Earth Moving by the cubic yard.

[J. Peterson Grading]

I have been offered a small earth moving job, it will be a perfect job for my Ashland ground hog.

Its roughly 1300 Cubic yards, move it from one lot to the next (right next door) Shouldn't be to hard to do.

I would normaly do this type of job by the hour, but its for the City and they are putting it out to bid (Select few contractors) so at their request its by the yard.

Question here is..

Whats a good by the yard price? I am going to look at it, figure it hourly. Then break it down from there.

But any advise would be helpful. Its just been a long winter..

J.

[NateV]

Im sure you've thought of this but why dont you just figure what you want for the job and divide it by 1300.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Thats what I am getting at.

But I just want to be more competive with the others in the area.

J.

[P.Services]

how far of a run? next door could mean a 10' haul or a 1000' haul. does it need to be graded or just piled?

[Dirtman2007]

Figure out how many yard it will cary in one pass, then figure out how long a round trip will take. load, haul, dump, return. That should give you a ball park, then I'd add a few% for safety and finish grading.

I like NateV's response better tho.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Its short hauls. Dump and spread. Real simple. I might be able to get some seeding out of it as well.


I am sure the other bidders are going to do it with an excavator, trucks and a dozer.

[Junior M]

Its short hauls. Dump and spread. Real simple. I might be able to get some seeding out of it as well.


I am sure the other bidders are going to do it with an excavator, trucks and a dozer.
1300 yards? How much can your Ashland hold? How far are you moving it? What I am getting at is, is it really feasable with your Ashland, atleast to get it done in a timely manner?

[J. Peterson Grading]

Ok. now its official I shouldn't have asked the question.

I AM A ******!!!!!!!!!!!

J.

[P.Services]

well the going rate for huge jobs is around 1.50-2.00 per yard. i figure you could move 1,300 yards in two 8 hour days easy. i would place my bid at $ 2,500.

i would have it done in one day with two single axle's and my 332.

[stuvecorp]

If you achieve perfect capacity(2.5 yds) every time that would be 520 trips times how long times hourly rate equals scraper paid for.:clapping:

I think Ashland had some extra stuff on their website to show some type of estimate of material moved.

[stuvecorp]

well the going rate for huge jobs is around 1.50-2.00 per yard. i figure you could move 1,300 yards in two 8 hour days easy. i would place my bid at $ 2,500.

i would have it done in one day with two single axle's and my 332.

J would eat your lunch and steak supper your girlfriend would cook if you were bidding against him, depending on the haul distance it could be one long day and collect check.

[P.Services]

what are you thinking for your bid?

i just bid on tearing down a apartment building that started on fire. about a 1/3 of it burnt the rest is standing. they want it knocked down and hauled away. its a big one, three stories tall about 80'x150'. that a tricky bid.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Thats right!! Stuve, You were the other bidder. lol

I was thinking in the $2.00 per yard range. Worst case I will use my trucks and a loader.


J.

[P.Services]

J would eat your lunch and steak supper your girlfriend would cook if you were bidding against him, depending on the haul distance it could be one long day and collect check.

bull, i can move move dirt faster with two trucks and a ctl then one ctl and a toy scraper can. i would bet on that. i can load my kodiak in six bucket fulls in under two minutes.

thats 11 yards in the truck and gone every two minutes, he cant beat that

[J. Peterson Grading]

I just like being able to compete with the guys with big stuff.

Plus having the city contact me yet again is sign of good workman ship.

J.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Toy scraper? Bite me!!! You wanted to make one. Remember?

Plus I have 4 trucks, I can load and haul with them all day. But then I have to have a loader and a knock down machine, and drivers for the trucks.

I am going with the one machine approach.

J.

[bobcatexc]

bull, i can move move dirt faster with two trucks and a ctl then one ctl and a toy scraper can. i would bet on that.

3 GUYS vs. 1 GUY plus the cost of 2 trucks???:confused::confused:

You might be right Picasso, I don't know how well the Ashland works, plus if the 1,300 is spread out at say 1' cut it's going to take you longer to scratch up the dirt and load where the Ashland could keep skimming across the lot.

[P.Services]

oh im just joking with the toy scraper, dont get all pissy. i was just trying to help you look at it from a different perspective.

[Dirtman2007]

bull, i can move move dirt faster with two trucks and a ctl then one ctl and a toy scraper can. i would bet on that. i can load my kodiak in six bucket fulls in under two minutes.

thats 11 yards in the truck and gone every two minutes, he cant beat that

heck boys

I could just use the volvo, bring my buddies old mack tri axle dump truck, haul 30 tons with each load, knock it down with the takkie. Be done a little after lunch.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Start tracking up this way!! Don't be affraid of the white stuff, it ends up as mud at some point.

J.

[Construct'O]

Thats right!! Stuve, You were the other bidder. lol

I was thinking in the $2.00 per yard range. Worst case I will use my trucks and a loader.


J.

That price per yards sounds,pretty close to what my thoughts would be.Something here to think about lots of times it's not good to use even number for a bid.Fuel prices are at least down,so that will help.

I like to use an odd number either higher or lower.Just my thought of bids in the pass.I'm sure the other guys will be thinking the same if they are experienced bidders.

I like your thought of having a back up plan,if you get the job use the scraper to get a feel what you can get done for a few hours and then decide how to handle the rest of the job.Always good to have a backup plan:dancing: Good luck:usflag:

[treemover]

I would say $2 or maybe closer to $1.50 if you really want the job. I bid some pond jobs at $1.75 (2500-3K yards) and lost them this winter.

Good luck

[Dirtman2007]

Start tracking up this way!! Don't be affraid of the white stuff, it ends up as mud at some point.

J.

I've got 1/2 mile of swamp to clean up first, then 3 BMP ponds to dredge/ repair. If I don't have anything after that, I'd be happy to swing some dry dirt for a day!:laugh:

[J. Peterson Grading]

I don't need to lowball. Keep it even with the others..

J.

[Scag48]

I don't need to lowball. Keep it even with the others..

J.

Amen, gotta appreciate someone who understands that concept. In the long run, lowballing screws everyone, not just yourself.

[stuvecorp]

bull, i can move move dirt faster with two trucks and a ctl then one ctl and a toy scraper can. i would bet on that. i can load my kodiak in six bucket fulls in under two minutes.

thats 11 yards in the truck and gone every two minutes, he cant beat that

I didn't know your Deere had a 1.75 bucket? How do you get 11 yards on a single axle?:)

I'm with J on the one machine deal. How bad is the haul distance? I don't think 2500 is a bad number. In this environment I wouldn't be surprised with someone doing it for less than 1500 but you can imagine what kind of mess it would be.

[minimax]

I would put a subsoiler on your tractor and rip every thing first.It will speed up your cycle time per trip with the scraper.
Minimax

[P.Services]

I didn't know your Deere had a 1.75 bucket? How do you get 11 yards on a single axle?:)


im gona guess and say you have never seen the pictures of the bucket i have on it. it a bucket off a cat wheel loader and yes, it hold more like two yards in it. no joke and im not bs you. its 84'' wide 36'' tall and 36'' deep. then i HEAP it in the bucket.

its more like five scoops and the truck is full.

i make the truck haul about 12 yards actully. its 10' lond 7' wide 5' high (has 10'' side boards also) so whats the math work out to on that? close to 12. its loaded down heavy as shat and i would NEVER drive on a public road like that.

[ksss]

I would put a subsoiler on your tractor and rip every thing first.It will speed up your cycle time per trip with the scraper.
Minimax


Good point on the ripper minimax. I don't know how well the Ashland works either, ground conditions will also important. I would bid it to use the Ashland. If you were stacked up for work I may just try knock it out, if thats not that case I would use the Ashland. Sounds like a great job to figure out the attachment on. If you bid and get it at 2500, even if it takes a day and half, thats decent money. I really wish you would get a full size dump truck Mr. Peterson. Running a fleet of those small trucks is costing you money, perhaps more than you realize. By running the attachment you have no trucking costs just one operator and the equipment runtime costs. Then you can give us a honest report of how efficient that attachment is.

[J. Peterson Grading]

I plan on ripping it first with my sub soiler.

I would like to get a ful size truck, Believe me. But I don't want the headache of owning one. My trucks have to be able to do everything in all seasons. I need to be able to haul material all year, and plow with them in the winter. I wouldn't be able to use a tandem in the winter. Plus there are at least 10 dumptruck companies in my town. And I couldn't keep one busy doing just my work. My little ones never sit.

J.

[J. Peterson Grading]

I am going to look at the project in the morning. So once I see it i will have a better idea of what its going to take.

J.

[wanabe]

I dont know if i would subsoil or rip it first. I have pulled a pan before and loose dirt was very hard to load. You want a the soil solid and to push a shaft of dirt up in the pan and make it boil. Loose dirt will result in smaller loads!

[ksss]

I dont know if i would subsoil or rip it first. I have pulled a pan before and loose dirt was very hard to load. You want a the soil solid and to push a shaft of dirt up in the pan and make it boil. Loose dirt will result in smaller loads!

Thats true. I would think, I assume, wet dirt conditions should help that. A ripper with at least a foot between shanks should help loading without pushing the material in front of the pan.

[Scag48]

Ripping really depends on soil conditions. If it's soft, don't rip, you'll be wasting your time and only making getting traction worse. Yes, you can over rip if running a scraper/pan setup to the point where getting sufficient traction might be an issue if you don't have the means of being pushed by a dozer to assist filling the pan.

It's a case by case basis, I'm sure Peterson will get it all figured out.

[John K]

That Ashland unit looks pretty neat.

How many yards does it hold? What's the top speed of the unit when pulling it? What if the soil has rock? Just curious..:)

[Votum Gardens LLC]

Having never used a skid mounted scraper before, I'm not sure if ripping would apply the same way. I can tell you this when we dug our pond at the farm/shop we had a heck of a time with a Case IH STX-450 Quad Trac pulling a pair of Reynolds 15 cu yard pans after we ripped on 30" centers. We could only get 1/2 to 3/4 of a full pan.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Its a loader/truck or a large dozer job. I am going to start a new thread with pics.

J.

[P.Services]

Its a loader/truck or a large dozer job. I am going to start a new thread with pics.

J.

ohhh really........