so you want to start composting???

[treegal1]

so you want to start composting??

how much do you want to compost, or how much compost do you need??? well the answer to that question when i ask was 7500 yards or 4000 tons. we thats just fine and great lets do it was the reply that I gave !!!!

step 1 the site, nice area with a close to the source local, zoned for the purpose intended.

step 2 permits and legal issues, and we are done with that( it is also not the topic I want to show, get a lawyer to help you with that trust me!!!)

step 3 source the materials, and equipment to meet your needs. this is a key factor in your success

step 4 have a plan, and the science to pull it off, if your unsure about what your doing hire some one to help you do it the correct way. this alone will save you tens of thousands of dollars in the long run......

ok so now to the fun part, step 5 putting it all together, this is the most fun of all, so here we go.................you want to make some compost, well lets get started

first pic is the site, here also the plant..... in plan form....

[treegal1]

now some pics to make ya drool.......

[treegal1]

now we start to work it.....

[treegal1]

we have only just begun to to put this together, so more pics as we progress, and don't hesitate to ask. i know its coming........

and the back ground track for this post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scr7Y1ZPAfM

[bicmudpuppy]

Wow, and WOW, and WWOOWW!

And all I really want to do is not waste what I have and maybe brew a little CT.

[treegal1]

this is a commercial operation to serve several smaller applicators/ consumers and also a few more large use customers like a city or new GC. it is going to be fun!!!

it is totally scalable in size and design(if you know what your doing and don't F it up) there is a larger one in the works for next year, 28000yds, on concrete. but that is next year. in the mean time i am going to do a smaller scale just to show that one off to the smaller guys that want to,And all I really want to do is not waste what I have and maybe brew a little CT. and be able to do just that. compost is king!!!!!

I will ask the proprietor to start posting soon, but he is a man of few words.....

[Kiril]

Nice op TG! Where are you getting your source material from? Looks like some stable bedding, green waste ....?

Those trees you planted are all white with no branches .... did you whitewash them. :laugh: ;)

[treegal1]

we are getting sourced materials from all over, about 80 % aged:laugh: green waste. the rest is all sorts of manure and some bio-solids, so far only 20 tons dry, to add to the mix, it all gets a special ACT added at the final blend cycle and we have been sourcing many other smaller amendments. some native lime stone in small doses. but its an up hill battle with transport and tests are the final word. it has to be up to spec before it goes...

[DUSTYCEDAR]

Wow nice mess clean it up some :)

[TF PLUS]

we have only just begun to to put this together, so more pics as we progress, and don't hesitate to ask. i know its coming........

and the back ground track for this post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scr7Y1ZPAfM

Good sound, I like it.

That dude means business, "DON'T MESS WITH MY ROWS"

Where's the guard dog?

[treegal1]

I thought it was watching your brewer,LOLOL

hey can you post a pic the chobe??? if not i can......

[TF PLUS]

I thought it was watching your brewer,LOLOL

hey can you post a pic the chobe??? if not i can......

Please post pic of Chobee the new and improved S-ACT Brewer built by....

[treegal1]

ok so first is TF's brewer that we put together for him. and then there is the guard dog, WOOF WOOF!! hanging out on some organic turf!!!

[TF PLUS]

Treegal, Thanks for posting them.:usflag:

[treegal1]

no problem, I knew that this thread would take a few turns, but that's all part of it i guess. I bet you did not think you would have it so together so soon. compost to the ends of the earth, ACT brewer, eco lawn. now i just got to get you set up with your own worms and your in the game to win!!

[TF PLUS]

At first no, but with the help of Organic Lawn Care-Lawnsite it became possible faster and in the correct direction. Using Step four pulled it together, hands on and building a united front relationship.

A storage Unit just opened up next to where the brewer is located so.... a possible location for a worm bin!!!!

[1wezil]

:waving: :rolleyes: :waving:

[White Gardens]

Treegal, did you have any problems with the EPA??

I almost became partners in an op, but we soon found out that we had to set it up like a garbage pit, including retention ponds and the such. Way too much money to invest by the time it was operational.

The only other operation for recycling garden type material is in Champaign, and of course, it's on a section of a landfill site.

Funny thing is though, you can do a wood recycling center on just about any property.

[TF PLUS]

now we start to work it.....

Treegal and Phill,

In post # 3: Can You please detail what you mean: "Now we start to work it..."
(The purpose for doing details)

Example, I see a rainbow in one image, so does that mean that there is gold around?

I'm off to labor now, check back later.

[treegal1]

I see a rainbow in one image, so does that mean that there is gold around?yes black gold!!!!

all that means was that was the start of what we where doing...

let them watch the film first then tell them the ending????

white gardens, the EPA and other legal issues are really not the topic, but yes its a PITA to do, PM me if you like.......

[DUSTYCEDAR]

They all want you to recycle but not in my back yard

[Prolawnservice]

ok so first is TF's brewer that we put together for him. and then there is the guard dog, WOOF WOOF!! hanging out on some organic turf!!!

Thought you said the short tank didn't work????

[treegal1]

Thought you said the short tank didn't work????
if you look close it is almost a foot taller and the cone is lower, that and some new diffuser materials....

it is the last of the one piece units we will ever build. the clear tanks are cost prohibitive, so we have just finished a 4 piece tank mold that will be UPS shippable. that one will stand 5 feet tall from floor to rim......

[treegal1]

Thought you said the short tank didn't work????
Tell ya what if you ever want to trade the tank I sold you for another in the future i would love to have my first tank i built back. maybe when we get under way with the 4 piece tanks you want to try one???

[treegal1]

this is more or less what the new tanks will look like, well one piece/section any ways.

its not to scale in the pic.............

[DUSTYCEDAR]

Great idea on the cut and paste idea

[Prolawnservice]

It looked like you may have added some to it, but it was hard to tell in that picture, it still looks short to me, compared to the 2 1/2 sitting on the floor.

[FOL]

I cant wait to get my hands on one. They are sweet.:cool2::cool2::cool2:

[treegal1]

It looked like you may have added some to it, but it was hard to tell in that picture, it still looks short to me, compared to the 2 1/2 sitting on the floor.it is short still.........

[TF PLUS]

Thought you said the short tank didn't work????
Hello Prolawnsvc,

Can you explain what you mean and why, (Short tank is to vague) There are solutions to most everything. So please fill me in. I will post next week or two some pics of brewing action. Brewing in it currently is pre-made tea from jug that was fed to see what goes. (For me to keep it simple, white foam developed overnight [LOL:nono:]) With the improvements made all ready it has always (to KIS) developed foam overnight. With fresh vermicompost action is outstanding.
I will be getting training :weightlifter: on the use of microscope, O reading and tea brewing. For now I must move forward, this is the right thing to do. Work with step four and develop trust :).

[TF PLUS]

now we start to work it.....
Treegal,
If you have time can you give some detail on the purpose of the spraying in the pics.

[treegal1]

well......... it was discussed just a short time ago that the needed air to water, was .08 CFM to the gallon, but enter time and water chemistry and temperature. was it wallzwalls that ask?? seems that in the hotter temps it takes more air to work out the DO2 being well dissolved in the water........... now back some ways, to my first brewer, a nice standard name brand 50 g that i bought for about 1.5X what my brewer cost.... and it was fine in march but come aug it was no O city!!! so I started working from the bottom up with my design. ( you guys are makin me hang it out there but WTF its going to get good) I had a DO2 meter from back in the day( it was junk i found out) and started working with how to get the dirt from the dirt with out the inert material, good soil background as I have come from an ag family:waving: my ideals of organics where just plain nutrients, NOT a fad that makes money or a recycling stand point. that was just plain and simple economics of a larger tree service. so back to the story, i messed with several tanks and did some reading and gleaned info from all sorts of sources, just to find the correct path to take with a brewer. the cone has stuck out from the start. next was size. with a c200 you can with some good luck spray about 25 acres a day, that IMO is about 125 gallons of tea, so if you start a batch on sat night then its ready for mon, 1/2 then tue1/2 re brew and start over, thur fri, clean, start again...... that and the size to $ of tanks. then early on i realized I hate poly tanks, sold all those or re used them. then came a idea to make a mold, big tall one with a giant stance, that mold cost me about 1500$ to make, the brewer pro lawn has is one of only two brewers that made it off that mold before it broke.:cry: so then we had the bright idea to use a core cell mold that was embedded into the fiberglass, only 3 made it out of "production" with that method, 3 sold no issues( maybe they will chime in) the 4th the one TF has was supposed to be the one pro had......but hand laid fiberglass is a dirty beast. and he was down from the garden state, so I gave him #2L instead of #4V2.0 ( pro like i said if you want a trade) so now after a few fiberglass tanks I am on another direction. so far I have yet (I think) had a brewer flop in over all performance. service, design, size, transport. thats what we are working out now, but still for the money a good deal i think.......

bottom line a mid sized not to short not to tall tank...............

[treegal1]

Treegal,
If you have time can you give some detail on the purpose of the spraying in the pics.
I am going to do this one goofy

need more herd!!!

[treegal1]

well......... it was discussed just a short time ago that the needed air to water, was .08 CFM to the gallon, but enter time and water chemistry and temperature. was it wallzwalls that ask?? seems that in the hotter temps it takes more air to work out the DO2 being well dissolved in the water........... now back some ways, to my first brewer, a nice standard name brand 50 g that i bought for about 1.5X what my brewer cost.... and it was fine in march but come aug it was no O city!!! so I started working from the bottom up with my design. ( you guys are makin me hang it out there but WTF its going to get good) I had a DO2 meter from back in the day( it was junk i found out) and started working with how to get the dirt from the dirt with out the inert material, good soil background as I have come from an ag family:waving: my ideals of organics where just plain nutrients, NOT a fad that makes money or a recycling stand point. that was just plain and simple economics of a larger tree service. so back to the story, i messed with several tanks and did some reading and gleaned info from all sorts of sources, just to find the correct path to take with a brewer. the cone has stuck out from the start. next was size. with a c200 you can with some good luck spray about 25 acres a day, that IMO is about 125 gallons of tea, so if you start a batch on sat night then its ready for mon, 1/2 then tue1/2 re brew and start over, thur fri, clean, start again...... that and the size to $ of tanks. then early on i realized I hate poly tanks, sold all those or re used them. then came a idea to make a mold, big tall one with a giant stance, that mold cost me about 1500$ to make, the brewer pro lawn has is one of only two brewers that made it off that mold before it broke.:cry: so then we had the bright idea to use a core cell mold that was embedded into the fiberglass, only 3 made it out of "production" with that method, 3 sold no issues( maybe they will chime in) the 4th the one TF has was supposed to be the one pro had......but hand laid fiberglass is a dirty beast. and he was down from the garden state, so I gave him #2L instead of #4V2.0 ( pro like i said if you want a trade) so now after a few fiberglass tanks I am on another direction. so far I have yet (I think) had a brewer flop in over all performance. service, design, size, transport. thats what we are working out now, but still for the money a good deal i think.......

bottom line a mid sized not to short not to tall tank...............
WE are not gods or the second coming to organics, far from it, we are good at what we do with in limits, under funded, over worked, farmers that need to eat same as everyone else. and that is the number one thing I try and attack with the elitist I need 250K to get started into organics, franchise my rosy white azz ..l..

my brewers are far from perfect, but for now they work great, the theory is there, and with the new to be completed molds, really easy to ship and there for warranting some solid 3rd party tests to substantiate my results.

[TF PLUS]

I am going to do this one goofy

need more herd!!!

Flamingo Pink Micro Herd got it, thanks.

[TF PLUS]

Tree, thanks for getting me up to speed on Post #34

[treegal1]

you want to know what makes me different than others, I want to share. and the other reason I am successful is I DO it. the last reason is that i get out there and do it. maybe later or another day you can tell about how we just got out there on Monday, and did it!!! and IMO failed!!!! tell them about how we failed that's what they want to hear, toot my own horn is not going to help show the FAILURE, for lack of a better word....................

[Smallaxe]

you want to know what makes me different than others, I want to share. and the other reason I am successful is I DO it. the last reason is that i get out there and do it. maybe later or another day you can tell about how we just got out there on Monday, and did it!!! and IMO failed!!!! tell them about how we failed that's what they want to hear, toot my own horn is not going to help show the FAILURE, for lack of a better word....................

What do you mean, when you say - Do it? And when you say - Failure. What is that all about? :)

[pt03]

I got into active mid scale composting by accident but am having a ball now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/laj2006/sets/72157606277460902/show/


I am not going to purchase specialized equipment so everything I do has the caveat that it must fit with what I already have equipment wise or what I could build at not too much cost. Building stuff is also fun!

Lots of trial and error to get something to match up with what I have and the time I have to do it in.

Lloyd:canadaflag:

[treegal1]

I was hoping that you would find your way over Lloyd, I dig your ideas.....

Axe I will have the Fail-E chime in when he gets a chance, and tell why it was a failing grade IMO
What do you mean, when you say - Do it? And when you say - Failure. What is that all about?

[pt03]

I drooled at your pictures of the loader and screener but I realize that those items are waaaayyy out of my league.

Heavy sigh, I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

We are building a larger screener to screen the windrows, too many larger items for my bitty trommel.

Lloyd

[treegal1]

eh we started of with a wheelbarrow and a chicken wire screen. and any ways it takes more stones to do it the way you and myself started, small and WAY under budget.

I will post some pics of my smaller screen soon so that the DIY tribes can see

[pt03]

You have a budget?!?

:dizzy:

I don't know about stones, in my case it might just be a lack of smarts!:confused:

Lloyd

[Barefoot James]

Thanks tree and King