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rcreech
02-24-2009, 12:21 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_sc/sci_carbon_satellite

:cry:

JB1
02-24-2009, 12:26 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_sc/sci_carbon_satellite

:cry:



maybe they have insurance. :waving:

SpreadNSpray
02-24-2009, 12:27 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_sc/sci_carbon_satellite

:cry:

Don't worry Rod, They will earmark that in the next bailout.

Real Green
02-24-2009, 01:45 PM
I'm heart broken...

Ric
02-24-2009, 02:01 PM
Yo

The way Obama is printing money 280 million will be the price of a loaf of bread this time next year.

ultracut518
02-24-2009, 02:05 PM
Yo

The way Obama is printing money 280 million will be the price of a loaf of bread this time next year.

Ha Ha I agree!!!

Rayholio
02-24-2009, 02:15 PM
Actually you guys just don't see it.. Obama is the ultimate Global warming president.. Soon we won't be able to afford gasoline, and we won't have any jobs to go to...

CO2 won't be a problem then ;)

Ric
02-24-2009, 02:22 PM
Yo

Guys I kept my wheel barrow because I will need it to wheel my money to the grocery store.

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
02-24-2009, 06:49 PM
Yo

Guys I kept my wheel barrow because I will need it to wheel my money to the grocery store.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Oh wait-He's NOT kidding!?!?!?:cry::cry::cry:

Ric
02-24-2009, 07:24 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Oh wait-He's NOT kidding!?!?!?:cry::cry::cry:

Liberty

Back in the 1920s and 1930s Indiana had the largest KKK membership in America. Both in population and percentage of population. You don't have tell how Indiana voted, old ideas are slow to die.

Yesterday was Obama Monday (like Black Friday) on the NY Stock exchange at 7114 Dow Jones close. No I wasn't kidding.

mrkosar
02-24-2009, 07:42 PM
wow...that is disturbing that we are spending that type of money for things like that when our nation is falling apart. like someone stated, i'm sure we will have another stimulus bill to take care of a new one.

i like the quote by the professor that was part of the team preparing for this launch, "Wow! Bad news this morning,". No Sh#t you idiot! That is your quote after $280 million of our tax money falls into the ocean minutes after its launch. At least design it so it lasts a day or two. No wonder it lasted only minutes.

greenskeeper44
02-24-2009, 08:15 PM
obama hasnt spoken today and the market was up 230. He speaks tonight it be interesting to see what the market does tomorrow. Seems like everytime he speaks the market falls even more. Investors must not be in favor of socialism?

phasthound
02-24-2009, 09:21 PM
obama hasnt spoken today and the market was up 230. He speaks tonight it be interesting to see what the market does tomorrow. Seems like everytime he speaks the market falls even more. Investors must not be in favor of socialism?

You guys are funny. Hey, remember that old socialist program called the GI Bill? What a bunch of crap, we're much better off treating Veterans the way the Bush Administration did. Ha, we saved a lot of taxpayers money that way.

treegal1
02-24-2009, 09:30 PM
The Dow Jones industrial average was down 89.68, or 1.19 percent, to 7,465.95, the lowest close since October 2002.

Who was in office for 2 years then???? but now its the 2 month old presidents fault. hey I remember the Dow at 2000 and everyone said the world would end at 3000.

was it or was it not the Bush admin that was to blame for the real-estate crisis, he handled it just like Katrina, late with little help!!!!

PSUTURFGEEK
02-24-2009, 09:48 PM
The reason Lawnsite is so great is there is a forum for the left wing conspiracy and a forum for the right wing realist, when it comes to politics please stay on your side of the fence, I could spend weeks on here supporting my points of view and showing facts about how this industry was destroyed between 1992 and 2000 but I won't because this is a LAWNSITE!!

greenskeeper44
02-24-2009, 10:02 PM
Yeah my fault this is a lawn care forum. It was supposed to be a joke.

