whose machine will fall off first?

[Junior M]

Mine:
http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/Work016.jpg

or Kreft's:
http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/kreft.jpg

[Dirtman2007]

will it fall "of" or fall "off" lol

Probably yours, there's so many knots on krefts if can't go anywhere

That thumb is just stupid on that bobcat!

[kreft]

if you jinx me junior.........



haha chris, those knots is the excess strap.

[Junior M]

will it fall "of" or fall "off" lol

Probably yours, there's so many knots on krefts if can't go anywhere

That thumb is just stupid on that bobcat!
Its off, I fixed it.. :hammerhead: :laugh:

Your just hatin cause its Bobcat.. :realmad:

[Dirtman2007]

Its off, I fixed it.. :hammerhead: :laugh:

Your just hatin cause its Bobcat.. :realmad:

I bet that contraption on the front of the NH would dig faster:laugh:

[nosparkplugs]

Were using chains, the DOT stopped me two years ago, and gave me a warning about the nylon straps????? I guess each State is different.

[CAT powered]

Well, Junior. You've only got 2 points where the machine is actually tied to the trailer. Your other 2 points are on a hydraulic attachment. Plus you have no form of tiedown on the bucket/boom of the mini.

Kreft's machine has the boom somewhat secured in by the skid bucket and he is using the proper strap savers on sharp bucket edges. And I'm sure he's got another strap on the other side of the skid so that gives him 2 points on the rear of the machine and two on an attachment so basically they are tied down similarly, but Kreft does have his boom tied down whereas you do not.

Kreft's boom will not swing around in an accident so that is another thing going for him.

Both of you are pretty dumb for using straps instead of chains. So I'm going to give this as my final answer:

Both are about as useless as tiedowns could get, but Kreft's is less likely to damage other vehicles.

[Junior M]

Were using chains, the DOT stopped me two years ago, and gave me a warning about the nylon straps????? I guess each State is different.
Not here to discuss whats right and whats wrong, thats been beaten death here, so whose machine will fall off first? :laugh:

[kreft]

hahaha i win. sort of.

[Junior M]

Well, Junior. You've only got 2 points where the machine is actually tied to the trailer. Your other 2 points are on a hydraulic attachment. Plus you have no form of tiedown on the bucket/boom of the mini.

Kreft's machine has the boom somewhat secured in by the skid bucket and he is using the proper strap savers on sharp bucket edges. And I'm sure he's got another strap on the other side of the skid so that gives him 2 points on the rear of the machine and two on an attachment so basically they are tied down similarly, but Kreft does have his boom tied down whereas you do not.

Kreft's boom will not swing around in an accident so that is another thing going for him.

Both of you are pretty dumb for using straps instead of chains. So I'm going to give this as my final answer:

Both are about as useless as tiedowns could get, but Kreft's is less likely to damage other vehicles.
Dammit, does no one want to be on my side!? And its tied to the trailer at 4 spots, 2 front and 2 back. Boom is always locked...

[Junior M]

hahaha i win. sort of.
Oh, no, its not! We havent got everybody in here yet.. I think I am goin to lose though.. :realmad: :cry:

[CAT powered]

Are those straps hooked to the Undercarriage of that machine, Junior?

[Dirtman2007]

this is how ya'll kids need to do it,
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/006-32.jpg

4 points tied down to the machine. bucket, strapped down along with the other bucket.

And a real truck pulling it all:drinkup:

[P.Services]

that will all depend on who is driving!!!

[Dirtman2007]

ahhh what the hell, my 1000th post:weightlifter:

[Junior M]

Are those straps hooked to the Undercarriage of that machine, Junior?
the rear straps are hooked on the manufacturers tie down hooks, same with the front..

[Junior M]

ahhh what the hell, my 1000th post:weightlifter:
Yeah, thanks, just junk up the place with your post of useless knowledge! :laugh: :rolleyes:

[J. Peterson Grading]

I am going to say Jr's is going to come off first. The Rents up!!!!!!

