Should I go back to work.....

[Junior M]

Most of yall know the headaches and pains I had at my old job with laziness, not wanting to do it the right way, my question is, should I go back to work for him?

He called me asking me to come back to work for him, so dont think I called him begging him to come back to work for him. I am leaning towards doin it because the way the economy is and I cant be to picky on who I work for..

But like CAT told me, its like shootin myself in the foot.. So what do I need to do?

[bobcat_ron]

"Don't be a fool, stay in school".

[Junior M]

It'll be my summer job Ronnie, not leaving school to work for him, I aint that desperate to get to work.. ;)

[Dirt Digger2]

just do what you want to do

[Junior M]

just do what you want to do
You usually give me great advice when it comes to stuff like this.. But I dont know what to do cause I want to go back to work, but its goin to be hard find a job in this economy, especially being my age..

[NateV]

If you want to work id go for it..epecially at your age id go back to work for him. I dont think you can even work at a grocery store till your 16..or maybe its 15 i cant remember.

[Junior M]

If you want to work id go for it..epecially at your age id go back to work for him. I dont think you can even work at a grocery store till your 16..or maybe its 15 i cant remember.
I dont know, but I know I wont be able to get this kind of job at my age (I'll be 15 when I finally get to work in the summer) I am still leary of dealin with his s#it again..

[NateV]

Yeah i know theres not really anywhere to work when your young unless you cut the neighbors grass or something..Just have fun this summer and work with your dad when you got work.

[Dirt Digger2]

your young...employers know you will only be with them for a summer and they won't have to pay you healthcare, 401K, etc... along with the fact they know they can pay you a lesser wage then an older guy and you will be happy with it as long as you make more money then your buddies...with that being said I don't think you will have a difficult time finding a different job

now is the time to call around...get a hold of a few guys, explain your situation and say you would like an answer either way by the middle of March if at all possible...when you get your answers in front of you....Do what YOU want to do

EDIT: Don't think that just because you will only be 15 doesn't mean that guys will really look down on you and pass you over...tell them your experiences, they may see a future for you in their company in years to come and they know if they get a hold of you young then they can train you the way they want you to be trained...you might even want to mention this to them...I started working when I was 15, work your ass off and like me, by the time you are 18 you might be running big iron full time in the summers

[Junior M]

I'll try that Dirt.. The first person I am goin to call is our concrete guy, his dad (crew foreman) really likes me and they know my capabilities on a machine..

[Dirt Digger2]

don't get disappointed if you are stuck on a shovel...a lot of companies may not let you run equipment...or even drive their trucks until you are 18 because of their insurance companies

[ksss]

The guy may be difficult to work for, but at your age its an opportunity to be working running equipment and a shovel, both are valuable learning tools at your age. As long as he works safe, do what your told, get a paycheck, and learn what you can. Make contacts with others in the business in your area, you might be able to open a door for yourself with a better company later on. You could not do anything. At your age I doubt anyone is pushing you to have a full time job. However, life in the real world is not like that. You will have what your willing to work for, might as well start now. The more experience you can gain, the better off you will be.

[Junior M]

don't get disappointed if you are stuck on a shovel...a lot of companies may not let you run equipment...or even drive their trucks until you are 18 because of their insurance companies
I understand that, I've got to start somewhere.. but he knows my capabilities so if its a need to have a machine running I can do it..

[Dirtman2007]

Yeah I remember my summer job when I was 14, working for a sod farmer down the street, I started off just helping stack sod on pallets from the cutter, then he brought his excavator back to the farm and once he saw what I could do with it I never stacked sod again. I learned alot that summer, got to run all types of equipment that I had never been on before working for the family biz. before it was all said and done that summer I had learned how to drive a old cat D6 dozer, a loader, backhoe and a old forklift.

Once someone see's what your abilities are you will go far, just never stop trying and they will always have something for you to do.

If it were me and I had nothing else to do, I'd go for it. What else do you have to loose, get some more experience while your one someone else's time.

