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Armadillolawncare
02-22-2009, 09:13 PM
My neighbor came and asked for some help repairing some irrigation issues. Here are some pics of the t intersection that snapped right where the SDR 21 pipe enters the schedule 40 T. This is my first repair of a t intersection. Can you guys tell me if I did this right or is their an easier way?

Armadillolawncare
02-22-2009, 09:15 PM
Next we cut out the T

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 09:17 PM
Then you glued on three couplers.........

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 09:18 PM
I just see mud:confused:

What did you do for the repair, I don't see any couplers or slip fixes and the pipe looks straight. And how did you do it with all that mud :)


Edit.. I see your still making your post.. I'll wait.

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 09:19 PM
Maybe he's watching the race

Armadillolawncare
02-22-2009, 09:19 PM
Then we solvent welded the middle pipe, then one side pipe. Finally we lifted the t and the remaining pipe until they were high enough that we could slide them together. Let glue dry and then slowly turned on water. Some things that sirprised me was seeing how brittle and easy to crach and shatter the SDR 21 pipe was. I had to saw it instead of cutting so it wouldn't just shatter. Since his whole system appears to be installed using this I predict many more broken or cracked pipes.

Armadillolawncare
02-22-2009, 09:23 PM
Crap I see spelling errors I should have caught. Posting on here is like being back in high school english class.

hoskm01
02-22-2009, 09:24 PM
Fine repair. Maybe just the pic angle, but the pipe looks stressed and not straight.

Wet_Boots
02-22-2009, 09:27 PM
One Kwik-Repair tee could have done the job.

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 09:28 PM
I'm not sirprised. Better to stuff the pipe in than to have it barely fit.

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 09:29 PM
I Think it's a decent job with how much room you used with out any slip fixes. If you excavated a little wider all around for more play you wouldn't have as much stress on the pipes.

I hope it wasn't a main line, did you use any other glue other then the primer?

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 09:30 PM
One Kwik-Repair tee could have done the job.

we just started using those occasionally which I love!

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-22-2009, 09:35 PM
Well Army... my experience with three coupling repairs on tees is that one or two joints did not get fully inserted. Since you needed to bow the pipe to get the last joint together you probably scraped excess pvc off a joint or two. If it is mainline I would have used several ells to relieve stress and make for a cleaner repair. If section line you are probably okay with what you got but a slip fix would have made it a lot easier. Gotta do it to learn thou. Kudos on that.

hoskm01
02-22-2009, 10:02 PM
Claiming to be a bewbie at repairs, Im surprised there is not more primer dripped all over the pipe. Good work.

A T reapir on 2" lateral with misaligned pipes. A bit of drippage there for me in the water.:nono:



http://www.lawnlogistics.com/Storage/IMG_2950.jpg


http://www.lawnlogistics.com/Storage/IMG_2956.jpg

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 10:05 PM
Wow. Like new. (guessing it is.)

Kiril
02-22-2009, 10:07 PM
Well Army... my experience with three coupling repairs on tees is that one or two joints did not get fully inserted. Since you needed to bow the pipe to get the last joint together you probably scraped excess pvc off a joint or two. If it is mainline I would have used several ells to relieve stress and make for a cleaner repair. If section line you are probably okay with what you got but a slip fix would have made it a lot easier. Gotta do it to learn thou. Kudos on that.

Yup, I agree. The leg of the "T" got cut short, for no really good reason.

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 10:18 PM
Claiming to be a bewbie at repairs, Im surprised there is not more primer dripped all over the pipe. Good work.

A T reapir on 2" lateral with misaligned pipes. A bit of drippage there for me in the water.:nono:


I like to keep it clean as much as the next guy. But If you have a bit of extra glue who cares. as long as that 1/4 -1/2" turn was done when the slip was pushed in I'm fine.

thats an interesting rebuild. everyone does it differently though. as long as it works! :)

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 10:21 PM
Yeah. Control your application of cement. But if it's to much, might be better than not enough.

Armadillolawncare
02-22-2009, 10:33 PM
Anyone got some pics of a t repair using els that I can see? I knew I'd be posting the pics so I made sure to try not to get primer all over. I didn't want to give you guys any more ammo. I've seen you guys give others heck for primer everywhere, non potable pipes comes to mind.
This is a lateral line not a main so I hope the joint will hold. We did have a bit of trouble getting the measurements right. First attempt we measured, cut and then dry fit the pipes. As soon as we put primer and glue on the pipes would slide in further then we could push them while dry fitting. What is the trick to measuring this?

Kiril
02-22-2009, 10:36 PM
What is the trick to measuring this?

knowing the socket depth of the fitting and where to "hold" it in order to measure your span.

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 10:42 PM
Claiming to be a bewbie at repairs, Im surprised there is not more primer dripped all over the pipe. Good work.

A T reapir on 2" lateral with misaligned pipes. A bit of drippage there for me in the water.:nono:



http://www.lawnlogistics.com/Storage/IMG_2950.jpg


http://www.lawnlogistics.com/Storage/IMG_2956.jpg

BTW. Love the bell end scrap being used.

Kiril
02-22-2009, 10:48 PM
Here ya go armo. Lines suck but you get the idea.

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 10:56 PM
by no means am I bashing on hosk.
This is the way I would have gone for it.

3 90's and a coupler- extend out the Tee.

or 2 45's, one 90 and a coupler- extending out the tee

Kiril
02-22-2009, 11:02 PM
by no means am I bashing on hosk.
This is the way I would have gone for it.

3 90's and a coupler- extend out the Tee.

or 2 45's, one 90 and a coupler- extending out the tee

Or you could elbow down to a tee, then elbow back up to the two laterals.

hoskm01
02-22-2009, 11:04 PM
by no means am I bashing on hosk.
This is the way I would have gone for it.

