

RigglePLC
02-02-2009, 01:36 PM
You could use a 55 gallon drum strapped to the side of the bed. But not sure if you could clear the skid of fert. You could also stand it up in the front near the cab. Should be room enough for the skid then. Put in a couple big eyebolts and put a strap or chain or cable and turnbuckle around the drum to secure it.

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
02-02-2009, 01:53 PM
You could use a 55 gallon drum strapped to the side of the bed. But not sure if you could clear the skid of fert. You could also stand it up in the front near the cab. Should be room enough for the skid then. Put in a couple big eyebolts and put a strap or chain or cable and turnbuckle around the drum to secure it.

I usually try not to look like a hilbilly:laugh::usflag:

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
02-02-2009, 01:58 PM
You could use a 55 gallon drum strapped to the side of the bed. But not sure if you could clear the skid of fert. You could also stand it up in the front near the cab. Should be room enough for the skid then. Put in a couple big eyebolts and put a strap or chain or cable and turnbuckle around the drum to secure it.

Besides- I don't have much room in my bed left, after all employees get in:laugh:

turfsolutions
02-02-2009, 02:17 PM
Besides- I don't have much room in my bed left, after all employees get in:laugh:

Good one.:laugh:

TLS
02-02-2009, 02:55 PM
I like the Gregson-Clark nurse tank. Will either buy one or make one soon. I want to have it premixed for the Perma-Green, agitate, fill and go. No measuring on site.

If I need to mix something else, I can always stop back at the shop and fill.

http://www.gregsonclark.com/images_news/80g-fill_tank.jpg

Captain_Morgan
02-02-2009, 03:28 PM
I've been using both 200 or 300 gallon tanks with gravity feed through 1.5" hose with fair results. I have several of the intermediate Z's with the 18 gallon tank so it fills fairly quickly. This year I am probably going to purchace the Z-Max and will be setting up a pump system for more consistent fill times. I will post pictures when it is done.

With regard to premixing, we don't. DOT requires placarding the vehicle when carrying 100 gallons or more of pesticides. The liability and headaches of even 50 gallons of spillage due to accident or other plausible events is not worth it to me. ive been there its not fun...

TLS
02-02-2009, 03:40 PM
With regard to premixing, we don't. DOT requires placarding the vehicle when carrying 100 gallons or more of pesticides. The liability and headaches of even 50 gallons of spillage due to accident or other plausible events is not worth it to me. ive been there its not fun...

The G-C nurse tank is 80 gal. Under DOT placard.

A LOT less of a spill risk than a 300 gal skid that the hose jockeys use!

It'll get me 6 1/2 refills on top of the full tank I leave with in the morning.

That lets me treat over 8.5 acres w/o going back to refill.

My biggest issue is mixing on property. It's the most dangerous/highest risk exposure to chemicals we have. If I only have to fill and mix the nurse tank once a day, rather than 7 times a day, that can only be a good thing.

Not to mention, the foaming I get when filling the PG, and that it doesn't always mix well for a while. Most of the agitation on a PG takes place in bumpy transport.

grassman177
02-02-2009, 04:13 PM
our tanks are the hose jockey leftovers we had. after we got ride ons they now served the purpose of nurse tank. the trucks are already dot and pesticide licensed, so no big deal there.

sprayboy
02-02-2009, 05:46 PM
we dont have to mix while filling, that is a practice i am not sure why you guys do this. we have the tank premixed so it is fill and go. take a braek while filling and get a drink, read a good porn, something besides measure chemicals!


I keep the nurse tank for water only as it is used on other jobs for mixing veg. control products.

Use the water for washing off hands.

Use the water for washing off machine in a 5 acre gravel lot from time to time.

Use the water for mixing other products if I don't want the weed control in it.

Measuring and mixing onsite is not a big deal to me.

sprayboy
02-02-2009, 05:48 PM
Any chance you could post a pic. I am not sure what you mean by a cross in the suction lines instead of a T. Thanks for the reply. I will touch base with LT Rich about that pump.


Will try and get a pic tomorrow.

Jason Rose
02-02-2009, 06:35 PM
I have one of those 25 gallon tow behind sprayers (Fimco) from years ago, I converted it into just a tank on a wheeled cart. Added 2 legs to the front so it sits level. My thought was to use it as a nurse tank for my PG filled with premixed chemical and use it's pump, connected to the electrical on the trailer, to simply pump out of the 25 gal tank and into the PG.

