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DanaMac
02-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Watching CNN and seeing the unemployment rate jump to 7.4% nationally and 10.6% for Michigan, it's mind blowing. So what are you doing to help? Buying? Hiring? More education? Cutting rates to help customers?

I employ two people, and hope I can provide one or two more jobs this spring. One of my techs is struggling right now due to getting the unemployment run around. I started having him working at the shop parttime yesterday and will end up paying him for a lot of BS work, just so I know he will be around mid-March when I need him. I'll even have him work at my home on a few little projects soon.

I will also on a case by case basis, offer a break to some longtime customers when I deem fit.

One landscaper I work with has said they will not be getting their regular H2B guys this year. Or any for that matter. That means they will have to train all new guys. Which will slow things down and lower quality until they learn. They are also cutting crews and going to one major crew and one small job crew. This company has nothing going right now either, but is keeping their three main guys working at the shop and yard, just to make sure they have a job and will return.

So any plans for stimulating the economy in your plans? Buy locally? Hire and expand? Anything?

JB1
02-06-2009, 09:07 AM
We just had a bad ice storm here, and one could almost say that stimulated the economy here with all the generators that were sold, restaurants packed, all motels full, chain saw sales, out of town utility crews. There was and still is a lot of money being spent here. Myself I bought a new truck in December and filled up my fuel tanks, so I did a little.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 09:20 AM
Ignore Obama and the doom and gloom democrats for sure. Ran on Hope and Change and has done nothing but erode America's confidence and let the leftists write a screw the taxpayer over stimulus bill. What a bunch of frauds in Washington. The whole Ivy league east coast mentality is screwing this country up good for us and the next two generations. The west coast mentality sux as well. Fly over country needs to cut these two cancers out of our life.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 09:22 AM
I didn't start this to get into a political ***** fest. There are obviously millions of people without jobs. Businesses going under everyday. I don't care if you hate Obama and the Democrats. What can you and I do to help the country. Not just our own wallets.

Wet_Boots
02-06-2009, 09:25 AM
....as opposed to the able stewardship of The Crawford Kid....

Stuttering Stan
02-06-2009, 09:25 AM
I'm doing my part to stimulate the economy by contributing to the bailout debacle right now. I'm so disgruntled over this whole thing. Other than that, I'm buckling down for a rough season. Going to ride out the bad times.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 09:26 AM
I'm doing my part to stimulate the economy by contributing to the bailout debacle right now. I'm so disgruntled over this whole thing. Other than that, I'm buckling down for a rough season. Going to ride out the bad times.

But you're also taking a vacation and spending money in Colorado next week. Two thumbs up!!

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 09:27 AM
How about we get the guillotine out and start beheading every wall street biz executive that voted himself a pay raise when he knew his biz was hemorrhaging billions of dollars.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 09:28 AM
....as opposed to the able stewardship of The Crawford Kid....

You will be begging for the Crawford Kid in a couple of years.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 09:32 AM
How about we get the guillotine out and start beheading every wall street biz executive that voted himself a pay raise when he knew his biz was hemorrhaging billions of dollars.

That would be a good start. Greed and power have greatly contributed to this problem. Wall street execs, CEOs and full board members, professional athletes and their agents. But IF we did want to get political, most big businesses seem to be Republican backed, which would indicate that more Repubs have contributed to the greed and overspending. That is IF we wanted to get political here :)

I could sit on my bank account and let my employee suffer like I did years ago. But instead I'm paying him even though we have no money coming in.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 09:41 AM
That would be a good start. Greed and power have greatly contributed to this problem. Wall street execs, CEOs and full board members, professional athletes and their agents. But IF we did want to get political, most big businesses seem to be Republican backed, which would indicate that more Repubs have contributed to the greed and overspending. That is IF we wanted to get political here :)

I could sit on my bank account and let my employee suffer like I did years ago. But instead I'm paying him even though we have no money coming in.

I couldn't give a flip what party they are in. The system is so corrupt and broken all the good small business intentions in the world aren't going to amount to a hills bean sh1t against this tidal wave of being screwed over.

Stuttering Stan
02-06-2009, 09:42 AM
Sorry for the off topic rant above. On a serious note, I'm really not doing anyhting extra to help the economy. I don't have the extra money right now for big purchases. I'm just making sure the family is fed and heat stays on.

Wet_Boots
02-06-2009, 09:44 AM
I remember heat......

Mike Leary
02-06-2009, 09:48 AM
I like to think I'm helping: food, fuel, wine and whiskey!

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 09:50 AM
I couldn't give a flip what party they are in. The system is so corrupt and broken all the good small business intentions in the world aren't going to amount to a hills bean sh1t against this tidal wave of being screwed over.

Then lets just throw up our hands and say f*** it! Throw in the towel and not try. I'm trying to get a little positive discussion going to see what I, you, anybody can or will do to get things moving. It's not an over night process. It might take 10 years for things to be stable again. I'm trying to put away the sarcasm today and get some positive thoughts going. I was actually inspired by it with you saying we need to get going now in February before spring is upon us. But I guess I can go back to the f*** it attitude.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 09:50 AM
I like to think I'm helping: food, fuel, wine and whiskey!

But is it local? and more than usual? :)

Mike Leary
02-06-2009, 10:03 AM
But is it local? and more than usual? :)

Hard to buy local whiskey.

Dripit good
02-06-2009, 10:04 AM
I'll be spending money on my daughters education.

I'm saving the little bit of money I do have. I know that's part of the problem.

My wife and I did buy a sweet new Aspen in 08.....that counts right?

Michigan made products are a focus in the stores around here. Things are rough now a days.

I would not want to be retiring soon. I'm hoping for the market to remain cyclical and regain the lost value by then.

EagleLandscape
02-06-2009, 10:09 AM
I'm not doing one dang thing. It is not my responsibility to stimulate the economy. My only responsibility towards this economy is to grow my business and put as much money in my pocket as I can.
Where in the Constitution does it say it's our obligation.

We will be hiring approx 5 new ppl this year, but not for the economies sake, it's for the sake that my wife can quit her job, and stay home. For the sake that I can earn the big bucks which I've worked extremely hard for, and took large risks for.

The left can stick it for as far as I am concerned.:) (with much love... John Jr.)

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 10:09 AM
I'll be spending money on my daughters education.

I'm saving the little bit of money I do have. I know that's part of the problem.

My wife and I did buy a sweet new Aspen in 08.....that counts right?

Michigan made products are a focus in the stores around here. Things are rough now a days.

I would not want to be retiring soon. I'm hoping for the market to remain cyclical and regain the lost value by then.

Money towards education is good. Hopefully it will help her and you years down the road to prevent this problem again.

Gotta save no matter what. But when buying, buy wisely.

What's an Aspen?

The Lansing Michigan mayor was on CNN when I was watching earlier (by phone only) and he was absolutely fired up.