3 90's and a coupler- extend out the Tee.

or 2 45's, one 90 and a coupler- extending out the tee
run going left and run coming at the camera, into the T, are not perpendicular. (neither is the run going right, but thats obvious.) Hence, a 90deg angle was not an option.

Kind of a 3 dimensional fix. Nothing is perpendicular, parallel, on the same slope etc.

2 of 3 runs on this are on the same plane, the run coming at the camera, into the T, is at, maybe a 10 degree slope down, 2 inches under the other two runs.

The bell end is a .75 cent coupler that I didnt have to buy, and just as reliable, if not moreso.

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 11:13 PM
Not a good design to begin with. Thats just ridiculus.

hoskm01
02-22-2009, 11:16 PM
Not a good design to begin with. Thats just ridiculus.
It certainly made me say WTF when I dug it up.

mitchgo
02-22-2009, 11:17 PM
Oh I bet it did!

Armadillolawncare
02-22-2009, 11:19 PM
I would have never thought of that Kiril. Thanks. What are your thoughts on using the 3/4 and 1 inch SDR from the backflow on out? It just all seemed very brittle and thin, prone to breaking.

Kiril
02-22-2009, 11:20 PM
It certainly made me say WTF when I dug it up.

Definitely .... might even be hall of shame worthy.

Kiril
02-22-2009, 11:21 PM
I would have never thought of that Kiril. Thanks. What are your thoughts on using the 3/4 and 1 inch SDR from the backflow on out? It just all seemed very brittle and thin, prone to breaking.

Dude, I am the wrong person to ask that question. I use SCH 80 for all my constant pressure lines.

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 11:48 PM
SCH 80 for all constant pressure lines..... Not much there? Or you work for people who spend/waste money on things not needed........................

Fahzu
02-22-2009, 11:53 PM
Did that same repair yesterday, the same way. As long as the water flows without leaking, I'm happy. Couldn't use the cutters for fear that the pipe would crack more, so used the little hack saw.

Kiril
02-22-2009, 11:54 PM
SCH 80 for all constant pressure lines..... Not much there? Or you work for people who spend/waste money on things not needed........................

I build things that will last long after I am dead and will take serious abuse without failing.

rlpsystems
02-22-2009, 11:56 PM
Serious abuse...Bring out the GIMP

Waterit
02-22-2009, 11:58 PM
knowing the socket depth of the fitting and where to "hold" it in order to measure your span.

Also known as "experience". It just takes time.

Kiril
02-23-2009, 12:01 AM
Serious abuse...Bring out the GIMP

I use the GIMP ... Open source roxors. :clapping:

Tom Tom
02-23-2009, 09:35 AM
I would have never thought of that Kiril. Thanks. What are your thoughts on using the 3/4 and 1 inch SDR from the backflow on out? It just all seemed very brittle and thin, prone to breaking.

use copper

DanaMac
02-23-2009, 09:36 AM
use copper

Agreed. Better all around, and looks more professional.

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 09:50 AM
Dude, I am the wrong person to ask that question. I use SCH 80 for all my constant pressure lines.

Wow! And I get accused of overkill. :dizzy:

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-23-2009, 09:52 AM
Dude, I am the wrong person to ask that question. I use SCH 80 for all my constant pressure lines.

Sch 80...You got to be kidding me. Drop to sch 40 and buy a remote dude.

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 09:53 AM
Wouldnt it be Overkiril?


Maybe a term to add to the LS dictionary.

Overkiril. Too much Kiril?

Just kiddin buddy, at least you know what a hydrozone is.

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 10:12 AM
Wouldnt it be Overkiril?


Maybe a term to add to the LS dictionary.

Overkiril. Too much Kiril?.

Yah, yah, we get it. :hammerhead:

Kiril
02-23-2009, 10:22 AM
Wow! And I get accused of overkill. :dizzy:

Dude, you ARE overkill king ... and I only use SCH80 on dinky pipe residential. Keep in mind, given the typical lot, your valves are never very far from your source.

Kiril
02-23-2009, 10:24 AM
Sch 80...You got to be kidding me. Drop to sch 40 and buy a remote dude.

lol ... nope not kidding. This ain't TX out here Pete. As noted above, given the lot size this does not translate into much pipe at all, and given the increased durability of SCH80, well worth the cost IMHO.

BTW, typical lot out here would be 80-140' deep x 40-100' wide.

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 10:34 AM
I did bid a Air Force job where the entire system was spec'd sch 80. :dizzy:

Kiril
02-23-2009, 10:40 AM
I did bid a Air Force job where the entire system was spec'd sch 80. :dizzy:

High pressure? Industrial specs?

Junior M
02-23-2009, 10:41 AM
I did bid a Air Force job where the entire system was spec'd sch 80. :dizzy:
Typical of the military, they over do everything...

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 10:44 AM
High pressure? Industrial specs?

Both, I was told as I shook my head. Even more bizarre was the entire system was to be sand back-filled.

Kiril
02-23-2009, 10:46 AM
Both, I was told as I shook my head. Even more bizarre was the entire system was to be sand back-filled.

Sounds like classic military overkill to me. Was the SCH80 also required downstream of the valves?

Junior M
02-23-2009, 10:46 AM
Both, I was told as I shook my head. Even more bizarre was the entire system was to be sand back-filled.
Sand? Why sand? Is it being buried in solid rock? I mean come on, thats a waste of tax payers money imo...

Tom Tom
02-23-2009, 10:51 AM
I did bid a Air Force job where the entire system was spec'd sch 80. :dizzy:

prolly to withstand a direct hit.

