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JoeyD
03-04-2009, 07:33 PM
Why do we need LITE Certification?

Because guys are doing things like this........................
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/NicePlugJob.jpg

Check out www.TheLITEProgram.com for more information on LITE!!

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
03-05-2009, 10:59 AM
Now that made me laugh out loud. :)

Thanks for the morning pick me up Joey.

JoeyD
03-05-2009, 11:28 AM
Just trying to liven it up a bit!!! LOL

LiteEmUp
03-05-2009, 02:37 PM
True story from yesterday....Another contractor is telling me how he really likes the MR16 lens clip because he never wants to have to go through what he used to....

Apparently he found it very difficult to install blue lenses into his fixtures...

You see, this guy who knows everything about lighting and doesnt need to be trained or educated was apparently removing the glass lens from MR16 lamps and installing blue lenses in their place with silicone....

as serious as one can be he says to me "thats a lot of work"....

the only response i could come up with in his presence was "You don't say."

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: i think this was in Obama's stimulus package if i remember correctly.

JoeyD
03-05-2009, 02:39 PM
HAHAHAH........OMG..........That would be a crazy amount of work.........wow! LOL

JoeyD
03-10-2009, 12:58 PM
TTT.............get involved in LITE!!!

Lite4
03-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Hey Joey,
We are wanting to get signed up here so get us on the signup sheet. I talked to Mike about it but can you get us fast tracked for the certs? Are you going to do a local class or do I need to commute? I am meeting with Mike on Thursday. I don't know if you can get the forms to him in time to give them to me.

JoeyD
03-10-2009, 07:37 PM
He has them and I emailed them to you already. All the forms you need are also on TheLITEProgram.com!!! Youw ill probably just get started with the CLLI (Certified Landscape Lighting Installer) certification. Mike will be teaching those remotley withing 30-60 days!! Thanks for your support Tim!! Glad you are doing well in your new venture!

Lite4
03-10-2009, 07:41 PM
Thanks Joey, I will look for them. How many levels of cert are there and what does it cost?

JoeyD
03-10-2009, 07:48 PM
3 Levels of Certification. You can go for any certification at any time. You do not need to do one before the other but the CALLD is all certs into one!

CLLI Info
http://www.theliteprogram.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58

CLLD Info
http://www.theliteprogram.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59

CALLD Info
http://www.theliteprogram.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60

Fees and Training Dates
http://www.theliteprogram.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57

There will also be Certification Modules that will be offered by participating manufacturers for UPB/Automation, Lamps, Connections and wire, Photography, Fiber Optics, etc....
Those modules will be offered via internet webinar or webcast sometime this year.

Lite4
03-10-2009, 08:08 PM
Perfect, Joey just wondering. How does Unique or Uniques design division aquire design work and how does it market in d.ifferent cities for work? I am just wondering about the approved bidders list. How will you aquire design work in my area for me to bid on for example? just curious? I know there is a ton of commercial work being done in Indy right now, just wondering how you get your foot in the door here?

Eden Lights
03-10-2009, 11:00 PM
Right or wrong your local BK, Lumiere, Kim, Hydrel reps have all the commerical work. Its a very un-rewarding, but high paying niche. A handful of reps in your area hold the keys to most all of the commercial work. The last job we did had the worst design by someone that had a catalog and cad on their computer as their skillset. Then union electricians tried to stop me from working by asking for my union card. The problem was they had to card everybody at that point, not just me. Shut the whole project down for the day.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
03-10-2009, 11:27 PM
That is a pretty broad sweeping generalization that I don't agree with. Sure the local agencies and to some degree the Reps have strong networks and inroads into the design/build architecture and construction outfits, but that doesnt mean that you cannot succeed in amassing a good, strong commercial lighting design business. Good design, strong product and application knowledge, and a willingness to work alongside compliementary design professionals & trades can go a long way to securing lots of commercial lighting work. Oh, and by the way, I find it very rewarding.

Don't let anyone tell you it isnt possible, train up, read up, and apply yourself.

Just Do It.