Rayholio
02-24-2009, 10:07 PM
The Dow Jones industrial average was down 89.68, or 1.19 percent, to 7,465.95, the lowest close since October 2002.

Who was in office for 2 years then???? but now its the 2 month old presidents fault. hey I remember the Dow at 2000 and everyone said the world would end at 3000.

was it or was it not the Bush admin that was to blame for the real-estate crisis, he handled it just like Katrina, late with little help!!!!

Bush was notoriously Fiscally liberal.. but The blame for the real-estate crisis lays in the hands of government.. just just the last one... Government founded lenders (fanny mae / Freddie Mac) started offering morgages to people who would not normally qualify because they were 'high risk' In turn privately owned banks, in order to compete, and profit were forced to start offering these terms to everyone.. Stange.. High risk actually means they may not pay..

Government programs + the Fed created our current crisis.. and government programs + the fed will be unable to solve it.. but you don't have to take my word for it..

greenskeeper44
02-24-2009, 10:17 PM
The blame for the real-estate crisis lays in the hands of government.. just just the last one... Government founded lenders (fanny mae / Freddie Mac) started offering morgages to people who would not normally qualify because they were 'high risk'

And the people responsible for overseeing Freddy and Fannie Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank two of the most liberal representatives in our congress. Barney and Dodd said in 2007 that Freddy and Fannie looked to be strong going into 2008. Boy were they wrong. But you wont hear that on CNN or CNBC. Yes Bush is partially to blame because he should have stepped in and regulated before the burst but why when the people that are overseeing tell you everything is good. I was going to stay quiet but when people start blaming without the facts it gets irritating.

Nancy Pulosi and Obama are on tv now cant wait to hear another inspiring teleprompted message.

treegal1
02-24-2009, 10:27 PM
ok so you all are saying that no matter what, bush , obama we are screwed.



and just FYI, I want a real leader, a mans leader, a Castro!!!

greenskeeper44
02-24-2009, 10:42 PM
No I wasnt a Bush fan either im a conservative not a Republican we need Regan to resurrect:usflag:

I didnt vote for Obama but really want him to succeed. I just hate that alot of people are looking for him to save everything.

We are not screwed. We are America. I believe in our people, our work ethic, our entrepreneurs, our passion. Thats all we need. We dont need Obama, Bush,Regan, Pelosi, or any politician to lead us to prosperity. All we need is ourselves. If everyone can believe in themselves then we will thrive through this and continue to prosper.

JDUtah
02-24-2009, 10:43 PM
The only responsibility for any crisis we are in is left to the American people... for debt spending and now not spending... but the bad economy will realign people... hopefully.

Point is, why can't we take our own responsibility? Just because a bank (or the government) says you can get a loan doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. WE are the ones that took out loans... and WE are the ones that are to blame.

Just my .02

greenskeeper44
02-24-2009, 10:46 PM
I agree and concur

Rayholio
02-24-2009, 10:49 PM
ok so you all are saying that no matter what, bush , obama we are screwed.



and just FYI, I want a real leader, a mans leader, a Castro!!!

Hehe I think you're right on that 1st one.. Bush.. Kerry.. Clinton.. Obama.. Doesn't matter.. they were all taking us to the same place...

Why am I in this hand basket.... And where am I going?

JDUtah
02-24-2009, 10:51 PM
We are not screwed. We are America. I believe in our people, our work ethic, our entrepreneurs, our passion. Thats all we need. We dont need Obama, Bush,Regan, Pelosi, or any politician to lead us to prosperity. All we need is ourselves. If everyone can believe in themselves then we will thrive through this and continue to prosper.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Rayholio
02-24-2009, 10:56 PM
We are not screwed. We are America. I believe in our people, our work ethic, our entrepreneurs, our passion. Thats all we need. We dont need Obama, Bush,Regan, Pelosi, or any politician to lead us to prosperity. All we need is ourselves. If everyone can believe in themselves then we will thrive through this and continue to prosper.

