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FIMCO-MEISTER
02-28-2009, 08:03 AM
The CA drought needs a long discussion thread. As CA goes so goes the country. 7th largest economy in the world. If you want to know where Obama wants to take this country look at CA. I'm betting CA suffers major population decline for a good 4-5 years. Beautiful state and I have a long road trip planned for it but they have some major problems.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96K7SB01&show_article=1

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 08:23 AM
Lots of people have been on the move from Cali for a while. There have been many local articles and discussions about all the Californians moving to Colorado. Based on housing and cost of living. They were leaving their tech jobs in CA, for tech jobs in CO. Selling their $1mill homes in CA, and getting a home twice the size and half the price in CO. Schools have been another issue, and traffic. Families are tired of dad spending an extra 2 hours on the road each day, instead of with the kids. I would say the majority of my new customers that have just moved here, are from Cali. And these have been the stories they've expressed to me.

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-28-2009, 08:25 AM
Lots of people have been on the move from Cali for a while. There have been many local articles and discussions about all the Californians moving to Colorado. Based on housing and cost of living. They were leaving their tech jobs in CA, for tech jobs in CO. Selling their $1mill homes in CA, and getting a home twice the size and half the price in CO. Schools have been another issue, and traffic. Families are tired of dad spending an extra 2 hours on the road each day, instead of with the kids. I would say the majority of my new customers that have just moved here, are from Cali. And these have been the stories they've expressed to me.

Maybe we can put a sign up that tells them to take a right and go to Texas? Or better yet Mississippi and Alabama?

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 08:29 AM
Maybe we can put a sign up that tells them to take a right and go to Texas? Or better yet Mississippi and Alabama?

How's about Wyoming? Lowest total population there. They need a good influx of liberals :)

FIMCO-MEISTER
02-28-2009, 08:31 AM
How's about Wyoming? Lowest total population there. They need a good influx of liberals :)

Sadly they will take the same attitudes and voting pattern to where ever they go and screw up that state as well.

CAPT Stream Rotar
02-28-2009, 08:34 AM
libs make the world go round

AI Inc
02-28-2009, 08:39 AM
How's about Wyoming? Lowest total population there. They need a good influx of liberals :)

Jacksonhole area and a lot of Western WY has a real lot of Cali transplants.

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 08:41 AM
libs make the world go round

So do "Fat bottom girls"

Stuttering Stan
02-28-2009, 08:51 AM
Getting back to the OP, does Schwarzeneggerville have water restrictions. I'm sure Kiril has some charts and graphs about the drought.

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 08:56 AM
Getting back to the OP, does Schwarzeneggerville have water restrictions. I'm sure Kiril has some charts and graphs about the drought.

Water restrictions an the Gov's mansion? Hmmm...... Brown grass at the state capitol.......

hoskm01
02-28-2009, 09:06 AM
Water restrictions an the Gov's mansion? Hmmm...... Brown grass at the state capitol.......
Those with water need to give it up for those with less water. Its the socialist equalization kinda' way.

AI Inc
02-28-2009, 09:07 AM
Cali has the same prob as FLA , all the water is in the north and the people live in the south.

ARGOS
02-28-2009, 10:38 AM
The Governor said "we have a water system built for 18 mil people and now we have 38 million people" and goes on to say we need to redo the infrastructure of the system and increase storage.

The focus needs to be on conservation. The water available after updating the infrastructure and increased storage still will not supply 38 mil people.

Isn't this a sound bite after federal monies?

I snapped this shot of New Melones reservoir yesterday on my way home. I cannot recall it being this low at this time of year. This is the time of year the water should be increasing greatly as it is stored for summer.

Kiril
02-28-2009, 10:40 AM
Selling their $1mill homes in CA, and getting a home twice the size and half the price in CO.

How true. My almost 1/2 million little shack of a house would buy me a mansion in just about any other state. :cry:

Kiril
02-28-2009, 10:43 AM
I'm sure Kiril has some charts and graphs about the drought.

Not on hand, but I can find some if you want. :laugh:

ARGOS
02-28-2009, 10:47 AM
How true. My almost 1/2 million little shack of a house would buy me a mansion in just about any other state. :cry:

At least the shacks aren't 1 mil anymore. The bonus of living in the hills Kiril you can still get a nice pad for 1/2 mil.