NiteTymeIlluminations
03-11-2009, 09:28 AM
I have to agree with James on this, dern it, just kidding, but you can make inroads into commercial work for sure. But, it takes some work, and James will probably have to agree with me on that, sorry James, lol...

It's so different in every market though, sometimes the reps are heavily involved, sometimes the arch firm doesnt have good relationships with the reps so feel the architects out then just ask questions and talk with people. The rep firms should know you though as a colleage not a competitor.

Most people on this forum have no problem typing so I'm sure many are good talkers...ask questions and keep track of everyone's names involved in a project(s). The most imprtant thing is to know who's making the decisions on what. Alot of time the owner is involved more than anyone even thinks. Those are the good jobs we have a good chance with. A hotel is being built, someone usually owns that hotel.

Sorry for contributing to thread jack.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
03-11-2009, 10:15 AM
I have to agree with James on this, dern it, just kidding, but you can make inroads into commercial work for sure. But, it takes some work, and James will probably have to agree with me on that, sorry James, lol...

Yes he is right, it does take some work. But then, what doesn't take some work to make sucessful? I just assume that we all have worked very hard at building our businesses to the point where they are now. If you are a stranger to hard work, then this biz is probably not up your alley.

Regards.

JoeyD
03-11-2009, 10:41 AM
Perfect, Joey just wondering. How does Unique or Uniques design division acquire design work and how does it market in d.different cities for work? I am just wondering about the approved bidders list. How will you acquire design work in my area for me to bid on for example? just curious? I know there is a ton of commercial work being done in Indy right now, just wondering how you get your foot in the door here?

Unique is actively pursuing architect and designer spec. Mike Myers for example is calling on Architects and designers as much as he is calling on distributors or contractors. So Mike Myers/our reps issue the offer to these design professionals to utilize our SDSP design program or at minimum is explaining the LITE program to them. Either way the goal is to have these professionals who are designing our systems on a daily basis to write into the spec that the installer MUST be LITE certified. This will help us in preventing what has happened in the past which is we do or help with this unbelievable design only to have the project rewarded to the lowest bid. This guy then hacks in some system not as intended and to cut even more $$ he switches all the products to whatever he prefers to use.

This spec locker not only helps us ensure the time we spend on helping create a design but also the job the designer intended goes in as it was designed on plan.

But remember Tim, its not just architects and designers who will be referring to the LITE program list of certified contractors. We will also be referring all homeowners as well as all General Contractors to this list. Over time this list should develop into a really good resource to find qualified installers.

Now for you guys who don't use Unique and don't intend too on your every day projects this program can benefit you as well. I am sure that if a job is designed all Unique and is handed to you for bid you would love to do the job so this is a good reason to get involved to atleast have a shot at installing these jobs. You too can be LITE certified so you can have the opportunity to bid on these projects done through SDSP and our design partners. Doesnt mean you have to be loyal to Unique, GE, USHIO, or any of our other LITE partners it just means that should you have the opportunity to bid on a 24v system designed by us or an architect that you have the knowledge to bid and install it. Bottom line is this program is just more education for you with the potential to gain work!!!!

Eden Lights
03-11-2009, 06:28 PM
All excellent points and understood. Here all the good commerical work goes to independant reps first, which spec the product and then out for bids. Very profitable work, but if you try to change the eco-system its like beating your head on the wall. Example, IESNA FC standards for commerical properties trump good design due to liability issues every time. Last year I was offered a job to install a truck load of bega leds as up lights, but the area was flooded with post mounted hid's.........I proposed some alternatives and someone else got the 600 per fixture install, you can't even tell there on. What a waste, but to each his own. Also if your not a EC, your out of luck.

Mr. Quik electric
03-11-2009, 11:41 PM
Good info thanks guys. I am just looking to add a commercial factor to the residential side. As far as EC's, I got that covered completely inhouse now.

JoeyD
03-12-2009, 11:27 AM
Mr. Quick Electric!!! Welcome to the site. We once knew another Tim Ryan. Nice guy!!!






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