Its started already..

[Junior M]

this is mostly a rant, so to begin with we'll start with the good news..

I, yes I got us a job, its not a money maker, but its some work.. Ok, now to the details:

Its on our subdivision, pulling all the brush and things off the bank and then pulling some of the fallen trees from the tornado out of the water. I'll get some pics tomorrow, I was to busy pulling tree's with the fourwheeler, selling the job to the guy thats paying for most of it and then of course really looking at how I am goin to do it. Now, I've got everything figured out, how I am goin to get into place, how I am goin to get it paid for, all that..

Now to the rant:

I come in and Dad is sitting on the couch and I tell him(cause I purty dam excited about getting some work finally) "Hey, goin to need the trackhoe so and so weekend," And he just jumps my ass, "I told you we wouldnt be able to swing it ourselves, what are we goin to do with the things on the trailer," and all this bullcrap before I even get to explain it. And he is setting here talking about "Oh, yeah we need to go cut these tree's here, and there," When I already have:hammerhead: And he keeps goin through all this crap, oh we need to go pull this tree here and we need to make some holes in the brush here, when I've already got rid of all of the tree and brush, all I've got to do is rake it up and pile it. He's already got all this stuff in his head that we ought to do when I am goin to have a hard enough time getting all this cleaned up and all these trees cut in 2 days. He's trying to control the job when I've already got it under control, I mean he didnt want a thing to do with it until I brought the equipment into the picture.


So sounds like my year is off to another great start..

Ok, I feel better, just had to rant a little bit..

[CAT powered]

Now do you see why I told you to get out on your own ASAP? I know you can't yet, but my advice still stands. Get out on your own ASAP.

[Junior M]

Now do you see why I told you to get out on your own ASAP? I know you can't yet, but my advice still stands. Get out on your own ASAP.
Oh, trust me, I plan on it, I am thinking of doing what a few members did and somewhat combinding them..

[Dirtman2007]

have you ever thought about just letting the fellow your working for rent them machine and you to operate it? leave pops out of the picture? I've done a couple side jobs like that.

[Junior M]

have you ever thought about just letting the fellow your working for rent them machine and you to operate it? leave pops out of the picture? I've done a couple side jobs like that.
Yeah, thats how we are goin to do it, he's goin to pay me, I am goin to cover fuel (since we all share the pond we should share expenses imo) and all Dad has to do is pick up the machine, return it and give the check to the guy at Bobcat.. Dad would be out of the picture if it werent for sharing the trailer and he having the only 3/4ton in the neighborhood..

[Dirtman2007]

Yeah, thats how we are goin to do it, he's goin to pay me, I am goin to cover fuel (since we all share the pond we should share expenses imo) and all Dad has to do is pick up the machine, return it and give the check to the guy at Bobcat.. Dad would be out of the picture if it werent for sharing the trailer and he having the only 3/4ton in the neighborhood..

they deliver for $75.00

[Junior M]

Oh yeah, Chris or anybody with tree trimming/tree removal, I am goin to need some advice, I got a big pine to cut that has fallen over the back of the dam and needs to be cut so I can get across.. I'll get some pics before I really ask what to do..

[Junior M]

they deliver for $75.00
that was brought up, I cant get my deal on rental if I dont pick it up at the dealership and return it to the dealership..

[Junior M]

goin to get pics today, sorry didnt get them earlier had alot goin on..

[JB1]

thats what dads do, we just go off on the kids cause they don't know what to do, then when they do it right we call them smartasses.

[Junior M]

Alright, lets start with an almost total overview of this mess..

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond002.jpg

This is actually the easy part.. :dizzy:

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond005.jpg

Now, to the biggest issue, the tree...

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond001.jpg

As you can tell, its got some bow in it, both at the top and at the back of the dam.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond006.jpg

My buddy has an idea to climb out on the end of the tree, top it, and then cut it into chunks on the way back, but my thing with that is you can see where the top is bowing the tree and I can just about guess whats goin to happen, he's goin to be cutting about halfway through the tree and its goin to snap and split the tree down the middle, who knows how far back, causing alot of havoc, possibly hurting someone.. So my question is, after looking at these pics what do I need to do to get rid of this tree?

So here's the bow the top is causing:
http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond007.jpg

And here is an okay pic of the bow at the dam:
http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond008.jpg

[YellowDogSVC]

That tree has the potential to hurt you. Your buddy needs to be more than a dude with a saw or he can become catapult fodder. I work with big, dangerous trees all the time as a helper for another tree company. Your concept is okay but the buddy needs to be a climber and needs to be tied off with harness.

See below about safety and pulleys. A good climber (tied off of course) can cut that tree in pieces and a pulley or rope can pull the pieces to the bank safely.

junior, make sure you start off right. Hire an INSURED and safety conscious tree trimmer. DON'T cut corners on taking down big trees with a chainsaw. It's the quickest way to kill someone or yourself. You can also get a lot of people in trouble if something happens and you are operating a chainsaw on a commercial job.

It is worth subbing out the dangerous work for the experience. Always wear a hard hat working with those big trees. No exceptions! Trust me, you start off right with tree trimming and you can have a side business that makes good money but you can also end up hurt or damage machinery or structures. Trees are very heavy and storm damaged trees are dangerous. Learn about them from a real expert and you will have a marketable expertise.