Where have you Been? We're not being ALLOWED to rely on ourselves.. Our government was never meant to have this much power over us, and now that it does there is no power for the individual.

Face it.. all we have left is a trimmed 2nd amendment right, and a defanged 1st amendment right.. Which at least is something.

JDUtah
02-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Where have you Been? We're not being ALLOWED to rely on ourselves.. Our government was never meant to have this much power over us, and now that it does there is no power for the individual.

Face it.. all we have left is a trimmed 2nd amendment right, and a defanged 1st amendment right.. Which at least is something.

Perhaps, but even with all that, and even to correct that, all we need is our American selves.

I welcome a crash under Obama... it MIGHT help people pull their heads out of their, well..., and take their life into their own hands...

rcreech
02-24-2009, 11:21 PM
I am somewhat conservative....some may say!!!!! :laugh:

But I must say that I feel confident that Barrack Hussein Obama really cares and wants to get us out of this mess!

I think we may have some hard times ahead...but I think we will get out of this quicker then everyone thinks!

Will the world get back to where it was? Probably not...but I don't care as long as everyone lets me DUMP fertilizer and chemicals on their lawn! :laugh:

whoopassonthebluegrass
02-24-2009, 11:37 PM
I love ya, Rodney... but Obama having good intentions isn't anywhere near enough.

Just like the man before him, Mr. Precedent is trying to SPEND our way out of a SPENDING problem. That just doesn't make sense.

RABBITMAN11
02-24-2009, 11:42 PM
I agree, he is just a puppet!

Whitey4
02-25-2009, 07:21 AM
I have a hard time laughing about the loss of this satelite. It was a worthwhile scientific endevour. But, satelites... they all might be blown out of the sky in 2012.

I'm no chicken little, or bible beating apocolyptic nut case, but 2012... could be a very bad year for planet earth. Anyone remmeber the 1989 three day blackout in Quebec? Solar flares. Preceeded by the sighting of the aurora borelais in Mexico three years previous. They can now predict these events based on sun spot activity.

Solar flares, created from magnetic storms on the sun run in cycles. In short: When sun spots are observed, three years later the aurora borealis puts on an awsome show. Three days after that the gamma radiation (magnetic storms that travel slower than the light that creates the aurora borealis) arrives, and that is what sent Quebec into a blackout, it fried the grid. A BIG part of all those GE "smart grid" commercials are meant to make the grid less suseptable to this expected solar flare storm in 2012.

NOAA has a department dedicated to monitoring the sun's weather. They are reporting more and bigger sun spots than have ever previously been recorded this year. They are forecasting the most potentially dangerous solar storms since the industrial revolution... and they don't have data previous to that.

Maybe off topic, call me a nut, but Google it. It's real. If in 2012 there are reports of aurora borealis sightings in south america.... you have 3 days. This storm could potentially blow every satelite we have right into oblivion. Because of this threat, new satelites can fold up into a turtle-like shell, and have propulsion systems to attempt to keep them in their orbit.

If they can shut the grid down in time, they can save it. If it is at full power as it was in Quebec in 1989, it will get fried. They will have a 3 day window to get it shut down, or we are in darkness for months.

There have been shows on Discovery and other channels on this... LOL... I'm not making it up. Interviews with PhD's from the NOAA sun weather forcasting department. The GE commercials don't reference this specifically, but that is what GE, IBM, and a boatload of other companies are actively working on in preparation. It isn't a noble cause... no power, those companies collapse along with everything else.

Oh, and just to make this less credible for the skeptics, the Aztec calendar ends in 2012, so I'll make it easier for you to write all of this off. LOL... call me crazy, but I WILL have water and canned goods in the basement, just in case....