The system would still be operational, just no one left to operate it

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 10:54 AM
Sand? Why sand? Is it being buried in solid rock? I mean come on, thats a waste of tax payers money imo...

They gave me two days to review the twenty pages of plans and submit a bid; I passed.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 10:55 AM
They gave me two days to review the twenty pages of plans and submit a bid; I passed.
I would have to, that sounds like it'd be one big pain in the ass job...

Wet_Boots
02-23-2009, 11:03 AM
There's a lot of specs for sand-filled trenches. From the viewpoint of settling, it could make sense.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 11:08 AM
From the viewpoint of settling, it could make sense.

It could since sand is what 50 or 75 percent compaction rating when you place it in the hole.. But the only downside, many grasses dont like to grow in sand, so you'll see your trench for a long time unless you sod it, and then if the trench has any fall to it, sand washes so easy...

WalkGood
02-23-2009, 11:12 AM
If in very sharp rock-filled terrain, sand backfill is correct. If they wanna pay for it, why NOT do it?

Junior M
02-23-2009, 11:19 AM
If in very sharp rock-filled terrain, sand backfill is correct. If they wanna pay for it, why NOT do it?
I am not saying I wouldnt do it, just dont make sense if it isnt rocky, but we dont know if that AF base ML was talkin about is/was rocky.. The customer is always right though...

Kiril
02-23-2009, 11:19 AM
If in very sharp rock-filled terrain, sand backfill is correct.

Yes, I agree.

Kiril
02-23-2009, 11:21 AM
But the only downside, many grasses dont like to grow in sand, so you'll see your trench for a long time unless you sod it, and then if the trench has any fall to it, sand washes so easy...

You don't need or want to backfill to the surface.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 11:31 AM
You don't need or want to backfill to the surface.
Oh, dur.. :hammerhead: I wasnt thinkin..

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 11:40 AM
The base was in WA State, on the west side, known for rocky conditions. I did not question the backfill technique, but jeez, all sch 80?

Wet_Boots
02-23-2009, 11:41 AM
Oh, dur.. :hammerhead: I wasnt thinkin..then you have a wonderful future awaiting in the green industry

Junior M
02-23-2009, 11:42 AM
then you have a wonderful future awaiting in the green industry
This isnt what I plan on doing, I am goin into a whole different industry and I dont know of anybody that brings in dirt or anything like that to backfill..

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 11:57 AM
This isnt what I plan on doing, I am goin into a whole different industry and I dont know of anybody that brings in dirt or anything like that to backfill..

Career change Junior. What are you going to do now?

Junior M
02-23-2009, 11:59 AM
Career change Junior. What are you going to do now?
Its not a career change, I dont think brush cutting, clearing, and pond building/cleaning is in the "green" industry.. ;) Atleast thats what I want to get into when I take the company full time when I graduate, mostly cause no one around here does brush cutting, and pond dredging, but an assload do clearing and pond building..

Wet_Boots
02-23-2009, 12:16 PM
How will you dredge a man-made pond without damaging a liner?

Kiril
02-23-2009, 12:19 PM
How will you dredge a man-made pond without damaging a liner?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jKyZXCNHL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 12:26 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jKyZXCNHL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

I was thinking a box of straws, but your idea is cuter. :clapping:

Junior M
02-23-2009, 12:50 PM
How will you dredge a man-made pond without damaging a liner?
We're thinking 2 different kinds of ponds, what we consider a pond here is like 3 acres of water.. And building real ponds/lakes whatever you prefer.. Exactly like what Dirtman2007 does..

Junior M
02-23-2009, 12:51 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jKyZXCNHL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Without A Drought
02-23-2009, 12:57 PM
Who's Dirtmover2007? and what does he have to do with sand filling trenches?

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 01:04 PM
We're getting a cross-pollination of forums, here. Why people post stuff in irrigation that has zip to do (other than provide comic relief) with us is beyond me.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 01:10 PM
I posted about something ML said, and it got off topic, not my fault, I didnt do it... Dont come blamin it on me..

Without A Drought
02-23-2009, 01:10 PM
yeah if i had more interest i might be inclined to go and corrupt their forums.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 01:12 PM
Go ahead, dont bother me when people do.. And we dont mind when a thread goes a tad off topic..

Ok, back to "todays repairs" since I apparently took it off topic.. ;)

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 01:21 PM
I posted about something ML said, and it got off topic, not my fault, I didnt do it... Dont come blamin it on me..

You should know better than to listen to me; my Mac has a auto off topic feature.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 01:22 PM
You should know better than to listen to me; my Mac has a auto off topic feature.
Well, I stand corrected.. :waving:

havent been reading here all that long so I dont really know who jokes alot, who to take serious and things like that..

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 01:40 PM
havent been reading here all that long so I dont really know who jokes alot, who to take serious and things like that..

That will take some time, we are still struggling with the concept. That being said, the hard core of this forum can get anyone totally confused.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 01:45 PM
That will take some time, we are still struggling with the concept. That being said, the hard core of this forum can get anyone totally confused.
Oh, you had me confused for a while.. ;)

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 01:51 PM
Leave it to Junior to get things all stirred up.. :laugh::laugh:

Junior M
02-23-2009, 01:58 PM
Thats me! :cool2: :waving: :laugh:

HokieAg07
02-23-2009, 02:04 PM
Thats me! :cool2: :waving: :laugh:

Shouldnt you be paying attention in class? :laugh:


And before you say anything I am working from home today....

Junior M
02-23-2009, 02:07 PM
Shouldnt you be paying attention in class? :laugh:


And before you say anything I am working from home today....
Wasnt goin to say anything.. And the teacher is out so we are in the gym doin whatever..