Kiril
02-28-2009, 10:48 AM
At least the shacks aren't 1 mil anymore. The bonus of living in the hills Kiril you can still get a nice pad for 1/2 mil.

Yes, but at least I don't have to worry about wild fires and mud slides. :laugh:

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 11:00 AM
How true. My almost 1/2 million little shack of a house would buy me a mansion in just about any other state. :cry:

Oh wait. Did I say you can get a good deal in CO? I meant the other way around. Things are overly pricey here. You won't find good deals. Don't even bother looking. You would all hate it here. No sunshine. Lots of humidity. Snowed in all the time. Crummy place to live. But hey, someone's gotta do it :)

Kiril
02-28-2009, 11:03 AM
Oh wait. Did I say you can get a good deal in CO? I meant the other way around. Things are overly pricey here. You won't find good deals. Don't even bother looking. You would all hate it here. No sunshine. Lots of humidity. Snowed in all the time. Crummy place to live. But hey, someone's gotta do it :)

Yea, well screw you and your snow. :laugh:

ARGOS
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
Oh wait. Did I say you can get a good deal in CO? I meant the other way around. Things are overly pricey here. You won't find good deals. Don't even bother looking. You would all hate it here. No sunshine. Lots of humidity. Snowed in all the time. Crummy place to live. But hey, someone's gotta do it :)

Dana, I think my kids would love your nice quite neighborhood any openings next door?

Wet_Boots
02-28-2009, 12:53 PM
Dana, I think my kids would love your nice quite neighborhood any openings next door?Zoning laws prohibit clown cars....

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 01:00 PM
Dana, I think my kids would love your nice quite neighborhood any openings next door?

Sorry, the Inn is closed :)

You wouldn't like it here. No regulations, no licensing, and clown cars don't get around in the snow very well.

ARGOS
02-28-2009, 01:04 PM
How about a couch or two?

The sprinter jams in the snow.

Kiril
02-28-2009, 01:05 PM
Sorry, the Inn is closed :)

You wouldn't like it here. No regulations, no licensing, and clown cars don't get around in the snow very well.

Screw you, I gots me a shovel, snow don't bother me.

http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=129470&d=1230046487

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 01:10 PM
How about a couch or two?

The sprinter jams in the snow.

How about we build a little colony of igloos? Start your own compound? I'll take 25%, no... 20% off the top of all your business dealings.

ARGOS
02-28-2009, 01:15 PM
We could sell tickets. Backlight the igloos. Maybe I could get a show on Discovery Health.

:::wait! I was interested in the original topic and now I am helping derail it!:::

DanaMac
02-28-2009, 01:15 PM
Actually the igloos would melt this week. And you'd need to truck in the snow. Mid to high 60s this week. I already have one appointment for Monday to repair a system.

DanaMac
03-01-2009, 08:45 AM
Dana, I think my kids would love your nice quite neighborhood any openings next door?

And I forgot to mention, YES the house next door IS for sale. You been spying on me? Not sure how much. Only half an acre though. I thought you had more. On the plus side, I'm not sure of the name for it, but he built a sweet home/shed/building for raising hawks. He had a couple in there before he went to Iraq/Afghan and his son went to college. It was fun to watch him train them.

BrandonV
03-01-2009, 09:23 AM
believe it or not we're I've worked for my fair share of californians last year, the conservative ones too, they do exist!!! I think cali needs to loose some people and save the water for the ag crops

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 10:15 AM
At least the shacks aren't 1 mil .

Here's a mil shack that that just pulled in.

hoskm01
03-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Here's a mil shack that that just pulled in.
less than 500k, easy. No slides. Frame is older.

DanaMac
03-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Here's a mil shack that that just pulled in.

But does he know how to program a Rain Master? Doubtful. (not that I do either, just sayin')

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 10:47 AM
less than 500k, easy. No slides. Frame is older.

I forgot the tow rigs.

Wet_Boots
03-01-2009, 11:21 AM
What kind of grapes are they growing? (if grapes they be)

hoskm01
03-01-2009, 11:21 AM
I forgot the tow rigs.
Are they pickin those grapes with the cotton picker? New age harvesting is CRAZY!

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 11:23 AM
What kind of grapes are they growing? (if grapes they be)
I'll find out, that's my aunt's place in Las Cruces, will be there in a couple of weeks, I know she grows quite a few varieties.

Mike Leary
03-01-2009, 11:41 AM
Are they pickin those grapes with the cotton picker? New age harvesting is CRAZY!

She was new age before it got such a bad connotation: grows cotton, peppers, lettuce and grapes. Uses cover crops and practices rotation; all organic. Quite a old gal!

Wet_Boots
03-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Hi Aunty! :waving:

irrigationgrl
03-05-2009, 08:32 PM
Sadly they will take the same attitudes and voting pattern to where ever they go and screw up that state as well.

hay now that's not fair nor is it true. Are you insinuating that Californian's screwed up this state? I am offended

libs make the world go round
Who says all of us are libs?

Wet_Boots
03-05-2009, 08:46 PM
Your libs may say no, but your ayes say yes.... :p

irrigationgrl
03-05-2009, 08:47 PM
We got water.....wut drought do you mean the perpetual one we have been in for 14 years or this one?

irrigationgrl
03-05-2009, 08:58 PM
see??? Just not enough for the farmers to grow food for the country cuz the city people need to have it so they can wash their cars and stuff.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-05-2009, 09:32 PM
Go Talk to your Guvner. Your water has cost this nation a bloody fortune.

ARGOS
03-06-2009, 12:27 AM
Go Talk to your Guvner. Your water has cost this nation a bloody fortune.

Our water has been stolen and sent to Southern California.

We can't leave out Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, the high plains states, etc for water that has been subsidized by the Federal Government.

The CA water situation is a mess and the proposed solutions are pitiful. Conservation is going to be critical. Turn it to open market and I bet conservation would become an intricate aspect of water management.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-06-2009, 05:12 AM
Our water has been stolen and sent to Southern California.

We can't leave out Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, the high plains states, etc for water that has been subsidized by the Federal Government.

The CA water situation is a mess and the proposed solutions are pitiful. Conservation is going to be critical. Turn it to open market and I bet conservation would become an intricate aspect of water management.

Good luck.. I'm pulling for N. CA. and the fish but all the votes and greed are in S. CA.

gusbuster
03-09-2009, 07:48 PM
What does Arnold know? Isn't he from the greedy, water hogging south?


Let them damn those rivers........means I have more places to water ski. Ever try to take a speed boat on a shallow,rock infested river.....makes for a heck of a bumpy ride.


Make water cost more money.....heck then the cities will just have more money to fund the pensions of those lazy city workers.

Who says all CA are liberals.....last time I checked, the will of the people said no to GAY marriage.








Heck, Ca has it's problems just like any other state. The problem really boils down to are decisions are made for a few and not the whole pie.

Ca will always have water problems since you have people living in areas that were deserts before we figured out how to move water from one location to another.

Conserve water? Heck we need to use more since until it's gone, nobody will realize what we have in the first place.

DanaMac
03-10-2009, 08:39 AM
Here's an update on the CO drought

Front Range drought (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_11874961)

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-10-2009, 09:05 AM
Is it true that CA pumps water uphill into a giant reservoir? That the energy used in pumping this water is more than what the entire state of Vermont uses? That the charge for the energy to pump this water uphill is charged at a lower rate and then the water is released to go downhill and the hydro power energy that results is charged at a much higher rate so they can claim this mountain reservoir is energy neutral?

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-10-2009, 09:10 AM
Here's an update on the CO drought

Front Range drought (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_11874961)

Some good news in there. I need to add SNOW PACK to my lingo.

Dripit good
03-10-2009, 09:55 AM
Beautiful pics grl.

:::I'm weak... I now have a sudden urge for a fried Spam sandwich on white bread:::

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-10-2009, 09:56 AM
Beautiful pics grl.

:::I'm weak... I now have a sudden urge for a fried Spam sandwich on white bread:::

Don't forget to melt some velveeta on top.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-10-2009, 10:00 AM
The economy is in tatters and, for millions of people, the future is uncertain. But for some employees at the Hormel Foods Corporation plant here, times have never been better. They are working at a furious pace and piling up all the overtime they want. The workers make Spam, perhaps the emblematic hard-times food in the American pantry.

Dripit good
03-10-2009, 10:06 AM
We all know the basic hot dog has everything in it, even ass and lips.

But I'm thinking Spam somehow included the oink in it's product. :drinkup:

gusbuster
03-10-2009, 12:43 PM
Is it true that CA pumps water uphill into a giant reservoir? That the energy used in pumping this water is more than what the entire state of Vermont uses? That the charge for the energy to pump this water uphill is charged at a lower rate and then the water is released to go downhill and the hydro power energy that results is charged at a much higher rate so they can claim this mountain reservoir is energy neutral?

I can only speak on what I know.

I know there are lakes up in the Sierra(hwy 88 area from Kirkwood down to the Jackson area) where the power companies do move water from a higher level to a lower level where some pumping is involved to get the water where they have storage. This is true also for the Carson\Washoe Valley areas(Carson City and the Reno area). PG&E and Sierra power companies use these lakes to help make electricity. I'm pretty positive this is true of Eddison (L.A. power company) and I know San Joaquin Irrigation District uses hydro power also. The City of Modesto also gets some hydro electricity from the irrigation district there also. As discussed before here on this board, the Hetch Hetchy system, water is used to make electricity for the electric street cars.


My take on the drought is there has been no major storage capacity built in this state since the 70's yet the population of CA has grown and grown. I think this is true of all the western states since many areas are by nature, arid areas yet for some dumb reason, development occurred. You cant have a growing population without increasing the ability to store water for usage when needed yet that's what has been done. Californians have always assumed that it will always rain\snow every year the water that is needed.

I can't imagine what the pumping stations in Tracy and along the Interstate 5 use in electricity to move the water down the San Joaquin valley, then go up and over the mountains before the L.A. basin.

ARGOS
03-10-2009, 01:01 PM
You cant have a growing population without increasing the ability to store water for usage when needed yet that's what has been done. Californians have always assumed that it will always rain\snow every year the water that is needed.

I get flustered that the solution is to increase capacity without the mention of conservation. There is no mandated auditing, no public programs promoting conservation of water, no water municipal water scheduling. Damming everything is also going to create havoc to the aquifer.

I am not a big fan of desalination, but that might be the only way out for L.A. Here is an interesting article recently published in the AWWA magazine. (http://www.awwa.org/publications/OpFlowArticle.cfm?itemnumber=46365)

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-10-2009, 01:08 PM
I'll have to join to read that. Will do. On the surface desaltination seems very energy intense. Pretty interesting to think the oceans were originally fresh water and became salty due to earth runoff. Can you imagine our oceans a million years from now? Homo sapiens will never last long in the great scheme of things. We are too water dependent.

gusbuster
03-10-2009, 03:48 PM
I get flustered that the solution is to increase capacity without the mention of conservation. There is no mandated auditing, no public programs promoting conservation of water, no water municipal water scheduling. Damming everything is also going to create havoc to the aquifer.

I am not a big fan of desalination, but that might be the only way out for L.A. Here is an interesting article recently published in the AWWA magazine. (http://www.awwa.org/publications/OpFlowArticle.cfm?itemnumber=46365)

For the last 15 years, water conservation has been practiced in the City of Manteca. With the beginning of day light savings, all (this includes the city properties except where reclaimed water is used) residence are only allowed to use water for outside use on either an odd day or even day and all can water on Sunday. They can get fined for allowing excessive run off and have there water shut off in extreme cases.

So to say water conservation is not practiced is not to speak the truth. It would be fair to say that better practices need to be taught and mandated.

DanaMac
03-12-2009, 10:59 AM
There's a little theater production at the university my GF works at that looks entertaining

Urinetown

by Mark Hollman and Greg Kotis

UCCS STUDENT PRODUCTION

A drastic water shortage in a major metropolis has rendered private toilets inoperable, so people must now rely on “public amenities.” But the facilities are controlled by an evil corporation which keeps raising its prices for use, creating a revolting condition in the poorer classes. It’s easily the best bathroom joke in theatre history—and also the most original musical in recent memory.

Urinetown is a collaborative production by students and faculty in the Department of Visual and Performing Arts.

http://www.theatreworkscs.org/index.htm

Wet_Boots
03-12-2009, 11:15 AM
I remember that getting pretty good reviews.

DanaMac
03-12-2009, 11:42 AM
I remember that getting pretty good reviews.

Hope so. I think we'll see it next week.