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hotshot4819
02-15-2009, 09:44 PM
Has anyone every used, or have any comments on the Soil Secrets Product?
SoilSecrets.com

JDUtah
02-16-2009, 01:35 AM
One of their reps used to post on this forum. He was pretty set it was the silver bullet. I think it is rather expensive?

Mr. Nice
02-16-2009, 02:29 PM
i hear their secret is in the soil....?

treegal1
02-16-2009, 03:07 PM
yeah me and "madame" got into it for awhile, I think its was funny, farmed humates and blah blah blah...........

hotshot4819
02-16-2009, 03:14 PM
do u have an opinion on the product rather then the sales guy?

treegal1
02-16-2009, 03:24 PM
yes it costs so much and for what, compost?? yes its special compost that has been blessed and has dragon feathers or some such thing.JK

most of the raw materials and organisms are readily available local and very cheap......the investment on your part is the reading....... sorry but that's my .02

treegal1
02-16-2009, 03:27 PM
its like having your own salt pile.........

DUSTYCEDAR
02-16-2009, 05:35 PM
tree some dont understand what you are getting at
be kind and rewind

hotshot4819
02-16-2009, 05:39 PM
Ya, honestly, Im just looking for some facts.
I have used the product, Worked amazing, The price was a bit higher then the other options i looked at.
However, i know how well the product worked.

I dont know a thing about teas, and i also dont have time to make my own, so im looking for my best options.

Turboguy
02-16-2009, 05:42 PM
Here is a little test I did using Soil Secrets. I had about a coffee can of protien crumbles and the compost, I forget the name they call it. I just sort of spread it around on a corner of our front yard at the office. You could not see a lot of difference except when it was ready to be mowed. You can see the difference in growth in the far part of the photo. I did not spread it very evenly which is why the irregular growth.

ICT Bill
02-16-2009, 05:43 PM
yeah me and "madame" got into it for awhile, I think its was funny, farmed humates and blah blah blah...........

I thought we figured out it was GERRY OMG

Hotshot, I think you can tell by the remarks that tree never used the product

i have never heard anyone say a bad thing about the product, I think Mr. Barefoot had some experience with it, maybe he will chime in.

The only comment I have heard is when someone asks how much does it cost per acre, the BOOM sound that you hear is the person hitting the floor fainting in disbelief

DUSTYCEDAR
02-16-2009, 05:44 PM
well look at that

Barefoot James
02-16-2009, 08:46 PM
I think the picture - speaks for itself - by turbo guy.

He said, he just spread out a coffee can of Protein Crumblies and TTP compost. This is not even the actual protocol. As you use a humus carrier called Terra Pro that carries the mycorrhizae plus you add Protein Crumblies for the feeding of the herd in the Terra Pro. Their TTP (Trees That Please) compost is very high-end compost that has great numbers (from several labs) but not the essential part of the protocol.

The protocol is .6 cu feet of Terra Pro + .3 cu ft of Protein Crumblies per 1000 sq ft per year min. So if turbo just spread out an arbitrary coffee can of Protein Crumblies and some TTP compost and got those results - you can imagine what results you might get following the proper protocol.

Come on turbo at least take the testing to the next level - like follow the protocol?? I would think you owe it to your own curiosity that should be stimulated based on those results?

I have used it too and have nothing but respect for the technology and results.


What’s the saying you get what you pay for?

PS I have panises that have been through the coldest weather ever and the only ones blooming right now are the ones treated with Soil Secrets.

Mr. Nice
02-16-2009, 09:10 PM
Keep you friends close and but your enemies closer............OMG!

Barefoot James
02-16-2009, 11:31 PM
I only meant that tongue in cheek due to turbos curiosity about SS on another site - he knows I'm funnin him - but a little poke to find out what it will really do out of a hydroseeder is a good thing.

Turboguy
02-17-2009, 07:25 AM
I have seen some very impressive tests done on Soil Secrets. I guess you could look at it this way. What is better, something that is expensive and works or something that is cheap and doesn't work?