Things will rebound. It is cyclical. But the more we do to quickly turn it around is better. We could throw up our hands in despair and make it take longer.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm not doing one dang thing. It is not my responsibility to stimulate the economy. My only responsibility towards this economy is to grow my business and put as much money in my pocket as I can.
Where in the Constitution does it say it's our obligation.

We will be hiring approx 5 new ppl this year, but not for the economies sake, it's for the sake that my wife can quit her job, and stay home. For the sake that I can earn the big bucks which I've worked extremely hard for, and took large risks for.

The left can stick it for as far as I am concerned.:) (with much love... John Jr.)

OK great for you. But you are stimulating it, whether that is the intended purpose or not. 5 new people and putting money back into the local economy. Good job John.

Anyone OUTSIDE of Texas with a positive note here?

larryinalabama
02-06-2009, 10:17 AM
I hope I dont get kicked out of the Brown room again.

What Im doing is living my life the same as I did last year the year before, in other words Im not particapting in the recession.

And as long as IM alive Coors brewing will not need a Bailout

Dripit good
02-06-2009, 10:17 AM
What's an Aspen?

Chrysler Aspen. Pretty much loaded....cool vanilla is the color.

It's a sweet ride.

Mike Leary
02-06-2009, 10:25 AM
I'll give some local support today; going down to the neighborhood Red Wing shoe store to see if they have a pair of Romeos under $ 150 bucks.

h2oman
02-06-2009, 10:33 AM
Lobby your congressman or woman and Senators, not to pass this $1 trillion "stimulus" package. I'm going to get political here!! Because it is the politicians who got us in to this mess in the first place, and they are doing a great job of keeping out of our minds andthoughts!! Remember Fanny and Freddie?? This is the ball that started it going!! Not one SENATOR or PRESIDENT who recieved MILLIONS from them ever wanted to take their hands out of their pockets!!! Now they are trying their best to pass their own intrest upon us to pay for it. As Rhom Emmanuel said never let a time of crisis pass us by to act swift and fast. What does $50 milloin to art muesums have to do with stimulating the economy, what does $35 million to Pro-Choice movements have to do with stimulating the economy?? There are countless other "wish list" agendas on the "bail out" package. So contact your congressmen, and Senators to vote against the bailout. Look at the bail out and read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
Don't change your habits KEEP GOVERNMENT out of our BUSINESSES!!

EagleLandscape
02-06-2009, 10:36 AM
We aren't positive!!! :)

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 10:37 AM
We aren't positive!!! :)

Ooops! I worded it wrong. You know what I meant :)

Green Sweep
02-06-2009, 10:40 AM
Ignore Obama and the doom and gloom democrats for sure. Ran on Hope and Change and has done nothing but erode America's confidence and let the leftists write a screw the taxpayer over stimulus bill. What a bunch of frauds in Washington. The whole Ivy league east coast mentality is screwing this country up good for us and the next two generations. The west coast mentality sux as well. Fly over country needs to cut these two cancers out of our life.

Very well put..... I agree wholeheartedly!

From a business standpoint, I think that everyone is more cautious about their spending right now. The phone traffic in the spring for us will dictate how long that will last.

From a personal standpoint, I continue to spend as I always have. I have had a lot of work done on my house & will continue to keep local contractors busy. I have put the "Bush tax breaks" right back into the economy for the last 3 or 4 years. Family dinners, vacations....etc. That is what I have to offer.

punt66
02-06-2009, 10:42 AM
Lobby your congressman or woman and Senators, not to pass this $1 trillion "stimulus" package. I'm going to get political here!! Because it is the politicians who got us in to this mess in the first place, and they are doing a great job of keeping out of our minds andthoughts!! Remember Fanny and Freddie?? This is the ball that started it going!! Not one SENATOR or PRESIDENT who recieved MILLIONS from them ever wanted to take their hands out of their pockets!!! Now they are trying their best to pass their own intrest upon us to pay for it. As Rhom Emmanuel said never let a time of crisis pass us by to act swift and fast. What does $50 milloin to art muesums have to do with stimulating the economy, what does $35 million to Pro-Choice movements have to do with stimulating the economy?? There are countless other "wish list" agendas on the "bail out" package. So contact your congressmen, and Senators to vote against the bailout. Look at the bail out and read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
Don't change your habits KEEP GOVERNMENT out of our BUSINESSES!!

Those add ons are from your boys! They wont pass it unless their interest is involved.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 10:44 AM
I bought my new snowboard bindings from a small local shop. Not a big box chain store. I think it is himself and a one or two parttimers. I want to help the local little guys, because that is what my company is. I don't want my money going towards a retreat unless that person earned it. Shareholders and board members rarely earn it. I'm paying the little company money because he took 40 minutes showing me the difference between the different bindings. Why some are better than others. What kicks up the cost. What features they have. And so on. He took his time to make a sale. So he deserves the money and can spend it on food, or a retreat.

EagleLandscape
02-06-2009, 11:26 AM
Another big point I forgot to hit on was this "stimulus crap-ola" that is supposed to inject spending in the economy...???!!! That's what got us into this whole mess. People without financial literacy, spending money they didn't have, expecting their paychecks to become bigger so they can afford it, and being completely irresponsible in the first place.

I have a lower-limit on my bank accounts that I won't let myself go under. When I graduated from college a year and a half ago, I had 1 full years of living expenses in the bank. I even did a radio show for Crown Financial Ministries and talked about how I worked and saved for it. Bought rental property, lived rent free my college career and put the money in the bank. I could literally walk away from working for a year or two, and survive on my current living habits.

Most americans are living from paycheck to paycheck because they "Spend spend spend) and don't save save save!! I don't agree with Dave Ramsey on his "Credit is the Devil" mentality, because I think that is foolish. It credit enables a smart business decision to be made, then by all means do it." I have built my business on cash for the first few years, and now that we are mostly commercial, credit is king in floating expenses due to slow payers.

All-in-all. People shouldn't feel like it is their Patriotic duty to spend so they can save the economy. They were the ones that caused it in the first place. Like Peter said, The East and West coast need to peace out, and let the level-headed normal hand-shake-agreement type of folks continue doing business in a sound way.

I miss Crawford, we are in for atleast 4 years of absolute hell.

EagleLandscape
02-06-2009, 11:32 AM
Here is a great speech that has never been given, but should be given at every graduation ceremony.

http://boortz.com/more/commencement.html

"I am honored by the invitation to address you on this august occasion. It's about time. Be warned, however, that I am not here to impress you; you'll have enough smoke blown your way today. And you can bet your tassels I'm not here to impress the faculty and administration.

You may not like much of what I have to say, and that's fine. You will remember it though. Especially after about 10 years out there in the real world. This, it goes without saying, does not apply to those of you who will seek your careers and your fortunes as government employees.

This gowned gaggle behind me is your faculty. You've heard the old saying that those who can - do. Those who can't - teach. That sounds deliciously insensitive. But there is often raw truth in insensitivity, just as you often find feel-good falsehoods and lies in compassion. Say good-bye to your faculty because now you are getting ready to go out there and do. These folks behind me are going to stay right here and teach.