Rayholio
02-25-2009, 10:28 AM
Barak Cares... but like everyone else, he's a lying, cheating, stealing polititian.. It's his nature. So, don't hop on his back, and hope that he's going to ferry you across the river without killing you both.. he can't help it. Nor can any of the rotten good-4-nuthins

I'm not able to get on most of the global warming bandwagon... But solor activity effecting us, our climate, and of infastructure? THIS is a plausable thing. THIS is nature doing what it always has done.. and THIS is something that is overlooked in the search for the cause of global warming... Why? Because there is no $$$ to be made with it.. It doesn't ask people to buy new cars, or to vote for a particular person.. It just happens. I'm not sure about the end of the world in 2012.. But perhaps the end of life 'as we know it' is not far off..

whoopassonthebluegrass
02-25-2009, 10:44 AM
Wow. This is what I read as I wake up in the morning? May as well not get out of bed... :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
02-25-2009, 10:58 AM
I have a hard time laughing about the loss of this satelite. It was a worthwhile scientific endevour. But, satelites... they all might be blown out of the sky in 2012.

I'm no chicken little, or bible beating apocolyptic nut case, but 2012... could be a very bad year for planet earth. Anyone remmeber the 1989 three day blackout in Quebec? Solar flares. Preceeded by the sighting of the aurora borelais in Mexico three years previous. They can now predict these events based on sun spot activity.

Solar flares, created from magnetic storms on the sun run in cycles. In short: When sun spots are observed, three years later the aurora borealis puts on an awsome show. Three days after that the gamma radiation (magnetic storms that travel slower than the light that creates the aurora borealis) arrives, and that is what sent Quebec into a blackout, it fried the grid. A BIG part of all those GE "smart grid" commercials are meant to make the grid less suseptable to this expected solar flare storm in 2012.

NOAA has a department dedicated to monitoring the sun's weather. They are reporting more and bigger sun spots than have ever previously been recorded this year. They are forecasting the most potentially dangerous solar storms since the industrial revolution... and they don't have data previous to that.

Maybe off topic, call me a nut, but Google it. It's real. If in 2012 there are reports of aurora borealis sightings in south america.... you have 3 days. This storm could potentially blow every satelite we have right into oblivion. Because of this threat, new satelites can fold up into a turtle-like shell, and have propulsion systems to attempt to keep them in their orbit.

If they can shut the grid down in time, they can save it. If it is at full power as it was in Quebec in 1989, it will get fried. They will have a 3 day window to get it shut down, or we are in darkness for months.

There have been shows on Discovery and other channels on this... LOL... I'm not making it up. Interviews with PhD's from the NOAA sun weather forcasting department. The GE commercials don't reference this specifically, but that is what GE, IBM, and a boatload of other companies are actively working on in preparation. It isn't a noble cause... no power, those companies collapse along with everything else.

Oh, and just to make this less credible for the skeptics, the Aztec calendar ends in 2012, so I'll make it easier for you to write all of this off. LOL... call me crazy, but I WILL have water and canned goods in the basement, just in case....

When those guys start giving a reliable weather forecast, I may pay attention to them, but until then, they are completely unbelievable:hammerhead: I sure wouldn't run my life according to what they say...........

ted putnam
02-25-2009, 11:33 AM
I can see where there is potential for disaster. Reminds me of Y2K though.

JDUtah
02-25-2009, 01:14 PM
I once heard Steve Jobs (founder of Apple and Pixar) quote this...
"Live today as if it were your last, and one day you will most certainly be right"

Live by the above, and you will be fine. Who cares about Obama or Solar flares when you are living YOUR life to its fullest every day?

Again, just my .02

Kiril
02-25-2009, 01:51 PM
I once heard Steve Jobs (founder of Apple and Pixar) quote this...
"Live today as if it were your last, and one day you will most certainly be right"

Live by the above, and you will be fine. Who cares about Obama or Solar flares when you are living YOUR life to its fullest every day?

Again, just my .02

Yes, that is how a typical self-absorbed tycoon lives .... for today with little concern for the future consequences of their actions.

