Heres the CY job

[J. Peterson Grading]

Its a long pile of frozen baby shite!!!

This is the future home of the local fire department. While running the sanitary sewer. The pipe contractor ran into unsuitable site fill and ended up backfilling thier trench with quary sand. Which the city had to pay for. So the left over (Unsuitable) material was piled off to the side and allowed to freeze.

The pipe contractor was asked (Change order) to move the pile, but wanted to much to do it. So the City put it out to bid.

The pile is just a long pile of the worst material our area has to offer. Just pure Diaper Fill. ConstrustO knows what I am talking about. Baby Sh!t.

The City wants it dumped and spread out in a neighboring lot roughly 100 yards away.

I am thinking that if I use the Ashland I wont be able to get on top the pile to cut through the frost. I am looking more at renting a bigger excavator and loading it out. I will spread it out with my PT80.

J.

[KrayzKajun]

looks like funn

[Junior M]

Definetly a long way to track with 2.5yards, isnt that what the Ashland holds?

[Dirt Digger2]

seems like a perfect job for a 953

[J. Peterson Grading]

Did you read the post, Its frozen, and the ashland wont be able to cut through the frost.

Its a top loading job.

J.

[Junior M]

Did you read the post, Its frozen, and the ashland wont be able to cut through the frost.

Its a top loading job.

J.
Yes, I read it, thats wh........ never mind...... Just forget it...

[J. Peterson Grading]

953 is what I was thinking as well.

[Dirtman2007]

953 is what I was thinking as well.

Two TL150's:weightlifter: would get er dun.

The dirt looks good to me, atleast it stays in a pile:laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

And ADT and a 200 sized excavator will knock it off in 6 hours.

[Dirt Digger2]

why bring in more equipment then you need Ron?...a 953 can grab the material, transport, spread, and level all on its own...1 operator instead of 3 for the hoe, truck, and a dozer to spread

thats not that much dirt...a 53 will knock it out easily in a day


infact i'll tell you what...buy me a round trip ticket and put me up for the night and I will do the job for ya...always wanted to see Iowa

[Construct'O]

Not sure i have all the fact right.So will guess on part of it.Hopefully this will just be waste dirt and you don't have to use it to level(build) for the fire station you mentioned.Just spread it out and blend it into the sloping ground on the far side of the spoil pile.

Since i'm a dozer guy,and own one i would have my D6R pushing it where it need to go.Start at the closest end to the fill ,corner the dozer into the pile and head for the fill.Working my way back to farthest end of the pile,taking a section at a time.(or loader)

Using your ASV with the bucket on it to clean up what runs around the end of the blade.After you get things opened up it might not be as bad as it looks.Don't know until you get started.

It's froze and if not froze it will be slopy when start to thaw out.Plus there calling for some rain turning to snow again in your area.So if it is thawing the trucks aren't going to want to go the best,unless you can scrape off the mud if it thaw to make a good haul road.

Unless you get a fast go ahead and win the bid is the next guestion? You need to get it done the sooner the better.Or later like summer.Don't know the time table the town is wanting.Would help!

Also make a difference how i would bid it.Now higher, later cheaper?

Sewer guy probably quoted 10K so you probably got wiggle room on your first bid thought.Plus isn't natural ground to work with now will be mud or frozen.Big chunk don't level the easiest.

Have Cris try running up over the chunk the the size of the snow chunk(in the Volvo loader) you posted,that what some of those dirt chunk will look like it it hasn't thawed any.See how the Tak(tank) handles them:laugh:

Loader(953) is fine also.Which every one is the easiest to get a hold of.Or try using what you got to see how bad it is under the frost(froze).Mini to break up the frost and the ASV to load the trucks if the ground stay froze.Lot's of if aren't there.:rolleyes:

First thing is you have to win the bid:confused:

Good luck what ever happens.:usflag:

[wanabe]

Rent a 953 track loader and hire 2 tandems! Easy day!