By the way, just because you are leaving this place with a diploma doesn't mean the learning is over. When an FAA flight examiner handed me my private pilot's license many years ago, he said, 'Here, this is your ticket to learn.' The same can be said for your diploma. Believe me, the learning has just begun.

Now, I realize that most of you consider yourselves Liberals. In fact, you are probably very proud of your liberal views. You care so much. You feel so much. You want to help so much. After all, you're a compassionate and caring person, aren't you now? Well, isn't that just so extraordinarily special. Now, at this age, is as good a time as any to be a Liberal; as good a time as any to know absolutely everything. You have plenty of time, starting tomorrow, for the truth to set in. Over the next few years, as you begin to feel the cold breath of reality down your neck, things are going to start changing pretty fast .. including your own assessment of just how much you really know.

So here are the first assignments for your initial class in reality: Pay attention to the news, read newspapers, and listen to the words and phrases that proud Liberals use to promote their causes. Then compare the words of the left to the words and phrases you hear from those evil, heartless, greedy conservatives. From the Left you will hear "I feel." From the Right you will hear "I think." From the Liberals you will hear references to groups --The Blacks, The Poor, The Rich, The Disadvantaged, The Less Fortunate. From the Right you will hear references to individuals. On the Left you hear talk of group rights; on the Right, individual rights.

That about sums it up, really: Liberals feel. Liberals care. They are pack animals whose identity is tied up in group dynamics. Conservatives and Libertarians think -- and, setting aside the theocracy crowd, their identity is centered on the individual.

Liberals feel that their favored groups, have enforceable rights to the property and services of productive individuals. Conservatives (and Libertarians, myself among them I might add) think that individuals have the right to protect their lives and their property from the plunder of the masses.

In college you developed a group mentality, but if you look closely at your diplomas you will see that they have your individual names on them. Not the name of your school mascot, or of your fraternity or sorority, butyourname. Your group identity is going away. Your recognition and appreciation of your individual identity starts now.

If, by the time you reach the age of 30, you do not consider yourself to be a libertarian or a conservative, rush right back here as quickly as you can and apply for a faculty position. These people will welcome you with open arms. They will welcome you, that is, so long as you haven't developed an individual identity. Once again you will have to be willing to sign on to the group mentality you embraced during the past four years.

Something is going to happen soon that is going to really open your eyes. You're going to actually get a full time job! You're also going to get a lifelong work partner. This partner isn't going to help you do your job. This partner is just going to sit back and wait for payday. This partner doesn't want to share in your effort, just your earnings.

Your new lifelong partner is actually an agent; an agent representing a strange and diverse group of people. An agent for every teenager with an illegitimate child. An agent for a research scientist who wanted to make some cash answering the age-old question of why monkeys grind their teeth. An agent for some poor aging hippie who considers herself to be a meaningful and talented artist ... but who just can't manage to sell any of her artwork on the open market.

Your new partner is an agent for every person with limited, if any, job skills; for every person who ignored all offered educational opportunities, dreaming of nothing more than a job at City Hall. An agent for tin-horn dictators in fancy military uniforms grasping for American foreign aid. An agent for multi-million-dollar companies who want someone else to pay for their overseas advertising. An agent for everybody who wants to use the unimaginable power of this agent's for their personal enrichment and benefit.

That agent is our wonderful, caring, compassionate, oppressive Imperial Federal Government. Believe me, you will be awed by the unimaginable power this agent has. Power that you do not have. A power that no individual has, will have or should have. This agent has the legal power to use force – deadly force – to accomplish its goals.

You have no choice here. Your new friend is just going to walk up to you, introduce itself rather gruffly, hand you a few forms to fill out, and move right on in. Say hello to your own personal one ton gorilla with a gun. It will sleep anywhere it wants to.

Now, let me tell you, this agent is not cheap. As you become successful it will seize about 40% of everything you earn. And no, I'm sorry, there just isn't any way you can fire this agent of plunder, and you can't decrease it's share of your income. That power rests with him, not you.

So, here I am saying negative things to you about government. Well, be clear on this: It is not wrong to distrust government. It is not wrong to fear government. In certain cases it is not even wrong to despise government for government is inherently evil. Oh yes, I know it's a necessary evil, but it is dangerous nonetheless ... somewhat like a drug. Just as a drug that in the proper dosage can save your life, an overdose of government can be fatal.

Now – let's address a few things that have been crammed into your minds at this university. There are some ideas you need to expunge as soon as possible. These ideas may work well in academic environment, but they fail miserably out there in the real world.

First – that favorite buzz word of the media, government and academia: Diversity!

You have been taught that the real value of any group of people - be it a social group, an employee group, a management group, whatever - is based on diversity. This is a favored liberal ideal because diversity is based not on an individual's abilities or character, but on a person's identity and status as a member of a group. Yes – it's that liberal group identity thing again.

Within the great diversity movement group identification - be it racial, gender based, or some other minority status - means more than the individual's integrity, character or other qualifications.

Brace yourself. You are about to move from this academic atmosphere where diversity rules, to a workplace and a culture where individual achievement and excellence actually count. No matter what your professors have taught you over the last four years, you are about to learn that diversity is absolutely no replacement for excellence, ability, and individual hard work.

From this day on every single time you hear the word "diversity" you can rest assured that there is someone close by who is determined to rob you of every vestige of individuality you possess.

We also need to address this thing you seem to have about "rights." We have witnessed an obscene explosion of so-called "rights" in the last few decades, usually emanating from college campuses.

You know the mantra: You have the right to a job. The right to a place to live. The right to a living wage. The right to health care. The right to an education. You probably even have your own pet right - the right to a Beemer, for instance, or the right to have someone else provide for that child you plan on downloading in a year or so.

Forget it. Forget those rights! I'll tell you what your rights are! You have a right to live free, and to whatever wealth you are able to produce with your labor. I'll also tell you have no right to any portion of the life or labor of another.

You may think, for instance, that you have a right to health care. After all, Hillary said so, didn't she? But you cannot receive health care unless some doctor or health practitioner surrenders some of his time - his life - to you. He may be willing to do this for compensation, but that's his choice. You have no "right" to his time or property. You have no right to his or any other person's life or to any portion thereof.

You may also think you have some "right" to a job; a job with a living wage, whatever that is. Do you mean to tell me that you have a right to force your services on another person, and then the right to demand that this person compensate you with their money? I can't wait for you to point that one out for me in our Constitution. I sure would like to be a fly on the wall when some urban outdoorsmen (that would be "homeless person" for those of you who don't want to give these less fortunate people a romantic and adventurous title) came to you and demanded his job and your money.

The people who have been telling you about all the rights you have are simply exercising one of theirs - the right to be imbeciles. Their being imbeciles didn't cost anyone else either property or time. It's their right, and they exercise it brilliantly.

By the way, did you catch my use of the phrase "less fortunate" a bit ago when I was talking about the urban outdoorsmen? That phrase is a favorite of the Left. Think about it, and you'll understand why.