Hell, who cares anyhow, the planet will eventually die, so **** it all.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yk6LqyG9X6w/SYjj5fR_PzI/AAAAAAAACQc/1zyH42kLa18/s400/Asteroid_impact1.61125151_std.jpg

JDUtah
02-25-2009, 02:08 PM
Yes, that is how a typical self-absorbed tycoon lives .... for today with little concern for the future consequences of their actions.

Hell, who cares anyhow, the planet will eventually die, so **** it all.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Yk6LqyG9X6w/SYjj5fR_PzI/AAAAAAAACQc/1zyH42kLa18/s400/Asteroid_impact1.61125151_std.jpg

Why always so black and white? Do you think Steve Jobs is an a$$ for his success?

If that was a personal attack on me, do you not remember I broke off my last partnership to start my own sustainable organic company?

You CAN do things with "AND"... it doesn't always have to be "OR"

Sorry buddy this might be new to you but you can live life to its fullest AND leave the earth better for your children.


If today was your last, you would push sustainability pretty hard wouldn't you? So not a bad concept to live by really.

PS the reality is... when faced with death, the normal person is NOT a typical self-absorbed tycoon. If you don't believe that, I am sorry you have such negative people in your life. Time for some new friends/family?

Kiril
02-25-2009, 02:16 PM
WTF are you talking about JD? I face the possibility of death every day. So do you, so does everyone.
If today was my last ... you can be guaranteed I would not be on this forum.

FYI JD, the majority of the people in this country ARE self-absorbed ... you don't have to be a tycoon to hold that honor.

JDUtah
02-25-2009, 02:34 PM
WTF are you talking about JD? I face the possibility of death every day. So do you, so does everyone.
If today was my last ... you can be guaranteed I would not be on this forum.

FYI JD, the majority of the people in this country ARE self-absorbed ... you don't have to be a tycoon to hold that honor.

I expected that response... but believe otherwise on some of it...

Looks like it is time to agree to disagree.

My life is too short to waste it arguing with you. Rod might jump in to "entertain" you though? :laugh:

Oh, and about you pushing sustainability on your last day of life... sorry, I thought it was actually one of your top values.

Kiril
02-25-2009, 03:22 PM
Oh, and about you pushing sustainability on your last day of life... sorry, I thought it was actually one of your top values.

Sorry to disappoint JD, but I do that every day of my life. If I am facing my "last" day, I think I will choose to spend that time in purely selfish pursuits.

treegal1
02-25-2009, 03:25 PM
I expected that response... but believe otherwise on some of it...

Looks like it is time to agree to disagree.

My life is too short to waste it arguing with you. Rod might jump in to "entertain" you though? :laugh:

Oh, and about you pushing sustainability on your last day of life... sorry, I thought it was actually one of your top values.
oh yes, how to win friends and influence people

treegal1
02-25-2009, 03:26 PM
:clapping::clapping::clapping:Sorry to disappoint JD, but I do that every day of my life. If I am facing my "last" day, I think I will choose to spend that time in purely selfish pursuits.

JDUtah
02-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Sorry to disappoint JD, but I do that every day of my life. If I am facing my "last" day, I think I will choose to spend that time in purely selfish pursuits.

What a sad ending...

Kiril
02-25-2009, 03:30 PM
What a sad ending...

Yea JD, saying goodbye to friends and family is a sad ending. :rolleyes:

JDUtah
02-25-2009, 03:37 PM
Yea JD, saying goodbye to friends and family is a sad ending. :rolleyes:

If capitalizing on "purely selfish" motives... indeed... sad ending.

But I give you credit, I do not believe your motives would be purely selfish. I bet a part of your "goodbye" would be motivated by love/charity for those friends and family.

My last post in this thread.

Hoots
02-25-2009, 05:29 PM
The only responsibility for any crisis we are in is left to the American people... for debt spending and now not spending... but the bad economy will realign people... hopefully.