[P.Services]

you guys and your track loaders :dizzy::dizzy: ive ran a fair amount of the old monsters and i remember them to tack as slow as molasses pours out of a steel pail in a Alaskan winter.


a wheel loader yeah, it can travel fast.

a ctl and two dumps like i said would also work great, that would be the fastest way while still using small easy to transport equipment.

[Construct'O]

why bring in more equipment then you need Ron?...a 953 can grab the material, transport, spread, and level all on its own...1 operator instead of 3 for the hoe, truck, and a dozer to spread

thats not that much dirt...a 53 will knock it out easily in a day


infact i'll tell you what...buy me a round trip ticket and put me up for the night and I will do the job for ya...always wanted to see Iowa

Wait a while until spring gets closer and i will send you a one way ticket to come:).Just in case?:):usflag:

[P.Services]

Wait a while until spring gets closer and i will send you a one way ticket to come:).Just in case?:):usflag:

im confused, help me out.

i dont know what im coming down for but i will bring the 332 just in case. yours and mine and we can move that pile of shat.

[DUSTYCEDAR]

with all the guys out of work just go to the depot get some of them orange buckets and shovels and put them to work

[Junior M]

with all the guys out of work just go to the depot get some of them orange buckets and shovels and put them to work
We'll just bring in KSSS's 465(I think thats it?) and get the same amount of work done as all of us with buckets and shovels! :laugh: :laugh: We could bring in Mrsops stuff, but they are trailer queens, cant do much with them, "Oh, you might scratch it!" :laugh: :laugh:

Oh, and dont even get me started on Picasso's Deere!

[Construct'O]

im confused, help me out.

i dont know what im coming down for but i will bring the 332 just in case. yours and mine and we can move that pile of shat.

I was posting back to Dirtdiggers post,you got in between.:laugh:

As Far as wheel loader on frozon ground ,can you spell JOKE!!!!!! All you would get done is spinn,paw,and try to dig :dizzy:

I say the guy that's going to be winning this bid will be the sollow guy with his trackloader or dozer:weightlifter: ,with his winning low bid:cool2::waving::usflag:

[Canon Landscaping]

A rubber track loader is useless on frozen ground I vote for the D6.

[P.Services]

i would haul mine in to help but its either stuck or rolled over on its side. :cool2:

[Junior M]

I was posting back to Dirtdiggers post,you got in between.:laugh:

As Far as wheel loader on frozon ground ,can you spell JOKE!!!!!! All you would get done is spinn,paw,and try to dig :dizzy:

I say the guy that's going to be winning this bid will be the sollow guy with his trackloader or dozer:weightlifter: ,with his winning low bid:cool2::waving::usflag:
I have an idear who that solo guy with a D6R will be.. *cough* *cough*

:rolleyes: :laugh:

[P.Services]

A rubber track loader is useless on frozen ground I vote for the D6.

some times stuff like that makes me question if you guys actully have run machines or just talk about them on lawnsite all day. frozen ground is the ABSOLUTE BEST for my 332, now snow on the ground is A BIG NO.

[J. Peterson Grading]

Job has to be done by 3/2 so a thaw is totally out of the question. What is going to happen is the weather is going to get bad between now and next week. And the forecast next week isn't looking good as well.

I like all you guys helping out, but renting an ADT, large excagator at the same time isn't going to make me any money.

I like the dozer idea, and feel this is the best way to go. But with the ground the way it is, the tracks are going to just grind and slide on the frost. That isn't going to be produductive at all.

I am looking at the bidding for this job from not only my perspective but the other bidder as well. I used to work for them before I went on my own, and I kinda know what they are going to do in this situation.

1. Show up with either a 6 or an 8 and push for a day.
2. Show up with a 312, D5, and a couple private tandems.
3. Come out with the 312, D5 and a 740 ADT. But only if the conditions are real bad.
4. Not bid it at all. But they will

I don't see them pushing it due to the frost in the ground. I see them going with option #2. Its what they always do. I see them doing it in a day. Its how long it would have taken when I worked for them, with me loading.

I can use the Ashland due to the frost, and below the frost mud. I wont be able to load with out sinking.