To imply that one person is homeless, destitute, dirty, drunk, spaced out on drugs, unemployable, and generally miserable because he is "less fortunate" is to imply that a successful person - one with a job, a home and a future - is in that position because he or she was "fortunate." The dictionary says that fortunate means "having derived good from an unexpected place." There is nothing unexpected about deriving good from hard work. There is also nothing unexpected about deriving misery from choosing drugs, alcohol, and the street instead of education and personal responsibility.

If the Left can create the common perception that success and failure are simple matters of "fortune" or "luck," then it is easy to promote and justify their various income redistribution schemes. After all, we are just evening out the odds a little bit, aren't we?

This "success equals luck" idea the liberals like to push is seen everywhere. Democratic presidential candidate Richard Gephardt refers to high-achievers as "people who have won life's lottery." He wants you to believe they are making the big bucks because they are lucky; all they did was buy the right lottery ticket. What an insult this is to the man or woman who works that 60 hour week to provide for a family.

It's not luck, my friends. It's choice. One of the greatest lessons I ever learned was in a book by Og Mandino, entitled "The Greatest Secret in the World." The lesson? Very simple: "Use wisely your power of choice."

That bum sitting on a heating grate, smelling like a wharf rat? He's there by choice. He is there because of the sum total of the choices he has made in his life. This truism is absolutely the hardest thing for some people to accept, especially those who consider themselves to be victims of something or other - victims of discrimination, bad luck, the system, capitalism, whatever. After all, nobody really wants to accept the blame for his or her position in life. Not when it is so much easier to point and say, "Look! He did this to me!" than it is to look into a mirror and say, "You S.O.B.! You did this to me!"

The key to accepting responsibility for your life is to accept the fact that your choices, every one of them, are leading you inexorably to either success or failure, however you define those terms.

Some of the choices are obvious: Whether or not to stay in school. Whether or not to get pregnant. Whether or not to hit the bottle. Whether or not to keep this job you hate until you get another better-paying job. Whether or not to save some of your money, or saddle yourself with huge payments for that new car.

Some of the choices are seemingly insignificant: Whom to go to the movies with. Whose car to ride home in. Whether to watch the tube tonight, or read a book on investing. But, and you can be sure of this, each choice counts. Each choice is a building block - some large, some small. But each one is a part of the structure of your life. If you make the right choices, or if you make more right choices than wrong ones, something absolutely terrible may happen to you. Something unthinkable. You, my friend, could become one of the hated, the evil, the ugly, the feared, the filthy, the successful, the rich.

Quite a few people have followed that tragic path.

The rich basically serve two purposes in this country. First, they provide the investments, the investment capital, and the brains for the formation of new businesses. Businesses that hire people. Businesses that send millions of paychecks home each week to the un-rich.

Second, the rich are a wonderful object of ridicule, distrust, and hatred. Few things are more valuable to a politician than the envy most Americans feel for the evil rich.

Envy is a powerful emotion. Even more powerful than the emotional minefield that surrounded Bill Clinton when he reviewed his last batch of White House interns. Politicians use envy to get votes and power. And they keep that power by promising the envious that the envied will be punished: "The rich will pay their fair share of taxes if I have anything to do with it.'

The truth is that the top 10% of income earners in this country pays almost 50% of all income taxes collected. I shudder to think what these job producers would be paying if our tax system were any more "fair."

You have heard, no doubt, that in America the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Interestingly enough, our government's own numbers show that many of the poor actually get richer, and that quite a few of the rich actually get poorer. But for the rich who do actually get richer, and the poor who remain poor ... there's an explanation -- a reason. The rich, you see, keep doing the things that make them rich; while the poor keep doing the things that make them poor.

Speaking of the poor, during your adult life you are going to hear an endless string of politicians bemoaning the plight of the poor in America. So, you need to know that under our government's definition of "poor" you can have a $5 million net worth, a $300,000 home and a new $90,000 Mercedes, all completely paid for. You can also have a maid, cook, and valet, and $1 million in your checking account, and you can still be officially defined by our government as "living in poverty." Now there's something you haven't seen on the evening news.

How does the government pull this one off? Very simple, really. To determine whether or not some poor soul is "living in poverty," the government measures one thing -- just one thing. Income. It doesn't matter one bit how much you have, how much you own, how many cars you drive or how big they are, whether or not your pool is heated, whether you winter in Aspen and spend the summers in the Bahamas, or how much is in your savings account. It only matters how much income you claim in that particular year. This means that if you take a one-year leave of absence from your high-paying job and decide to live off the money in your savings and checking accounts while you write the next great American novel, the government says you are 'living in poverty."

This isn't exactly what you had in mind when you heard these gloomy statistics, is it?

Do you need more convincing? Try this. The government's own statistics show that people who are said to be "living in poverty" spend more than $1.50 for each dollar of income they claim. Something is a bit fishy here. just remember all this the next time Peter Jennings puffs up and tells you about some hideous new poverty statistics.

And please remember this: The average person in this country described as "poor" has a higher standard of living than the average European. Not the average "poor" European, the average European.

Why has the government concocted this phony poverty scam? Because the government needs an excuse to grow and to expand its social welfare programs, which translates into an expansion of its power. If the government can convince you, in all your compassion,that the number of "poor" is increasing, it will have all the excuse it needs to sway an electorate suffering from the advanced stages of Obsessive-Compulsive Compassion Disorder.

Well, it looks like I'm about to be given the hook. The faculty looks a little angry. I'll bet they've already changed their minds about that honorary degree I was going to get.That's OK, though. I still have my Ph.D. in Insensitivity from the Neal Boortz Institute for Insensitivity Training. I learned that, in short, sensitivity sucks. It's a trap. Think about it - the truth knows no sensitivity. Life can be insensitive. Wallow too much in sensitivity and you'll be unable to deal with life, or the truth. So, get over it.

Mad Estonian
02-06-2009, 11:33 AM
Good for you Dana, for putting yourself in your employees' shoes/boots, and taking care of them. That's what bosses should do.
The new job numbers are actually worse percentage-wise here in Canada, even though we're supposed to be in better shape. Overall, unemployment is about the same.
Honestly, providing good employment to other people motivates me more than my own pocketbook when it comes to growing my business (though that's certainly important too, you can't take care of others if you don't take care of yourself).
My mother-in-law, who's well-set financially, is talking about not eating out anymore. That boggles me. Better support the local businesses you want to see stick around, or else...

EagleLandscape
02-06-2009, 11:33 AM
Now, before the dean has me shackled and hauled off, I have a few random thoughts.

* You need to register to vote, unless you are on welfare. If you are living off the efforts of others, please do us the favor of sitting down and shutting up until you are on your own again. To the welfare class I say that we're taking care of you we would appreciate if if you would just stay out of our way so we can get the job done.

* When you do vote, your votes for the House and the Senate are more important than your vote for president. The House controls the purse strings, so concentrate your awareness there.