You may want to invest in a good pulley or block and tackle if you have a lot of trees to move over difficult terrain or in tough areas. The pulley concept can allow you to pull at odd angles and reduce effort tremendously. 2 or more pulleys is even better but they have to be heavy duty. The newer aluminum ones are nice but pricey. A heavy duty galvanized pulley will do the job but they aren't as pretty! ;)

[Junior M]

I got a block ready to roll, the trees in the water on the side of the tree I am taking pics on(if that makes sense;)) there are only 2 trees, one pine and one oak, I should be able to pick straight up on them. Its the othe side that is goin to be hard, a whole lot more and bigger trees, thats the side that worries me.. I can get around to the other side of that tree with out cutting it, but it'd be nice if I could get it out of the way while I got the machine on the job.. But if I dont its no big deal...

But if he did climb out on it and top it I planned on tying the bullrope to it and dragging it in.. I really dont wanna do it that way, way to dangerous like you said.. I am goin to call a guy Dad rides with to come out and look at it, I've been thinking of that all along, but it'd be a whole lot easier on everyone if we could do it in house..


Oh yeah, forgot to say, all the trees I didnt cut have been there since March 15th of last year, this is what an F1 tornado will do, and we've put 11hours on the T190 just clearing a trail as wide as the bobcat around the pond...

[FYS777]

what kind of machine will you have, and are you trying to save the wood or cut it up for fire wood??

[Junior M]

Yellow, do you think this will be enough do this with?

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/block.jpg

[Junior M]

what kind of machine will you have, and are you trying to save the wood or cut it up for fire wood??
Just trying to get it out of the pond, using the 335 like always, the guy I am doing it with brought up getting a big machine in there, but no way you could get it in there, this is the trail I've got around the pond..

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/pond003.jpg

[Bleed Green]

we had a tornado here a few years ago. cleanup can be the most dangerous part of the whole ordeal. I would say don't climb out on the tree over the water that is just asking for trouble. Is there anyway you can pull it up on the bank more with the excavator and get to it easier? At least that way you wouldn't be over the water if you did want to try to climb on it and cut it up.

[Junior M]

we had a tornado here a few years ago. cleanup can be the most dangerous part of the whole ordeal. I would say don't climb out on the tree over the water that is just asking for trouble. Is there anyway you can pull it up on the bank more with the excavator and get to it easier? At least that way you wouldn't be over the water if you did want to try to climb on it and cut it up.
It just fell over, the tornado put a little hurt on it and a bad windstorm we had a few weeks back finished it off, no way we could pick it up, the tree is actually still kind of rooted to the ground. it actually fell over like a hardwood does, a pine will usually break before it falls over. But I am just trying to get it off the top part of the dam so we can get our fourwheelers around the dam and of course we've got to get the trackhoe past it..

[Bleed Green]

hey jr. were you talking in the other page about getting out on your own as far as work or living?

[Junior M]

hey jr. were you talking in the other page about getting out on your own as far as work or living?
Work, I think I got a few more years before I move out, I am only 14(will be 15 in 16 days:cool2:)

[FYS777]

It just fell over, the tornado put a little hurt on it and a bad windstorm we had a few weeks back finished it off, no way we could pick it up, the tree is actually still kind of rooted to the ground. it actually fell over like a hardwood does, a pine will usually break before it falls over. But I am just trying to get it off the top part of the dam so we can get our fourwheelers around the dam and of course we've got to get the trackhoe past it..

simple, start cuttin straight down through it at wast high, here is what will happen, you'll start cutting, it will split and lay down in water and on road when you get about a 1/3 way cut through, then you can do whatever you wont with it, that simple, then pull it out of water with track hoe.

[Junior M]

simple, start cuttin straight down through it at wast high, here is what will happen, you'll start cutting, it will split and lay down in water and on road when you get about a 1/3 way cut through, then you can do whatever you wont with it, that simple, then pull it out of water with track hoe.
The bottom half thats laying on the back of the dam wont be loaded? Never figured it would be that simple.. :cool2:

[FYS777]

The bottom half thats laying on the back of the dam wont be loaded? Never figured it would be that simple.. :cool2:

being uprooted, it probably wont raise more then a foot or to two. its all loaded because of the weight, you cut it like that and it should do like i describe, let me now, how it went

[Junior M]

being uprooted, it probably wont raise more then a foot or to two. its all loaded because of the weight, you cut it like that and it should do like i describe, let me now, how it went
Well if you read about a 14yr old being thrown into a pond on a trackhoe, you'll know who it was.. :laugh:

I was all fine about doing that, until you said SHOULD Well, guess theres no way to find out unless you do it..

[FYS777]

with the split side still connected go to the waters side of road and cut it of completely there, and then finish up, don't get your blade pinch.

[FYS777]

Well if you read about a 14yr old being thrown into a pond on a trackhoe, you'll know who it was.. :laugh:

I was all fine about doing that, until you said SHOULD Well, guess theres no way to find out unless you do it..

If your cutting it you wont be on the track hoe.

[Junior M]

with the split side still connected go to the waters side of road and cut it of completely there, and then finish up, don't get your blade pinch.
Ok, if I started the cut on the top of the tree, it shouldnt pinch anywhere should it?

[Junior M]

If your cutting it you wont be on the track hoe.
Oh, no, I am not cutting it, the guy helping me is.... This is what he wanted to do, this was all his idea I am just trying to get it out of my way so I can do what I am suppose to..

Besides, I am goin to be on the machine the whole time, I should let him run something with a motor on it, right? :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Its really not that bad, I'd take the mini ex first before I cut the tree and see if i could reach out and maybe pull the tree back parallel with the dam. you may be surprised that it way actually move. Then again it may not. plan B would be taking the chainsaw and cutting the tree right where the truck is hitting the backside of the dam. Most likely it will split once you cut about 50% thought it. then just finished cutting it free, make sure you have a spotter to yell if he see's something you don't when cutting.

Once it's cut off just take a chain or strap and rap it around the long and drag the top out, being in the water it will float some have have less resistance when dragging. I done them both ways and have always got them done. just take your time and ask any question.

Btw, I'd take the 210 down that dam, there's plenty of room, as long as some of the tracks are on it on both sides I'm good!

[Bleed Green]

oh ha didnt realize you were that young Jr. I thought you were talking about having a truck the other day so i thought you were older than that sorry. Anyway have you decided anything on the tree problem?

[Junior M]

oh ha didnt realize you were that young Jr. I thought you were talking about having a truck the other day so i thought you were older than that sorry. Anyway have you decided anything on the tree problem?
I do have a truck, 87 Bronc, I'll be driving by myself in 6months. SC has some weird laws.. :laugh:

[Junior M]

Its really not that bad, I'd take the mini ex first before I cut the tree and see if i could reach out and maybe pull the tree back parallel with the dam. you may be surprised that it way actually move. Then again it may not. plan B would be taking the chainsaw and cutting the tree right where the truck is hitting the backside of the dam. Most likely it will split once you cut about 50% thought it. then just finished cutting it free, make sure you have a spotter to yell if he see's something you don't when cutting.

Once it's cut off just take a chain or strap and rap it around the long and drag the top out, being in the water it will float some have have less resistance when dragging. I done them both ways and have always got them done. just take your time and ask any question.

Btw, I'd take the 210 down that dam, there's plenty of room, as long as some of the tracks are on it on both sides I'm good!
I'll try, I've pulled bigger trees out of this pond(That were actually in the water) with the 430, so I can be a little cocky with what the 335 will pull..

Of course you'd take a 210 down that dam, any normal sane person wouldnt.. :laugh: It really is narrower than it looks, get around to where this fallen pine is and it would get mighty tight, you might scratch the countweight back there.. :laugh:

I thought about calling Kaiser and getting him to send his 160 out here, that way if I rolled it, it was no loss, it was just a Case right? :laugh: :laugh:

[Junior M]

oh ha didnt realize you were that young Jr. I thought you were talking about having a truck the other day so i thought you were older than that sorry. Anyway have you decided anything on the tree problem?
Goin to try what Chris said with dragging backwards, maybe. But so far I think cutting straight down like FYS said is goin to be Plan B, just have to look at it before I decide if I'll pull it or not..

[Gravel Rat]

Quit being a chicken chit take the saw make a vee notch under where you are going to cut from the top. You make the V notch 1/4 of the way into the tree and cut the triangle piece out. Start making a cut from the top over the notch till your amost through the end in the water will sag down and just carefully cut through. The end will drop so watch your legs.

Not rocket science I maybe more fearless because I have been using a chainsaw for over 16 years falling trees to bucking firewood.

You may have to cut the branches off when its laying down on the bank so it doesn't dig into the dirt. If it doesn't want to pull cut chunks off of it or cut it into firewood rounds right there.

When you play with 36 inch diameter trees that little pole is nothing :laugh:

[FYS777]

o brother rat, that much weight hangin sure to pinch the blade if you cut from underneath, just cut from the top no chance of pinching.

Junior are you track hoe, just how big, forgive me if I don't recognize the numbers, how wide are the tracks, 8 foot, 10 feet wide, this will give me idea how big.??

[Dirtman2007]

o brother rat, that much weight hangin sure to pinch the blade if you cut from underneath, just cut from the top no chance of pinching.

Junior are you track hoe, just how big, forgive me if I don't recognize the numbers, how wide are the tracks, 8 foot, 10 feet wide, this will give me idea how big.??

machine probably weighs less than 10k

its a mini excavator

[Junior M]

machine probably weighs less than 10k

its a mini excavator
Weights right around 10 to 11k... Believe its 78in wide, not sure, dont really know the specs on it..

[FYS777]

machine probably weighs less than 10k

its a mini excavator

Hey thanks, I think with that he might be able to fish it out of the pond little at a time, depends how good he is on it,:) I used to 75 to 85 k machines 10 to 12 feet wide tracks.

[Junior M]

Hey thanks, I think with that he might be able to fish it out of the pond little at a time, depends how good he is on it,:)
I am getting vid, you'll find out.. :cool2: :laugh:

I plan on block and tackling that tree out or using one of the other methods I figured out before I had the bloack..

[Gravel Rat]

o brother rat, that much weight hangin sure to pinch the blade if you cut from underneath, just cut from the top no chance of pinching.

Junior are you track hoe, just how big, forgive me if I don't recognize the numbers, how wide are the tracks, 8 foot, 10 feet wide, this will give me idea how big.??


If he carefully cuts a shallow V notch in the bottom it shouldn`t pinch it would be better than having the tree split.

If the tree does decide to split it may get the guy using the saw right in the face. Junior probably doesn`t have access to a fast enough or powerfull enough saw to cut in one shot.

A electric bread knife doesn`t cut that fast don`t you know :laugh:

[Junior M]

If he carefully cuts a shallow V notch in the bottom it shouldn`t pinch it would be better than having the tree split.

If the tree does decide to split it may get the guy using the saw right in the face. Junior probably doesn`t have access to a fast enough or powerfull enough saw to cut in one shot.

A electric bread knife doesn`t cut that fast don`t you know :laugh:
Uh, yeah, got a saw to cut it with.. Stihl 290 :weightlifter:

[FYS777]

If he carefully cuts a shallow V notch in the bottom it shouldn`t pinch it would be better than having the tree split.

If the tree does decide to split it may get the guy using the saw right in the face. Junior probably doesn`t have access to a fast enough or powerfull enough saw to cut in one shot.

A electric bread knife doesn`t cut that fast don`t you know :laugh:

only if his standing over the tree, hopefully he takes two saws, if he does the undercut, 1/2 inche to far and hung tight, don't forget to take two saws junior. :clapping::clapping:

[Junior M]

dont have much experience with cutting trees that are loaded that I couldnt just move with the trackhoe or bobcat, I think I'll just cut straight down, no way of hanging that way..

And I'll have 2 saws on hand, no reason to run a 24in bar saw when just limbing trees, so I'll have my 210.. :weightlifter:

[Gravel Rat]

Cut all the branches off leave the tree there you have a perfect diving platform you can practice your swan dive :drinkup:

What ever you do just becarefull if you don`t have experience playing with trees and chainsaws you can hurt yourself pretty good.

[Junior M]

Cut all the branches off leave the tree there you have a perfect diving platform you can practice your swan dive :drinkup:

What ever you do just becarefull if you don`t have experience playing with trees and chainsaws you can hurt yourself pretty good.
I'll be careful, I wont be running the saw, I'll either get Dad to take a break from his busy life to come cut it or my buddy will cut it, they've got more experience with saws than I do..

[Gravel Rat]

Tell your dad when he cuts it he should straddle the tree then you won`t have to worry about him nagging at you he will be in a little pain for a few days.

The worst thing that can happen is if the tree does decide to shatter I don`t have much experience with pine trees we don`t have many here.

You get a Alder tree in a situation like that soon as you start cutting from the top and half way through it will spit. Alder trees under some tension are killers.

The reason why I say cut a notch in the bottom side is it takes the stress off the tree. The tree has somewhere to go ie bend when your cutting from the top.

What ever you do is never cut close to the stump end of the tree when its being levered like that. Once you cut that end off it can pop up and get you right in the mush you will be a real redneck with some missing teeth :laugh:

[Junior M]

Tell your dad when he cuts it he should straddle the tree then you won`t have to worry about him nagging at you he will be in a little pain for a few days.

The worst thing that can happen is if the tree does decide to shatter I don`t have much experience with pine trees we don`t have many here.

You get a Alder tree in a situation like that soon as you start cutting from the top and half way through it will spit. Alder trees under some tension are killers.

The reason why I say cut a notch in the bottom side is it takes the stress off the tree. The tree has somewhere to go ie bend when your cutting from the top.

What ever you do is never cut close to the stump end of the tree when its being levered like that. Once you cut that end off it can pop up and get you right in the mush you will be a real redneck with some missing teeth :laugh:
:laugh: He's in enough pain with the wreck, I'll leave him be..

But the reason I am not goin to have him notch it is cause if ya go just a half inch to far, boom, got a saw stuck thats goin to get thrown some where when the trees pops..

[Dirtman2007]

Uh, yeah, got a saw to cut it with.. Stihl 290 :weightlifter:

yeah thats a kids saw, I we use nothing smaller that a 034 (same as 340 new saw) I my usual saw is a 036 pro with a 20" bar, when that craps out (which will never happen) were going to upgrade to a new shihl 460!

I wish I had pics of some of the tree's I've cut. All the way around with a 20" bar and still did not cut some all the way through.
but here's a somewhat big tree.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/009-35.jpg

[Junior M]

Chris, its a 20in bar to... And its not my saw, so dont give me hell.. :nono: :laugh:

[Gravel Rat]

You need the exercise so why do you break out the hacksaws with some extra fine blades :laugh:

The problem with a short bar plunging into a large tree can cause kick back because the bar tip crawls up the wood quicker that you can say oh crap.

What happens when it kicks back it will get you in the shoulder or chest.

With that tiny little tree I could do that job with my MS260 with a 24 inch bar have that tree cut down in less than 5 minutes. Buck the limbs off get a cable around the end of the tree hook it to a machine and yard it up cut the rest of the tree up.

[FYS777]

You need the exercise so why do you break out the hacksaws with some extra fine blades :laugh:

The problem with a short bar plunging into a large tree can cause kick back because the bar tip crawls up the wood quicker that you can say oh crap.

What happens when it kicks back it will get you in the shoulder or chest.

With that tiny little tree I could do that job with my MS260 with a 24 inch bar have that tree cut down in less than 5 minutes. Buck the limbs off get a cable around the end of the tree hook it to a machine and yard it up cut the rest of the tree up.

I guess that why real fallers use 32 to 36 inch bars on there saws to cut 4to 6 foot trees with, if you think you need a bar the same lenght as the diameter of the tree, [/B], 24 inch bar will easily cut a 4 foot tree, and pine will just split down, not shatter, and I could get it cut in two minutes or less with an 18 inch bar!!:weightlifter:

[FYS777]

What ever you do is never cut close to the stump end of the tree when its being levered like that. Once you cut that end off it can pop up and get you right in the mush you will be a real redneck with some missing teeth
Gravel Rat
Are you speaking from experience?? show me your teeth:laugh::laugh:

[riverwalklandscaping]

Ok, if I started the cut on the top of the tree, it shouldnt pinch anywhere should it?

No offense but the thought of a 14 year old cutting down that tree when you don't even know which side of the tree to cut on sends shivers down my spine. Trees don't always do what makes sense. I really think you should let someone else cut this tree. If we were doing it we would put a loose line on the tree NOT tied to anything other than the tree itself and once it was cut we would take that line/cable and pull the tree out. That tree will float and it will be easy to pull out. There is no reason for a climber to go out on that tree and top it, that is just about the worst idea. It sounds logical that the tree would just lie down, but depending on how the branches that are facing down into the pond slow down the fall the tree could twist quickly, but of the tree could easily kick up because its pivoting on the bank of the pond, and/or the tree could split while you are cutting it. Any of these things could happen so fast that you could be knocked down, crushed, or have your saw kicked up into your face before you can even think to try to get out of the way. Chain saws are very dangerous and I really think this job would be better off left to a more seasoned saw guy. But thats just my 2 cents.

Here is a diagram sorry I suck in paint. Are you planning on cutting at point 1 or 2. I would cut at 1 if it was me doing it. Also one thing is that even though all this bad stuff could happen, the tree might also fall perfectly easily and simply and be the most boring thing in the world. But the fact you don't know to me says that an expert should do the job.

Also forgot to mention scenario 2 can vary greatly depending on if there is play in the stump, infact the whole stump could come out of the ground if its not still in good. I doubt that would happen but I have seen it happen so you never know. Either way I just think cutting at point 2 is a bad idea.

[Junior M]

I've already decided what to do, dont give me hell for what I dont know, I got to learn some how, and there is only one way to do that, ask questions and do it..

Is 2 down at the stump of the tree? If so, no, that is on someone elses property, if 1 is on the right side of my ROW, then yes, thats where I'll be cutting.. And how many times do I have to say this, I WONT BE RUNNING THE SAW my buddy will, I am the bossman basically, I am handling how everything is done. If it comes down to it and I've got to cut the tree, I will, gotta do what ya gotta do..

[Gravel Rat]

What ever you do is never cut close to the stump end of the tree when its being levered like that. Once you cut that end off it can pop up and get you right in the mush you will be a real redneck with some missing teeth
Gravel Rat
Are you speaking from experience?? show me your teeth:laugh::laugh:

Nope not from experience its from what I have been taught.

As for bar length when your plunging a saw with a short bar into the wood it can kick back at you especially when bucking and your leaning into it.

[FYS777]

Nope not from experience its from what I have been taught.

As for bar length when your plunging a saw with a short bar into the wood it can kick back at you especially when bucking and your leaning into it.

We aren't talking about cutting it off at the butt and letting the tree barber chair, thats a no brainer! and as long as you say you've cut wood you should know that you don't plunge a saw into the wood! when your bar isn't long enough you start on the side away from you and bring the saw towards you as you cut, I can tell that you really haven't cut any big wood or you would know this?

[freddyc]

I've already decided what to do, dont give me hell for what I dont know, I got to learn some how, and there is only one way to do that, ask questions and do it..

Is 2 down at the stump of the tree? If so, no, that is on someone elses property, if 1 is on the right side of my ROW, then yes, thats where I'll be cutting.. And how many times do I have to say this, I WONT BE RUNNING THE SAW my buddy will, I am the bossman basically, I am handling how everything is done. If it comes down to it and I've got to cut the tree, I will, gotta do what ya gotta do..



Well, if you're "the bossman" I hope you have plenty of insurance.


The branches in the water will hit the bottom and the tree will twist.

FYI---- this is no tree to "learn" on.
Too many variables as already pointed out to you.
I think your chest is bigger than your brain on this one and remember that the last thing a big shot says before he's killed is "watch this!".

Good luck... bring a second saw, a couple wedges, and a first aid kit. Have a cell phone ready with 911 on speed dial.

[Gravel Rat]

The largest wood I have bucked into rounds is 60 inches a big chunk of doug fir using a 051 with a 36 inch bar.

Oh ya I have been using chainsaws since I was 14 I'am 33 now spent many years cutting firewood. I learned from fallers with many years of experience. The largest tree I have dropped is a 40 inch at the butt western red cedar I don't remember the height but it was over 100 feet tall scary part the center was soft but I dropped her anyways.

Never did want to become a faller and the fallers I know said don't get into the trade. These guys come from generations of fallers the money was good at 300-500 dollars a day.

You can't forget that B.C. process more wood or used to process more wood than Pacific Northwest produces.

[FYS777]

Well, if you're "the bossman" I hope you have plenty of insurance.


The branches in the water will hit the bottom and the tree will twist.

FYI---- this is no tree to "learn" on.
Too many variables as already pointed out to you.
I think your chest is bigger than your brain on this one and remember that the last thing a big shot says before he's killed is "watch this!".

Good luck... bring a second saw, a couple wedges, and a first aid kit. Have a cell phone ready with 911 on speed dial.
No i don't think so I have been in the logging idust. for 25 years, and no big shot here I believe know what I'm talking about. It will come down just as I mentioned.

[FYS777]

The largest wood I have bucked into rounds is 60 inches a big chunk of doug fir using a 051 with a 36 inch bar.

Oh ya I have been using chainsaws since I was 14 I'am 33 now spent many years cutting firewood. I learned from fallers with many years of experience. The largest tree I have dropped is a 40 inch at the butt western red cedar I don't remember the height but it was over 100 feet tall scary part the center was soft but I dropped her anyways.

Never did want to become a faller and the fallers I know said don't get into the trade. These guys come from generations of fallers the money was good at 300-500 dollars a day.

You can't forget that B.C. process more wood or used to process more wood than Pacific Northwest produces.

I was 25 years in the logging indust, So why did you use a bar to short to fall the tree or buck it up, u just countered your to short of bar theory, whats up with that?? I lived the experience, do I need to say more.I have pics on the axmen thread,

[Gravel Rat]

I used a 28 inch bar to fall a 40 inch tree the one side of the tree I had troubles standing because of the sloping bank.

Like I said its the largest tree I have dropped I probably shouldn't have tried it myself.

The faller that came in to do the rest of the job said I did pretty good for the conditions.

Here in B.C. most wood is second growth if you start cutting old growth you will have a enviromentalist suing your azz off. Right now logging in B.C. is slow because the USA housing market died off there is no demand for lumber in the USA.

Handfalling is becoming a dying trade with the use of bunchers and the wood isn't any bigger than 36 inches in diameter. Any steep mountainous is heli logged now.

[FYS777]

I know what you mean, I got out of logging around 6 years ago, I started in 79, when logging was still logging, ya no kidding about the decline, my brother is a boss in one of the local mills here, doing QC and selling lumber, he dosen't no how much longer they will be running, maybe another couple weeks, it aint like it used to be for sure.

[Junior M]

Well, if you're "the bossman" I hope you have plenty of insurance.


The branches in the water will hit the bottom and the tree will twist.

FYI---- this is no tree to "learn" on.
Too many variables as already pointed out to you.
I think your chest is bigger than your brain on this one and remember that the last thing a big shot says before he's killed is "watch this!".

Good luck... bring a second saw, a couple wedges, and a first aid kit. Have a cell phone ready with 911 on speed dial.
If it hits bottom, its goin a long way down, I've been on and around this pond almost everyday for five years. And if it twists, I am not sure how it will..

And so what if I am cocky, I cant be intimidated by a job, if I turned down every job that intimidated me I'd never have work.. Plus, a challenge is always fun.. :cool2:

[FYS777]

Hi junior, you'll do just fine, can't wait to see video, how long before you do the job?

[Junior M]

Hi junior, you'll do just fine, can't wait to see video, how long before you do the job?
got some grading and stump removal this week will be hitting it 2 days straight the 21st and 22nd of this month.. Atleast thats the schedule, something may change..

and I hope I'll do fine, like I said before, if it comes down to it and we icksnay cutting it ourselves, I'll load up the trackhoe drive down the street and track in the other way.

[Dirtman2007]

got some grading and stump removal this week will be hitting it 2 days straight the 21st and 22nd of this month.. Atleast thats the schedule, something may change..

and I hope I'll do fine, like I said before, if it comes down to it and we icksnay cutting it ourselves, I'll load up the trackhoe drive down the street and track in the other way.

Do you need me to come down and give you a hand for that weekend? I'll even help run the bobcrap if need be. You pay for my fuel:weightlifter:

I'd hate to see you get killed with that tree, I'd have nobody to pick on then:cry:

[Junior M]

Do you need me to come down and give you a hand for that weekend? I'll even help run the bobcrap if need be. You pay for my fuel:weightlifter:

I'd hate to see you get killed with that tree, I'd have nobody to pick on then:cry:
Yeah, and then I wouldnt have a job in a couple years.. :cry: :rolleyes::laugh:

And you can only run the Bobcat if you run bassackwards controls.. :cool2: :laugh:

And I am already paying for the fuel and doing the work on this, dont think I need another fuel bill.. :dizzy:

[Dirtman2007]

Yeah, and then I wouldnt have a job in a couple years.. :cry: :rolleyes::laugh:

And you can only run the Bobcat if you run bassackwards controls.. :cool2: :laugh:

And I am already paying for the fuel and doing the work on this, dont think I need another fuel bill.. :dizzy:

No I'd just stand around, prolly lean on the shovel while I give you pointers. Pick a warm day so I can work on my tan too:laugh:

[Junior M]

No I'd just stand around, prolly lean on the shovel while I give you pointers. Pick a warm day so I can work on my tan too:laugh:
Prolly be more like an ax or tree:laugh:

the shovels wont come off the truck(thank god, some how I always end up on one?;) :laugh:)

Oh, if your coming down, you could bring the takkie and grapple! It'd make this job a whole lot easier.. :laugh: :rolleyes: Plus, I'd like a little seat time in that beast.. :weightlifter:

[stuvecorp]

JR, just don't cut off any limbs.:nono::)

[CAT powered]

He means ones attached to you, Junior. Not the tree.

[Dirtman2007]

He means ones attached to you, Junior. Not the tree.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[FYS777]

He means ones attached to you, Junior. Not the tree.

Come on guys don't scare him outa cuttin the tree I want video, according to youall , he's going to start cuttin and its going to kick back hit him in the chest and then the tree is going to slap him, and probably role over him and come up with teeth missin, and now he aint gonig to have any limbs, and then this tree going to pull his track hoe in the drink. O and I foregot he might get thrown in the air like a catapult, sounds like video materiel to me.:laugh::laugh::clapping:

[Junior M]

He means ones attached to you, Junior. Not the tree.
I got that.. :laugh: :laugh:

[riverwalklandscaping]

lol sorry didn't see someone else was cutting the tree. Like I said it will probably fall simply and boring, but who knows that's why safteys key.. never know whats happening. I like FYS's post lol the tree is gonna jump up, run over let the air out of your tires, break a sprocket on the skid steers tracks, give you food poisoning, sleep with your girlfriend, and then foreclose on your house lol

[Junior M]

lol sorry didn't see someone else was cutting the tree. Like I said it will probably fall simply and boring, but who knows that's why safteys key.. never know whats happening. I like FYS's post lol the tree is gonna jump up, run over let the air out of your tires, break a sprocket on the skid steers tracks, give you food poisoning, sleep with your girlfriend, and then foreclose on your house lol
:laugh: And dont forget land on my truck and bend the frame on my trailer.. :laugh:

[CAT powered]

Junior don't you mean your daddy's truck?

Or do you mean the Bronco (I think it was a Bronco?)

By the way have you even done that clearing job for those horse people yet?

[Lakewlc]

Junior don't you mean your daddy's truck?

Or do you mean the Bronco (I think it was a Bronco?)

By the way have you even done that clearing job for those horse people yet?

yeah daddy's truck and trailer.

[Junior M]

Junior don't you mean your daddy's truck?

Or do you mean the Bronco (I think it was a Bronco?)

By the way have you even done that clearing job for those horse people yet?
That weekend its goin to be mine! :cool2: its right down the street, and I am hoping he'll let me handle it, so I can handle everything..

[Junior M]

yeah daddy's truck and trailer.
Thats a big negative Ross, keep your BS in the max out the hits thread, dont bring it in here, please?

And its our trailer, his pickup..

[CAT powered]

But at the end of the day your daddy's name is still on the title. And do you even have your license yet?

If you get arrested don't expect Chris to come running to bail you out. It's too hard to run in flip flops.

[Dirtman2007]

But at the end of the day your daddy's name is still on the title. And do you even have your license yet?

If you get arrested don't expect Chris to come running to bail you out. It's too hard to run in flip flops.

You got that right,

What that song by Jimmy buffet... Blew out a flip flop... stepped on a pop top... :laugh:

[Junior M]

No I dont have my license yet, and it isnt like down the road, this pond is across the street, remember that vid I took on the fourwheeler? I am doing basically the same thing as I did with the fourwheeler except parking in the culdesac that ends about 100ft from where I hopped on the trail, I got to track the rest of the way to the pond..

[riverwalklandscaping]

all I ever wear is flip flops, what's wrong with flip flops

[Junior M]

all I ever wear is flip flops, what's wrong with flip flops
You got to be kidding me right? ;) :laugh:

[ksss]

all I ever wear is flip flops, what's wrong with flip flops


Nothing testosterone shots cant cure.:clapping:



Disclaimer: Just having some fun, no personal offense intended or implied.

[CAT powered]

Something tells me that your flip flops aren't quite OSHA approved...

[Junior M]

Something tells me that your flip flops aren't quite OSHA approved...
I can see it now, Chris invents the steel toed flip flop! :cool2: :laugh:

[Lakewlc]

Thats a big negative Ross, keep your BS in the max out the hits thread, dont bring it in here, please?

And its our trailer, his pickup..

well its only the truth.

[Junior M]

well its only the truth.
No, its not. You know nothing of how our business operates, who owns it, who does what, dont assume..

[Bleed Green]

did you get a new job Jr.? It says in your sig that you are soon to be a Blaney fire dept. explorer

[Junior M]

did you get a new job Jr.? It says in your sig that you are soon to be a Blaney fire dept. explorer
I am on my way to becoming a Volunteer Firefighter! :cool2:

An explorer is basically a jr. FireFighter..

[riverwalklandscaping]

well see since I am Superman I don't need to worry about things landing on my feet when I don't have boots on, anyways if something is going to fall on my feet I zap it with my laser vision before it can hurt my toes

[Lakewlc]

hey riverwalk, are you formilar with the Bethel/Randolph VT area?

[Bleed Green]

what kinds of things do you have to do to become a volunteer firefighter. I have thought that would be a neat job, being a firefighter that is.

[Junior M]

what kinds of things do you have to do to become a volunteer firefighter. I have thought that would be a neat job, being a firefighter that is.
For actual volunteers you go through a 6month probation where you must get all your certs for like driving apparatus with air brakes, running the pump, and all that good stuff. But for an Explorer like me, really, nothing, I learn on the job and then learn at the station and from what I understand from some friends you also take classes to get your major certifications.

Just remember this is different between every station..

[riverwalklandscaping]

hey riverwalk, are you formilar with the Bethel/Randolph VT area?

only the interstate that drives through there.. not much to be familiar with down there lol

[oakhillslandscaping]

hey riverwalk, are you formilar with the Bethel/Randolph VT area?


not to jump in but i went to school in randolph if your lookin for a certain place

[Lakewlc]

only the interstate that drives through there.. not much to be familiar with down there lol

Yeah, 89. We also have family up in St. Albens

not to jump in but i went to school in randolph if your lookin for a certain place

ha, small world. we have a vacation house in Bethel (which is right next to Randolph). i just wanted to know if anyone was formilar w/ the area. Bethel is really small i think the population is under 1000

[Junior M]

Yeah, 89. We also have family up in St. Albens



ha, small world. we have a vacation house in Bethel (which is right next to Randolph). i just wanted to know if anyone was formilar w/ the area. Bethel is really small i think the population is under 1000
Thanks for highjacking my thread Ross! :waving: :laugh:

[riverwalklandscaping]

you ever cut the leaner?

[Junior M]

It will be cut first thing tomorrow morning, Dad is in charge of it, he plans on cutting it just the way FYS said, except he insists on notching it on the bottom, but just a little bit and then starting a cut down on the top and then wedging it on down, he's had a run in with a chainsaw and loaded trees before, so I am goin to let him handle it..

[Junior M]

I am off to start work on the pond.. :cool2:

Yeah, I know its late! I'd like to sleep in once and a while, and I am not getting paid on this one, so why not sleep in? Btw, I got an almost new 430 for this job. I am not sure if I should cry or be happy? But the thumb does fold all the way up.. :cool2:

[YellowDogSVC]

get some pictures of the 430 and post another review and don't get stuck!

[Dirtman2007]

Come on junior you should have been up with the sun... I'm dissapointed in you.

Now post some pics!

[YellowDogSVC]

dirtman, I feel for Junior. I like to get up late on the weekends. I made it to 8 am today before heading out to do post holes.

[FYS777]

I won't to see video, I bet he notched to much on bottom and got saw stuck, hopefully I wont say told ya.:laugh::laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

dirtman, I feel for Junior. I like to get up late on the weekends. I made it to 8 am today before heading out to do post holes.

don't worry I didn't get to work until 9am this morning too:laugh:

friday night and:drinkup: those will get ya lol

[Junior M]

don't worry I didn't get to work until 9am this morning too:laugh:

friday night and:drinkup: those will get ya lol
Nope, thats not what happened, I just overslept my normal, I am usually up at 6 or 6:30, this time I slept till 7:45, I was up and loaded by 8:15, it was Dad I was waiting on, then the guy helping me..

And no, there was no notching, I wasnt even to the corner of the dam yet when Dad already had the tree in the pond.. :realmad: So no vid on that, but he did get the saw stuck, when he cut down so far the stump came up and the top came down and pinched the saw(he cut it just like you said to FYS)

But the bad news, some things went down, no one got hurt and I dont want to post any pics because they could be used against us if it goes as far as court. So no pics as of now, if nothing happens while I am cleaning up tomorrow, then I might, who knows, just have to find out..

As far as a review for the 430, power was better, tracking didnt have an issue like before(it was balls to the wall fast or nothing) but the controls are still screwy, its only got 225.2 hours when I parked it tonight. And its still a bouncy ass zts, I'll take a 335 any day, but not the one we rent thats a whole nother story, but a 335. But it did the job, thats all that matters.. Oh yeah, the thumb fits! :cool2: It folds all the way up against the boom, doesnt get in the way when stretched all the way out. Its nice..

[Junior M]

Come on junior you should have been up with the sun... I'm dissapointed in you.

Now post some pics!
Dam, I was still working when you posted this.. :dizzy: But we had all the big trees out before noon and didnt get on a roll until 9, we knocked it out quick, but what happened shut us down for over 2hours.. :realmad: But I still got a good bit cleaned up before I gave out..

[Dirtman2007]

Nope, thats not what happened, I just overslept my normal, I am usually up at 6 or 6:30, this time I slept till 7:45, I was up and loaded by 8:15, it was Dad I was waiting on, then the guy helping me..

And no, there was no notching, I wasnt even to the corner of the dam yet when Dad already had the tree in the pond.. :realmad: So no vid on that, but he did get the saw stuck, when he cut down so far the stump came up and the top came down and pinched the saw(he cut it just like you said to FYS)

But the bad news, some things went down, no one got hurt and I dont want to post any pics because they could be used against us if it goes as far as court. So no pics as of now, if nothing happens while I am cleaning up tomorrow, then I might, who knows, just have to find out..

As far as a review for the 430, power was better, tracking didnt have an issue like before(it was balls to the wall fast or nothing) but the controls are still screwy, its only got 225.2 hours when I parked it tonight. And its still a bouncy ass zts, I'll take a 335 any day, but not the one we rent thats a whole nother story, but a 335. But it did the job, thats all that matters.. Oh yeah, the thumb fits! :cool2: It folds all the way up against the boom, doesnt get in the way when stretched all the way out. Its nice..

so what the hell did you manage to do now junior?! I thought this was a simple job.... whats going to happen when you get into the real world:dizzy:

[jg244888]

what happened??????

[Junior M]

so what the hell did you manage to do now junior?! I thought this was a simple job.... whats going to happen when you get into the real world:dizzy:
It was/is until an ass hole and snitch got involved. And I/we didnt do a dam thing wrong, Elgin's finest can vouch for that. Its just that some people are, well, I am not sure what to say, idiots?

and PM me, same with you jg...

[jg244888]

snitches are the worst had a neighbour that reported everything. you feel like you cant do nothing!!!!!!! sent you a pm

[Junior M]

snitches are the worst had a neighbour that reported everything. you feel like you cant do nothing!!!!!!! sent you a pm
replied and he isnt only a snitch, but a suckin up lil b@stard that thinks he might get something from him, everyone is like that to him.. I cant stand it, I've never liked the guy..

[Bleed Green]

guess you cant say what happened. cause u have me intrigued now LOL

[Junior M]

guess you cant say what happened. cause u have me intrigued now LOL
:confused:

And pm me if you want the low down..

[YellowDogSVC]

don't worry I didn't get to work until 9am this morning too:laugh:

friday night and:drinkup: those will get ya lol

Do you work every weekend? I find it hard to work on weekends unless I'm doing bids or repairs. I love to spend time with the girls and work on the ranch though the work part has been further from my priorities lately! time for an excavator to play with.

[Dirtman2007]

Do you work every weekend? I find it hard to work on weekends unless I'm doing bids or repairs. I love to spend time with the girls and work on the ranch though the work part has been further from my priorities lately! time for an excavator to play with.

I like to work 6 days a week. NO sundays, that's my time so negative on the workie. If needed it's double time. I work from 7am - 4 during the summer when I'm full and not going to school too. That leaves a good 4 hrs of daylight to chill after work and do stuff. I don't need much free time or I tend to get into trouble. It's really easy to around here lol
plus I really like my job :drinkup:

[Junior M]

I like to work 6 days a week. NO sundays, that's my time so negative on the workie. If needed it's double time. I work from 7am - 4 during the summer when I'm full and not going to school too. That leaves a good 4 hrs of daylight to chill after work and do stuff. I don't need much free time or I tend to get into trouble. It's really easy to around here lol
plus I really like my job :drinkup:
thats exactly my concept, I was the only one that worked today, Dad followed me around and watched me for a little while cause he had nothing to do, but I was working all day, just turned on my tunes and rolled it out, it was a pain with no saw man, so I was pushing 50ft+ trees in to the woods, but it was fun none the less. The Bible says to do what you enjoy on Sunday and thats what I did..