[Junior M]

The guy may be difficult to work for, but at your age its an opportunity to be working running equipment and a shovel, both are valuable learning tools at your age. As long as he works safe, do what your told, get a paycheck, and learn what you can. Make contacts with others in the business in your area, you might be able to open a door for yourself with a better company later on. You could not do anything. At your age I doubt anyone is pushing you to have a full time job. However, life in the real world is not like that. You will have what your willing to work for, might as well start now. The more experience you can gain, the better off you will be.
No, no one is pushing me to have a full time job, I am pushing myself and trying to find a job, mostly cause I want a nice truck and I dont want it handed to me.. But as far as safe, I know Dad wouldnt put me in some of the situations he does, but its work, got to do what I gotta do.. And by working for this guy I am hoping I'll be able to open a door with the actual company(the whole thing is really complicated) And possibly start operating for him since he's only got one guy(he's about to retire I hope) running the dirt side of the biz..

Yep, my great uncle always said the more you know the more you can do and thats kinda what I am goin for..

[Junior M]

Yeah I remember my summer job when I was 14, working for a sod farmer down the street, I started off just helping stack sod on pallets from the cutter, then he brought his excavator back to the farm and once he saw what I could do with it I never stacked sod again. I learned alot that summer, got to run all types of equipment that I had never been on before working for the family biz. before it was all said and done that summer I had learned how to drive a old cat D6 dozer, a loader, backhoe and a old forklift.

Once someone see's what your abilities are you will go far, just never stop trying and they will always have something for you to do.

If it were me and I had nothing else to do, I'd go for it. What else do you have to loose, get some more experience while your one someone else's time.
Exactly, the one thing I think he'll let me have a little more time on equipment now that I proved myself so well the first summer..

[raschmid07]

don't get disappointed if you are stuck on a shovel...a lot of companies may not let you run equipment...or even drive their trucks until you are 18 because of their insurance companies

You hit it on the head here for Jr. I'm not sure what the dirt scene is in Jr's neck of the woods, but around here you have to be at least 18 to get on equipment for most outfits. In fact, one company's website says you have to be 23 which seems kinda ridiculous to me. I remember you saying you got some seat time last summer, so depending on how much a pain in the ass the owner was I would strongly consider staying with him. At your age that is tough to get on equipment. What I did two summers ago was write up a one page letter stating my previous background owning a mowing business, my small dip into Bobcat work/ excavating, and lastly my love for construction and the equipment involved. I sent it to about 10 companies in Knoxville, hearing back from about 4 of them, and getting job offers from 2. I would try this route, keeping your guy as a backup plan in case you don't get any leads. I took one of these offers, worked for them for 2 years, and used my contacts to find a job with an excavating company starting this Spring Break. Good luck with it all, in the end it's up to you.

[Junior M]

You hit it on the head here for Jr. I'm not sure what the dirt scene is in Jr's neck of the woods, but around here you have to be at least 18 to get on equipment for most outfits. In fact, one company's website says you have to be 23 which seems kinda ridiculous to me. I remember you saying you got some seat time last summer, so depending on how much a pain in the ass the owner was I would strongly consider staying with him. At your age that is tough to get on equipment. What I did two summers ago was write up a one page letter stating my previous background owning a mowing business, my small dip into Bobcat work/ excavating, and lastly my love for construction and the equipment involved. I sent it to about 10 companies in Knoxville, hearing back from about 4 of them, and getting job offers from 2. I would try this route, keeping your guy as a backup plan in case you don't get any leads. I took one of these offers, worked for them for 2 years, and used my contacts to find a job with an excavating company starting this Spring Break. Good luck with it all, in the end it's up to you.
yeah, I know its hard as hell to get any body to put me in a machine, but it was needed to have 2 machines that day and he happened to be real good on the tractor so that stuck me on the backhoe (A/C!:cool2: :laugh: He got stuck in the rain, and then the horrible heat after) But right now from just what you've guys told me I am goin to sort out my options, see who needs people and go from there..

[Dirt Digger2]

i'll tell you what though...the day your boss lets you run the backhoe and he hops in the ditch with a shovel in 90 degree heat is a satisfying day

[Junior M]

i'll tell you what though...the day your boss lets you run the backhoe and he hops in the ditch with a shovel in 90 degree heat is a satisfying day
When that happens, I'll wonder why the he!! its 90 in SC during the summer.. ;) :laugh: (It gets a whole heck of alot hotter) And I'll be dam proud of that day.. It was an honor the first time Dad put me on the machine and he hopped in the hole..