* Liars cannot be trusted, even when the liar is the president of the United States. If someone can't deal honestly with you, send them packing.

* Don't bow to the temptation to use the government as an instrument of plunder. If it is wrong for you to take money from someone else who earned it -- to take their money by force for your own needs -- then it is certainly just as wrong for you to demand that the government step forward and do this dirty work for you.

* Don't look in other people's pockets. You have no business there. What they earn is theirs. What your earn is yours. Keep it that way. Nobody owes you anything, except to respect your privacy and your rights, and leave you the hell alone.

* Speaking of earning, the revered 40-hour workweek is for losers. Forty hours should be considered the minimum, not the maximum. You don't see highly successful people clocking out of the office every afternoon at five. The losers are the ones caught up in that afternoon rush hour. The winners drive home in the dark.

* Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection.

* Finally (and aren't you glad to hear that word), as Og Mandino wrote,

1. Proclaim your rarity. Each of you is a rare and unique human being.

2. Use wisely your power of choice.

3. Go the extra mile ... drive home in the dark.

Oh, and put off buying a television set as long as you can.

Now, if you have any idea at all what's good for you, you will get the hell out of here and never come back.

Class dismissed. "

Mad Estonian
02-06-2009, 11:40 AM
The solidity of one's ego is highly over-rated.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't all keep working hard, though...

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 11:44 AM
The thing that ticks me off to no end is that the Obama crowd preyed on the hopes and dreams of young people to get their vote and then turned around and robbed their future with this fraud of a stimulus crapola. If they really wanted to stimulate the economy why not just suspend income taxes for 5 months? The economy would turn around so fast we'd never realized how perilous it was. Once the economy picks up on its own combined with this fraud of a bailout we'll have inflation which will further rob our children of their future. All because of this Hope and Change scam.

Personally I'd avoid hiring anybody. lay off all you can and go back to being a one man show. Make the govt. beg small businesses to start hiring and growing again. Why reward these elitists and bail them out with our sweat, hard labor, and risks just to have them screw us over and over again? Find your best customers, work a deal with them, dump the rest, sell all your excess equipment, keep one good guy, get your personal expenses under control, and spend more time with your family or fishing.

Wet_Boots
02-06-2009, 11:51 AM
Tax cuts stimulate nothing but the fever dreams of greedheads.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Tax cuts stimulate nothing but the fever dreams of greedheads.

BS boots. I already kicked your azz in this argument once and I'm not wasting my time doing it again. I realize you want the govt. to make all your decisions in life. Do it without robbing entrepreneurs of their hard earned money.

Wet_Boots
02-06-2009, 12:06 PM
BS boots. I already kicked your azz in this argument once and I'm not wasting my time doing it again. (more fever dreams) I realize you want the govt. to make all your decisions in life. Do it without robbing entrepreneurs of their hard earned money.So eliminate all taxes, every single dollar of them, and paradise awaits.

Pull the other one, it's got bells.

Yes, we all hate taxes. Even more so, because dumb things can get done with them. Eliminate all taxes, and that will eliminate all the dumb things that can get done with them.

Somewhere between the idealistic philosophies of left and right, is the real world, where there's work to be done. Save the jingoistic rantings for the sandbox.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 12:13 PM
So eliminate all taxes, every single dollar of them, and paradise awaits.

Pull the other one, it's got bells.

Yes, we all hate taxes. Even more so, because dumb things can get done with them. Eliminate all taxes, and that will eliminate all the dumb things that can get done with them.

Somewhere between the idealistic pholosophies of left and right, is the real world, where there's work to be done. Save the jingoistic rantings for the sandbox.

Oh cr@p here we go again. Okay set the tax rate that will provide for basic services and not derail the economy oh wise one. Tell us how to stimulate the economy Mr Genius. For you any tax rate that keeps somebody from leaving the country is the right tax rate. Screw them as much as you can get away with is your attitude. Why don't you donate your entire net worth to this govt. you think is so awesome? Course I suspect you are on the receiving end.

Wet_Boots
02-06-2009, 12:24 PM
See, if you can't eliminate all taxes, then you are embracing them as a necessity. As always, the devil is in the details. Absent any coherent philosophies, it comes back to angry feelings about government waste, and discussions move into Dr. Phil territory.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 12:24 PM
The government will always be there. Dems and Repubs. Good and bad. It's not going away. One thing I like about Obama is he's not from a longtime multi-generation American political family. his dad was a Kenyan government economist. We need new and BETTER ideas. They can't come from the same old Kennedys and Bushs year in and year out. And we can't oust them all at once. Never gonna happen. But we can't just stick our heads in the sand and ignore things either. Sure you can hole up in your own little bubble and do well, but how does that affect the choices that will affect your kids years from now? Government will still be a mess if we don't CHANGE slowly. It can't be quick or mass chaos will ensue. It's almost there in my mind - the chaos that is.

Back on topic..... I continue to spend. But spend more wisely now. And I have provided a job for different people, one of which just bought his first home last month. He couldn't have done it if I laid him off and went one man show again. And he'd be SOL if I laid him off now. I provide stability. I've been a one man. Don't want to do it again. My other employee has two adult kids in AZ that are both out of a job and losing the house they own. Dad can't get a job in the tech industry that he work hard in for 30 years. But they're willing to pay someone twice his wage at half his age.

Yeah let's just not help anyone. I get a great deal of satisfaction knowing that I can help two other people stay employed. John are you willing to take Peter's advice and go one man? probably can't live the lifestyle you've grown accustomed to.

I'm trying to get some ideas thrown around and some of you are taking it personal. as I said this wasn't started to be a fricking political b**** fest. And no I don't support the current stimulus plan. And the last one under BUSH was a joke too. Thanks for the weak ass $600.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 12:31 PM
Dana where have you been the last two weeks? This bill and the last two weeks show what a TOTAL FRAUD OBAMA IS. Get over the Hope and Change. YOU GOT SCREWED JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WORSE THAN WE HAVE EVER BEEN SCREWED IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. Just pray that we don't have a terrorist attack now that our jr senator has declared an end to war on terrorism.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 12:40 PM
Forget it. Mods, can you move this to the political forum where it apparently should go now.

No way your effing boys Bush or McCain could get us out of this fricking mess either. Do you really believe that? they both helped get us here as did Obama. Yes I'll admit it. EVERY one in DC has helped. So has every lawn and irrigation guy that has hired from south of the border. So have you. so have I. WE HAVE ALL DONE IT. SO has every American that has spent unwisely.

How would cutting income taxes for 5 months help the millions without a job? If they're not earning they are not having taxes taken out.

If your doing nothing to stimulate the economy, as the thread is titled, just say "nothing" and move on.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 01:07 PM
Poor people getting income redistribution doesn't stimulate the economy. Entrepreneurs taking risks with hard earned capital stimulates the economy. Get rid of the business tax. Offer tax incentives to people willing to purchase equipment and hire people. Simplify the tax code. release road funds ASAP. Cut the capital gains tax. The last thing you should do is increase the welfare rolls and expand government.