J.

[kreft]

this is how ya'll kids need to do it,
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/006-32.jpg

4 points tied down to the machine. bucket, strapped down along with the other bucket.

And a real truck pulling it all:drinkup:

Your calling us kids and your driving a ford?:laugh: It's time to step off the tit and move up to a mans truck, a CHEVY! It's the american way:usflag:

[CAT powered]

Yea. That settles it. Junior's machine is falling off first.

He hooked to manufacturer tiedown points and the manufacturer is Bobcrap. Those are gonna fall off.

[kreft]

I am going to say Jr's is going to come off first. The Rents up!!!!!!

J.

ahhhh, classic. lol

[Dirtman2007]

Your calling us kids and your driving a ford?:laugh: It's time to step off the tit and move up to a mans truck, a CHEVY! It's the american way:usflag:

I'd like to see that trailer hooked behind that road hazard of a thing you call your truck!

[Dirtman2007]

Yeah, thanks, just junk up the place with your post of useless knowledge! :laugh: :rolleyes:

Fine no job your you... go shovel Sh*t as the horse farm all summer :laugh::laugh:

[Junior M]

Fine no job your you... go shovel Sh*t as the horse farm all summer :laugh::laugh:
Ah come on, I didnt talk s#it about your truck, Kreft did! :laugh:

[kreft]

it's already hooked up to the dumptruck. ??

[Junior M]

Yea. That settles it. Junior's machine is falling off first.

He hooked to manufacturer tiedown points and the manufacturer is Bobcrap. Those are gonna fall off.
Ah, now thats not fair! Your basing it off the machine, thats like juding a book by its cover! :nono:

:laugh:

[NateV]

Hey Chris do you have a CDL?

[AdvancedLawns]

How do we know if junior ties down the bucket or not? He may have been unloading the machine when he said "hey, let me get a pic of my bobcat and chevy!!" and actually had the bucket tied down before pics? Just stirrin the pot here

[kreft]

Ah come on, I didnt talk s#it about your truck, Kreft did! :laugh:

oh pleaseeee.:laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

it's already hooked up to the dumptruck. ??

I'm talking about my trailer on your new truck

[Junior M]

I'm talking about my trailer on your new truck
Bahaha, his new truck would start crying and attempt to run off only to fall to pieces.. :laugh: :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Hey Chris do you have a CDL?

No, I'm licensed for 24K

[CAT powered]

He wasn't unloading it. That picture was at his house.

Note the foot and a half tall grass.

[Junior M]

How do we know if junior ties down the bucket or not? He may have been unloading the machine when he said "hey, let me get a pic of my bobcat and chevy!!" and actually had the bucket tied down before pics? Just stirrin the pot here
Thank you for the support MSB..

[Junior M]

He wasn't unloading it. That picture was at his house.

Note the foot and a half tall grass.
Dam, I've been gotten!

:laugh:

[kreft]

I'm talking about my trailer on your new truck

haha, thats my personal ride. not work truck.

[NateV]

No, I'm licensed for 24K

Yeah but dont you need one to pull over 10K? I know your takkie is over that.

[Dirtman2007]

Thank you for the support MSB..

I think he was making fun of you, you incompetent redneck.:laugh::laugh:

[kreft]

Bahaha, his new truck would start crying and attempt to run off only to fall to pieces.. :laugh: :laugh:

and wut do you drive? oh wait..............




do you even have your learners?

[AdvancedLawns]

He wasn't unloading it. That picture was at his house.

Note the foot and a half tall grass.

ha! well his neighbor wanted him to dig a trench...so he figured, Why Not!! Bobcat to the rescue!!!

edit: i see a CAT rolling down the street to burry the bobcat.Your neighbor set u up

[Dirt Digger2]

well i won't say juniors machine will fall off first...because its not his machine

but i will say the bobcat is more likely to snap the straps and go for a ride

[kreft]

I think he was making fun of you, you incompetent redneck.:laugh::laugh:

Hey! we prefer Appalachian americans!!:laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Yeah but dont you need one to pull over 10K? I know your takkie is over that.

Nobody has ever told me to get one so it must be fine, my uncle had 26K on his truck. the tak along with the grapple and bucket are pushing 12- 13K+

I may be pushing 26k though!

[CAT powered]

A CDL is 26,001 pounds and above.

[AdvancedLawns]

ok..so the rental companies machine being pulled by juniors dad will fall off first? Then a Cat C32 ACERT rolled it over? Is that where this is going?

[NateV]

Ok i just looked it up.

PA makes you have a CDL if your pulling more then 10K so i kinda figured NC does too but they only require it for over 26K

[Junior M]

I think he was making fun of you, you incompetent redneck.:laugh::laugh:

Your one to talk! :laugh:

and wut do you drive? oh wait..............




do you even have your learners?

87 Bronco, 35's, 351 windsor, edelbrock headers. It'll run your little chevy over! :cool2: :laugh:

And its 23days and counting..

ha! well his neighbor wanted him to dig a trench...so he figured, Why Not!! Bobcat to the rescue!!!

edit: i see a CAT rolling down the street to burry the bobcat.Your neighbor set u up

:laugh: :laugh:

well i won't say juniors machine will fall off first...because its not his machine

but i will say the bobcat is more likely to snap the straps and go for a ride

I know its not, but for that weekend it was.. But dam! Come on, someone be on my side, maybe Rob? ;) :laugh:

Hey! we prefer Appalachian americans!!:laugh:

Thank you! :cool2: :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

A CDL is 26,001 pounds and above.

I brush the dirt cloggs off to get by:laugh:

[Junior M]

ok..so the rental companies machine being pulled by juniors dad will fall off first? Then a Cat C32 ACERT rolled it over? Is that where this is going?
Dammit.... :realmad:

[Junior M]

I brush the dirt cloggs off to get by:laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: dont forget the excess grease..

You'll weight it and it'll come to 26,000.5 :laugh: :laugh:

[kreft]

I brush the dirt cloggs off to get by:laugh:

you mean "mudd" cloggs.:laugh:

[AdvancedLawns]

OR is there now bobcat pieces that fell of the machine on the road? IM SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!

[Dirtman2007]

:laugh: :laugh: dont forget the excess grease..

You'll weight it and it'll come to 26,000.5 :laugh: :laugh:

I'll let a .5lb air out of the tire.





































How long did it take you it figure that one out:laugh:

[Junior M]

I'll let a .5lb air out of the tire.





































How long did it take you it figure that one out:laugh:
That wont work.. :laugh: I dont think, I am confused, you done went and got me thinking.. :hammerhead: :laugh:

[Junior M]

OR is there now bobcat pieces that fell of the machine on the road? IM SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!
Ah quit dissing Bobcat, yall are buying a T190 and already own a 323.. :hammerhead:

[AdvancedLawns]

im messing with u.. im on your side. Happy?

[Junior M]

im messing with u.. im on your side. Happy?
I know, I forgot the ":laugh:"

[AdvancedLawns]

No im not really on your side..i just like the fact that you have the bobcat, lol

CHAINS SUCK! im agreeing with you on that though..had a chain snap on me once, not fun

although they may be better for larger loads. Truckers use chains, we use straps

[Junior M]

No im not really on your side..i just like the fact that you have the bobcat, lol

CHAINS SUCK! im agreeing with you on that though..had a chain snap on me once, not fun

although they may be better for larger loads. Truckers use chains, we use straps
We had 3 or 4 chains snap while hauling equipment at work and they would never stay tight, its all what your used to using though..

[AdvancedLawns]

trust me im not saying that chains are wrong..but i would personally rather straps.im not dissing chains.lol

[CAT powered]

If you had chains snap you were doing something VERY wrong.

I used a grade 70 transport chain hooked to a 73,000lb dozer to upright a tipped triaxle dump.

I broke the 5/16 that I originally tried using since it was longer, but the 3/8 grade 70 held just fine.

Are you using snap-over binders or ratchet binders on your loads? If you use ratchet binders it's real easy to just tighten em up again. Snap over binders need to be taken off and they need more links taken up. Sometimes a ratchet binder needs it, but a lot of times you can just stop in a convenient place a couple miles down the road from your loading site and re-tighten the chains.

Straps come loose just like chains do, but it just isn't as evident since when you tighten them down they actually stretch a little and they un-scretch when they get loose so they still appear to be tight. Chains don't really stretch.

[Junior M]

If you had chains snap you were doing something VERY wrong.

I used a grade 70 transport chain hooked to a 73,000lb dozer to upright a tipped triaxle dump.

I broke the 5/16 that I originally tried using since it was longer, but the 3/8 grade 70 held just fine.

Are you using snap-over binders or ratchet binders on your loads? If you use ratchet binders it's real easy to just tighten em up again. Snap over binders need to be taken off and they need more links taken up. Sometimes a ratchet binder needs it, but a lot of times you can just stop in a convenient place a couple miles down the road from your loading site and re-tighten the chains.

Straps come loose just like chains do, but it just isn't as evident since when you tighten them down they actually stretch a little and they un-scretch when they get loose so they still appear to be tight. Chains don't really stretch.
The chains I put on never broke, it was always the bosses ;)

And its a pain to stop 3 or 4 miles down the road to tighten chains(Yeah, they were ratchet binders, not to keen on the snap over binders), never had a problem with loose straps..

[RockSet N' Grade]

Junior.......hint.......the chain that they sell at home depot to hold light fixtures to the ceiling is NOT to be used to tie down equipment. The chain you use to tie your dog to a spot in the yard is NOT to be used to tie down equipment.... :) Maybe that is why one of your chains broke.......just guessing....

[Dirtman2007]

If you hook the chains and binders like your suppose too, you should not have to pull over and retighten them.

[Dirtman2007]

Junior.......hint.......the chain that they sell at home depot to hold light fixtures to the ceiling is NOT to be used to tie down equipment. The chain you use to tie your dog to a spot in the yard is NOT to be used to tie down equipment.... :) Maybe that is why one of your chains broke.......just guessing....

The toolbox is held on with some bailing wire and bungee cords:laugh:

[Junior M]

Junior.......hint.......the chain that they sell at home depot to hold light fixtures to the ceiling is NOT to be used to tie down equipment. The chain you use to tie your dog to a spot in the yard is NOT to be used to tie down equipment.... :) Maybe that is why one of your chains broke.......just guessing....
Dam, now I know the problem.. :hammerhead: :laugh:

[CAT powered]

:laugh::laugh: Nice one, Rockset.

And Junior I guess thinking you were using a snap over was kinda dumb. You don't have enough weight in you to be able to cam one over.

You boys just don't have the muscles to throw chains around so you just pretend straps are better. I get it now.

I bet that in a while we'll see Junior with some 5/16 grade 70 on his Bobcrap.

BTW, Junior. We don't mean loading your Tonka trucks. We mean loading real trucks. :laugh:

[AdvancedLawns]

well it was a home depot rental TLB with their trailer and chains..maybe it was someone else that had a problem with the chain and it broke when we used it, who knows..well it was put on the right way..none of us could figure out how it would have snapped

[Junior M]

:laugh::laugh: Nice one, Rockset.

And Junior I guess thinking you were using a snap over was kinda dumb. You don't have enough weight in you to be able to cam one over.

You boys just don't have the muscles to throw chains around so you just pretend straps are better. I get it now.

I bet that in a while we'll see Junior with some 5/16 grade 70 on his Bobcrap.

BTW, Junior. We don't mean loading your Tonka trucks. We mean loading real trucks. :laugh:
I was thinking the same thing.. :laugh: I am actually against snapovers, just to dangerous imo, as skinny as I am, I'd be lucky to get it down with out it snapping back, I've heard quite a few horror stories of them snapping back and hurting guys real bad!

We might, but I doubt it, unless I start hauling equipment any bigger than a T250..

[RockSet N' Grade]

Junior.....If someone gives you a snapover, they are not your friend. Those things were designed by dentists and ambulance chasers that were low on work.....

[Stillwater]

the bobcat................

[stuvecorp]

I didn't feel like reading through all the posts, JR It doesn't matter if yours falls off(its a Bobcat):laugh::):waving:

[Scag48]

I'm with Stuve, if a Bobcat falls off, no loss there.

[ksss]

I'm with Stuve, if a Bobcat falls off, no loss there.



Except it would be littering.:laugh:

[coopers]

Why would you not use chains on those? I didn't feel like reading all those posts either.

[Gravel Rat]

The only straps I would use is the 4 inch that you use on flatbed trucks etc.

Using chains on a Bobcat machine would be pretty feeble anyways anything you hook the chains too on the machine would tear off anyhow.

Like I said when we used to haul rubber tracked mini excavators on flatdeck trucks we used to throw two 4 inch straps over the tracks and one over the boom. They never went anywhere.

[coopers]

we used to throw two 4 inch straps over the tracks and one over the boom. They never went anywhere.

Not something I'd like to chance...since you go to jail if you loose your load and cause a bad accident in this state.

[Gravel Rat]

The 4 inch straps have a 5000lb rating each so if you had 3 of them on a 7000lbs your definatly covered. Those same straps are used to hold 15 tons worth of lumber stacked on the truck.

The only time I use chains is on a machine that is 12,000lbs and larger.

[Junior M]

So, the famous GR admits to using straps on a 7,000 pound machine.. :nono: Looks like me and kreft arent the only ones that use them..

[kreft]

Hey juinor guess wut! I have no school today!

[Junior M]

Hey juinor guess wut! I have no school today!
I just saw that on FB, I hope yall atleast got snow, it didnt even frost here.. Yet Dean in Greenville is covered with snow! :realmad:

[talus]

My friend runs turf in the summer. He has those 4'' wide straps on his trailer. They do hold certian loads well. He snaps a couple a year. Maybe because they are out in the sun and weather? Who knows. I just don't think its worth the risk.

[bobcat_ron]

If the Bobcat fell off, no worries, but just remember, when you go camping, dig a hole for your sh*t, and like wise for the Bobcat if it fell of the trailer.

[Gravel Rat]

So, the famous GR admits to using straps on a 7,000 pound machine.. :nono: Looks like me and kreft arent the only ones that use them..

All I use on my F-450 is those ratchet straps I haven't broke one yet but as with any strap if its going over a sharp edge it will cut the strap.

I have worked with lowbedders chaining down all kinds of equipment so securing a mini excavator is nothing to chaining down a 50 ton log loader.

[Junior M]

All I use on my F-450 is those ratchet straps I haven't broke one yet but as with any strap if its going over a sharp edge it will cut the strap.

I have worked with lowbedders chaining down all kinds of equipment so securing a mini excavator is nothing to chaining down a 50 ton log loader.
there are straps that wont fray, in fact I've got some, they orange and they arent the same material as a regular strap and they've got some coating on them, I use them on attachments, hauling material, and purty soon, the bucket and blade on the 335...

[talus]

I have never had to chain down a big piece of equipment. The procedure should be the same though I would think. What would be different on chaining a 303 compared to a 330? I know they make heavier grade chain for larger loads(I've never seen anybody use it though). So wouldn't you still cross them at the four corners and one for the bucket?

[Gravel Rat]

With the 4 inch straps you can tighten them till the deck bends.

With the ratchet straps they can be tightened up tight when I hauled scrap vehicals I used to beable to dent the roof. I have used the ratchet straps to help pull a scrap car onto the deck.

[Gravel Rat]

The hardest trailer to strap a machine to is rail bed the machine is stitting on wood blocks that are sitting on two steel rails (trailer). With those loads I just watch because if they are not chained just right the load could shift real easy. Rail beds are used for equipment that are too tall for a regular lowbed.

Bigger the equipment bigger the chains and more it hurts if you get your finger pinched. I never beleived in ratchet binders till you use one. Work good just keep them out of the mud. Snap/lever binders are a thing of the past for me.

All lowbed operators are different they chain the machine down a little differently than others.

Anything with rubber tires is a pain to chain down it doesn't matter what it is.

[Dirt Digger2]

I have never had to chain down a big piece of equipment. The procedure should be the same though I would think. What would be different on chaining a 303 compared to a 330? I know they make heavier grade chain for larger loads(I've never seen anybody use it though). So wouldn't you still cross them at the four corners and one for the bucket?

4 point tie downs and one on every attachment...on machines with steel tracks you normally hook the binders directly to the track....like this


heres a good one for you strap lovers too....i have never been so white-knuckled in my life...got it home though

[Junior M]

Ok, dumb question dirt: What would be so white knuckle about it? Cause its so heavy?

[talus]

Dirt Digger. Are the chains supposed to be crossed? I have heard yes and no on this.

[Gravel Rat]

4 point tie downs and one on every attachment...on machines with steel tracks you normally hook the binders directly to the track....like this


heres a good one for you strap lovers too....i have never been so white-knuckled in my life...got it home though

That trailer is a little maxed out with that trackloader thats not a heavy trailer to start with because it has the 17.5 wheels or it looks like 17.5 wheels.

What is heavy is a Hitach Zaxis 200 on a tandem axle tilt tag trailer its heavy puts allot of weight on the tounge of the trailer and makes the truck see saw on the trunnion (spring suspension on truck).

You really do need a tag that has the low pro 22.5 wheels yes you loose some height but atleast the tires don't go squirmy on you. The 17.5 tires like to explode :laugh:

[CAT powered]

It's white-knuckle because he's got a large load and he's using straps.

Typically when I haul my 490 I hook one end of the binder to the edge of the trailer and one end to the track itself. Do that on the 4 corners. Then a chain over the boom.

I've been inspected with it chained down like that and haven't had a problem.

The difference between hauling a 303 and a 330 is the number of chains you have to use. I know a 330 weighs in around 70,000 pounds. So that means you need approximately 35,000 pounds worth of restraint on it. So you'd need 7 chains if they were rated at 5k each.

Versus you'd only need to do the 4 corners and boom on a 303 and you'd have 6x the amount of restraining power you needed to have.

You need to have 4 corners. Every hydraulic attachment. And then your restraints must be capable of holding half the machine's weight.

[talus]

Holy crap. There are some big guys around here that break the law. I see some guys that use the same size chains I use. I think there is a book/video I saw in Utility Contractor of how to properly chain bown equipment. I think it was like $300.

[Dirt Digger2]

Ok, dumb question dirt: What would be so white knuckle about it? Cause its so heavy?

look at it...that is an ugly load...1 strap/chain on each...top heavy as all hell...had to be careful on turns

Dirt Digger. Are the chains supposed to be crossed? I have heard yes and no on this.

i don't know how you are going to cross chains on large machines...you would need 200 feet of chains if you wanted to cross chains on large machines

That trailer is a little maxed out with that trackloader thats not a heavy trailer to start with because it has the 17.5 wheels or it looks like 17.5 wheels.

You really do need a tag that has the low pro 22.5 wheels yes you loose some height but atleast the tires don't go squirmy on you. The 17.5 tires like to explode :laugh:

those are both 20 ton tags big guy

[CAT powered]

What they rate each chain/binder combo at is dependent on which one is weaker. They take the rating of the weaker one.

EG: Chain is rated for 6600 and binder is rated for 5500. They will count that as 5500. Now don't automatically assume they aren't chaining down properly. They could have chains on that you don't necessarily see. On my 490 I have over 100% of the machine's weight in chains/binders. My chains and binders are rated for 6600 each. Times 5 chains/binders. The machine only weighs around 27,000 pounds.

[dozerman21]

That trailer is a little maxed out with that trackloader thats not a heavy trailer to start with because it has the 17.5 wheels or it looks like 17.5 wheels.

What is heavy is a Hitach Zaxis 200 on a tandem axle tilt tag trailer its heavy puts allot of weight on the tounge of the trailer and makes the truck see saw on the trunnion (spring suspension on truck).

You really do need a tag that has the low pro 22.5 wheels yes you loose some height but atleast the tires don't go squirmy on you. The 17.5 tires like to explode :laugh:

I have 17.5 tires on my 25 ton low boy trailer. What's wrong with that size? They do just fine for me, and I haul around 32,000 lbs. daily. DD's trailer is more than adequate for that loader.

[ClearViewGroup]

in VA if you use straps you get ticketed...and if your trailer is over 10k GVWR or if you truck and trailer combined are over 26k GVWR you need a class A cdl...

[talus]

:laugh:No wonder people bust my balls. I use 4 9200lb binders with grade 70 3/8 chain. Thats for the sr 80 8900lbs.

[Dirt Digger2]

I have 17.5 tires on my 25 ton low boy trailer. What's wrong with that size? They do just fine for me, and I haul around 32,000 lbs. daily. DD's trailer is more than adequate for that loader.

because he knows everything

[CAT powered]

Talus the 9200 binders are pretty pointless on grade 70 3/8. Grade 70 3/8 is only rated for somewhere around 6500 pounds.

And yes that is really overkill for your little ASV, but better overkill than inadequate.

[talus]

Yeah, better safe than sorry. Still better than straps I guess.:laugh:

[CAT powered]

DOT will never yell at you for over-securing your load. At least I haven't heard of it.......yet....

[Gravel Rat]

because he knows everything


Its up to you but I wouldn't run a trailer with 17.5 tires one they are hard to get or they are here and they don't carry the weight. The contractors here have been there done that with 17.5 wheels never again.

Maybe where you have straight roads they do fine start doing lots of turns the tires get extremely hot and wear fast.

One of the contractors I know bought a brandnew tag with the 17.5 wheels he had it less than 6 months and got rid of it and bought a brandnew tag with 22.5 low pro rubber.

[Dirt Digger2]

our roads are some of the windiest roads in PA...let alone America...the area I live is almost as old as the Country itself and all the paved roads were built right over the old cart paths...

the 17.5 tires handle the loads fine...we use to haul the 15ton trackhoe on it before we bought a lowboy


you always say what contractors do...but i gotta ask when was the last time you actually hauled something?

[RockSet N' Grade]

I overchain my equipment just out of habit and this little voice inside my head that tells me IF I am ever in an accident, I want to make sure I have done everything in my power to make sure everyone comes out alive. Oversecuring is a good thing.....especially when you see guys running around with a minimalist attitude - makes it hard on everyone.

[bobcat_ron]

Try telling that to my Dad, when the old bugger is in a rush, he ties knots in the excess chain with no binders, and if he does use a binder, it's loose enough to pull off the chain with out releasing it.

[Gravel Rat]

our roads are some of the windiest roads in PA...let alone America...the area I live is almost as old as the Country itself and all the paved roads were built right over the old cart paths...

the 17.5 tires handle the loads fine...we use to haul the 15ton trackhoe on it before we bought a lowboy


you always say what contractors do...but i gotta ask when was the last time you actually hauled something?


I haven't worked for a excavation contractor for 3 years now but I still around heavy equipment. And no contractor will use tag trailers with the 17.5 wheels.

The roads are really twisty here you know they are when steer tires on a gravel truck usually are worn out in 4 months if your lucky you can get 6 months out of them. Those are supersingle steer tires 425/65R22.5 they are 900 dollars each. The new requirement out here is 445/65R22.5 they are 1200 dollars each you have to run those or your not going to have a 20,000lb front axle rating.