[Dirtman2007]

i'll tell you what though...the day your boss lets you run the backhoe and he hops in the ditch with a shovel in 90 degree heat is a satisfying day

Actually that is the way we work, I'm in the machine 75% of the time while my boss is down in the ditch being the ditch B*tch laying pipe/ raking stone. I don't complain.

And there's no worse job that laying 36" black ADS pipe in the full sun of a 100 degree, 90% humidity NC summer day. When there's a steady stream of water running out of the A/C drain tube in the machine you know it's hot out!

On hot summer days we have a race to see who gets to work first and get the machine with A/C, tell him you will be there at 7, get there about 6:30 and grab the good machine. We are on a first come, first serve basis. lol

[Junior M]

Actually that is the way we work, I'm in the machine 75% of the time while my boss is down in the ditch being the ditch B*tch laying pipe/ raking stone. I don't complain.

And there's no worse job that laying 36" black ADS pipe in the full sun of a 100 degree, 90% humidity NC summer day. When there's a steady stream of water running out of the A/C drain tube in the machine you know it's hot out!

On hot summer days we have a race to see who gets to work first and get the machine with A/C, tell him you will be there at 7, get there about 6:30 and grab the good machine. We are on a first come, first serve basis. lol
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thats awesome, sounds like yall arent a real serious group that likes to have fun.. :cool2: I still wanna come work for you...

[Dirtman2007]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thats awesome, sounds like yall arent a real serious group that likes to have fun.. :cool2: I still wanna come work for you...

It was pretty funny yesterday

I was running the volvo, the BMW of the excavators while the boss was running the open can yanmar. It was 20 degreees yesterday morning with a lower wind chill.

so about 9am he called me to check and see how things were going in the sawmp, he said he was freezing his azz of outside. I told him I tried to talk him into a cab when we looked at the machine..... but noooo, so for kicks I told him I had to go cut my heated seat off as my butt was on fire:laugh:

look what he has to put up with all the time:laugh:

[Bleed Green]

that was just mean now LOL!

[Junior M]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thats just awesome..

[Gravel Rat]

Better start your escort service :laugh:

You have the rest of your life to work if you find a job you find one if not don`t worry too much about it.

[CAT powered]

Junior. You know what I think about this.

Just remember this if you go back to work for him.

He is the boss. He writes the checks. You do what he says when you're on the clock. Regardless of whether you like it or not.

He is the boss. If there is an Air Conditioned backhoe sitting there and he wants the ditch dug by hand tough deal. You're digging by hand.

[Junior M]

Junior. You know what I think about this.

Just remember this if you go back to work for him.

He is the boss. He writes the checks. You do what he says when you're on the clock. Regardless of whether you like it or not.

He is the boss. If there is an Air Conditioned backhoe sitting there and he wants the ditch dug by hand tough deal. You're digging by hand.
Oh, I understand that CAT, no problem there.. I'll jump right on it, its just when he wants me to do it with a shovel at the same speed that the backhoe can do it..

And GR, its a job or nothing, I got to find something to do, I am not settin at the house all summer doing nothing getting fat..

[Gravel Rat]

Ya I understand you want a job but don't beat yourself up to bad working for somebody you don't want to work for.

[crab]

just go work,you wouldn't believe the sht i put up with taught me a lot ,you have years left to get a government job and complain about it,use you're head and don't be a tough guy stay out from under septic tanks etc....that's what shovels are for!

[MJM316]

Jr all I can tell you is SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY! You have to look out for #1 first. Period. If this yahoo wants you to do something that is unsafe DON"T DO IT! You have run equipement enough and know your limits don't do anything foolish or unsafe. There are plenty of other companies out there that will not risk your safety to get a job done it's not worth it at your age or any age as far as that goes. I have worked for plenty of companies that want something done in an unsafe way because its faster but way to risky, just stop think for a few min and find a better,safer way of doing it. i was once told even the impossible is possible it just takes longer. Good luck in your decision making!

[Dirt Digger2]

don't be a tough guy stay out from under septic tanks

what about going down inside them because you are the smallest guy on the crew?