DanaMac
02-06-2009, 01:09 PM
Poor people getting income redistribution doesn't stimulate the economy. Entrepreneurs taking risks with hard earned capital stimulates the economy. Get rid of the business tax. Offer tax incentives to people willing to purchase equipment and hire people. Simplify the tax code. release road funds ASAP. Cut the capital gains tax. The last thing you should do is increase the welfare rolls and expand government.

If it were that easy, why didn't Bush do it? Or any other politician?

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 01:18 PM
If it were that easy, why didn't Bush do it? Or any other politician?

Politicians don't want you to know how unimportant they are. They have a vested interest in creating wards of the state. That bill is an expansion of the govt. dependency class not a stimulate the economy through the free market system. Most politicians are clueless at economics. They just know how to get reelected by making voters dependent on them.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 01:31 PM
Stimulate the economy with this video.

http://www.reagandocumentary.com/index.html

ARGOS
02-06-2009, 01:31 PM
Get rid of the business tax. Offer tax incentives to people willing to purchase equipment and hire people. Simplify the tax code. release road funds ASAP. Cut the capital gains tax. The last thing you should do is increase the welfare rolls and expand government.

That's what Reagan did and he handed Bush Sr. an economic mess.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 01:35 PM
That's what Reagan did and he handed Bush Sr. an economic mess.

No he didn't. After 8 years of growth we had a recession then we had the growth again through the Clinton years. Recessions are a normal part of free enterprise. The govt uses recessions to expand their power and create state wards with fear tactics.

ARGOS
02-06-2009, 01:36 PM
"...Nobel Prize winner Robert Solow, argue that the deficits were a major reason why Reagan's successor, George H. W. Bush, reneged on a campaign promise and raised taxes." The deficits were created from a 1% decline in tax revenues.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-06-2009, 01:39 PM
"...Nobel Prize winner Robert Solow, argue that the deficits were a major reason why Reagan's successor, George H. W. Bush, reneged on a campaign promise and raised taxes." The deficits were created from a 1% decline in tax revenues.

That and his lack of ballz to stand up to congress on demanding spending cuts. Tax revenues never dropped. They just couldn't keep up with the growth of govt.

Toy2
02-06-2009, 01:56 PM
Buying gallons of KY.......that went I should enjoy getting screwed...

AI Inc
02-07-2009, 08:26 AM
Well Ill probably be buying a new snowmobile in the next few days as I blew a connecting rod right threw the motor casing yesterday. I will buy it here in NH ( for more reasons then just no sales tax , but that is an added bonus) and it will be one built in Rossau Minn.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-07-2009, 08:32 AM
Well Ill probably be buying a new snowmobile in the next few days as I blew a connecting rod right threw the motor casing yesterday. I will buy it here in NH ( for more reasons then just no sales tax , but that is an added bonus) and it will be one built in Rossau Minn.

Hold off might be a tax credit for snowmachines in the screw the taxpayer bill. They got everything else in that piece of garbage. When you get it do wheelies with it in the lawns of those two spineless Maine Senators.

In 6 months this recession will be over without any govt. help just based on the economic cycle. The rush to get it passed is so they can claim it made a difference.

AI Inc
02-07-2009, 08:40 AM
Cant hold off , I have a 3 state tour starting mon or tues , weather permitting.

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 09:12 AM
I bought a napoleon :)

AI Inc
02-07-2009, 09:14 AM
I bought a napoleon :)

Just 1? I cant leave an Italian bakery without dropping $18

DanaMac
02-07-2009, 09:18 AM
Just 1? I cant leave an Italian bakery without dropping $18

I wish we had more of 'em here. Pueblo Colorado, about 30-40 minutes from C. Springs, actually has a LOT of them. Pretty high Italian community. Pueblo has a little mob history to it. Nothing like going to the WOP Shop :)

hoskm01
02-07-2009, 09:18 AM
Ive always, and will continue to be a small shop buyer. Loyal to my local distributors, etc, personal and business.

I dont think we need to give money away to "stimulate the economy." Im against the bill and agree with Fim that the cycle will continue, and back up we'll go.

I am going skiing next week. Bought new boots the other day.

AI Inc
02-07-2009, 09:25 AM
Ive always, and will continue to be a small shop buyer. Loyal to my local distributors, etc, personal and business.

I dont think we need to give money away to "stimulate the economy." Im against the bill and agree with Fim that the cycle will continue, and back up we'll go.

.

Couldnt agree more, People say he will fix in within 4-5 yrs. Left alone , it will fix itself before that.

DanaMac
02-07-2009, 09:38 AM
This second stimulus was already in the beginning stages even before Obama was elected in Nov. It had been in the works before he got his hands on it. So don't put all the blame on him.

And what? Bushy never duped us? Can anyone spell WMD?

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 09:43 AM
I think some of the needed progress, like the power grid improvements, might never happen without federal involvement.

hoskm01
02-07-2009, 09:46 AM
I think some of the needed progress, like the power grid improvements, might never happen without federal involvement.
And thats fine. But lets not play it off as a stimulus package. Make the darned improvements, if theyre needed. (They are)

DanaMac
02-07-2009, 09:49 AM
I think some of the needed progress, like the power grid improvements, might never happen without federal involvement.

True. Government needed to do something, but this stim plan got out of control. In September they were talking of another $50-$100 billion, and it ended up in the $800 billion range. The mess started in housing, and more should be done in that sector to prevent it again. Infrastructure jobs are a good way to get things going, which would fall into your power grid note.

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 09:55 AM
If it were my call, I'd consider a few billion spent on building a new oil refinery on polluted government land as a worthwhile investment.

DanaMac
02-07-2009, 10:00 AM
I think they should spend it on irrigating every spare inch of earth :) With no regs. Get our industry going a little more.

hoskm01
02-07-2009, 10:08 AM
I think they should spend it on irrigating every spare inch of earth :) With no regs. Get our industry going a little more.
If I can charge like Halliburton did/does, Im all for it.

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 10:10 AM
Bring on the $5000 RPZ!!!

Without A Drought
02-07-2009, 11:17 AM
If I bye a new TV from Circuit City, does that count as stimulating the economy?

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 11:26 AM
Are their liquidation prices low enough yet? I heard all the good stuff had been jacked up.

Without A Drought
02-07-2009, 11:38 AM
not too bad, but not really discounted either. i haven't been down yet. just looking online. maybe in store is cheaper.

bicmudpuppy
02-07-2009, 12:20 PM
WOW, and WOW :)

Stimulating? I hope to find the fortitude to convince the ownership that throwing money down the drain here is a total waste and that we MUST operate on a operating budget based on income, NOT based on the tax write off needs of our investors. (Especially since none of them need that write off now that Wall Street crapped) I want to see us do a 50%+ reduction in payroll/labor with a major increase in productivity from the employees we keep. With all that, I expect to see a 15-20% increase in revenue due to other changes in our market. My expressed (loudly and emphatically) opinion has been and still is that those increase cannot happen unless we change our management style to a leaner, more productive work force. If we look like we don't care, with wasted labor watching the clubhouse TV while getting paid, then the public will view us as uncaring and wasteful and not frequent our facility.

DanaMac
02-07-2009, 12:25 PM
WOW, and WOW :)

Stimulating? I hope to find the fortitude to convince the ownership that throwing money down the drain here is a total waste and that we MUST operate on a operating budget based on income, NOT based on the tax write off needs of our investors. (Especially since none of them need that write off now that Wall Street crapped) I want to see us do a 50%+ reduction in payroll/labor with a major increase in productivity from the employees we keep. With all that, I expect to see a 15-20% increase in revenue due to other changes in our market. My expressed (loudly and emphatically) opinion has been and still is that those increase cannot happen unless we change our management style to a leaner, more productive work force. If we look like we don't care, with wasted labor watching the clubhouse TV while getting paid, then the public will view us as uncaring and wasteful and not frequent our facility.

Don't you think numbers of round of golf will be down? Or what do you think will generate more rounds? I know I'm giving up my season hockey tickets, but we'll still go to a few games. It's not all economic reasons that we are giving them up. Team is going downhill, long drive for us, I keep giving more tickets away each year. And I'd rather spend the money on other activities.

bicmudpuppy
02-07-2009, 12:41 PM
Don't you think numbers of round of golf will be down? Or what do you think will generate more rounds? I know I'm giving up my season hockey tickets, but we'll still go to a few games. It's not all economic reasons that we are giving them up. Team is going downhill, long drive for us, I keep giving more tickets away each year. And I'd rather spend the money on other activities.

Rounds will be up again because we are the cheapest in the area. My "competition" had a major price increase. Rounds have been steadily up, just not to where they need to be for the last six years. We did about 12,000 rounds. The two other, open to the public courses, did 25K and 40K rounds last year. The 40K course eliminated the regional discount, increased the season pass, and is busy enough you can't play 18 holes in 5 hours. Even with a moderate increase (that most likely won't happen), we are still less expensive and on a weekday, you can make it around my course in 3 hours. We enforce a 4 hour speed of play when the course gets busy. All this should mean we won't see a reduction in our growth rate on rounds. If the economy wasn't in the crapper, I would say I was expecting more than a 25% increase in rounds. If I "win" some of the battles I am fighting, I still expect that due to increased quality of the overall course.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-07-2009, 07:01 PM
I think some of the needed progress, like the power grid improvements, might never happen without federal involvement.

Couldn't agree more. Govt. did a fabulous job cleaning up polluted rivers as well. Internet is another Govt. project.

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 07:11 PM
Some of the progress is bound to run against established corporate interests, which will make the private sector reluctant to lead the way. Do you think your cable/phone providers want to see broadband capability appear in the power grid?

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-07-2009, 07:25 PM
Some of the progress is bound to run against established corporate interests, which will make the private sector reluctant to lead the way. Do you think your cable/phone providers want to see broadband capability appear in the power grid?

Something like that should have private development not the govt. picking winners and losers.

How about this snake I came across at Purtis Creek today. I believe it is a copperhead.

Wet_Boots
02-07-2009, 07:31 PM
Beats chipping away at the ice on my driveway.

DanaMac
02-07-2009, 07:32 PM
How about this snake I came across at Purtis Creek today. I believe it is a copperhead.

I get small bull or garter snakes in my lighting transformer. And we have one good sized bull snake out front we named Voldemort.

EagleLandscape
02-07-2009, 07:59 PM
peter, thats definitely a copperhead. where is purtis park. are you in dallas?

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-09-2009, 08:50 AM
peter, thats definitely a copperhead. where is purtis park. are you in dallas?

Hi J sorry I missed this. It is east of Seagoville on 175 down by Cedar Creek Lake. A small no wake fishing area stocked with monster bass from the lunker program. I checked out a trailer and then went there to practice some fly casting. I just moved the snake off the trail into some high grass. I gave it a list of people to bite for sparing its life.

DEPRESSING STORY HERE

The $9.7 trillion in pledges would be enough to send a $1,430 check to every man, woman and child alive in the world. It’s 13 times what the U.S. has spent so far on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to Congressional Budget Office data, and is almost enough to pay off every home mortgage loan in the U.S., calculated at $10.5 trillion by the Federal Reserve.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok

irrig8r
02-10-2009, 11:12 AM
I'm stimulating the economy by continuing to eat out a couple nights a week, at cheaper places, but always leaving a bigger tip, like to the sandwich maker at Togo's, the pizza delivery guy and the waitress at the greasy spoon diner we go to a couple times a month for breakfast on the weekends.

Wet_Boots
02-10-2009, 11:29 AM
I think I will apply a dual-stimulization approach, and spend some money at a strip club.

bicmudpuppy
02-10-2009, 03:03 PM
Dana, kudos for the attempt with the conversation. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we will find that those who believed the President as he toured the country crying big bad wolf, are going to find we let the fox into the chicken house and he brought his entire extended family with him. The media let him paint a picture of the perfect candidate, hiding or ignoring anything negative and playing up every mistake the opposition happened to make. You had to do the You Tube thing to see most of what I considered his "best" side. Like being to ignorant to even hear himself talk about being sorry he only managed to tour 58 states, and things of that nature. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but all of that means to me that we have the greatest puppet of big business and corrupt politics to ever attempt to take over our country. We are going to bail out those who have run our economy into the ground while making SEVEN figure salaries.

You want a stimulus plan that makes sense and puts people back to work. Offer tax breaks or tax amnesty to every small business (lets say any entity that grosses less than 1.5million last year) that showed a profit who will INCREASE labor by 25%. I say that showed a profit, because if they didn't show a profit, they aren't in a position to grow this year.

Wet_Boots
02-10-2009, 03:32 PM
Yeah, who needs a job, if you have a tax break. The S.S. Tax Break has sailed, and is rumored to have sunk with all hands.

RegalLawnCare.Com
03-01-2009, 06:23 AM
Watching CNN and seeing the unemployment rate jump to 7.4% nationally and 10.6% for Michigan, it's mind blowing. So what are you doing to help? Buying? Hiring? More education? Cutting rates to help customers?

I employ two people, and hope I can provide one or two more jobs this spring. One of my techs is struggling right now due to getting the unemployment run around. I started having him working at the shop parttime yesterday and will end up paying him for a lot of BS work, just so I know he will be around mid-March when I need him. I'll even have him work at my home on a few little projects soon.

I will also on a case by case basis, offer a break to some longtime customers when I deem fit.

One landscaper I work with has said they will not be getting their regular H2B guys this year. Or any for that matter. That means they will have to train all new guys. Which will slow things down and lower quality until they learn. They are also cutting crews and going to one major crew and one small job crew. This company has nothing going right now either, but is keeping their three main guys working at the shop and yard, just to make sure they have a job and will return.

So any plans for stimulating the economy in your plans? Buy locally? Hire and expand? Anything?

We're offering a "Stimulus Special" (view http://www.regallawncare.com/mowingspecialform_website/ to see offer) to new lawn mowing customers. We'll be charging $30 per/cut for any lawn less than 1/3rd of an acre in our "Prime areas", which is about a 5 mile radius frmo our base ($5 more if outside that area but still in area where we work) plus 2 free cuttings (first and last)...The deal is the customer has to signup through our website and, by filling out the form, they are agreeing to service - there's no middle process where I have to "Sell" them on the service. Also, we are going to try to sell the same special door to door...My assistant and I will do some of this, and we are hiring salespeople for the 2 months period March 15th - May 15th on a 100% commission basis - $30-%50 per sale (bi-weekly/weekly commission). The nice thing about this is we are having the salespeople collect cash/check for the first months service, so there will be no negative cash flow in paying there commissions.

Here's hoping it works!

punt66
03-01-2009, 06:32 AM
We're offering a "Stimulus Special" (view http://www.regallawncare.com/mowingspecialform_website/ to see offer) to new lawn mowing customers. We'll be charging $30 per/cut for any lawn less than 1/3rd of an acre in our "Prime areas", which is about a 5 mile radius frmo our base ($5 more if outside that area but still in area where we work) plus 2 free cuttings (first and last)...The deal is the customer has to signup through our website and, by filling out the form, they are agreeing to service - there's no middle process where I have to "Sell" them on the service. Also, we are going to try to sell the same special door to door...My assistant and I will do some of this, and we are hiring salespeople for the 2 months period March 15th - May 15th on a 100% commission basis - $30-%50 per sale (bi-weekly/weekly commission). The nice thing about this is we are having the salespeople collect cash/check for the first months service, so there will be no negative cash flow in paying there commissions.

Here's hoping it works!

got to love it. Cost of business goes up and mowing prices go down. :hammerhead:

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 10:43 AM
Dana, kudos for the attempt with the conversation. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we will find that those who believed the President as he toured the country crying big bad wolf, are going to find we let the fox into the chicken house and he brought his entire extended family with him. The media let him paint a picture of the perfect candidate, hiding or ignoring anything negative and playing up every mistake the opposition happened to make. You had to do the You Tube thing to see most of what I considered his "best" side. Like being to ignorant to even hear himself talk about being sorry he only managed to tour 58 states, and things of that nature. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but all of that means to me that we have the greatest puppet of big business and corrupt politics to ever attempt to take over our country. We are going to bail out those who have run our economy into the ground while making SEVEN figure salaries.

You want a stimulus plan that makes sense and puts people back to work. Offer tax breaks or tax amnesty to every small business (lets say any entity that grosses less than 1.5million last year) that showed a profit who will INCREASE labor by 25%. I say that showed a profit, because if they didn't show a profit, they aren't in a position to grow this year.


At this point I think it is evident that Obama doesn't care what will truly stimulate the economy. What makes sense and what he is doing are two different things. What he IS doing will prolong and aggrevate the recession. This is a perfect opportunity for him to scare us into a european socialist state. And it is also time for all those rich people to spread there wealth. It is time to reward the losers and punish the winners.

What am I doing to stimulate the economy? To be honest... I am doing nothing. I believe this situation is only going to get worse much how FDR's intervention prolonged the depression. I am hoping for one or two more good years... I just need to pay off another 100k on a property and then I don't give a damn what happens. So I have cut back on all my spending and have been focusing on eliminating this debt.

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 10:46 AM
Yeah, who needs a job, if you have a tax break. The S.S. Tax Break has sailed, and is rumored to have sunk with all hands.

Just like the chance to claim my SS has sailed! Can anybody say Ponzi scheme?

Kiril
03-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Here's hoping it works!

Here's to hoping you keep the pic in your sig and dump the rest of that garbage. :laugh:

Wet_Boots
03-01-2009, 12:18 PM
I'll be happy that the illegal aliens will keep feeding the SS kitty.

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 12:20 PM
I'll be happy that the illegal aliens will keep feeding the SS kitty.

My wife decided to take early SS, I'm thinking the same thing before it is gone.

Wet_Boots
03-01-2009, 12:27 PM
It isn't like the SS money is sitting in a dwindling account. Just be glad Wall Street didn't get their hands on any SS trillions.

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 02:59 PM
It isn't like the SS money is sitting in a dwindling account. Just be glad Wall Street didn't get their hands on any SS trillions.

Yeah, there is no ss account... it is already gone... there is no ss allotment for the future. How is the gov't managing our money any better than Wall Street? SS and medicaid are on track to bankrupt our country when the baby boomers retire. There will be a major financial meltdown... it is just a matter of time. And now with a national debt in the trillions... it should be interesting.

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 03:00 PM
My wife decided to take early SS, I'm thinking the same thing before it is gone.

You can't work and take it though can you?

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 03:07 PM
You can't work and take it though can you?

No, that's the trouble; my contract for selling the biz does not run out until 2012, so it's better for me to work part time and differ the SS until then, then I can work/consult all I want.

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 03:36 PM
No, that's the trouble; my contract for selling the biz does not run out until 2012, so it's better for me to work part time and differ the SS until then, then I can work/consult all I want.

It is kind of funny all the bullshitt laws they have for returning your own money to you. At least you will get it... even though it will probably not be near enough to sustain your lifestyle.

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 03:52 PM
At least you will get it... even though it will probably not be near enough to sustain your lifestyle.

That remains to be seen, however, we have no large bills, everythings paid except normal operating expenses. If I defer SS until I'm 67, I collect around 2K a month, the wife collects $400.00. I'm sticking away my consulting fees and we're living on my business payment, so it can be done. I still like working and plan to continue, though I need a challange.

Wet_Boots
03-01-2009, 03:54 PM
.....I still like working and plan to continue, though I need a challange.Time to make some cactus wine...

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Time to make some cactus wine...

Prolly drink up my product, hmmm, not a bad idea. :drinkup:

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 04:09 PM
That remains to be seen, however, we have no large bills, everythings paid except normal operating expenses. If I defer SS until I'm 67, I collect around 2K a month, the wife collects $400.00. I'm sticking away my consulting fees and we're living on my business payment, so it can be done. I still like working and plan to continue, though I need a challange.

Sound like ss might cover your fuel costs.

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 04:47 PM
Sound like ss might cover your fuel costs.

Better than that, the mo/ho gets 15mpg. It cost us about $400.00 in fuel to come down from WA, I've fueled once since we've been down here, about $70.00 in the last three months.

Lawnworks
03-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Better than that, the mo/ho gets 15mpg. It cost us about $400.00 in fuel to come down from WA, I've fueled once since we've been down here, about $70.00 in the last three months.

15mpg is great... must be the aerodynamics!

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 06:00 PM
Must be the aerodynamics!

Helps, but we don't travel much once we get down here.