Over the years I have had a lot of people tell me they had some kind of product that was going to amaze me. With most I could not see a difference. I have not played with Soil Secrets a lot but I have seen enough to convince me it is a good product. I would also not be surprised if at some time in the near future I start offering it among my services. It definately won't be a lack of believing in the product that stops me.

Barefoot James
02-17-2009, 10:12 AM
Very well said.

Kiril
02-17-2009, 12:26 PM
I'll say it so TG doesn't have to ..... bagged products are for the birds.

Smallaxe
02-17-2009, 01:39 PM
Bagged products are sometimes all that people have. Cost effective anything is better than nothing. With exceptions of course.

I am pleased to have discovered a resource in my area that eliminates the need for bag of a number of things. Maybe gov't will subsidize well run compost sites in every municipality with some of the graft they got.

Kiril
02-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Maybe gov't will subsidize well run compost sites in every municipality with some of the graft they got.

Now that will be a good use of our tax dollars. :clapping:

Turboguy
02-17-2009, 01:42 PM
Hey, I just came back from the IECA convention in Reno. I was probably the only person traveling that day who had a bag of Buffalo poop in his suitcase. I love bags. It would have been much better than bringing the buffalo poop without the bag.

DUSTYCEDAR
02-17-2009, 04:29 PM
R you a buff stuff smuggler now?

Turboguy
02-17-2009, 05:04 PM
Yep, guess so.

DUSTYCEDAR
02-17-2009, 05:08 PM
i gots the poooooo on me

hotshot4819
02-17-2009, 05:09 PM
i wonder what they would have said if they asked you to open your breifcase, and spotted a big bag full of brown stuff.:dizzy:

Turboguy
02-17-2009, 05:15 PM
I am sure if someone got suspicious of it they may have sniffed it to see if it smelled like something troublesome. I definately would have let them sniff first before I told them what they were sniffing.

hotshot4819
02-17-2009, 05:47 PM
haha, then how does that sh*t smell

Turboguy
02-17-2009, 05:50 PM
Actually it does not have much of a smell but I am sure if someone sniffed it and then found out what they were sniffing they might keep their nose out of things they didn't know.

Barefoot James
02-17-2009, 07:34 PM
Kiril - don't be so quick to judge the Soil Secrets - yes comes in a bag but Michael Meléndrez is for sure up your ally and every bit your peer. This is somebody you should meet - YOU might even learn something.

treegal1
02-17-2009, 08:03 PM
http://www.soilsecrets.com/TTP_Supreme_Composts_Analysis.pdf


I don't see any thing so special about his compost, and I have never seen anything as to what the other products are. I never made it past the cost part...and the trade secrets........

DUSTYCEDAR
02-17-2009, 08:18 PM
I like the secret part

hotshot4819
02-17-2009, 08:54 PM
Treegal. not to seem rude. But for some reason you really have a negative attitude towards the product, and from what i understand you havnt even tried it.
Not everything can be a HOMEMADE product, like from what it sounds you sell. I have read alot of things on this Forum, and some of the things you mention i could even imagine selling to my customers.

I personally maintain multi million dollar homes, and I would much rather have a more expensive product, the some RIVER MuCK as ive heard you selling.

Do i agree there is certain people that cant afford Soil Secrets. Yes, totally. That is another reason i am looking for a Second Choice for the Organic side of my business. I think its wise to have an ELITE option and an ECONOMICAL option.

JDUtah
02-17-2009, 08:58 PM
So people are turned off knowing what it is... maybe I should call my high dollar service "The organic secrete"... the secrete being that it is basically the same thing

Barefoot James
02-17-2009, 09:04 PM
Easy hotshot. tree is our girl and she has her own style, products and opinions. River muck is not her style.

treegal1
02-17-2009, 09:21 PM
eh your write i only deal in slums, we dont sell anything in the millions here.... coastal Florida is a joke. yeah i don't know anything and my yards smell and look like muck fields. no work on Hutchinson island or sailfish point.... Jupiter island is for hobo's

you know this is turning out like any time I deal with anything to do with soilsecrets, high pressure and a bad vibe...........I am out and should have stayed out of this thread..........

hotshot4819
02-17-2009, 09:21 PM
So what your saying, is this organic side of the forum is all about politics.
treegal, is your girl. she has her home brews.
ictbill, is a seller of his own product.. i do like his 123 hydroseed tho
and there are multiple sellers of other products.