I Have talked to a friend who is a large pipe contractor in the area, and I can rent his idle equipment for less than I can through a dealer so thats going to be a good option. Only thing there is, his name is all over his equipment and I want to advertise for me, not him.

If the ground conditions are bad (Where trucks wont run) I am looking at using his 6N, or his 963C. If ground conditions are good I am going to do it with my stuff.

I am also thinking about running at night, that way the ground surface is frozen and we will be able to get around better. We used to do that when we would strip rock quarrys.

Its going to come down to whether we get the job or not. I am going to bid the thing, and hope for the best. No more over thinking it.

J.

[Dirt Digger2]

if i wasn't going to work for a huge outfit this summer as my new career Construct'O I would take you up on that offer....but I will be doing a road trip across country right after I graduate..maybe I can stop in and show you some east coast operating style..."run it till its broke"

[Construct'O]

if i wasn't going to work for a huge outfit this summer as my new career Construct'O I would take you up on that offer....but I will be doing a road trip across country right after I graduate..maybe I can stop in and show you some east coast operating style..."run it till its broke"

Broke !!!!!!!! Do you mean equipment or me:confused::laugh::waving:

[Gravel Rat]

I don't know how you guys can suggest a fullsize trackloader to scoop and cart the material away. A excavator and two trucks would be the quickest and why do you need a bulldozer to spread it. The material is going to be clumpy so your not going to spread it worth a d*mn so use the excavator to rough spread it and use a CTL to clean it up.

It is hard to tell by the pictures but there really isn't a whole lot of material there to move.

A ADT may move more material but that is expensive a couple tandem axle dumps you can load them till they are right full and go dump it.

If the material is too frozen to dig the city or who ever wants the material moved will have to wait till it thaws out.

Show up with a couple tandems and a excavator job done I don't know what your guys fancination using a bulldozer to spread material if your good with a excavator you can spread material quickly.

[wanabe]

After pouring 3-4 basements a week for 2 years I know that a 953 will load dirt off of a pile into a tandem faster and cleaner than a 320 cat. 953 with a 3 yard bucket can load tandems fast and can grade out the piles the tandem dumps cleaner and better than a hoe. 953's still have their place. For digging no, but for loading piles they work great!

[stuvecorp]

I would say the excavator and some dumps but I would run at night to use the frost and then knock down the piles with your skid.

[ksss]

I think this horse is dead and kicked, but I will throw a couple thoughts out.

I am no stranger to cold weather dirt moving, cant live here and not learn it. Wheel loader would work just fine on that pile. Once you move enough material for the wheel loader to sit where the dirt was piled, its no long frozen. No big deal.

If this was my project, I would crawl an excavator (160) to the top of the pile, level the top, consolidate the frost chunks and make a seperate pile at the dumpsite with frost. For me this is an excavator job, only because I don't own a 3-4 yard wheel loader.

If I was Mr. Peterson It would come down to several things. What pieces of equipment can I get for the least amount of money. If he has access to a wheel loader I would use that to load with, or an excavator. If he is hiring trucks than you need to keep the trucks moving. Either excavator or wheel loader. We can talk sizes but it comes down to what is cheapest to come by. The bummer as I as it, is without owning anything that can help except the ASV, it likely will not be a big money maker. Unless some deals can be made on equipment rentals.

However, there are other things at stake. This job is for the City. So you not only need to get the job done but you need to look good doing it. You want these opportunities to continue. So I might take a smaller margin, knock this with authority, and keep your name on the short call list. I have used this strategy many times. You could in theory load your own trucks with the ASV but it will take a while, and you may be considered too small for such jobs in the future, goes towards that looking good and getting it done with authority thing. Its early Spring down there, if its like here, things are going to go cheap. It may be tough to compete with larger operations if they really want to get a guy or two off unemployment for a couple days. However, put a good number on it, even if you don't get it, you will get called to bid on the next project. Thats what its all about.

Good luck Mr. Pete.