Point is, why can't we take our own responsibility? Just because a bank (or the government) says you can get a loan doesn't mean it is the right thing to do. WE are the ones that took out loans... and WE are the ones that are to blame.

Just my .02

WE did not do this to ourselves. Some people, ok many people, over extended their means. They are known as the $30,000/yr millionaires.

The reduction of home loan restrictions passed through the Clinton administration seemed to be one catalyst of many. It is not necessarily one administrations problem. Like another post stated they are all politicians.

I have tried my best to live within my means and make all of my payments on time. So far I have accomplished this. I do not eat out unless there is extra money in the budget.

BTW sandwiches at Subway or at home are the same...you lose weight.

If you don't have money in hand, you cannot afford it.

whoopassonthebluegrass
02-25-2009, 05:31 PM
If you don't have money in hand, you cannot afford it.

Amen to that!!!!!!!

phasthound
02-25-2009, 08:49 PM
I once heard Steve Jobs (founder of Apple and Pixar) quote this...
"Live every day as your last, and one day you will most certainly be right"

Just catching up here. I think Jobs was paraphrasing the Buddha.

rcreech
02-25-2009, 10:44 PM
I expected that response... but believe otherwise on some of it...

Looks like it is time to agree to disagree.

My life is too short to waste it arguing with you. Rod might jump in to "entertain" you though? :laugh:

Oh, and about you pushing sustainability on your last day of life... sorry, I thought it was actually one of your top values.

Rod who?

Are you talking about me? :laugh:

William Jones
02-25-2009, 11:32 PM
Are we now using this forum to send out hate messages, or are we just that stupid?...Yes I said it. "Stupid" Get a real life.

Classified
02-25-2009, 11:58 PM
My favorite part of the article

Minutes after launch Tuesday in California, the satellite fell back to Earth near Antarctica not far from where environment ministers and scientists met Monday to talk about climate change.

treegal1
02-26-2009, 12:27 AM
lets here the man say it.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPWpv9e8GFo

Kiril
02-26-2009, 09:56 AM
Just catching up here. I think Jobs was paraphrasing the Buddha.

Yes and incorrectly. I believe it goes like this:
Live every act fully, as if it were your last

Change one word and it changes the meaning entirely.

humble1
02-26-2009, 10:15 AM
Yo

The way Obama is printing money 280 million will be the price of a loaf of bread this time next year.

Thats okay, the dems will slap him on the shoulder. The other night his address he said he was going to find the cure for cancer.

Now if GW said that people would say, what about aids and chicken pocks?

Jnbravo
02-26-2009, 06:20 PM
Dont know if anyone has said this yet or not.

But they say, do to the ozone layer problems and and everything else, that we are headed for another "ice Age".

This earth has had at least four ice ages that I know of. There were no humans for three of them. And no polution. The earth does it every so often to clense itself of "pest". Which all of you should be familar with. There is no way to stop it and there was no prevention of it ever happening again. Humans will live through the next one, just not very many of us. I would be more afraid of when the next metor is going to hit. 2019 I believe there predicting. Love and Live. No sence in worrying.

turf hokie
02-26-2009, 06:52 PM
If you don't have money in hand, you cannot afford it.

Damn, it cant be that simple, can it???

Hoots
02-28-2009, 11:21 AM
Damn, it cant be that simple, can it???

So what are you saying hokie? Do you not agree?

Ric
02-28-2009, 11:48 AM
Yo

I don't care how much money you have or don't have in the stock market. The Dow Jones average effects all of us. Friday's close was 7063.92. What will Monday and be on bring. Talk about Bail out, people are bailing out of the market.

turf hokie
02-28-2009, 12:48 PM
So what are you saying hokie? Do you not agree?

I agree with the quote that "if you dont have cash in hand you cant afford it " wholeheartedly.

I was trying to be sarcastic b/c everyone thinks plastic is the same as cash and if everyone stayed within their means and did not overextend themselves we just might be in a better spot these days.