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Wasnt goin to say anything.. And the teacher is out so we are in the gym doin whatever..

Our tax dollars at work......

HokieAg07
02-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Our tax dollars at work......

Yeah, I miss the days where I could just do "whatever"

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 02:28 PM
Wasnt goin to say anything.. And the teacher is out so we are in the gym doin whatever..

Where did you gym teacher go, out to lunch with Ms. English teacher??? :laugh::laugh: How can they leave you there too screw off all period?

WTF is school becoming. Around here they call school off the night before if it is going to snow, or be too cold for the kiddies. Not like any kid walks to school anymore. Mommy drops them off at school and if they catch the bus, she waits for the bus to show up so they don't get there tootsies cold.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 02:34 PM
Where did you gym teacher go, out to lunch with Ms. English teacher??? :laugh::laugh: How can they leave you there too screw off all period?

WTF is school becoming. Around here they call school off the night before if it is going to snow, or be too cold for the kiddies. Not like any kid walks to school anymore. Mommy drops them off at school and if they catch the bus, she waits for the bus to show up so they don't get there tootsies cold.
The gym teacher and the Hsap teacher(both coaches) are out because of the head coach is making them all take Bus Driving classes to save money cause our county is so poor... So we got the health teacher and the IT foundations teacher in here with us, and they'll be gone next week..

And about the calling snow off the day before the snow, its the same way here, they forecast an inch of snow and everybody goes insane.. Its ridiculous.. (Remember, I am not originally from SC, so the snow dont bother me)

EagleLandscape
02-23-2009, 02:36 PM
you have computers in gym?

Junior M
02-23-2009, 02:37 PM
you have computers in gym?
No, we got school laptops...

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 02:56 PM
No, we got school laptops...

So, it's like skipping school when you hook up with us?

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 02:59 PM
Keep it up Junior. Surf the internet the rest of your way through High School and then "take over" your dads business, completely change the profile of it, and ride that one out. Good work.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 03:01 PM
So, it's like skipping school when you hook up with us?
No, cause I am actually paying attention.. I've got purty good grades believe it or not.. And what else I am goin to do? Go play basketball with the varsity football team? I think not..

Junior M
02-23-2009, 03:04 PM
"Keep it up Junior. Surf the internet the rest of your way through High School and then "take over" your dads business, completely change the profile of it, and ride that one out. Good work."

That was a really uncalled for imo.. And this is the last year I'll be on my computer most of the day. I am goin to Atec for the next 3 years majoring in Diesel Technology..

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 03:08 PM
"Keep it up Junior. Surf the internet the rest of your way through High School and then "take over" your dads business, completely change the profile of it, and ride that one out. Good work."

That was a really uncalled for imo.. And this is the last year I'll be on my computer most of the day. I am goin to Atec for the next 3 years majoring in Diesel Technology..
So you can brushcut for the rest of eternity?

Gym time is still around for a reason; so youll get off your azz, off the computer, and get some fuggin exercise. I think Diesel Technology is great, but get a real high school diploma first. Maybe things are different in SC, but your grammar in no way says "good grades" about you.

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 03:08 PM
No, we got school laptops...

Is a school laptop something that the (poor) school district gives every student, or did you or your parents purchase it?

Just what they need to do is give kids unrestricted access to the Internet while in school, so they can spend there time on Youtube, Myface, and Spacebook. I know I purposely mixed up the words. Better yet Lawnsite

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 03:11 PM
"Keep it up Junior. Surf the internet the rest of your way through High School and then "take over" your dads business, completely change the profile of it, and ride that one out. Good work."

That was a really uncalled for imo.. And this is the last year I'll be on my computer most of the day. I am goin to Atec for the next 3 years majoring in Diesel Technology..

Diesel Technology------ Pond clearing. I fail to see where the two are connected. You sure will have your hands full, with all you side entities.

ARGOS
02-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Shouldn't all you bums be working and not contributing to the delinquency of a minor?

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 03:19 PM
Shouldn't all you bums be working and not contributing to the delinquency of a minor?
Home Office...

ARGOS
02-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Home Office...

Amazing. WiFi in jail, school, and now the bars.

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 03:28 PM
Amazing. WiFi in jail, school, and now the bars.

Dont forget strip clubs and ski slopes.

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 03:30 PM
Amazing. WiFi in jail, school, and now the bars.

Hey, we get it at campgrounds.

ARGOS
02-23-2009, 03:31 PM
Hey, we get it at campgrounds.

How far will it sink.

EagleLandscape
02-23-2009, 03:35 PM
i worked, and now i work with people that allow me to work half days.

TRILAWNCARE
02-23-2009, 03:37 PM
i worked, and now i have people that allow me to work half days.

Half days, like that ever happens.

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 03:40 PM
Amazing. WiFi in jail, school, and now the bars.


If only you had the beer we have. Ive done some paperwork at the bar, yep, free wifi.


Dont forget strip clubs and ski slopes.

Yes and yes. Why not?

EagleLandscape
02-23-2009, 03:40 PM
yes, i started at 9am this morning, and i was done at 2pm. was on the phone for 3/4 of that time. trying to wrap up some installs im trying to get for some local restaurants.

found 30 mins to go upstairs and play the drums too:)

Mike Leary
02-23-2009, 03:41 PM
How far will it sink.
Forever...

DanaMac
02-23-2009, 04:02 PM
i worked, and now i work with people that allow me to work half days.