The gentleman that comes on with his soil secrets product gets crap because he think it works, But oops its in a BAG so that a no go.

I guess coming here to learn and explore other organic options isnt possible.

treegal1
02-17-2009, 09:24 PM
oh and river muck is one part of the compost I make, and have posted the test results, lets see yours and there's....no you wanted an opinion and I stated mine, no malice to you or any one

treegal1
02-17-2009, 09:27 PM
So what your saying, is this organic side of the forum is all about politics.
treegal, is your girl. she has her home brews.
ictbill, is a seller of his own product.. i do like his 123 hydroseed tho
and there are multiple sellers of other products.

The gentleman that comes on with his soil secrets product gets crap because he think it works, But oops its in a BAG so that a no go.

I guess coming here to learn and explore other organic options isnt possible.

and any ways I am not here for popularity any thing but, I, my agenda is conservation and recycling, don't want to beat anyone down....


maybe i should keep to myself more......

Mr. Nice
02-17-2009, 09:34 PM
value of the homes you care for is no indication of skill or other wise.

river muck???? "O" no he didn't... read the fine print in methods and understanding used?? might learn something new?

Im sure SS make's very fine products...if you can't put together other ways your self?

hay what ever floats your boat, every one of us here is entitled to our opinions and methods used no matter what they are. most important thing is honesty, understanding and consideration from all.

and the occasional taking things with a grain of salt at times:laugh:?

JDUtah
02-17-2009, 09:46 PM
No Tree we appreciate your input.

I like your chosen screenname hotshot.

SS has a good marketing campaign based on a secrete, why a secrete? Perhaps because that is the only way to protect their intellectual property? If people knew their production process everyone would/could make their own product? That is what Tree is suggesting?

It seems you want advice, but only if it is what you want to hear? We value nitty gritty, "slap me in the face when I need it" kind of advice.

I have Eric's e-mail and number if you want to hear how "good" the stuff is. Heck I could even send you 5 'papers' he sent me about SS that turned out to only be sales articles. Like Tree, he couldn't provide me with any real and reliable proof why his product was better while he was hiding behind the secrete...

bottom line... it is fairly evident with an honest investigation of the company that they just sell a controlled compost with targeted microbes... Good product? Sure. Is it worth that much money? Maybe if you are lazy...

I have seen great results similar to those pics with locally produced compost that cost me 1.5 cents per pound...

hotshot4819
02-17-2009, 09:52 PM
By all means i appreciate the advice.
my ears are open.

From the get go of this post i mentioned, that i dont have the time to Create, or make my own Brews, and compost.

SO therfor, a Bagged, or Jugged product is what i need, Something i can order, have in stock and simply apply.

Reason being, I spray 200 plus acres a year, maintain commercial properties and do fallow up fertilizing on many of the homes i have sprayed over the years. There for, i honestly have more on my plate then i should, but yet im still looking for more. I have a unique situation where i can connect with many "green" consumers and want to promote my organic side of the business, so im trying to pinpoint my best direction.

I only backed up the Soil secrets, because ive seen it work, and the only responces i was getting was Overpriced Compost, MAYBE, but it fit in the Situation i needed, What im asking, is there something else available thats comparable.

Mr. Nice
02-17-2009, 09:56 PM
They make many different products correct? comparable to what r u asking?
what other type of product are you looking for?? once thats known other options might come to mind?

hotshot4819
02-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Basicly, it comes down to a couple things, but most of all. Price.