Of course I got it together last winter and then discovered that the pump probably sat too long and also probably froze too many times. Finally got it to pump but just a trickle... For me, 25 gallons is more than enough reserve for a couple days. I'd probably only mix 15 or so in it. Really don't want to have wasted chemical! I just need to buy a new pump for it, more GPM.

It's really hard for me to PLAN to go out and spread and spray for a day. It's a really rare occurance that the wind dosn't shut me down most days. I have a really hard time getting each of my apps even done because I have so much mowing to do and then the weather has to cooperate so I can spread and spray. Really hate mixing up a tank, going out and by then the wind has kicked up too much to spray.

Runner
02-02-2009, 08:19 PM
For us, it's not so much a DOT issue (for smaller tank) as it is a DOA issue. If we mix a nurse tank, then we are dealing with a loading containment pad, as well as the other loading and mixing requirements (backflow preventer and site specifications). If we just carry a nurse tank of water, then we are in the clear. Myself, I am just using empty 3 way containers (with labels removed and marked H2O). I am certainly looking into a nurse tank setup of some sort, though. I just want to be able to do the on site mixing a little (or alot) less conspicuous looking. Granted, I am able to do the pouring and measuring under the cover of a truckbed wall and tailgate (1 ton dump truck like), but I still have to pour from the measuring cup (a few times per mixing - with the rinses of the cup), then I am still pouring from these jugs which give the "chemical" connotation. I think with a hose fill, it would be less of this type of appearance. I just want it FAST, so I am spending less time with this appearance.

grassman177
02-02-2009, 11:39 PM
i dont think y oucan legally even use those old containers, but i can see you are looking elsewhere. i can understand your dilema.

Grandview
02-03-2009, 07:15 AM
we dont have to mix while filling, that is a practice i am not sure why you guys do this. we have the tank premixed so it is fill and go. take a braek while filling and get a drink, read a good porn, something besides measure chemicals!

I do not premix to avoid large spills. If I am in a accident and my nurse tank spills I want it to be water not chemical. Eating and drinking while handling pesticides, not a good idea. Porn just a waste of good paper.

Jason Rose
02-03-2009, 10:39 AM
Here's a Q for those that premix in a nurse tank:

How long do you hold the mix? Do you only mix enough for one day? one week? Do you notice a difference (drop) in effectiveness of the premix after 24 hours or longer?

I've had many occasions with the tank and hose that I've mixed a tank and only been able to get a couple lawns done before the weather changed on me. Then I'd be stuck with a tank full of mix for over a week till I had the time to go out and spray again. Usually the results with mix that was sitting around is much less. Talking about broadleaf herbicides here.

Captain_Morgan
02-03-2009, 12:07 PM
The efficacy can definitely change when weed controls are stored mixed. This is particularly true if the tank is exposed to a lot of direct sunlight. We used to premix for about 15 years but the tanks were inside vans and we could keep product mixed for a week or two under these conditions. If fertilizer is mixed in then it's a whole different ballgame.

grassman177
02-03-2009, 01:50 PM
we try to mix for one days use, but in case of wether etc, it is under cover away from sunlight and have had no problems with a week or so being stored that way.

i was joking about the eating and drinking. dont do that while refilling. the porn however>>>>>

TLS
02-03-2009, 02:48 PM
Herbicide comes in jugs, why would mixing with water make it go bad so quickly.

I've held half tanks of Triplet mixed in my PG for almost a week, just shook it up going down the road, and it performed fine.

To those concerned with a spill of a mixed nurse tank....what would you do with a 300 gal tankful? This is only 80gal, and most likely a lot less depending on how full you have it. Just wondering why the big concern.

grassman177
02-03-2009, 04:24 PM
i have often feared a spill with my 300 gal tank, i dont ever want that to happen.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sprayboy
02-04-2009, 01:32 PM
Any chance you could post a pic. I am not sure what you mean by a cross in the suction lines instead of a T. Thanks for the reply. I will touch base with LT Rich about that pump.

Turfsolutions,

Here is the pics of the cross in my suction lines on my z-max. With the valves open the water blows in the tanks through the bottom, no restrictions from the pump on the z or the pressure regulator. I can fill just one tank if needed.

Captain_Morgan
02-04-2009, 03:12 PM
Turfsolutions,

Here is the pics of the cross in my suction lines on my z-max. With the valves open the water blows in the tanks through the bottom, no restrictions from the pump on the z or the pressure regulator. I can fill just one tank if needed.

Nice! cool setup.

turfsolutions
02-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Turfsolutions,

Here is the pics of the cross in my suction lines on my z-max. With the valves open the water blows in the tanks through the bottom, no restrictions from the pump on the z or the pressure regulator. I can fill just one tank if needed.

Great job and thanks for posting the pics.

TS

Jason Rose
02-04-2009, 07:04 PM
Herbicide comes in jugs, why would mixing with water make it go bad so quickly.

I've held half tanks of Triplet mixed in my PG for almost a week, just shook it up going down the road, and it performed fine.


pH. Our water here is pretty high Ph already. Herbicide sitting mixed in a tank with water will become more alkaline over time, how fast this happens depends on the pH of the water used to initially mix the product. That's why I asked about holding mix. If I have mix that's sat I end up having to spray it out somewhere just to get rid of it, it's a gamble as to weather it will kill weeds or not.

I've asked about how to buffer the water's pH so I can get better effectivness out of my mix, plus longer holding times, but my question never gets answered and always turns into arguments about what you can and can't use to lower pH in water for spraying. I want a definate "use this:...." My chemical sales guy won't even help me! I already know that out water here is almost 8.0 pH.

sclawndr
02-04-2009, 07:37 PM
pH. Our water here is pretty high Ph already. Herbicide sitting mixed in a tank with water will become more alkaline over time, how fast this happens depends on the pH of the water used to initially mix the product. That's why I asked about holding mix. If I have mix that's sat I end up having to spray it out somewhere just to get rid of it, it's a gamble as to weather it will kill weeds or not.

I've asked about how to buffer the water's pH so I can get better effectivness out of my mix, plus longer holding times, but my question never gets answered and always turns into arguments about what you can and can't use to lower pH in water for spraying. I want a definate "use this:...." My chemical sales guy won't even help me! I already know that out water here is almost 8.0 pH.

Your best bet is to just throw some pH minus (from a pool store) in the tank of water. Use swimming pool test strips to get the right pH and you're good to go. Unless you're running an aquarium, you shouldn't need to worry about buffering.

sprayboy
02-04-2009, 09:27 PM
Great job and thanks for posting the pics.

TS


TS

I would have gotten the pics up yesterday but our forecasters say we might get up to an inch of snow, we got four inches, had to sit in the plow truck all day.

I think the pump comes in either brass or stainless for the head.

mmacsek
02-25-2009, 04:56 PM
I just bought a poly 100 gallon tank from tractor supply. We put it on a skid right up against the cab just strap it to the corners of the bed. You can get a pump but we just use a gravity feed and a 8 foot 1 inch line. Hope this helps.

Did you order from tractor supply online or in the store? I was in the local store and got a dumb look when I asked? They were clueless. Do you have an item number? Thanks Matt

kmiller23
02-28-2009, 04:41 PM
Go to your local ag retailer and get a compatability agent. They are designed to lower the ph of water so the chemical stays in suspension better. Every retailer is supplied by 1-3 distributors that carry their own house brand of these products.

Jason Rose
02-28-2009, 05:19 PM
Go to your local ag retailer and get a compatability agent. They are designed to lower the ph of water so the chemical stays in suspension better. Every retailer is supplied by 1-3 distributors that carry their own house brand of these products.

Thank you. I was looking at the Ph minus for pools today. Would need a VERY small amount for a small tank like a PG or hand can. Maybe the Coop will have something a little easier to mix/ better suited for chemical apps. If not I'll try the pool stuff.

lawntennis
02-28-2009, 07:55 PM
Our tractor supply has a fairly large selection of poly tanks. They were in a fenced in area next to the store. It was not a special order. It had a 1 inch opening and they also had a 10 foot long 1inch drain hose that threaded into a the tank. I put a shut off valve right on the end I put in the permagreen so I don't have to get to the tank to turn it on and off.