[crab]

was talking about setting them but good point,have been down in few usually last choice just to fat!my real point was use you're head even if the BOSS isn't. I've seen some really bad stuff and it was always bad operators going to fast and pressuring people.:cry:

[Junior M]

Sounds like I should just go back to work for him, but I am still goin to explore my other options and see what I can do..

As far as safety, I've never been in an uncomfortable situation, just been in some ditches and man holes that I dont think Dad would've put me in, but its all good..

[RockSet N' Grade]

Maybe I am old, but I hate the saying "it's all good".........it's not! Be careful and not too lax about your decision. Things happen in the blink of an eye, and in this business, the severity of the injuries can be death or maiming to say the least. The longer you are in it, the more you will see and understand that there is very little forgiveness when something goes wrong. Being buried or crushed or having a limb torn off by an inexperienced operator is common place.......I have seen it. If it does not "feel" safe, it is not safe. If they want you to do things on a regular basis that is not in your best interest, reevaluate your situation........Someone posted it earlier, and I have some of the same thoughts........"don't be a fool, go to school!".

[MJM316]

Those are two of the things I am exactly talking about Jr!:nono: If this guy is sending you places your pops wouldn't BE CAREFUL! Manholes can be extremely deadly. Did you have the proper air monitors? If you are going into confined spaces you should there are classes for this that will really open your eyes as to what can really happen. Monitors are cheap compared to getting someone killed. I'm pretty sure that you can even rent them. Just use your head thats all we are all preaching to you. Good Luck!

[Junior M]

I know, I've already lost one person to this business, remember? Thats in the back of my mind constantly while working And I wasnt in the manhole for more than 5 or 10min. I was careful, I stayed back from the machine when he was digging and moving around while I was in the hole, there was infact one time he left the machine setting right on the side of the trench while he wanted me in the hole while he left and I moved it, pissed him off but I wasnt goin to hurt at his dum choice, just wasnt all that keen of a machine setting there while I am down fittin pipe and things...

[stuvecorp]

You said you might be able to work with some people that do concrete? That will help your grading eye(I know it did for me) and expose you to different things/skills. If they will pay you close to what the other would maybe check that out?

[Junior M]

You said you might be able to work with some people that do concrete? That will help your grading eye(I know it did for me) and expose you to different things/skills. If they will pay you close to what the other would maybe check that out?
If they pay me I am goin to check it out, I was only gettin paid like 6.33 an hour at my old job, not great since I am used to makin between 10 and 12 an hour working for myself, but for my age its great..

[NateV]

I was only gettin paid like 6.33 an hour ..

Thats not even minimum wage is it?? I thought it was like 7.25

[Junior M]

Thats not even minimum wage is it?? I thought it was like 7.25
It differs in every state, I think minimum is $6 here, not quite sure.. I was just happy to have a job last year..

[BrandonV]

$6.55 The Fair Labor Standards Act sets the federal minimum wage at $6.55 per hour. The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007, signed into law on May 25, 2007,[3] will increase the minimum wage over two years: $7.25 (July 24, 2009)[4]

from wiki... unless you're farm labor. which if I was you and I wanted to run machinery I'd go into finding a farmer who'd let me work, laws are different for them. unfortunately at your age you have no business what-so-ever operating a machine on a jobsite, and anyone that will let you other than your father is insane and asking for a lawsuit/fine. not attacking you at all, I grew up in this and have operated stuff from day 1 but not for someone else and only at the nursery, not on sites until I was 16. even then if we did a commercial/industrial job I wasn't allowed to even be there so do what you can but don't break the law.

[Junior M]

from wiki... unless you're farm labor. which if I was you and I wanted to run machinery I'd go into finding a farmer who'd let me work, laws are different for them. unfortunately at your age you have no business what-so-ever operating a machine on a jobsite, and anyone that will let you other than your father is insane and asking for a lawsuit/fine. not attacking you at all, I grew up in this and have operated stuff from day 1 but not for someone else and only at the nursery, not on sites until I was 16. even then if we did a commercial/industrial job I wasn't allowed to even be there so do what you can but don't break the law.
Hmm, thanks for that handy bit of information..