[Construct'O]

J....... I like your idea of working around the clock.Get"R"Done:usflag:

[J. Peterson Grading]

First, I have alot more than just 1 ASV. Second, I come from mass excavation, I know how to move dirt, And I used to do it well. Pricing by the yard is a different story.
Thats why I was asking for help.

I also don't have any problems renting "Needed equipment" Its when there is only one job to use it on is where I have a problem. I have a few things coming up where I am going to get a 12 to 15 ton excavator, but those jobs are going to happen when the weather gets a bit more consistant. If these jobs were all close together, I would use the bigger machine on this project.

I am not going to let "My size" stop me from bidding this job. I have done jobs for the city in the past, and we always get called for more. They call, we get it done. They know what we have and what I can offer.

Is this a job thats to big? maybe. Can I do it? yes. Is it going to be done efficiently? Most likely no. But they asked me to bid this, and might accept my bid. It will be my job to make it happen. Or look at it as a stepping stone or gateway job. Maybe this could be a way from doing yard/commercial repair work to doing site work.

It Could happen.

J.

[ksss]

First, I have alot more than just 1 ASV. Second, I come from mass excavation, I know how to move dirt, And I used to do it well. Pricing by the yard is a different story.
Thats why I was asking for help.

I also don't have any problems renting "Needed equipment" Its when there is only one job to use it on is where I have a problem. I have a few things coming up where I am going to get a 12 to 15 ton excavator, but those jobs are going to happen when the weather gets a bit more consistant. If these jobs were all close together, I would use the bigger machine on this project.

I am not going to let "My size" stop me from bidding this job. I have done jobs for the city in the past, and we always get called for more. They call, we get it done. They know what we have and what I can offer.

Is this a job thats to big? maybe. Can I do it? yes. Is it going to be done efficiently? Most likely no. But they asked me to bid this, and might accept my bid. It will be my job to make it happen. Or look at it as a stepping stone or gateway job. Maybe this could be a way from doing yard/commercial repair work to doing site work.

It Could happen.

J.

I am not challenging your ability to do the job, far from it. I know you have more than an ASV, my comment was as it pertains to this job. Only saying you don't have a larger excavator or larger loader which would be helpful on this job. Let us know what your price per yard was and what price won the job, it would be interesting to know. Good luck on your number.

[Construct'O]

No doubt in my mine you can do the job.Hopefully you will be able to get the job and the weather will break here.Frost here was almost out and what wasn't was rotten.Still a little ice on the ponds not all them so it was getting out.We had snow cover there ,so helped when the cold spell moved back in.

Anyway I which i had taking some picture the other day when they was trying to back fill around new footings for a rural water tower they are putting up.This was done when the sub zero weather was here.

The spoil pile was like the ones you showed .They had excavator and skidsteer to use to back fill.They ripped the spoil pile apart ,yes there was some dirt that was not completely a solid chunk.They got enough to backfill(about half enough usable),there wasn't any inspector on the job during backfill except me:) driving by.

Yes there was some chunk going in ,but they was trying,not to use anymore then had too( i will give them that much credit).

Half went in the other half is re-piled in a new pile. The frost chunks was half the size of a pickup.Good three to four foot around.

I'm going to sound like GR a little ....... you needed a jack hammer to break then up into small piece.So they will set to thaw when spring get here when every that happens.

The dirt here is clay not sandy(rocky) with potato size rocks in it( for KSSS) every place is different i know that ,but here is here.

So that is why there usually isn't much going on during the winter months and what does takes long ,harder on equipment and is expense to perform.So unless your really desperate( paying penaltys) things set.No use taking it in the short when you don't have too.

I understand what your wanting to accomplish so again good luck first with you bid because without the winning bid this all mean nothing:usflag:

[J. Peterson Grading]

We didn't get it. I bid it at $3.35 Cy and I was beat out at $1.90 Cy. I am guessing its going to be done with a dozer. I would have done it the same way if I had a one.

Maybe next time.

J.

[Gravel Rat]

I don't know how many total yards was there but for 1.90 a yard somebody has to be desparate for work. Good luck to them even pushing that with a dozer would take a long time especially if its frozen.