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LKNBigFish
02-05-2009, 10:07 PM
Just to preface, I am a realtor and take care of several properties. It would get more than homeowner use, but I am not looking to start a pressure washing company. Opinions?

Harbor Trash sells this for $799 and I have a 20% coupon.

13hp 4000psi 4.9gpm

Harbor Trash link-
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97005

newz7151
02-06-2009, 01:52 AM
"Engine speed: 3600 ROM; 17 oz. oil capacity;"


Based on this alone, I would run the other way. I think ROM is Read Only Memory, and I'm not sure what place it has on a Chinese knock off Honda engines description. Also, at 13hp, it better have more than 17oz of oil in it.

But hey, your money, your lesson.

LKNBigFish
02-06-2009, 08:15 AM
I think it is a chinese knock off as most stuff from that place is. I guess I should have asked if there are any better alternatives for the money. I dont want to go below 4gpm.

FCPWLLC
02-06-2009, 09:24 AM
You asked so I'll tell...... It is mis-represented first of all. A 13 hp wil not produce 4.9 gpm @ 4000 psi!

At best the machine is 4 gpm at 3500psi or 3.5 gpm at 4000 psi. A 13 hp won't do what is advertised. It may even do the 4.9 gpm but only 2900 psi.

I really don't know why you don't just form a relationship with a PROFESSIONAL Power Washer and refer the work and maybe tack on a little percentage. There is so much more to cleaning than folks think. These big box stores aren't helping any either selling these things with advice that anyone can do it.

That's all I'll say. Anyhow, the machine isn't worth $10 to a Pro that knows better.

Want a good relaible machine? Call Bob at http://www.pressuretek.com

LKNBigFish
02-06-2009, 10:37 AM
thanks for your input. I have been watching the site for a while and have noticed that this is your standard response to most questions from non proffesionals/Mowers. I have also noticed that your opinion is highly regarded.

I have read many of your posts and watched the videos and I guess more than anything, it looks like something I would like to put some time into and learn to do properly. I dont want to be a "jack of all trades", but the low pressure cleaning has peaked my interest.

Grits
02-13-2009, 09:23 PM
thanks for your input. I have been watching the site for a while and have noticed that this is your standard response to most questions from non proffesionals/Mowers. I have also noticed that your opinion is highly regarded.

I have read many of your posts and watched the videos and I guess more than anything, it looks like something I would like to put some time into and learn to do properly. I dont want to be a "jack of all trades", but the low pressure cleaning has peaked my interest.

Don't let Mike fool you. He has a lawn maintenance biz too. But he definitely has a point. Hire a pro to do it and tack on a little for your time. This allows you to work on your business to get more properties to manage. It's kind of the "circle of business". It puts everyone involved in a more prosperous position.
BUT.....if you are hell bent on doing it, do like Mike suggested and go to pressuretek.com. That's where I got all my equipment.

LKNBigFish
02-13-2009, 09:51 PM
well, i guess i'm hell bent! What equipment did you start with? what is the minimum gpm you suggest?

Midstate Lawncare
02-13-2009, 11:50 PM
Basic stuff... and by the way, we all start somewhere... just get insurance first. A 4 gpm 3000 psi with hot water will do nearly anything. That being said, a 10 gpm 9,000 psi "professional" machine will do it faster. lol. Got $15k? lol. Watch e-bay and craigslist but be careful about what you buy. Make sure you have dealer support for what you buy in your area. Also LEARN YOUR CHEMICALS, or cleaninig "solutions" whatever. And you become the "professional", so you can tell somebody what they should and shouldn't do. lol. Use it on your house and property first (screw your own stuff up) then get to work!

Big Nate

LKNBigFish
02-14-2009, 08:34 AM
thanks, does hot water make a pretty big diff? its a pretty big jump from a good 4gpm colt to a hot.

FCPWLLC
02-18-2009, 08:08 AM
If just doing residential cleaning, then Hot isn't quite needed. I only use cold on Vinyl and driveways/sidewalk.

Don M.
02-18-2009, 10:56 AM
And neither is 9000 psi.

Midstate Lawncare
02-18-2009, 08:28 PM
thanks, does hot water make a pretty big diff? its a pretty big jump from a good 4gpm colt to a hot.

Yes! It makes a huge difference. For instance, if you are going to clean oil spots from concrete then "solutions" and cold water will work, but hot water will destroy it. It is well worth it. Demo one and you will be amazed!

treegal1
02-21-2009, 10:20 PM
thats a big leap from Realtor to 8$ hour pressure cleaner with a low output machine. if your hell bent start off with something in the way of 18 hp @ 4000-4500/ with 4.5 gpm, spend the money on the wall washer and the drive way walk behind, maybe even the chlorine injector.......

CHEAP TOOLS WONT LAST

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200324565_200324565

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200041024_200041024

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200308439_200308439

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200312595_200312595

LKNBigFish
02-21-2009, 10:26 PM
ended up getting a real nice used 13hp honda Mi-T-M
http://www.mitm.com/series_details.asp?Series_Id=14&ProductLine_Id=1

yard_smart
03-01-2009, 01:53 PM
they should just remove the power washing section of this board all together . . . .

Question : which machine should i get A or B

Pro Answers: you should get machine A

Response: Oh, ok well I got machine B

Really Mike, why do we even answer questions?

LKNBigFish
03-01-2009, 09:26 PM
so you dont think it is a pro machine?

http://www.toolpusherspecialtytools.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=146

yard_smart
03-01-2009, 11:36 PM
so you dont think it is a pro machine?

http://www.toolpusherspecialtytools.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=146

about the only thing that could do for me is make a little cash if i resold it . . . I WOULD NOT USE THAT!!!!! it's not even 4 gpm . . .

Look up how they figure cleaning units

kyfireman2004
03-02-2009, 01:23 AM
Dj
.........don't say that. We need pw on here for the big G word!!!! just teach the guys that wanna do it right. The ones that don't is just job security on redo's.

LKNBigFish
03-02-2009, 08:33 AM
it runs a surface cleaner just fine, and i bought some larger oriface nozzles to bring the pressure down some so i dont screw anything up.

so far i am pretty pleased with it. its like new and i paid $440, its not a high volume unit but this was closer to my budget. it seems like enough to get me started and learning.

so your saying there is no way to do it right unless you have a higher volume unit? I understand it will take me longer because of lower "cleaning units", but that does not mean it cant be done right.

the cheapest i saw it new was $2400, the general pump has ceramic plungers and a 10yr warranty and in my experience, the 13hp honda is pretty solid. its not exactly o lowes unit.

yard_smart
03-02-2009, 11:12 AM
I am saying that if your going to do this, do it right!!! Don't be some jack leg putting a rig together on a shoe string budget. According to the SBA the number one reason most small businesses fail is undercapitalization. If your going to do this do it right. Take out a loan or use the cash if you have it and buy a commercial grade piece of equipment!!!

FCPWLLC
03-02-2009, 06:18 PM
it runs a surface cleaner just fine, and i bought some larger oriface nozzles to bring the pressure down some so i dont screw anything up.

so far i am pretty pleased with it. its like new and i paid $440, its not a high volume unit but this was closer to my budget. it seems like enough to get me started and learning.

so your saying there is no way to do it right unless you have a higher volume unit? I understand it will take me longer because of lower "cleaning units", but that does not mean it cant be done right.

the cheapest i saw it new was $2400, the general pump has ceramic plungers and a 10yr warranty and in my experience, the 13hp honda is pretty solid. its not exactly o lowes unit.

You will be fine with that unit. Spend your $$$ on marketing and then get faster unit.

LKNBigFish
03-02-2009, 09:15 PM
thanks for all the input. this unit sounds like it should be fine for 5-10 properties a year and thats the most it will see. i am just looking at this as a hobby and i enjoy being good at my hobbies. once i feel like i can achieve "pro" results i may volunteer to do a few of my clients properties rather than sub it out. if i get addicted i may talk myself into a high volume pro rig. hell, last time i got addicted to a hobby i brought home a cessna so i need to butter the wife up before i sink a few grand into this.

slowleak1
03-13-2009, 02:01 PM
thanks for all the input. this unit sounds like it should be fine for 5-10 properties a year and thats the most it will see. i am just looking at this as a hobby and i enjoy being good at my hobbies. once i feel like i can achieve "pro" results i may volunteer to do a few of my clients properties rather than sub it out. if i get addicted i may talk myself into a high volume pro rig. hell, last time i got addicted to a hobby i brought home a cessna so i need to butter the wife up before i sink a few grand into this.

if you talked her into getting a cessna, im sure you will have no problem getting a pwer washer setup:laugh:

ajo771
03-21-2009, 09:16 PM
engine RPM is 3700
engine oil capacity is 37.2 oz

pump rpm is 3400
pump oil capacity is 15.2 oz

http://www.harborfreight.com/manuals/97000-97999/97005.pdf

Looks like a Honda but the engine label is never visible, not even in the owners manual.

It could be a Honda that they cannot advertise its a Honda, due to contract regulations.
But coming from Harbor Freight I'm betting it is a Chinese knock-off.

Thats a good price for that size power washer.