Half days = 12 hours
Pretty busy day

EagleLandscape
02-23-2009, 07:06 PM
i even managed to cook dinner before my wife got home. uh oh, i'm turning into chef peter:)

Wet_Boots
02-23-2009, 07:09 PM
......found 30 mins to go upstairs and play the drums too:)"I don't wanna work, I just wanna bang on me drum all day" :headphones:

Without A Drought
02-23-2009, 08:35 PM
this time of year a full day equals getting up somewhere around 9, making breakfast, watching TV for about 2 hours, surfing the internet for 2 hours, working for 2 hours, napping, making dinner and going to bed.

i'm currently between steps 6 and 7.

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 08:40 PM
this time of year a full day equals getting up somewhere around 9, making breakfast, watching TV for about 2 hours, surfing the internet for 2 hours, working for 2 hours, napping, making dinner and going to bed.

i'm currently between steps 6 and 7.
Winter is perfect for this setup. Wouldnt be this way in the AZ.

Junior M
02-23-2009, 08:52 PM
Is a school laptop something that the (poor) school district gives every student, or did you or your parents purchase it?

Just what they need to do is give kids unrestricted access to the Internet while in school, so they can spend there time on Youtube, Myface, and Spacebook. I know I purposely mixed up the words. Better yet Lawnsite

And our school district has taken a big down turn since the economy took a crap. And every student is given one from the school district, you pay $50 a year, and then at the end of your senior year you can buy the lap top for $50..

They've got that all blocked, no way to really get around the block either..

So you can brushcut for the rest of eternity?

Gym time is still around for a reason; so youll get off your azz, off the computer, and get some fuggin exercise. I think Diesel Technology is great, but get a real high school diploma first. Maybe things are different in SC, but your grammar in no way says "good grades" about you.

No, I cant, but you know the classes I am taking right now? Practically the same classes I took last year, I am not learning any real skill, I am getting all the classes I need out of the way this year.. And if my grammar isnt all that great, well I am sorry.. And I do have purty good grades, they could be better, but they are purty good.. And I'll get a "real High School diploma" majoring in Diesel technology.. We've got to pic a major by state and county law, and that is what I chose..

Btw, your probably wondering why I didnt go with something that really had to do with the industry I want to go into, thats probably cause they dont have one.. I could go major in Building Construction and learn how to drive nails, but I'd rather take Diesel Tech..

Diesel Technology------ Pond clearing. I fail to see where the two are connected. You sure will have your hands full, with all you side entities.

I want this because it would give me the ability and knowledge to work on Diesel engines, and get used trucks and machines, which is what I'd like to do to keep my overhead low..

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 09:24 PM
Maybe you could major in Business or Accounting. Were YOU going to run the business, or have someone else do it, in which case you wouldn't be running it at all.

If you want to be a business owner, get a taste for OWNING and RUNNING a business. Hire a doof to work on your trucks and engines while you cook the books or make sales. If you want to be a solo Joe, well, I would just keep on keepin on.

Waterit
02-23-2009, 09:24 PM
::::sighs, shakes head, waits for season to start::::

Junior M
02-23-2009, 09:28 PM
Maybe you could major in Business or Accounting. Were YOU going to run the business, or have someone else do it, in which case you wouldn't be running it at all.

If you want to be a business owner, get a taste for OWNING and RUNNING a business. Hire a doof to work on your trucks and engines while you cook the books or make sales. If you want to be a solo Joe, well, I would just keep on keepin on.
The first few years, I want to run the business purty much solo, I am gettin into this cause I love it, I wanna enjoy it for a few years, so thats goin to require working on the trucks and things myself. and this will help me get a feel on how to run a business, bid jobs, give me an idea on how fast jobs can be done, things like that, and mistakes wont hurt me as bad because my overhead is low.. I have put a little thought in to this..

But thats what I plan on goin to college for, this is just a happy medium.. But I am goin to talk to the Guidance councelor about all of this and see what is best, I can always change my major if I dont like it..

hoskm01
02-23-2009, 09:41 PM
The first few years, I want to run the business purty much solo, I am gettin into this cause I love it, I wanna enjoy it for a few years, so thats goin to require working on the trucks and things myself. and this will help me get a feel on how to run a business, bid jobs, give me an idea on how fast jobs can be done, things like that, and mistakes wont hurt me as bad because my overhead is low.. I have put a little thought in to this..

But thats what I plan on goin to college for, this is just a happy medium.. But I am goin to talk to the Guidance councelor about all of this and see what is best, I can always change my major if I dont like it..
its "pretty", and "counselor". Have them swing you back by your English teacher on the way to the technical campus.


If you think Diesel mechanics is going to keep your overhead low, please god, think some more because it is obvious that you have put LITTLE thought into this.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 07:09 AM
its "pretty", and "counselor". Have them swing you back by your English teacher on the way to the technical campus.


If you think Diesel mechanics is going to keep your overhead low, please god, think some more because it is obvious that you have put LITTLE thought into this.
I know it wont keep my overhead low, but it'll help when something breaks, which could possibly save me the money sending it to a mechanic. Whats the big deal, its something I've always wanted to know about and I want to learn..

And I made one simple spelling mistake, I apologize...

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-24-2009, 07:27 AM
I know it wont keep my overhead low, but it'll help when something breaks, which could possibly save me the money sending it to a mechanic. Whats the big deal, its something I've always wanted to know about and I want to learn..

And I made one simple spelling mistake, I apologize...

I agree with you. I took welding and small engine repair at TAMU. Took a old rusty non running 4 cycle lawn mower engine and completely unassembled it and barely had it running by the end of the semester. In hindsight I should have done what everybody else did and bought a cheap brand new one. I was sweating bullets on the final exam which was an automatic failure if your machine didn't run.

welding was cool. I loved that class. Unfortunately I used my oxy gloves to dip a torch welded project in the cooling drum. The water was so hot from all the students dipping metal into it the steam immediately shot up sunk into the wool and scalded half my hand. Had a massive hand blister that took a month or so to heal. Taught me that for every action a predictable reaction should occur.