It just caught me as such a simple statement that some would not be able to break down and hold it as a truth.

turf hokie
02-28-2009, 12:50 PM
Yo

I don't care how much money you have or don't have in the stock market. The Dow Jones average effects all of us. Friday's close was 7063.92. What will Monday and be on bring. Talk about Bail out, people are bailing out of the market.

I agree, we are being hit around here because we are a bedroom community to the city and a good number of homeowners in this area work in the financial district.

There are people around here that used to go to work in $3,000 suits that have gone out and bought push mowers to cut their own grass so they can save $140 a month.

Hoots
02-28-2009, 01:17 PM
I agree with the quote that "if you dont have cash in hand you cant afford it " wholeheartedly.

I was trying to be sarcastic b/c everyone thinks plastic is the same as cash and if everyone stayed within their means and did not overextend themselves we just might be in a better spot these days.

It just caught me as such a simple statement that some would not be able to break down and hold it as a truth.

Great, we ARE on the same team. WHEW:clapping:
Sorry, I didn't catch the sarcasm.

I am a bit of a hypocrit though. I bought the wife an expensive vehicle along with my work truck payment. When I pay those two off I will have an extra $900 per month. I don't know what I will do with myself. I will be able to rebuild my wealth and when I need another vehicle I might be able to pay cash. I cannot wait to pay those bad boys off.

Those that have zero debt are in the drivers seat right now.

turf hokie
02-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Great, we ARE on the same team. WHEW:clapping:
Sorry, I didn't catch the sarcasm.

I am a bit of a hypocrit though. I bought the wife an expensive vehicle along with my work truck payment. When I pay those two off I will have an extra $900 per month. I don't know what I will do with myself. I will be able to rebuild my wealth and when I need another vehicle I might be able to pay cash. I cannot wait to pay those bad boys off.

Those that have zero debt are in the drivers seat right now.

Oh, I'm a hypocrite myself, but I pay my debts, I paid cash for everything until I needed equipment and materials and employess to keep up with growth, I look back and think I should have turned some work away, because now I am carrying debt. But like I said I make my payments and am reducing it.....

and I was smarter than some when my mortgage broker wanted to put me in a house based on future earnings and on a 5 year arm. And did the math based it on todays earnings and locked it for 30 years. Boy am I glad I did when my wife lost her job in July, she is now a stay at home mom because, well I work my ass off and dont expect uncle sam to knock on my door with a bailout anytime soon.....

bj22
02-28-2009, 01:31 PM
Turf Hokie, not to get of subject but I see you are in metro NY area , I am also but across the river in westchester county, How has your customer retention been, ie, renewals, cancels .

turf hokie
02-28-2009, 01:35 PM
Turf Hokie, not to get of subject but I see you are in metro NY area , I am also but across the river in westchester county, How has your customer retention been, ie, renewals, cancels .

Over here is good, only lost 2% so far, but westchester is bad, down 15% closer to the financial district. We are a bit more insulated than you guys. Commercial customers are looking to cut back, get same service for free. But on the flip side the phone is ringing and we are positive growth.

bj22
02-28-2009, 01:57 PM
Not Bad. I have auto renewals so its up to them via a phone call to cancel. Just wondering when the time gets closer or in the middle of 1st app these people realize they have this expense also. Well , good luck this season.

Ric
02-28-2009, 03:26 PM
bj

South Florida has a year round growing season so our contracts roll on from year to year with out the hassle of renewals the rest of you have. But with advantages come some disadvantages, our customers can cancel at any time if we don't get them to re up the contract.

humble1
03-01-2009, 02:22 PM
Not Bad. I have auto renewals so its up to them via a phone call to cancel. Just wondering when the time gets closer or in the middle of 1st app these people realize they have this expense also. Well , good luck this season.

How do you word that in your contract? How do you handle price increases or additional services?