I never set foot on commercial jobs(except on clean up and that was just pumping) and I dont think truck stops are really considered commercial, but there isnt much farming goin on around here other than horse people(dam sand aint worth a crap for growing) But I only operated on our biggest job last summer, the owners house. But I cant really complain about 22cents this guy stuck his neck out for me to have a job. Plus it was all under the table since I am not of legal age to work at such a company...

[Scag48]

Going down manholes is not fun and it is VERY dangerous I don't care what anyone says. I refuse to go and will walk off a job unless I have a sniffer on me for oxygen deficiency and a check for harmful gasses is done. Not worth your life trying to keep the boss happy. You think 5-10 minutes is a short period of time to be down a manhole? You could be down there for 20 seconds and be dead. Your old boss sounds like an idiot, I wouldn't work for him. Just my .02. You're not even of legal to be doing this type of work and he's taking safety risks. Not a smart move on his part. I'd be looking around for something else to do.

I won't preach about trench safety, I've done a lot of things in the past that were somewhat borderline but I'm still here to tell the tale. Common sense is the best rule for trench safety. I'm becoming more safety aware when I'm working on the ground. I'll take any machine just about anywhere I please and get wild and crazy in that regard, but being on the ground is a humbling experience. More often than not, something or someone else will kill you when you're working on the ground, you're not really in control of what's going on. All you can do is follow the rules as a laborer and pay attention to what's going on around you.

[Junior M]

I think yall are thinking of a different manhole, what we consider a manhole is goin down in the storm drain(where the water actually comes in) to break or mortar a joint where the drainage from the gutters on the house came in.. I just thought of what yall were picturing it as when you said "sniffer"

[RockSet N' Grade]

Junior.......I can hardly wait to hear BoobCat Ron's comment on "sniffers"........Ron - let-er-rip!

[Junior M]

Junior.......I can hardly wait to hear BoobCat Ron's comment on "sniffers"........Ron - let-er-rip!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: If he can go where he can with just a pic of a tree, I'd like to see where he can with this..

[MJM316]

Scag, I believe we are on the same page when it comes to safety. I know we both maybe fairly young but old enough to know what and when to do it! Jr it doesn't matter what type of hole you are going into it is still considered a -confined space- they are DANGEROUS I feel like we are talking to a brick wall here:hammerhead: but, are just trying to get you to understand the guy is a MORON and would be better off not working for the guy than end up being on the front page of the newspaper

[crab]

until you said 6.33$i was all for you getting some more experience,but if he is that dumb and dangerous and cheap also, f3ck that.that was a great point about minimum age by brandonv.i meant to say that also but you talk so much i forget what a young chap you are!.by the way who pays 6.33$ an hour why not 6.50$ or 6.25$ never got that.

[RockSet N' Grade]

Junior.......I was young once (believe it or not), but now that I have a little age on me I can tell ya Safety is not a small thing. I have witnessed incidents that I thought only happened in the movies or to the other guy......take good care and give this Safety thing a permanent spot in your skull.......

[Dirt Digger2]

the one time i ever puked on a jobsite...and i have been down in septic pump tanks, been to landfills, help a poop pumper hose in one hand and and ate a sandwich with the other...the only time i ever upchucked was right after i ate lunch and had to go down in a 15'manhole to put a bracket on a pressure line pumping into the manhole from a new house....quick 10 minute job....i looked down between my feet and saw a fresh turd sitting in the channel....i couldn't climb the ladder quick enough and half my lunch came back up

but i do like the farmers helper idea

[Junior M]

the one time i ever puked on a jobsite...and i have been down in septic pump tanks, been to landfills, help a poop pumper hose in one hand and and ate a sandwich with the other...the only time i ever upchucked was right after i ate lunch and had to go down in a 15'manhole to put a bracket on a pressure line pumping into the manhole from a new house....quick 10 minute job....i looked down between my feet and saw a fresh turd sitting in the channel....i couldn't climb the ladder quick enough and half my lunch came back up

but i do like the farmers helper idea
Believe me, I do to, there just arent any farmers around here to go work for..

And this was a storm drain manhole, so there aint no turds floating, if there was I woulda told him to kiss my ass, I aint doing it..

[Junior M]

Junior.......I was young once (believe it or not), but now that I have a little age on me I can tell ya Safety is not a small thing. I have witnessed incidents that I thought only happened in the movies or to the other guy......take good care and give this Safety thing a permanent spot in your skull.......

Trust me, since our guy got hurt, I've been alot more aware of safety and things..

until you said 6.33$i was all for you getting some more experience,but if he is that dumb and dangerous and cheap also, f3ck that.that was a great point about minimum age by brandonv.i meant to say that also but you talk so much i forget what a young chap you are!.by the way who pays 6.33$ an hour why not 6.50$ or 6.25$ never got that.

I dont know why, thats what I was being paid, I wasnt complaining..

Now yall got me doubting whether or not I should go work for him or not..

Scag, I believe we are on the same page when it comes to safety. I know we both maybe fairly young but old enough to know what and when to do it! Jr it doesn't matter what type of hole you are going into it is still considered a -confined space- they are DANGEROUS I feel like we are talking to a brick wall here:hammerhead: but, are just trying to get you to understand the guy is a MORON and would be better off not working for the guy than end up being on the front page of the newspaper

How is it like talking to a brickwall, I understand its not safe, I was just explaining the kind of manhole I was in...

[Gravel Rat]

I don't think I would be working for 6 dollars per hour, when I was your age I was making 10 dollars per hour that was 16 years ago.

Most of the younger generation doesn't know what work is. One of the projects I worked on they hired some highschool kids they spent more time pulling their baggy pants back up than doing actual work :rolleyes:

[Junior M]

I don't think I would be working for 6 dollars per hour, when I was your age I was making 10 dollars per hour that was 16 years ago.

Most of the younger generation doesn't know what work is. One of the projects I worked on they hired some highschool kids they spent more time pulling their baggy pants back up than doing actual work :rolleyes:
Pay per hour is cheap here compared to other places, thats why I wasnt making much, like I said, I make a whole lot more working for myself, but until I can drive and have the time to take it full time, aint to much else I can do but work for someone else..

And you dont have to worry about me, I dont sag my pants, thats the stupidest thing, plus it makes you look like a real idiot..

[Dirt Digger2]

it doesnt matter junior...6 dollars an hour is McDonalds wage...manual labor needs atleast 10...thats what i started at, no matter where your from

he is really shafting you on this..hell no I wouldn't go back to work for him if thats how he treats you

[Junior M]

it doesnt matter junior...6 dollars an hour is McDonalds wage...manual labor needs atleast 10...thats what i started at, no matter where your from

he is really shafting you on this..hell no I wouldn't go back to work for him if thats how he treats you
Dam, yall got me all split up on what to do, the things Dirt tells me are usually right, but I need a job.. right now, I think I am just goin to forget it and not work for him, it might change between now and then.. who knows..

[Dirt Digger2]

it doesn't matter if your young...your time is still worth money and if you feel like he is giving you a swift kick in the ass by the wages he is paying you then you either need to ask him for a raise or move on to greener pastures

personally i would never work for $6 an hour...i have too much pride in my work to know that I am worth more then that...if he wants a $6/hr worker then he wants someone like chris who leans on shovels all day...HAHA

[Junior M]

it doesn't matter if your young...your time is still worth money and if you feel like he is giving you a swift kick in the ass by the wages he is paying you then you either need to ask him for a raise or move on to greener pastures

personally i would never work for $6 an hour...i have too much pride in my work to know that I am worth more then that...if he wants a $6/hr worker then he wants someone like chris who leans on shovels all day...HAHA
First off, BURN! :laugh: :laugh: That was a good one..

I dont know what to do now, I am just goin to see if he calls me again and then go from there, if he dont, well I am lookin for a job...

[Dirtman2007]

it doesn't matter if your young...your time is still worth money and if you feel like he is giving you a swift kick in the ass by the wages he is paying you then you either need to ask him for a raise or move on to greener pastures

personally i would never work for $6 an hour...i have too much pride in my work to know that I am worth more then that...if he wants a $6/hr worker then he wants someone like chris who leans on shovels all day...HAHA

Hell I would need atleast $10/ hr for my shovel leaning abilities :laugh:

Joking aside, for $6/ hr I would most likely not get my butt out of bed. If you work 8 hours your only making $48.00, take out taxes (if its not under the table) and you make like $40.00

That might fill up your gas tank. When we hire laborers we usually pay $10.00/ hr. It's weird, the more work, the less they want to pay you:hammerhead:

[stuvecorp]

I'd pay ya at least $10-12 JR.:laugh: But you would have to learn to love PowerTan. I started out making $3.00 on the cranberry marsh so it kinda comes with the territory.

[crab]

that wasn't a question of you but you're potential employer,i just don't get .8 more than 6.25 what the hell is the difference,does anyone else pay this way?or been paid this way?.i would get it if you worked at giant corporation ,but this guy has what 2 people maybe talk about penny pinching,just a good sign to stay away.:cry:

[Junior M]

Hell I would need atleast $10/ hr for my shovel leaning abilities :laugh:

Joking aside, for $6/ hr I would most likely not get my butt out of bed. If you work 8 hours your only making $48.00, take out taxes (if its not under the table) and you make like $40.00

That might fill up your gas tank. When we hire laborers we usually pay $10.00/ hr. It's weird, the more work, the less they want to pay you:hammerhead:
It was under the table, all cash...

[Junior M]

I'd pay ya at least $10-12 JR.:laugh: But you would have to learn to love PowerTan. I started out making $3.00 on the cranberry marsh so it kinda comes with the territory.
Hell, I'll deal with powertan for $12 an hour, thats what I am making running Bobcat equipment... :hammerhead: :laugh:

[ksss]

that wasn't a question of you but you're potential employer,i just don't get .8 more than 6.25 what the hell is the difference,does anyone else pay this way?or been paid this way?.i would get it if you worked at giant corporation ,but this guy has what 2 people maybe talk about penny pinching,just a good sign to stay away.:cry:


I agree completely. Its a subtle sign this guy is a cheapass.

[Junior M]

I agree completely. Its a subtle sign this guy is a cheapass.
Its not subtle, its obvious, we didnt have any normal good tools, we had to dig through the tool box to try and find any tools if we even had one...

[RockSet N' Grade]

Junior........I had an epithany! (no that is not a medical condition). You could work for lawnsite as a moderator! You could get paid for that while you sit in school watching the time tick away......best of both worlds.....

[Junior M]

Junior........I had an epithany! (no that is not a medical condition). You could work for lawnsite as a moderator! You could get paid for that while you sit in school watching the time tick away......best of both worlds.....
Sounds like a plan to me.. :cool2: :laugh:

[YellowDogSVC]

It was under the table, all cash...

what does that tell you about the guy? He is breaking the law, breaking labor laws, and is an unfair competitor. What's his name and address? :laugh:


Come to Texas, I'll adopt you and your dad :drinkup:you can live and work on a ranch and learn to drive Bobcats with hand controls and operate chippers. I'm looking for an apprentice!
Seriously, I pay good labor with tools minimum $15/hr. Skilled labor $15 hr and up, and general labor $10/hr. I also pay out bonuses or share profits if I can. A cheapwad is only looking out for himself. You need to find someone who will let you be a team player. Your age is a limiting factor right now but when you turn 18, you will be more marketable.

[Junior M]

what does that tell you about the guy? He is breaking the law, breaking labor laws, and is an unfair competitor. What's his name and address? :laugh:
It was all under the table to me, cause I wanted a job, he needed somebody to work for him, come on, yall cant say you havent done something to help somebody out? I thought it would be a great deal, but turned out, I am goin to call a Horse Boarding place down the road and see if they need help, they suck for training cause they over train, but its work around something I enjoy..

[Junior M]

what does that tell you about the guy? He is breaking the law, breaking labor laws, and is an unfair competitor. What's his name and address? :laugh:


Come to Texas, I'll adopt you and your dad :drinkup:you can live and work on a ranch and learn to drive Bobcats with hand controls and operate chippers. I'm looking for an apprentice!
Seriously, I pay good labor with tools minimum $15/hr. Skilled labor $15 hr and up, and general labor $10/hr. I also pay out bonuses or share profits if I can. A cheapwad is only looking out for himself. You need to find someone who will let you be a team player. Your age is a limiting factor right now but when you turn 18, you will be more marketable.
I missed this second part, but sure! As long as there Hpattern controls, I can run them!(dam Case!:realmad: :laugh:) I'd love to do the work you do..

Alright boys, well I just talked to him, here is the report from the bossman if he isnt bsing me, just sold the Pete and is trying to sell the lowboy so they can get out from under the insurance and tags since they dont use it much, didnt use it the whole time I was full time last year. And just bought an 550(I know thats true, I looked at it on the lot and saw it at the shop today) and bought a 32ft gooseneck.

Also, they just leased a 330 cat.. :cool2: Tore down the truck stop we couldnt get pumped clean up on the NC state line with it and I believe its still setting up there.

Also, he wanted to know if I still had my John Deere zero turn I bought right after I went back to school and he said he might try and start using me as a sub contractor, and if he got some yards and work he didnt want he'd send it my way..

So, I think I am goin to take my chances and work for him and since I've joined the Fire Department once I get enough to buy a pick up, I think I am goin to start spending my time at the station learning everything I need..

I am goin to look at a 89-99 body style 1500 extended cab 4x4 short bed tomorrow. It'll fit my needs a whole lot better than the Bronco, plus, I'd look a whole lot more professional cutting grass out of a pick up than a bronco..

[Bleed Green]

sure you wouldn't want a full size bed on your truck? That is what I would want just in case I needed to haul something that was long or too big for the short bed. Unless you are not planning to have to haul anything long or big like say a full sheet of plywood for example. Doesn't really seem that you can even find full size trucks anywhere these though anyway, maybe that wouldn't be an option LOL.

[Bleed Green]

Are you planning on doing anything but cut grass on the side for the guy?

[Junior M]

Are you planning on doing anything but cut grass on the side for the guy?
He said he's send any work he didnt want our way and he knows the scope of work we can handle, so he'd probably send anything he didnt want our way. But right now just for the money so I didnt have to work for him and could spend my time at the station, I'd be happy with mowing grass.

And as far as the fullsize bed, I'd prefer to have one, but I'd also prefer to have a new 1ton single wheel, or any truck of that size for that matter. But I cant find any decent ones in my price range. Plus, this will work and once I get it paid off I can keep it as a run around truck and buy a decent 3/4ton or 1ton to work out of..

[Bleed Green]

ya that is true. Buy what you can afford, especially if it will work for you. Makes sense to me, thats the way I would do it too.

[Junior M]

ya that is true. Buy what you can afford, especially if it will work for you. Makes sense to me, thats the way I would do it too.
Thats what I am goin off of, plus its a decent truck, I hope, I am goin to see if Dad will run into town and look at it with me cause if something breaks, he's got enough experience working on Chevy's that he'd know what to look for and all that fancy stuff.. But if I can find a truck by the time I get my restricted, guess I am stuck with a Bronco.. :cry:

[RockSet N' Grade]

Junior.........I haven't read all the posts, 'cause that will just confuse me. The question is should you work or not? I would suggest you use your natural gift of gab to find you the richest babe around and get her to become fond enough of you to share her inherited fortune.........work at that and forget the rest! :)

[Junior M]

Junior.........I haven't read all the posts, 'cause that will just confuse me. The question is should you work or not? I would suggest you use your natural gift of gab to find you the richest babe around and get her to become fond enough of you to share her inherited fortune.........work at that and forget the rest! :)
I dont know if you've seen a pic of me or not, but that'll take a while.. ;) :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Junior.........I haven't read all the posts, 'cause that will just confuse me. The question is should you work or not? I would suggest you use your natural gift of gab to find you the richest babe around and get her to become fond enough of you to share her inherited fortune.........work at that and forget the rest! :)


I don't think there are very many of those where "junior" comes from :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Junior M]

I don't think there are very many of those where "junior" comes from :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Ya got that right! ;) :laugh: :eek:

[RockSet N' Grade]

Ok then, get a job and try and find a babe with a full set of teeth and call 'er good........

[Junior M]

Ok then, get a job and try and find a babe with a full set of teeth and call 'er good........
:laugh: :laugh: I'll work on that..