Kiril
02-24-2009, 07:42 AM
I buy the manual for the engine I have and teach myself how to tear it down and rebuild it. :)

Junior M
02-24-2009, 08:08 AM
Yeah, see thats what I want to do with my business is kind of like what you did with that lawn mower, get a cheap beat up one and rebuild it instead of going and buying a brand new one, it'll save money because when I dont have the work for the machine/truck it'll just be setting and not costing me as much money like the new ones, therefore keeping my overhead some what lower than it would be..


And another thing, if my business ever fails, like Dads, I'll be able to fall back on this like he did, he was a diesel mechanic for years and he was able to fall back on that when he was out of work..

Kiril
02-24-2009, 08:39 AM
Yeah, see thats what I want to do with my business is kind of like what you did with that lawn mower, get a cheap beat up one and rebuild it instead of going and buying a brand new one, it'll save money because when I dont have the work for the machine/truck it'll just be setting and not costing me as much money like the new ones, therefore keeping my overhead some what lower than it would be..


And another thing, if my business ever fails, like Dads, I'll be able to fall back on this like he did, he was a diesel mechanic for years and he was able to fall back on that when he was out of work..

Lesson #1: Time is money.

hoskm01
02-24-2009, 09:44 AM
Lesson #1: Time is money.
And downtime is more money.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 09:47 AM
And downtime is more money.
I was just about to say something about that.. Thats the one downside that you cant really figure on in this whole thing..

Kiril
02-24-2009, 10:00 AM
And downtime is more money.

True .... that is what rentals are for. ;) Hard to make money when you are spending all your time being a grease monkey for free. There is a point when doing your own equipment repair becomes a loss instead of a gain.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 10:08 AM
True .... that is what rentals are for. ;) Hard to make money when you are spending all your time being a grease monkey for free. There is a point when doing your own equipment repair becomes a loss instead of a gain.
Very good point.. Thats the one unknown of this whole plan. If it doesnt work out in the first few years when I am running solo, I'll change up my plan, if it works out like many business's in there first few years when there over head is low and profit is high, it shouldnt hurt me as much..

I dont think there is any returning to the main topic of this thread though.. ;)

WalkGood
02-24-2009, 03:25 PM
Replacing an alternator, battery, starter or brakes can be a way to save a bunch of money. But tearing into a diesel (or gasoline) engine can be a huge undertaking and keep you from working to make more money.

If you live where you don't do much work during Winter months, then you have the time to rebuild an engine or at least swap out a rebuilt one.

WalkGood
02-24-2009, 03:40 PM
P.S Scrolling to the right is happening again in this thread. Probably from the too friggin big pictures.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 03:45 PM
P.S Scrolling to the right is happening again in this thread. Probably from the too friggin big pictures.
Really? But the pics aint on this page? I wouldnt think it would cause that on all that pages..

Junior M
02-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Replacing an alternator, battery, starter or brakes can be a way to save a bunch of money. But tearing into a diesel (or gasoline) engine can be a huge undertaking and keep you from working to make more money.

If you live where you don't do much work during Winter months, then you have the time to rebuild an engine or at least swap out a rebuilt one.
Well yall got to understand to I dont plan on buying equipment with blown motors, just equipment that needs pins and bushings, has some blow by, needs a turbo, things like that(same with trucks, brakes, battery some what simple things, not totalled trucks)

But for trucks, if I can find an older Chevy 3/4ton 4x4 I'll be rebuilding the motor in it, or replacing it with a 454.. :cool2:

Mike Leary
02-24-2009, 03:49 PM
P.S Scrolling to the right is happening again in this thread. Probably from the too friggin big pictures.

Blame me for almost everything wrong, but I've not posted any pic today. :dizzy:

Wet_Boots
02-24-2009, 03:59 PM
Really? But the pics aint on this page? I wouldnt think it would cause that on all that pages..Some of have our options set to show more than 10 posts at a time. Side-scrolling is why I suggested 640-wide as a good image size.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 04:11 PM
Some of have our options set to show more than 10 posts at a time. Side-scrolling is why I suggested 640-wide as a good image size.
You can change it? Where? Never knew that...

TRILAWNCARE
02-24-2009, 05:23 PM
You can change it? Where? Never knew that...

Junior, Go to your Control panel, click "Edit Options" and down the page a little ways you can change how many post are displayed per page.

Without A Drought
02-24-2009, 07:46 PM
Is Junior the next Rotar?

Junior M
02-24-2009, 07:47 PM
Is Junior the next Rotar?
Umm, is that good or bad? ;) Could I possibly get some background?

DanaMac
02-24-2009, 08:06 PM
Umm, is that good or bad? ;) Could I possibly get some background?

It's a good thing, and you should be so lucky...........

Junior M
02-24-2009, 08:08 PM
It's a good thing, and you should be so lucky...........
Well, in that case (if yall aint screwin with me) I feel honored!

Wet_Boots
02-24-2009, 08:11 PM
Ever slap a waitress' ass?

Without A Drought
02-24-2009, 08:11 PM
all you have to do is get a pair of shell toe's and start dancing.

DanaMac
02-24-2009, 08:13 PM
Well, in that case (if yall aint screwin with me) I feel honored!

To be honest Jr., you show some potential, and some ambition. But just remember that you are young and don't know it all yet. You'll do things wrong along the way, and we'll criticize you. But take some of that criticism as a way to change things. Not all things, but a few here and there. I've learned and changed quite a bit from being here on LS. Learning from the best IMO.

DanaMac
02-24-2009, 08:14 PM
Ever slap a waitress' ass?

He can't get into the bar yet......

Junior M
02-24-2009, 08:18 PM
To be honest Jr., you show some potential, and some ambition. But just remember that you are young and don't know it all yet. You'll do things wrong along the way, and we'll criticize you. But take some of that criticism as a way to change things. Not all things, but a few here and there. I've learned and changed quite a bit from being here on LS. Learning from the best IMO.
Oh I do, you wouldnt believe the things I've learned since I've came to LS.. And I might come across as cocky and arrogant, but I am really not I am just confident, I know I can make this work, I just gotta try at it..


And I try to keep it in mind all the time..

Without A Drought
02-24-2009, 08:19 PM
my only gripe is he had no interest in irrigation. so i'm not sure why he posts here. other than we continually engage him.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 08:22 PM
my only gripe is he had no interest in irrigation. so i'm not sure why he posts here. other than we continually engage him.
I do have an interest. My full time job during the summer is with a landscaping(with lots of other services) company that installs irrigation.. I post here cause I want to learn what I can, but its the winter in most states, not much to learn, unless I wanna make bread.. ;) :laugh:

DanaMac
02-24-2009, 08:23 PM
but its the winter in most states, not much to learn, unless I wanna make bread.. ;) :laugh:

Now that is damn funny :laugh:

Wet_Boots
02-24-2009, 08:44 PM
We tend to run out of bread threads by April, so enjoy them while they last.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 08:54 PM
We tend to run out of bread threads by April, so enjoy them while they last.
Ah shucks, I better enjoy them.. :rolleyes: :laugh:

irrigationgrl
02-24-2009, 09:03 PM
Hi Junior nice to meet you I am Irrigationgrl. newer than even u.

Junior M
02-24-2009, 09:05 PM
Hi Junior nice to meet you I am Irrigationgrl. newer than even u.
yeah, I been here a while, just not this exact forum, but so far you had a nicer greeting than me.. :laugh:

Wet_Boots
02-24-2009, 09:06 PM
Hi Junior nice to meet you I am Irrigationgrl. newer than even u.Down, Girl! He's underage. :nono:

Junior M
02-24-2009, 09:08 PM
Down, Girl! He's underage. :nono:
Dam, you had to tell her didnt ya? :realmad: :laugh:

DanaMac
02-24-2009, 09:09 PM
Down, Girl! He's underage. :nono:

"Here's to you Mrs. Robinson......."

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-25-2009, 05:54 AM
I do have an interest. My full time job during the summer is with a landscaping(with lots of other services) company that installs irrigation.. I post here cause I want to learn what I can, but its the winter in most states, not much to learn, unless I wanna make bread.. ;) :laugh:

ouch..............

TRILAWNCARE
02-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Oh I do, you wouldnt believe the things I've learned since I've came to LS..

Sure learned about insurance, didn't he...... :laugh::laugh:

Junior M
02-25-2009, 09:57 AM
Sure learned about insurance, didn't he...... :laugh::laugh:
Maybe a little to much.. :dizzy: ;) Well, it was enough to close 2 threads..:laugh: :laugh:

hoskm01
02-25-2009, 06:43 PM
Maybe a little to much.. :dizzy: ;) Well, it was enough to close 2 threads..:laugh: :laugh:
Was it enough to learn ya a lesson real good?

Wet_Boots
02-25-2009, 06:46 PM
Don't make us post more bread recipes...

Junior M
02-25-2009, 06:48 PM
Was it enough to learn ya a lesson real good?
Yeah, sure did, currently talking to an insurance agent right now and trying to decide on which insurance agent to go with..

Junior M
02-25-2009, 06:49 PM
Don't make us post more bread recipes...
:laugh: :laugh:

hoskm01
02-25-2009, 06:52 PM
Yeah, sure did, currently talking to an insurance agent right now and trying to decide on which insurance agent to go with..
Is he willing to wait 4 years until you can enter into a contract?

Junior M
02-25-2009, 06:53 PM
Is he willing to wait 4 years until you can enter into a contract?
I am not talking to him, Dad is to insure us for the work we get between now and when I take it..

Mike Leary
02-25-2009, 07:00 PM
I am not talking to him, Dad is to insure us for the work we get between now and when I take it..

Don't forget bonding, a State Contractor's license, besides a million dollars (minimum) in liability.

Junior M
02-25-2009, 07:04 PM
Don't forget bonding, a State Contractor's license, besides a million dollars (minimum) in liability.
I dont think we need a contractors license to dig holes ;)(I dont know of anybody with one) And I'll mention bonding to him, I am not really involved in this whole thing, he can handle it, but I'll definetly mention it..

DanaMac
02-25-2009, 07:08 PM
Never been bonded, or asked about it. No contractors license needed here. And I have $2 mill liability. mainly due to the banks I work for. And very little difference in premium.

Mike Leary
02-25-2009, 07:16 PM
Never been bonded, or asked about it. No contractors license needed here. And I have $2 mill liability. mainly due to the banks I work for. And very little difference in premium.

Does Colorado not have excise tax? Do your suppliers not require a bond against parts? Jezz, no wonder Peter is coming that way. I have a 6k bond,
2 mil liability + my State ticket every two years. It costs me around $65.00
a month. I cannot believe any supplier would extend credit without a bond,
or any client not check the bonding before a contract is let. :dizzy:

Junior M
02-25-2009, 07:17 PM
What exactly is bonding?