I can easily continue promoting the soil secrets to all potential customers, however i only see the high end ones taking that option,

I am looking for a more economical option, that can still create good results.

i am trying to slowly convert my chemical customers to organic, as i already put down tons of chemical fertilizer with hydroseeding, i would much rather do fallow ups with a more organic approach

treegal1
02-17-2009, 10:21 PM
ok so lets back up, in somersworth,nh there has to be some of the finest compost around, sea something or sea side, any who a google search will turn them up.

some good myco powder is not hard to find.....

worm casts, there is wormpower in your area for great casts.

the tea thing IMO, is a big part of what we do, it adds some OM and nutrients, along with all the herd you want.

some do an extract some brew....... at 200 acres you would need to do 10 acres a day with tea, lets say just to start that you want to put down 25 gallons of tea per acre, thats only 250 gallons of tea per day 3 brewer rollover and a 25 sqft floor space to work with. initial investment lets say 10K$ just to be on the high side for the tea, at the end of the year look back at the oh say 60K that would have been spent on jar tea.......

soy is like 9 $ a 50 lbs bag....

also try fertrell, or ask pasthound about some fert

but for me its compost and tea for the most part, if something is out of balance then i have some other limited tools but, thats 1 in 10.............

and yes it can be done on 300 acres I do it......

Barefoot James
02-17-2009, 11:57 PM
Hot- I said it worked - even gave the procedure. Several others said it works. You know it works - so what else do you need. tree said it is high priced and you start throwing out terms like river muck cause she gave her opinion - obviously she doesn't need it. So then you get all upset at this forum and thread and say you can't learn anything???

Wow - guess hot just got hotter.

Does he could as a half or a whole tree - do we each get a point?? if so thats 2 for me how many you got? :laugh::laugh:

Inside joke their hotshot - enjoy your thread.

treegal1
02-18-2009, 12:10 AM
here or the chem side to?? i think I am at 8-12 for the night............:laugh::laugh:

oh well, be well all and have a safe day in the morning......

Barefoot James
02-18-2009, 12:17 AM
But i'm just starting and some of us don't have them fancy blowers. I bet that guy did'nt take direction from his parents or teachers either -geeesh. What thread is this??? Feel like I'm talking to my own kids.
Dammit Jim - I'm a organics specialist not a babysitter. "Dr McCoy"
Good night Gracie

treegal1
02-18-2009, 12:27 AM
good night George.......

ICT Bill
02-18-2009, 12:35 AM
You guys are a hoot, nice to see it calmed down very quickly
good to better vibes
It is so funny to read this
you should be at our seminar in Manchester NH tomorrow

there are some very interesting announcements this year

You have to admit that the folks over at SS have a great product, you may not be able to fit it into your customer base but hey!!!!

Look at ICT trying to peddle liquid corn gluten meal at less than $10 per 1000 and a nationally advertised pre-m at $1 PER 1000
Yeah its the right choice but how do you possibly compete

You would be pleasantly surprised

Kiril
02-18-2009, 01:33 AM
I am looking for a more economical option, that can still create good results.

Bulk compost.

hotshot4819
02-18-2009, 09:35 AM
Treegirl. You have been a great help so far.
I think the information was slightly taken the wrong way.

I Hydroseed, slightly more then 200 acres a year. however, i dont have that much fallow up acres.

I would say a 1/3 of those acres a year is residential. that i will have as fallow ups.

I expect about between 150-200 residential lots, about 8-12k each. now depends on how many apps a year, that would be the rough amount i would be trying to cover.

I would expect that to grow in a consistant pace every year.

treegal1
02-18-2009, 10:14 AM
so 70 acres a year in follow ups, thats easy to do!!!

10 days @ 7 acres a day, tea one month and maybe some compost or worm casts the next with the 3rd app add some _____ to meet the soils needs. 2 more tea runs, maybe one with a heavy food stock. then the last app some high N compost or composted manure, with some bio char.....

that's just the first thing i could blurt out..........

do you have any soil tests for your area, as a base line for what nutrients are missing??

:laugh::laugh:what is it the hair cut, tree girl and i got carded this morn,,:laugh::laugh::laugh: I love it !!!funny thing that's what i wanted on my plates but tree girl would not fit so it got chopped and has stuck for years now:waving: