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Mini man
02-16-2009, 06:14 PM
I am so sick of the half truths and misinformation I have got from various sources.
I have coming in a couple of weeks a new GMC 550 2WD to tow my pintle hitch trailer with my 304 CCR excavator or The 289C Cat because I have been told it is impossible to tow it legally with a 2500 or 3500 Chev duramax.
I want to get legal but more and more people are telling me a 3500 will pull the weight legal?
WTF.............WTF.........WTF?:canadaflag::hammerhead::dizzy:

Mini man
02-16-2009, 08:26 PM
Sorry.....5500 Topkick not 550

PROCUT1
02-16-2009, 09:01 PM
Why are you looking for opinions?

The manufacturer states what the vehicles towing capacity is. Its just numbers.

Add up the machine and the trailer. Then find a truck that has an allowable weight more than that.

Its not a mystery here dude.

cat320
02-16-2009, 09:16 PM
well big diference from a 3/4 ton to 19K gvw truck.

Mini man
02-16-2009, 09:46 PM
Some supposed Knowledgable people are telling me that with a gooseneck trailer and a dually gmc I can haul an 11000 lb machine legal?
So many opinions of what is legal I guess

salopez
02-16-2009, 10:17 PM
i believe set up right on a gooseneck a 3500 can pull a total wieght of 16500.

cat320
02-17-2009, 09:33 AM
to be honest if you don't have a dump the 5500 would be the way to go. be able to haul and move dirt with a dump . if your looking to just transport and that's all a goosneck will tow a little more than a reg hitch.

Gravel Rat
02-17-2009, 04:12 PM
I don't know what your worrying about I would rather have too much truck than running borderline. No way in h*ll would I run a truck at max capacity all the time.

1) Your putting allot of stress on the truck
2) If you ever get in a accident your done like yesterdays dinner
3) Running a truck at max will ALWAYS cost you more money

Maybe you should get out of the excavation business if you are trying to cut corners already.

I think maybe you should have a few scares pulling a heavy load behind a regular 1 ton. People that cut in front of you and leave you no space and there is nothing you can do because the brakes are maxed right out.

What the manufactures say a truck can handle is far far different from what the truck actually can handle. Maybe in flat lander ville where the 3% grade scares the crap out of people a P/U truck can handle a trailer to what the manufacture rates the truck at. Where I'am ya not a chance you have to be atleast 1000lbs under the tow rating or more. All it takes is one trailer brake to fail decending a hill and your in for a wild ride.

A gooseneck can handle more weight because it puts the load on the truck better but you still lack the braking power. A heavy tounge weight on a P/U truck is the worst because you have so much leverage the front wheels loose traction and you loose the braking capacity because the front tires skid.

Stick with the 5500 you bought and quit worrying about things. If your so borderline making any profit you can't afford to run a 5500 get out of the business.

Anybody in the mini excavation business here that owns a machine bigger than 7000lbs owns a tandem axle dump.

nosparkplugs
02-17-2009, 04:22 PM
I am so sick of the half truths and misinformation I have got from various sources.
I have coming in a couple of weeks a new GMC 550 2WD to tow my pintle hitch trailer with my 304 CCR excavator or The 289C Cat because I have been told it is impossible to tow it legally with a 2500 or 3500 Chev duramax.
I want to get legal but more and more people are telling me a 3500 will pull the weight legal?
WTF.............WTF.........WTF?:canadaflag::hammerhead::dizzy:

Congrats on the new 5500, A 1 ton would have hauled your equipment just fine, and legally gooseneck, pintle or bumper pull. GR is right in that you can never have too much truck, a 5500 will be able to handle the load better, and leaves room for additional weight if needed. To answer your question you really were mislead a 1 ton would have done fine. my 02 Dodge 2500 will tow 13500GTWR legally, but I have a limited margin for error on weight, hell if it rains I could be overweight; consequently I'm sure I have been overweight before. However my expense to operate my 2500 or a 3500 truck is lower than a new 4500/5500 would cost me. I ran a 3500 for a year 1/2, and hated it, so I went back to a 2500, love it. Personally I like the 2500's, and would skip the 1 tons no real gains in towing for the money, and go straight for the 4500 or 5500 for my next truck purchase.

Gravel Rat
02-17-2009, 04:40 PM
Keep the 3/4 ton for running around and use the 5500 for work. In todays market its not worth fooling around because trying to save pennys can cost you thousands. Too many people on the roads nowwadays not paying attention. People leave their brains at home when they get into their car no offence to women but they are the worst.

nosparkplugs
02-17-2009, 04:48 PM
Keep the 3/4 ton for running around and use the 5500 for work. In todays market its not worth fooling around because trying to save pennys can cost you thousands. Too many people on the roads nowwadays not paying attention. People leave their brains at home when they get into their car no offence to women but they are the worst.

I agree I hate the little compact cars that act like were not on the road, like in their own world:hammerhead: Drivers these days are just looking for big money for our insurance companies. Regardless of the fact we could kill them. I surly respect those larger than me on the road

Mini man
02-17-2009, 09:17 PM
Gravel nat...the point of my post is that so many different people are telling me conflicting things including the dealers!
If I interpret things correct then a one ton dually is capable of maybe 17k with a gooseneck, but by the time you deduct the 6k plus or minus weight of the trailer you can only carry 11K
Soooooooooooooooooooo...the 3/4 ton with the bumper pull with a lighter weight trailer you have the same ability with regards to the ctual weight of machine you can carry? make any sence?
Sooooooooooooooooooo all you guys saying you carry more the about 11000 lbs on your one ton dullies with your gooseneck are hauling illegal? no????

tnmtn
02-17-2009, 11:22 PM
as i understand the gcvwr of the 4500-5500 they are rated from the factory to 26,000lbs. the 3500 gm's are also, so this means that the lighter truck can tow more weight. however, it takes one quick trip on the interstate to see many trucks towing much heavier combined weights than this. your 5500 will feel much more at ease towing than your smaller truck ever did. the brakes will be a huge improvement. your fuel milage will suffer. as far as legal i don't believe anyone knows exactly what is and what isn't. diffrent officers will look for diffrent things to get you on. i just try my best to stay legal knowing that if the wrong officer gets me they will always find something.
good luck,

nosparkplugs
02-17-2009, 11:35 PM
The front & rear axles have a DOT rated CGWR, the heavier duty the axles, and the lighter the rest of the truck ie: engine/tranny etc the more weight you can haul. It' really simple mathematics, some known tricks are lighter Aluminum vs heavy steel, trailers, dump bodies or flat/stake beds to increase your GTWR, or payload. GEEZE:dizzy: this IS NOT rock science:waving:.

Gravel Rat
02-18-2009, 05:11 AM
I would rather be flying down the freeway with a 5500 with a 11,000lb excavator than a 3500 with the same. The suspension on a 5500 can handle the weight the truck has the braking power and you have 19.5 rubber designed for carrying a load.

Optimum Lawn
02-19-2009, 11:23 AM
I your so concerned about what is legal or not why do you not go visit your friendly MTO officer/office/scales and sort it out with them...in the end they will decide if your legal or not $$$

You can not rely on anyones info outside of what "you" learn from reading the actual regs. or from what the MTO dude has to say when you get pulled for a inspection.

But as GR says bigger is better when towing....margin of safety is higher.

Enjoy the 550 and rest easier:cool2:

Mini man
02-19-2009, 06:52 PM
Driving to the dealer tomorrow...picking it up.....taking it to be lettered etc. on Sunday and driving it to a septic seminar next weekend.
I am getting it signed and lettered like a moving billboard!!!!!!!!
I will post pics if I can figure it out.
I will be legal....guess thats what counts......now I have to start to payyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!:canadaflag::dizzy:

Mini man
02-19-2009, 06:55 PM
It has an aluminum Dump box so I have to decide to put a teflon liner in the bottom or plywood or something because lots of times there will be pcs of sidewalks etc in it

Junior M
02-19-2009, 06:58 PM
I thought you had a gooseneck? So why a dump body? or did you do one of them hidden hitches?

Mini man
02-19-2009, 07:02 PM
I thought about changing to a gooseneck but the extra 3000 lbs of trailer won't haul any more weight!!!

Junior M
02-19-2009, 07:06 PM
I thought about changing to a gooseneck but the extra 3000 lbs of trailer won't haul any more weight!!!
So your just pulling a 10ton deckover now?

Mini man
02-19-2009, 07:31 PM
I am pulling a 16K trailer ...pintle hitch......total weight I can put on the trailer is about 13K once you subtract the weight of the trailer.....If you read every post about pulling trailers you will come to the conclusion that I can pull 100K easy with a honda Civic or that I am overloaded and illegal with a Tandem and a 14 foot traled with an aluminum fishing boat on it

Junior M
02-19-2009, 07:37 PM
I am pulling a 16K trailer ...pintle hitch......total weight I can put on the trailer is about 13K once you subtract the weight of the trailer.....If you read every post about pulling trailers you will come to the conclusion that I can pull 100K easy with a honda Civic or that I am overloaded and illegal with a Tandem and a 14 foot traled with an aluminum fishing boat on it
:laugh::laugh:

16k trailer? What size axles does it have on it? Just a rare weight, atleast around here...

Mini man
02-19-2009, 07:42 PM
More Mystery for you.
My 14 K trailer is rated for 16K if I up the tires to 3960 lbs each ( which I have done)...apply 15 % of that weight to tow vehicle and it magically becomes a 16K trailer....The best part is that the trailer MNFG is sending me a new placard to prove it!!!!!!!!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMy new rig will haul the new trailer with about 13K on it or if you review every post here I can haul almost any weight with a 1/2 ton and a gooseneck.LOL

Junior M
02-19-2009, 07:45 PM
More Mystery for you.
My 14 K trailer is rated for 16K if I up the tires to 3960 lbs each ( which I have done)...apply 15 % of that weight to tow vehicle and it magically becomes a 16K trailer....The best part is that the trailer MNFG is sending me a new placard to prove it!!!!!!!!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMy new rig will haul the new trailer with about 13K on it or if you review every post here I can haul almost any weight with a 1/2 ton and a gooseneck.LOL
:laugh::laugh: And hook up the gooseneck on the pintle..

Oh, okay, that means I could do that on mine so I am not so close to the overweight margin. If its legal here..

Mini man
02-19-2009, 07:46 PM
Basically any post here is a joke because you got every Jonny Redneck on this site hauling backhoes and dozers with 2500 or 3500 trucks figuring thier legal because they hitch up the MOTHER F###ER 10 ton DUALLY DUALLY GOOSENECK which hauls everything under the sun magically.
Go figure?

Mini man
02-19-2009, 07:48 PM
Just conect the 10 ton Dually trailer to anything under the sun and apparently you are legal....at least according to everyone here.LOL

flairland
02-20-2009, 10:59 AM
Where in ontario do you live mini?

Mini man
02-20-2009, 06:36 PM
Flailand:
I am in Gananoque near Kingston.
Was in your area today @ Sheehans trucks picking up the new rig!:canadaflag:

nosparkplugs
02-20-2009, 08:55 PM
Basically any post here is a joke because you got every Jonny Redneck on this site hauling backhoes and dozers with 2500 or 3500 trucks figuring thier legal because they hitch up the MOTHER F###ER 10 ton DUALLY DUALLY GOOSENECK which hauls everything under the sun magically.
Go figure?

If you would have done some "magical" math yourself GVWR + GTWR; which is equipment plus trailer weight, take that figure, and compare to your trucks CGVWR. That would give you your answer. Instead you throw generalized statements out; which does nothing but show your ignorance. :rolleyes:

Mini man
02-20-2009, 10:58 PM
So show me the magic that makes a 3500 with a gooseneck trailer haul an 11000 lb skidsteer genious

Junior M
02-20-2009, 10:59 PM
Flailand:
I am in Gananoque near Kingston.
Was in your area today @ Sheehans trucks picking up the new rig!:canadaflag:
Any pictures?

Mini man
02-20-2009, 11:00 PM
You appear to be the weight Guru from your posts so belly up and enlighten us

Mini man
02-20-2009, 11:03 PM
Junior:
Getting it lettered up on Sunday then I will post pics!

nosparkplugs
02-20-2009, 11:32 PM
So show me the magic that makes a 3500 with a gooseneck trailer haul an 11000 lb skidsteer genious

A 2009 GMC or GM 3500HD 6.6 Duramax diesel dually crew cab long box 2wd

is rated for GTWR 16,600

towing capacity GTWR 16,600lbs
your Skid Steer 11,000lbs
surplus weight 5,600lbs
average gooseneck 3,000lbs
that leaves still yet 2,4000lbs

http://www.gmc.com/sierra/3500/specsCapabilities.jsp click on towing capacity, scroll down to gooseneck specs
your welcome :)

Mini man
02-20-2009, 11:36 PM
An average gooseneck trailer capable of carrying an 11K skidsteer only weighs 3000 lbs?
Try 8000 lbs plus or minus

Junior M
02-20-2009, 11:37 PM
An average gooseneck trailer capable of carrying an 11K skidsteer only weighs 3000 lbs?
Try 8000 lbs plus or minus
Thats what I was thinking, my 14k 24ft deckover tag trailer weights in excess of 4k..

Mini man
02-20-2009, 11:38 PM
Show me a 3000 Lb Gooseneck trailer rated for an 11k Skidsteer

Mini man
02-20-2009, 11:43 PM
Come on Guru....Are your Dually Dually trailers made of aircraft grade aluminum or paper machet?

nosparkplugs
02-20-2009, 11:44 PM
An average gooseneck trailer capable of carrying an 11K skidsteer only weighs 3000 lbs?
Try 8000 lbs plus or minus

Sure if you want a gooseneck trailer that heavy yes. Not necessary to transport a 11,000lb skid steer

You were mislead in that a 3500 can tow a 11,000lb skid steer legally that would be the max. of course if you want free reign on trailer weight you did right in purchasing a 4500 or 5500 truck. So calm down *trucewhiteflag*

Junior M
02-20-2009, 11:47 PM
Sure if you want a gooseneck trailer that heavy yes. Not necessary to transport a 11,000lb skid steer

You were mislead in that a 3500 can tow a 11,000lb skid steer legally that would be the max. of course if you want free reign on trailer weight you did right in purchasing a 4500 or 5500 truck. So calm down *trucewhiteflag*
He doesnt want one, thats the only gooseneck heavy enough, what gooseneck that can haul 11k weight 3k? ;)

Mini man
02-20-2009, 11:47 PM
So you backtrack now and admit that under no circumstances a 3500 dually can carry an 11k skidsteer?
So what was the point of your post a ways back being that I was ignorant or whatever?

nosparkplugs
02-21-2009, 12:05 AM
So you backtrack now and admit that under no circumstances a 3500 dually can carry an 11k skidsteer?
So what was the point of your post a ways back being that I was ignorant or whatever?

Stop assuming:nono: I said you can tow 16,600lbs with a GM 3500 dually, your 11,000lb skid steer leaves you 5,500 for a gooseneck trailer. your hell bent on a heavy gooseneck trailer 8,000lb plus:laugh: so for you it would not work:nono: You can find many goosenecks that are not "matchstick" trailers. Depending on the trailer weight it is done legally all the time, the answer is yes in your case.

Mini man
02-21-2009, 12:07 AM
So show me a combo that works?

Fife Lawn&Lane
02-21-2009, 01:56 AM
Mini man just be sure you are up on the changing laws for driving that truck.
with the trailer and something on it you need an A license. trailer empty D
you have to fill out an inspection log and need to have a driving log as well.
even if driving for personal use you have to follow commercial drive regs.

Mini man
02-21-2009, 07:31 AM
Thanks fife

Junior M
02-21-2009, 08:51 AM
Stop assuming:nono: I said you can tow 16,600lbs with a GM 3500 dually, your 11,000lb skid steer leaves you 5,500 for a gooseneck trailer. your hell bent on a heavy gooseneck trailer 8,000lb plus:laugh: so for you it would not work:nono: You can find many goosenecks that are not "matchstick" trailers. Depending on the trailer weight it is done legally all the time, the answer is yes in your case.
You've got to understand that he isnt h#ll bent on having a heavy ass gooseneck, the point is, thats what a common 10ton weights! My 14k 24ft deckover tag weights around 4k, the same set up in a gooseneck would weight around 5,500. No way he can do it with any lighter of a trailer than a 10ton, and a 10ton gooseneck weights around 8,000!

johnnybravo8802
02-22-2009, 08:25 PM
Just get you a CH713 with a 427 Mack and be done with it!!!!Geeeeeeeez, it isn't that hard to figure out:laugh::laugh::laugh: Now that's a real truck:weightlifter::weightlifter:Not for you Gurrrrrrrly Men!!!!!