DanaMac
02-25-2009, 07:18 PM
Does Colorado not have excise tax? Do your suppliers not require a bond against parts? Jezz, no wonder Peter is coming that way. I have a 6k bond,
2 mil liability + my State ticket every two years. It costs me around $65.00
a month. I cannot believe any supplier would extend credit without a bond,
or any client not check the bonding before a contract is let. :dizzy:

Nope. And nope. I do sign a personal guarantee form when getting an account though.

irritation
02-25-2009, 07:27 PM
What exactly is bonding?

google it....make sure daddy has safe search on, you're way too young if it's not.

Mike Leary
02-25-2009, 07:31 PM
What exactly is bonding?

Besides becoming good friends with a stranger, a bond is a guarantee to ones
suppliers that if the the job goes belly-up, the bonding company will pay for
the parts, rather than the client, which means lawsuit time. We don't have
bail bondsmen in our biz, but I know once you use your bond, you will never
get one again. Check with your State regs, it could come back to bite you.

TRILAWNCARE
02-25-2009, 07:55 PM
What exactly is bonding?

Along with what Mike said.

You will normally be required to be bonded (sometimes referred to as a performance bond) when you bid on or are working on a government project, such as for a city or state. You will also have to show proof of liability insurance and workmens comp.

Junior M
02-25-2009, 07:59 PM
Along with what Mike said.

You will normally be required to be bonded (sometimes referred to as a performance bond) when you bid on or are working on a government project, such as for a city or state. You will also have to show proof of liability insurance and workmens comp.
Ok, I get it now.. Just got a question..

Lets say something happens on a job at lets say a bank and it costs $2,000 in labor, material and all the other crap and you're bonded for $2mil, now from what ML is saying, if I understand it correctly, that bond you had is now useless because of a measly 2 grand, is that correct?

TRILAWNCARE
02-25-2009, 08:02 PM
Ok, I get it now.. Just got a question..

Lets say something happens on a job at lets say a bank and it costs $2,000 in labor, material and all the other crap and you're bonded for $2mil, now from what ML is saying, if I understand it correctly, that bond you had is now useless because of a measly 2 grand, is that correct?

No, the bond will cover up to 2 mil.

Junior M
02-25-2009, 08:05 PM
No, the bond will cover up to 2 mil.
Ah, okay, one more possibly dumb question, so do they(whoever controls the bond;)) subtract that 2grand from the 2mil? Or are you still bonded up to 2mil?

TRILAWNCARE
02-25-2009, 08:09 PM
A bond is nothing more than a insurance policy, saying that if you go broke or can not finish the job. That the person, or municipality your are working for will get paid to hire someone to complete the job.

Also that the supplier that you originally purchased your supplies from will get paid. If they didn't they would file a lien on the property that you were working on in order to assure that they get there money.

Mike Leary
02-25-2009, 08:10 PM
No, the bond will cover up to 2 mil.

It would be too expensive to hold a bond that big; liability insurance, yes. A typical bond supports suppliers and, depending on the way the bond is designed, sub contractors also, though very infrequently. A bond pretty much insures that whatever supplier that's first in line if you go down, gets the dough.

TRILAWNCARE
02-25-2009, 08:10 PM
Ah, okay, one more possibly dumb question, so do they(whoever controls the bond;)) subtract that 2grand from the 2mil? Or are you still bonded up to 2mil?

The bond will not pay yourself if that is what your asking.

Junior M
02-25-2009, 08:13 PM
The bond will not pay yourself if that is what your asking.
No, I get it now... :waving: Thanks guys..

Mike Leary
02-25-2009, 08:51 PM
No, I get it now... :waving: Thanks guys..

Most contractors are getting away from sole proprietorship to a "LLC", which means your incorporated and if you hit the skids you keep your home, property and children.

hoskm01
02-25-2009, 10:14 PM
Most contractors are getting away from sole proprietorship to a "LLC", which means your incorporated and if you hit the skids you keep your home, property and children.
But youve already lost an arm and a leg on gas, equipment and insurance, so keeping the above listed items will be so much sweeter.

TRILAWNCARE
02-26-2009, 09:26 AM
Most contractors are getting away from sole proprietorship to a "LLC", which means your incorporated and if you hit the skids you keep your home, property and children.

But youve already lost an arm and a leg on gas, equipment and insurance, so keeping the above listed items will be so much sweeter.

So does this mean that you will lose your wife???

:::::::::::70% of the country's LLC's go belly up:::::::::::::::::

hoskm01
02-26-2009, 09:46 AM
So does this mean that you will lose your wife???

:



And is that a positive or negative thing? :laugh::laugh:

Mike Leary
02-26-2009, 10:13 AM
So does this mean that you will lose your wife???

:::::::::::70% of the country's LLC's go belly up:::::::::::::::::

"Take my wife, Please". I had a great career without going to LLC, but, it's getting a lot more cut throat on the commercial end these days.

hoskm01
02-26-2009, 10:14 AM
"Take my wife, Please". I had a great career without going to LLC, but, it's getting a lot more cut throat on the commercial end these days.
How were you organized, back in the day, Mike?

DanaMac
02-26-2009, 10:14 AM
"Take my wife, Please". I had a great career without going to LLC, but, it's
getting a lot more cut throat on the commercial end these days.

I Incorporated at the beginning, 1995, at the encouragement of my accountant. I couldn't tell you how it helps or hurts tax wise though.

TRILAWNCARE
02-26-2009, 10:27 AM
I Incorporated at the beginning, 1995, at the encouragement of my accountant. I couldn't tell you how it helps or hurts tax wise though.

Just make sure if you are a LLC that you are taxed as a "S" corp. Ask your accountant. It will save you a bunch of money.

DanaMac
02-26-2009, 02:58 PM
Just make sure if you are a LLC that you are taxed as a "S" corp. Ask your accountant. It will save you a bunch of money.

Yes my company is an "S" corp.