Backbone Problems

[heygrassman]

Is anyone else having problems getting to the site? I am ok until I hit the AT&T backbone. It does not appear to be time of day related. Could be 1 am or 1pm it is getting really bad? My ISP stops at #5 from there ATT takes over.

Tracing route to lawnsite.com [216.118.85.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 84 ms 39 ms 59 ms dhcp9590001.columbus.rr.com [24.95.90.1]
2 136 ms 35 ms 25 ms fas0-0.alcroh1-ubr1.columbus.rr.com [24.95.83.19
8]
3 116 ms 45 ms 41 ms srp1-0.clmboh1-rtr2.columbus.rr.com [24.95.81.22
2]
4 41 ms 48 ms 56 ms srp8-0.clmboh1-rtr4.columbus.rr.com [24.95.81.13
0]
5 217 ms 72 ms 45 ms pop2-col-P4-2.atdn.net [64.236.3.241]
6 151 ms 34 ms 50 ms bb2-col-P5-0.atdn.net [66.185.140.73]
7 94 ms 100 ms 94 ms bb2-vie-P6-0.atdn.net [64.236.7.110]
8 214 ms 113 ms 96 ms bb2-nye-P3-0.atdn.net [64.236.7.125]
9 204 ms 95 ms 61 ms bb2-nyc-P5-0.atdn.net [66.185.152.169]
10 195 ms 96 ms 85 ms pop1-nyc-P6-0.atdn.net [66.185.142.230]
11 148 ms 118 ms 133 ms NetAccess.atdn.net [66.185.142.234]
12 107 ms 80 ms 112 ms a9-0-0-8.msfc1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.85]
13 97 ms 127 ms 127 ms fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com [207.99.8.198]
14 126 ms 104 ms 72 ms fa0-0.core1.nac01.site5.com [207.99.79.142]
15 131 ms 74 ms 70 ms 216.118.85.35

Trace complete.

jf

[Administrator]

I have not experienced any slow downs.... but, I have had others tell me they have had similar issues that you are having.

Im guessings its some kind of backbone issue or maybe a router?

I have emailed the host tech.

Thanks

[heygrassman]

Chuck:

Let me know if you need anymore trace routes. This is getting bad on my side. Routine posts are taking 45-60 seconds to go through and pages seem like forever to load. I have a broadband connection that is pretty good, plus I used to work for the company that provides it so I am pretty sure it is not on thier end.

Lemme know I an do traceroutes all day if they would like..

jf

[heygrassman]

Something changed.. it is much better now..

jf

[Administrator]

Thanks for your input!

Since I did not experience this on my end your attention and help was appreciated.

Chuck

[yardboyltd]

What is happening right now? LS was down earlier. Now it's grandma slow.

grassman: you sure do like trace routes, don't ya? niftiest program included on every windows box since minesweeper and the character map.

[heygrassman]

Naaa this is not slow ... if you like to walk a lot.. click a link walk to get a drink, come back click to post get up and go to the bathroom. Help this is UGLY slow...

yea... I am a trace route guy.. worked for & now consult in the internet arena..

Chuck.. AT&T is killing us.. Tech support should be able to open a ticket with them but they are slower than molasses in the winter...look at hop 9-10-11 298 milliseconds is slower than can and string..I may be able to put some pressure on ATT from my end but I doubt it. Last hop is not helping any either that is on VBullitin.com.

Tracing route to lawnsite.com [216.118.85.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 115 ms 73 ms 35 ms dhcp9590001.columbus.rr.com [24.95.90.1]
2 72 ms 47 ms 49 ms fas0-0.alcroh1-ubr1.columbus.rr.com [24.95.83.19
8]
3 138 ms 48 ms 98 ms srp1-0.clmboh1-rtr2.columbus.rr.com [24.95.81.22
2]
4 187 ms 84 ms 63 ms srp8-0.clmboh1-rtr4.columbus.rr.com [24.95.81.13
0]
5 46 ms 45 ms 45 ms pop2-col-P4-2.atdn.net [64.236.3.241]
6 76 ms 54 ms 68 ms bb2-col-P5-0.atdn.net [66.185.140.73]
7 127 ms 72 ms 61 ms bb2-vie-P9-1.atdn.net [66.185.153.146]
8 78 ms 76 ms 93 ms bb2-nye-P3-0.atdn.net [66.185.153.117]
9 <b>298 ms</B> 109 ms 65 ms bb2-nyc-P5-0.atdn.net [66.185.152.169]
10 137 ms 134 ms 83 ms pop1-nyc-P6-0.atdn.net [66.185.142.230]
11 <B>198 ms</B> 116 ms 93 ms NetAccess.atdn.net [66.185.142.234]
12 96 ms 157 ms 120 ms a9-0-0-8.msfc1.oct.nac.net [209.123.11.85]
13 90 ms 126 ms 94 ms fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com [207.99.8.198]
14 80 ms 117 ms 109 ms fa0-0.core1.nac01.site5.com [207.99.79.142]
15 <B>172 ms </B> 109 ms 100 ms 216-118-85-35.site5.com [216.118.85.35]

Trace complete.

[Administrator]

You know a LOT more about ping traces and what the data means!

I thought AT&T was a MAJOR backbone? I wonder how many sites out there rely on them?

Chuck

[Administrator]

Here is what I got back... I still need to be educated on the exact meaning..?

Tracerouting from Iserv Co. (Grand Rapids, MI)

traceroute to 216.118.85.35 (216.118.85.35), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 ge-5-0-0-rsp8-gw1.iserv.net (208.224.0.251) 0.558 ms 0.443 ms 0.643 ms
2 Serial3-4.GW3.DET1.ALTER.NET (157.130.103.9) 7.035 ms 6.985 ms 6.995 ms
3 515.at-6-0-0.XR2.CHI4.ALTER.NET (152.63.69.154) 92.698 ms 140.784 ms 19.285 ms
4 194.at-2-0-0.XR2.CHI2.ALTER.NET (152.63.65.9) 96.688 ms 19.804 ms 19.833 ms
5 0.so-2-1-0.XL2.CHI2.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.133) 20.647 ms 20.097 ms 20.19 ms
6 0.so-1-0-0.TL2.CHI2.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.121) 20.111 ms 20.051 ms 20.087 ms
7 0.so-1-1-0.TL2.NYC9.ALTER.NET (152.63.23.122) 42.04 ms 41.972 ms 44.021 ms
8 0.so-1-0-0.XL2.NYC4.ALTER.NET (152.63.17.26) 42.526 ms 42.255 ms 42.351 ms
9 0.so-7-0-0.XR4.NYC4.ALTER.NET (152.63.18.30) 42.442 ms 42.115 ms 41.983 ms
10 188.ATM7-0.GW7.NYC4.ALTER.NET (152.63.25.109) 195.269 ms 48.119 ms 42.599 ms
11 internap-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.50.86) 57.298 ms 117.578 ms 135.892 ms
12 border11.ge3-0-bbnet2.nyc.pnap.net (209.191.128.145) 34.042 ms 93.307 ms 35.987 ms
13 nac-1.border11.nyc.pnap.net (209.191.130.94) 37.391 ms 36.537 ms 178.285 ms
14 a9-0-1165.msfc1.oct.nac.net (209.123.11.10) 39.05 ms 38.875 ms 38.966 ms
15 fa0-0.core1.pwebtech.com (207.99.8.198) 39.401 ms 41.084 ms 38.755 ms
16 fa0-0.core1.nac01.site5.com (207.99.79.142) 54.551 ms 48.942 ms 40.66 ms
17 216-118-85-35.site5.com (216.118.85.35) 39.793 ms 39.903 ms 40.883 ms

[Administrator]

I did a little quick research...
http://www.useforesite.com/Tracert.shtml

Is this good reading?

Thanks

[heygrassman]

That is not a bad foundation. It is nice becasue it is in laymen's terms for the non-technical. That site does not cover XP. If you are running XP it works just as well.

There are programs like ping plotter and neo trace that work really well for site status monitoring. Ping Plotter is like $12 and it will run trace routes at every 1,5,10,30 sec intervals and more. It gives you a nice graph and places red lines where packet loss exists. Really works well when trying to identify uptime..

jf

[Charles]

The forum is transferring slower lately and couldn't get on at all for awhile last nite

[Administrator]

Last night they did some database work, restarted the machine, ( didnt cycle )....

Chuck

[heygrassman]

I have no reason to believe that this would do anything to help what I am seeing but it was a fleeting thought. Do you archive posts that are old posts there from '99. Might be nice to archive those, keep them searchable but might help a little. Would make backing up easier I suppose... just a thought

Let me know if you need any other trace routes. Tried getting some folks here involved but everyone is up to elbows in gator. I will attempt to persist.

jf

[heygrassman]

soemone fixed something cause we are a rocking again...

[1MajorTom]

Yep, things are back to being fast. :)
Let's hope it stays like this. ;)

[plow kid]

Still slower then hell on my end with a 56k it takes 15-20 seconds to load a page. ~NaTe

[heygrassman]

Nate.. same deal here again... I get half a sandwich in between page clicks. Chuck HELP?!?!?!?